CATL's condensed battery will have aircraft 1800 miles of range

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CATL's condensed battery will have aircraft 1800 miles of range
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@hankborcherdt311 2 күн бұрын

i hate the lack of proper specs eg 1800 miles of range means absolutely nothing what we want is the energy density we want wh/l & wh/kg at pack, life cycle and charging rate e.g 6c

@archiebunker5256 2 күн бұрын

I've read 500Wh/Kg. Hope that answers your question.

@zes7215 2 күн бұрын

@glike2 2 күн бұрын

Physics not Magic determine range based on the electric breguet range equation and realistic inputs, 500wh/kg gives 1000km range with a super efficient aircraft design. 20 years of Aeronautical Engineering experience makes me far more qualified than Sam. Where did he get 2000km?

@Omegacrafton 2 күн бұрын

Go and invent it 😂😂

@eish3291 2 күн бұрын

We need to know how much thrust a jet engine that,s not burning jet fuel produces just by spinning on battery power.

@Devo491 2 күн бұрын

Another game-changing battery development? But we have at least one of these miraculous batteries popping up every week.. Wake me when it happens...

@ChickensAndGardening Күн бұрын

Okay, we will, Mr. Toyoda.

@landcruiser801 Күн бұрын

@@ChickensAndGardening He has a point does he not? There are loads of companies claiming this and that for their battery. In the Uk there one even got on the main news as it was like wow look this, this battery can charge to 80% in 5 minutes... but then it only did 120 miles i.e. it was useless. TEsla have been trying to deliver on the 4680 for years. Amprius was hailed for a year or more ago by MUnro... now suck without much trace. So like the guy said... wait unti someone can actually mass produce one. BUt like he said, they will just put smaller batteries in and range will still be shit as Elon said we dont need more than 250 miles.... great.

@MrPropanePete Күн бұрын

@@landcruiser801 These battery companies talk nonsense most of the time to raise investment capital. Are EV batteries improving, yes, but only fractions of a percent each generation. Show me a brand new EV currently on the road that can charge from 10% to 100% in 5 minutes and get 1000 km range. There aren't any. There might be in 15 years or so but by then we will have probably had WW3 with the Chinese and we'll be riding bicycles.

@tsamuel6224 Күн бұрын

@@landcruiser801 Sometimes Elon is an A-hole. A 16 gal tank with 30 mi/gal mileage = 480miles per fill up for gas, so a competitive EV has a range of 480miles per charge. It is that simple. And 30 mi/gal mileage is a pretty large SUV, where it might have a 21 gal tank. To escape driving in heavy snow snowbirds drive from Michigan to Florida every year on one tank, a 2 liter bottle of pop and one bucket of KFC. A car that does 250 miles is plenty for those poor folk with cheap private jets..... Oh, wait......

@davdep 20 сағат бұрын

But what don't you understand about how technology is changing all of the time?? with time you will see these batteries in all cars and in years to come you will look back and say "oh i was wrong about Ev's"!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂

@DarylOster 2 күн бұрын

Congratulations Sam ! Thanks for finally putting proper units (Wh/kg) on energy density!!!!

@UKenGB 2 күн бұрын

Yes I noticed that. But he then went on to say that the same kWhs of battery would give this increase range, so he's still not completely there.😐

@Holiman1989able 2 күн бұрын

Because of the weight reduction.

@DarylOster Күн бұрын

Good to see that Sam actually caught his own error of saying Watts per Kg (power density), and correcting to Watt*hours (energy density). We are finally getting through to him after a couple years of nagging...

@simon6071 Күн бұрын

The shortest distance (air line) between Shanghai and Los-Angeles is 6,484mi. CATL's condensed battery will have aircraft 1800 miles of range. So a transpacific electric airliner will need to recharge three times over the ocean. Stupid idea.

@tvl6347 Күн бұрын

@@simon6071it's a small airplane. Wait when a larger airplane in a size of 737 with a big battery is built

@deanmcmanis9398 2 күн бұрын

This is an impressive achievement! But in the same way that solid state batteries don't really talk about cost, the fact that CATL has targeted this battery towards airplanes points to the likelihood that it costs more than twice as much as conventional batteries. Rather than focusing on aviation, or building EVs that go thousands of miles on a charge, this new battery could be combined in a hybrid battery pack. Say with 20% condensed batteries, and 80% sodium ion batteries. So it would be able to drive 100 miles on the mini pack, and 250 more miles with the cheaper sodium batteries (for those rare times when that is needed). But with a smaller, lighter battery pack overall, at a comparable cost.

@chillfluencer 2 күн бұрын

...yeah...because the tech is new. Also CATL and BYD will now halve the prices of their other batteries end of July/beginning of August.

@daveyshmavey Күн бұрын

Aerospace and defense are getting the highest density batteries. Amprius’ silicon anode battery is over 500 wh /kg, but is reserved for defense mostly. They are building a large plant in Brighton Colorado right now.

@Userkzb20253 2 күн бұрын

If the skin were solar cells, the plane could recharge itself while flying instead of consumption of fuels and ejecting pollutions. This is the way to go. However, jet fuel is ~ 40 MJ/kg, the best EV battery is barely 1/100 of that. Even solid state battery is less than 2MJ/kg. It’s still a long way to go to shred the extra weight.

@matthewbrown435 Күн бұрын

Good points 👍 although when you factor in the overall efficiency of a jet engine for example, it's approx 20-40% depending on its type so that brings the numbers a bit closer together, still a long way to go though 😬

@ChickensAndGardening Күн бұрын

I doubt that limited area of solar cells on the wings, or even on every square centimeter of aircraft surface, could significantly affect the range.

@fernandopimentel5463 Күн бұрын

@@ChickensAndGardeningexactly, range wouldn't be affected at all whilst flying 😂😂😂

@ChickensAndGardening 22 сағат бұрын

@@fernandopimentel5463 Nor while parked.

@CrispinParker Күн бұрын

30 Kwh is 30 Kwh regardless of battery chemistry. It's the weight/size that improves.

@rozonoemi9374 2 күн бұрын

With the new US tarrif imposed on Chinese product, including batteries, North America will be losing this great advantage for there own automaker.

@RWBHere 13 сағат бұрын

If one of these batteries filled the volume of today's 30 kWh batteries, it would have more than 60 kWh, giving the car twice the range of the car on its original battery. Sam's Maths is (often) a bit suspect, as seen by him misquoting that statistic.

@ryanwc67 2 күн бұрын

Watt hrs wouldn't be reduced, the battery would still be 70 kwh but weigh less.

@johndavid9418 2 күн бұрын

I think it would make sense to cover the plane in solar cells, as planes spend 90% of their life outside & above the clouds.

@greggrant4614 2 күн бұрын

500 wh/kg of Energy Density (technically Specific Energy or Gravimetric Energy Density) is very significant if true. Sam - Thanks for noting that gravimetric Energy Density (vs. Power Density) is given in Watt-Hours per Kilogram (rather than Watts/Kilogram).

@dakrontu 2 күн бұрын

I notice that there is a ball-park figure for a typical EV (car not truck) of about 250 W h per mile. So an 80 kW h battery would give a range of 320 miles. It is a useful measure directly meaningful to humans considering buying an EV. Much the same as 30 mpg has been a useful nominal long-term standard relative to which to measure ICE vehicle performance. We can measure poor, average, and good, relative to those nominal standards. And I think that is what people generally do. But looking specifically at the batteries, 500 W h per kg is quite an achievement. If it becomes the standard for new vehicles in a few years time, the standard of 250 w h per mile may remain, but range will increase dramatically. And there we come to another standard that people use, namely range, where the standard would be, say, 300 miles, for want of a figure. So if people consider a range exceeding 300-400 miles not worth paying extra for, then battery weight per vehicle will start to fall as batteries improve, and the 250 W h per mile figure will drop a little.

@CrustyCrip Күн бұрын

Want to hear about the fire resistance of this battery. A battery fire in an aircraft is … undesirable!

@rickrimington2760 2 күн бұрын

Great Video thanks ! One thing Toney Seba said was that it takes around 9 years for new batteries to go from production concept to retail use . There is a lot of testing and production issues to be ironed out in that 9 years . in that 9 years the average price drop of lithium batteries is 16% a year and the average increase in energy density of a lithium battery is 4% a year . So whatever you have invented today has to be cheaper and better than lithium batteries will be in 9 years time. . This is why it is really hard to beat Lithium according to Tony Seba . The other area that Toney Seba said would already be handled by now is autonomous EV's . You would just be telling you EV to go pick up the kids from school and off would go the autonomous EV to do the task . However autonomous EV's are proving harder to develop than i think Toney Seba and anyone would have first thought. How does a autonomous EV read a construction sign detouring traffic ? Small issues like this are proving to be really difficult for regulators to approve.

@5nowChain5 2 күн бұрын

Not helped that detour signs are intended for ALL traffic, that's Semi's, so the detour is only for biggest, cars could have alternatives. but on smaller roads, leading to traffic congestion on other routes.

@DamirBrc Күн бұрын

16% price drop of LiIon batteries every year? Compare price of 18650 battery cells 3 years ago and now

@toriwatson9655 2 күн бұрын

Lighter energy dense battery packs like these and the very light powerful axial flux motors that we may start to see in EV's, this combination would be amazing. A lighter vehicle means more range and even higher power to weight performance. The future of EV's is very exciting.

@Reddylion 2 күн бұрын

True. Hindustan south.

@bigskygeneration4474 2 күн бұрын

Electric motor reliability? Should see some of the installations where I've seen electric motors operating. Chemical plants, refineries, pulp and paper mills, nasty environments.

@tedbearfudge 2 күн бұрын

Tried to get the cost of a VW i.d.3 replacement battery the other day. VW would not tell me. All they would say was that it would be under warranty and I would not need to pay if it needed replacing. What BS.

@JoeyBlogs007 2 күн бұрын

They have to prove them in vehicles first in terms of functionality and safety, before putting them in aircraft.

@dakrontu 2 күн бұрын

A problem with EVs is writing them off after a minor collision because of the risk that the battery pack has suffered damage, hence big rises in insurance costs from insurers becoming wise to the real costs for them. If battery packs go down in size, it will be possible to protect them better, such that collisions are less likely to risk damaging them. That will reduce insurance costs, car costs, and car weights.

@dclpgh 2 күн бұрын

Thats great. but im getting a little weary of these miracle battery that's just around the corner! stories.

@PyroShields 2 күн бұрын

LOL. They are spending billions in battery technology it's inevitable that the range will increase and the price will decrease.

@brucebennett5354 2 күн бұрын

Cannot wait until Tesla puts these batteries into my personal drone. Gives the term EV an entire new meaning. Who needs a car when I can avoid traffic congestion and tolls by flying to my destination in a drone?

@PyroShields 2 күн бұрын

@@brucebennett5354 You mean a flying car.

@timothykeith1367 2 күн бұрын

@@PyroShieldsLots of technology has been a dead-end.

@PyroShields 2 күн бұрын

@@timothykeith1367 Well clearly EV's are not.

@sonekulla Күн бұрын

Oops. Sam, 30kwh is 30kwh regardless of the energy density. Weight reduction is range positive, sure. But the example you used was mis-spoken in yiour first example of how this new tech will increase range. Some of your later examples got it right though, by comparing how much more energy would be available for range in the same *weight* battery at the higher power density. Might want to go back and re-edit some corrective text into the places where you mis-spoke.

@peteregan3862 Күн бұрын

We don't know the chemistry. The CATL image says 500 Wh/kg, high energy density and high safety. While fuel goes in the wings of ICE aircraft, batteries likely go in the fuselage of electric aircraft to reduce wing stress events on landing and allow a higher lift/drag ratio. Also, easier to drop a battery from the fuselage centreline in the event of a battery fire. While CATL says high safety, fire remains a possibility. We can assume a Lithium metal cathode, semi-solid state ('solid' separator resistant to dendrites??) and perhaps just 500 load cycles before the battery must be replaced. Surely a high nickel cathode - maybe NCA?? Take-off power may only be C/3 charge flow, and perhaps C/2 max recharge.

@waynefergusson9987 12 сағат бұрын

Seems that aircraft with large solar area is not often factored into range - above the clouds during the day where air density and drag is less greater distance is a given

@StephCno1961 Күн бұрын

4:08 - Here follows a comparison that is not absurd. It suffices to know that a "4680" Tesla battery back relies on cells that are storing 250 Wh/kg. It also suffices to know that CATL cells that are storing 500 Wh/kg will "soon" appear. Thus, in case you want to store 85 kWh for providing a 550 km WLTP range, the CATL cells make you spare 340 kg. But wait a moment. In case you want to only store 30 kWh for only providing a 150 km WLTP electric range, such "soon available" CATL cells make you spare 120 kg. It becomes advisable to equip the frunk with a modular electric generator that you rent out, that delivers 35 kW of electricity all the time you are long-distance towing on the freeway. The 30 kWh battery consists of two (left and right) cabinets, each 10 cm (thick) by 40 cm (width) by 100 cm (length) storing thus 375 Wh per liter at cabinet level. Considering a 50% volumetric efficiency at cabinet level, the bare cells must store at least 750 Wh per liter at cell level. Considering that a 180 kW peak (10 seconds) electric power may be asked by the driver, the cells are required to support a "6 C" peak (10 seconds) discharge rate. Given the 100 cm length of each of the two cabinets, the fuel tank takes place underneath the 2nd row seating. The exhaust line is channeled though the 30 cm space that is separating the two battery pack.

@adh1003 2 күн бұрын

4m10s ish - a 30kWh battery pack holds 30kWh of energy regardless of the technology used to store it. An EV using CATL's new battery tech would have better range than current tech if both have 30kWh batteries, but *only* because it's lighter. We cannot possibly say *what exactly* that would do for range because of all the other variables about efficiency and overall weight of the rest of the vehicle. It seems you accidentally confused density with capacity at that point in the video. There's no doubt, though, that of course almost anything north of 400Wh per kilo starts to get really exciting! At 500Wh per kilo for the new battery, it means a beefy 100kWh (100,000Wh) battery now only weighs 100,000/500 -> 200kg - pretty astonishing! As you do later point out, this gets us into territories where, in an EV vs ICE with similar range (the EV must have a huge capacity battery to match the ICE range), the EV might be no heavier (because that huge battery is also extremely energy dense).

@zeiar1987 Күн бұрын

Yeah Electric Viking got confused there. Better wh/kg means lighter battery with same capacity of energy. This extends range. Lighter car benefits also with smaller and lighter motors and brakes with car having same total performance but bigger range. Win win win...

@chasf3433 6 сағат бұрын

Sam confused yet again. 30kwh will give the same range whatever the density, the difference is these new batteries will give higher capacity e.g 50kwh in the same size box.

@AORD72 2 күн бұрын

OMG, does he finally understand the units!

@chasf3433 5 сағат бұрын

Thermal management in super fast charging such high density batteries in a car applications could be a real issue as already over heating is reportedly proving a problem with BYD blade batteries in the Seal

@debeeriz 2 күн бұрын

just found out that you can dotoo loo little mileage in an ev as well, porche 12v battery needs 500 miles a month use or they wont warranty it, cost of replacement about $3000

@tellyboy17 2 күн бұрын

No need to argue the benefits of high energy density batteries, those are pretty obvious. This would be a battery breakthrough though and the first rule of battery breakthroughs is: there are no battery breakthroughs.

@lrg3834 9 сағат бұрын

Never mind aviation. Let's just develop a high density battery that can't catch fire no matter what first. That folks, would be a game changer!

@5nowChain5 2 күн бұрын

Scaling up is the issue. Reworking the factories to make them is costly. Possibly cheaper to build a new factory in the short term and rework the existing factories once demand for those versions start to fall away.

@jantjarks7946 2 күн бұрын

That's the usual way to go anyway. Keep production up before switching to the new tech. Workers in the factory want to get paid too.

@steveclancy7832 2 күн бұрын

Ok now we need fit the plane with airless tyres HALLELUJAH the world is saved for the 57th time in last month And Sam goes and ruins it by saying these battery powered planes will never crash o.0 gimme a break

@mantobrew 2 күн бұрын

Again you get it wrong. a 30kwh battery will give the same range no matter how energy danse it is. get it right man. the more energy density means a bigger kwh battery can be used with less weight

@trevorkirkwood1612 Күн бұрын

Can you also add solar to the wings. Just a thought??

@beautifulgirl219 Күн бұрын

China is seeing the price of offshore wind power fall below that of coal-generated electricity “for the first time this year”, following the government’s approval of numerous renewable energy projects, says Bloomberg. Citing Chinese industry news outlet BJX News, the outlet says a “306-megawatt (MW) wind farm off Shanghai” has been officially approved to provide electricity at “27% below the coal power price benchmark”. The Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post covers new research finding that gas is unlikely to serve as a “transition fuel” in China, due to the “faster-than-expected progress and cost competitiveness” of renewable energy. BJX News reports that state-owned energy conglomerate China Energy Engineering Corporation is developing the world’s “largest new energy storage base”, with a capacity of 3060 MW. Climate newsletter Shuang Tan reports that a court in China recently “ruled in favour of climate activists in a lawsuit against a local coal power plant” on the basis of “ecological loss”, although it “did not support [a claim] regarding the damages caused by the coal power plant’s excess carbon emissions”.

@aftonline 2 күн бұрын

Edit the title. "...will GIVE aircraft 1800 miles of range" makes more sense.

@doylewillis9587 2 күн бұрын

It won't be a jet it will be just a prop plane it'll be rather slow people are not going to want to fly a prop plane across the across the country or across the pond😢

@jantjarks7946 2 күн бұрын

@@doylewillis9587Step by step.

@LelandPratt-nw9ix Күн бұрын

Very high energy density is potentially dangerous and needs a lot of testing, especially for aviation.

@philgooddr.7850 2 күн бұрын

The only commercial aviation current lithium battery certified and being homologated as safe to fly commercially is an armoured LFPO4 with only 70watt per kg of total weight. Nothing will fly very far on this…vague promises on performances have to be demonstrated first …weight & size vs capacity, durability, safety, efficiency, max. current, etc are compromises with each other for a particular duty, and overall global performance has to be demonstrated first in real life, since one announcement on one single parameters can make the buzz but not automatically a real new market for it..

@Reddylion 2 күн бұрын

It must come in cars now.

@PyroShields 2 күн бұрын

This is impressive but hopefully it will happen than just being something just drawn up.

@user-yi8uu1du3b 21 сағат бұрын

No Sam. a 30kw battery isn't going to go further with these batteries, unless the car is made entirely of carbon fibre, and runs aggressive regen. Less Wh per kg means a lighter car, like for like. Yea, Yea. It goes a smidgeon further because lighter, the efficiency of EVs is related to weight (among other factors) coupled with regen efficiency and how you use the brakes.

@markyormark7747 Күн бұрын

I would like to know what the "C" rating is per amp hour. Airplanes also need kW's or battery horsepower for the take offs.

@manuelferreira4622 21 сағат бұрын

Of course they will...

@latuya8388 2 күн бұрын

When will this technology be available?

@ISuperTed 2 күн бұрын

This charges everything

@JoeyBlogs007 2 күн бұрын

I thought it was already 500 Wh / kg. Now it's 400 ? Cracks already starting to appear in their claims ?

@RWBHere 13 сағат бұрын

Sam, let's wait to see what actually happens with these batteries. Most of the many amazing battery claims come to nothing.

@jonharper7930 2 күн бұрын

Hi Viking. Regarding $AMPX. You spoke of them last year. Stock is way way down. Are they going under? I now own the stock. Please share your opinion of $AMPX . Cheers.

@gmt198 2 күн бұрын

You replace kerosene with a battery, but what do you replace the jet engine with? Ducted fans are not the answer, plasma propulsion needs a lot more power.

@themogget8808 Күн бұрын

I hope condensed batteries are cheap to produce, so the CATL can make bank and expand. Regardless, their price will be dictated by the highest bidder, which will be aviation. Automotive batteries right now are dominated by price, not density. Recent advancements like LFP and Sodium Ion are actually lower density than NMC. Aviation will pay a premium for condensed performance and only supercars will afford these batteries in the short term. Will we see one battery to rule them all, or will batteries continue to specialize?

@williamwoo866 21 сағат бұрын

Wow

@stanmitchell3375 22 сағат бұрын

T P V cells can be used to extend range

@Michael-yi4mc Күн бұрын

Everyone also remembers when non combustible batteries exploded.

@user-zv8ph5du5t 2 күн бұрын

Great advancement, and fastastic for EVs. But I don't understand how electric aircraft are going to replace jet airliners, which is where the vast bulk of passengers are carried. Are we going back to the 1950s? Or should be be working a lot harder on bio-fuels?

@toend1 Күн бұрын

Do you have a chart of how batteries have evolved over the past 20 years?

@andreandre1051 2 күн бұрын

👍👍

@ChickensAndGardening Күн бұрын

Not interested in China-made "tofu dreg" aircraft. But very interested in a Western aircraft manufacturer developing electric planes using such batteries. With today's A.I. and automation capabilities, they could fly them for thousands of hours unmanned, to work out the kinks for a few years, then this will likely replace small to mid size civil aircraft over time. I say "over time" because small aircraft are flown for decades; they don't just use them for 5 years then trade in for a new model. We can also expect ultra-stealth electric military drones and planes to come into use as well.

@gkaplan443 Сағат бұрын

Sam, what is your current thought on Amprius Technologies with their silicon anoid batteries.

@doolittlegeorge 2 күн бұрын

Might be able to create a hybrid drive system for aircraft that allows for redundancy in case of a catastrophic power loss. My understanding of jet aircraft is that power loss is quite common actually...just not of the "catastrophic" kind. Still use in the Boating industry makes far more sense for battery electrics where weight need no be a penalty at all. Plus if your ship/yacht/boat loses power all you are is dead in the water and not flat out dead as is true of a catastrophic failure of power in an aircraft.

@johnwang9914 2 күн бұрын

Well, an electric plane would likely have to be a propeller plane not a jet plane. However compact ICE engines such as axial engines are proposed as range extenders and backups for electric planes...

@MrPropanePete 2 күн бұрын

I flew for 40 years, retired in 2013. Power loss in jet aircraft (and turboprops) is extremely rare, not common as you have implied.

@julesmoto9022 2 күн бұрын

All these pie in the sky future batteries make an absolutely compelling case not to buy a current electric car. Of course 3/4 of these ideas will never come to fruition but it looks as though there will be quite significant adventures in the very near future which will make any electronic car you buy now with nothing in the future and leave you looking like yesterday's hero

@koenraad4618 2 күн бұрын

2000 km range in a ‘normal’ ev means 6000km range in the Aptera, insane. A future Aptera can drive USA coast to coast on one charge.

@jantjarks7946 Күн бұрын

Finally the US boys won't have an excuse not to switch to EVs because the country is too big. 😂😅

@sh5465 2 күн бұрын

I always figured that 500 Wh/kg was the threshhold for commuter aviation. Whats the battery chemistry?

@FrancisFjordCupola Күн бұрын

Still more than a huge way off. I can see some electric aircraft operating economically in say Australia, but less so elsewhere. Also, from all sorts of airplane disaster channels, I would not put the combustion engines as the main culprit. Very often it comes down to human error. Then there's Boeing, but the rate they're not going, question is how long they will last. Will be around mid 2030's before small commercial can operate electric planes, I hope. Even then one of the biggest costs is actually the plane's crew. So smaller planes with less passengers are less economic. Don't see XLR's being replaced anytime soon. I hope boats are being looked at too. So much room on top of ships, would be great if they got a huge amount of solar. (I'd also love to see solar panels integrated on the top of the wings, or the fuselage of the planes).

@robertfonovic3551 2 күн бұрын

Hey Sam, why is there no report on your China trip? Did they deport you?

@hardi.howdy.983 2 күн бұрын

He just reads articles. So no report to read here 😁

@DarilUki 2 күн бұрын

amazing if it's true

@huibu8987 2 күн бұрын

This is great for Lilium jet $lilm

@dexlab7539 Күн бұрын

I have 1 Trillion mile car…it’s the size of a football field

@Michael-yi4mc Күн бұрын

You should name it the “Wang”. Size matters!🍆

@kieronimo1 Күн бұрын

We need this kind of density for small EVs. The Smart E has awful range. We need motorway/highway speed small 2 seater EVs at cheap prices with decent range. This is what city people need. UK cities don't have the space for big cars, but hardly anyone wants to drive something like a citreon ami that only does 45mph (or something). I drove my petrol smart for two all over the UK. We need EVs that can do that, but at dirt cheap prices. People should be encouraged to downsize, if they never use their back seats. These capacities will enable that.

@danielstapler4315 Күн бұрын

I noticed that CATL condensed battery has a gold colour, is that a hint about their price?

@johnfrancis4401 2 күн бұрын

Excellent stuff. I was amazed to see VW investing $3 billion in petrol engine development. The efficiency improvement will be negligible. But battery technology is advancing hand over fist.

@rogerphelps9939 2 күн бұрын

Investing more in petrol and diesel engines is just the sunk cost fallacy in action.

@johnfrancis4401 2 күн бұрын

@@rogerphelps9939 Exactly. Succinctly put 👍👍👍

@ManHeIsAwesome Күн бұрын

Can it go as fast as a jet engine tho?

@ChicagoBob123 2 күн бұрын

I am still waiting for cars to get the new shenxing plus battery to end up in a Tesla.

@colinstewart4357 2 күн бұрын

There's no way I'm getting on a battery plane.

@nzer57 2 күн бұрын

What is always missing from the hype is charge time, charge cycles and cost. Forget about there ever being viable commercial aircraft in the next 20 years. It takes years for commercial aircraft to reach certification and we're still in the experimental stage. I could see small short-haul aircraft being inserted into this market in maybe 5-10 years if they can get the cost at a competitive level. The trouble is the world is screaming out for aicraft engineers and techs now and that's only going to get worse. A whole new category of aircraft tech service persons would be challenging to say the least. Currently the aviation industry globally is under resourced and can't meet demand now. I can't see electric aircraft getting a foothold in this environment.

@yggdrasil9039 2 күн бұрын

And yet all the new EVs coming to Australia from China have 470km range. Less than a Tesla. When cars start arriving with at least 1000km of range wake me up.

@chriswilliams8607 Күн бұрын

Electric aviation is definitely coming, but i doubt that we will see more than 1500km (not miles!!) range. Everything above will go most likely to e-fuels. With todays batteries (250Wh/kg) we can go about 200km range with an electric plane, so the distances you are talking about are most unlikely. But even 1000km would be a huge environmental improvement, so it is surely the next big thing to come. But 2000 or more miles.... sorry, that will not happen.

@hanswallner2188 Күн бұрын

True, and i would second your estimate. Lithium batteries might reach 750Wh/kg, maybe even 1kWh per kg which would be amazing, but even with such batteries we would be barely fly 1000km, with silicon based technology we could phantasize about 1,5kWh per kg, but we are 10 to 20 years away from that, that could bring us to 1000km, but this is far away from 2000 miles range, which i consider an unrealistic phantasy.

@user-ww1ty1mk1y 2 күн бұрын

Imagine being inside an airplane with a huge lithium battery and it starts to smoke …..

@murraycrichton2001 2 күн бұрын

I'd imagine it would be the same if it was an 'av gas' fuel plane.

@ilollipop100 2 күн бұрын

Vaporware... you can sell future batteries for a penny a piece...

@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 2 күн бұрын

🤗 THANKS SAM,FOR SHARING THE FUTURE…COMING SOONER THAN WE EXPECTED 😎💚💚💚

@electricviking 2 күн бұрын

You are so welcome

@kurtlowder3276 2 күн бұрын

I did a bit of internet research. maybe someone can correct me if they have better knowledge. at only 500kwhThese planes going 1800 miles will be small compared to most airliners. modern day flights are so cheap because planes have gotten very large. its a bit like windmills. often, The larger the more economical. for most size planes we have today. you will need 1000kwh-1500kwh. This is a good first step, but its a small first step. airliners have to be perfect. even if we had 2000kwh batteries, it is going to take a long time reengineer planes, charging, and thousands of other little factors. decarbonizing flights is a massive challenge.

@MarsOzzie 5 сағат бұрын

30kw? Will go half the range

@pavelblaha5243 2 күн бұрын

Is there already a real battery composed of these cells, that can be used to power an electric car? What is the cost of such a battery and such a ev. Do we know any realistic dates for deployment in electric cars? The reality of Chinese electric cars so far is that overall they are lagging behind non-Chinese competitors in terms of charging speed, consumption or software.

@danielstapler4315 Күн бұрын

I don't think these are intended for cars. CATL and BYD (unlike small start ups looking for funding) announce their battery breakthroughs when their production line is ready to start rolling.

@alfred-vz8ti 2 күн бұрын

why buy an e-car, if the best battery by far won't be on the market for two years? not sure this is good marketing.

@cementeagle3596 10 сағат бұрын

70% of the cost of an airline ticket is jet fuel. the jet engines are 25% of the cost of building an airliner. electric airline tickets will be sooo cheap.

@Guvament_bs 2 күн бұрын

Lots of pictures of large jet aircraft. Very misleading. Smaller propeller air craft at best. Great but air lines depend on quick turn around to be economic. Waiting possibly hours to charge up destroys the profitability and therefore viability.

@robbailey6476 2 күн бұрын

I'm sure no one at the world's largest battery producer thought of that. Nice catch!

@tsamuel6224 Күн бұрын

Electric jets will be about as noisy as petro jets; the noise from combustion is small but the noise from exhaust turbulence is large. Where props are certain to dominate is air robotaxis.

@iainsear7830 2 күн бұрын

Bit confused, surely a 30Kwh battery will do approx half the range of of 60Kwh battery? If the battery is half the size/weight you will get some small efficiency improvement but the range = the efficiency*Kwh capacity. Are you confusing the capacity of the battery e.g. 60Kwh with the physical size? or am I being thick (It has been known). Keep up good work.

@iandavies4853 2 күн бұрын

For same weight (volume) of pack, get double energy storage - if prepared to keep heavy car. If you put in half the energy plus twice the density, save 700kg, save 1/3 of rolling resistance, 1/6 better energy efficiency.

@chillfluencer 2 күн бұрын

Physical size

@JohnSmith-ms2cl 2 күн бұрын

This guy reads stuff and gets excited.. i don’t know if he knows that when a company drops some out there claims, the stock usually jumps because of people like him 😂 Remember when God Elon mentioned that stupid dog coin and it blew up 😂

@cameronmacdonald6525 2 күн бұрын

Yeah his math is pretty far off. He's very confused about ev efficiency. A battery that weighs half as much will make your car go further. But if you cut the total kilowatt hours in half and only drop 100kg in weight on a 3000kg car, you won't go twice as far. Not even close. You won't even go as far. Maybe 55% at best. If you cut the entire weight of the car in half, not just the battery, you still wouldn't go as far. I have no idea where he came up with this mystical math that lets you cut your energy in half and travel twice as far.

@johnpereztwo6059 Күн бұрын

Payload ??

@richardjensen2769 2 күн бұрын

I KNEW if I Watched this Channel l-o-n-g enough, I'd catch Steve being pessimistic about electric vehicles. (The Ford Motor Company used to Love shaving a few ounces off the mass of the ICE powerplant they sold. {Because they knew there would be a "Knock On Effect" on the rest of the Machines structure. Lighter weight Shocks, Wheels, Tires; that kind of thing.) That "700 pounds" might balloon up to 800, or 900 pounds . The car/airplane Makers would be laughing, all the way to their Banking Institutions.

@rodmitchell831 2 күн бұрын

Great news Sam

@RobertCrickmore Күн бұрын

This is exciting but almost all of the graphics you're using show jets. Jets need fuel. Electrics are great for prop planes but are you going to take a prop plane from Australia to anywhere further away than a few hundred miles at 300 miles an hour? Going to the US would put you back to the old China Clipper days of the 1930"s island hopping across the Pacific.

@mikewallace8087 2 күн бұрын

Your talking propeller driven airliners SAM . Take one back to China Sam .

@donaldo1954 2 күн бұрын

What? 🤔

@johnbullers8647 2 күн бұрын

Amprius makes a better battery then CATL.

@aftonline 2 күн бұрын

It's not about the electric motor vs the ICE engine. It's about burning fuel as opposed to the chemical reaction in a battery - both equally dangerous.

@TheForwardThinker 2 күн бұрын

Are you being serious, or just never bothered to google?

@robbailey6476 2 күн бұрын

Equally dangerous? Definitely not true. Hilarious to think that driving around with a tub full of liquid fuel is somehow safer than a battery 😂

@TheForwardThinker 2 күн бұрын

@@robbailey6476 I was making fun of the dude, because obviously gas tank are way more explosive then batteries! Please do some basic research before repeating lies from the media! Battery vehicles are 20-80 times less likely to catch fire, then gas vehicles! BEV fires just get reported on way way more!!!

@timothykeith1367 2 күн бұрын

@robbailey6476 Have you been driving around in a tub filled with flammable liquid- and you're still here? Smoking! Gasoline must be pretty safe

@aftonline 2 күн бұрын

@@robbailey6476 It's all about risk management and mitigation. We know how to reduce the risk of an ICE car or airplane catching fire. The risk is extremely low as long as everything is well maintained. But lithium batteries are a new technology and we have seen EV's catch fire unpredictably, presumably due to battery defects that were not detected by quality control processes before they were put in the vehicle. Can you imagine a plane full of people going down in flames because one defective battery set off a chain reaction? You can't just pull over to the side of the road like you can with a car.

@clnelson321 2 күн бұрын

That plane has no chem trails...must be a Tesla

@carholic-sz3qv 2 күн бұрын

or electric spacex rockets....... lol!!

@eman67rp 2 күн бұрын

Musk is pissing his pants right now.

@kazedcat 2 күн бұрын

Tesla already has a battery supply contract with CATL.

@fuzzymonkey777 2 күн бұрын

Are electric motors more efficient than jet engines? I know electric cars can get like 125 mpg equivalent.

@danielstapler4315 Күн бұрын

Good question. One google answer is "A Boeing 747 filled with passengers to only 75 percent capacity is more fuel-efficient than an automobile with a driver and one passenger in terms of fuel burn per passenger mile." but another google answer says no. Possibly the second answer used the real life average for passenger jets and best case for the car. OK here's the quote "Driving a fuel-efficient car releases far less greenhouse-gas emissions than flying. For the trip from Philadelphia to Boston, for example, driving would generate about 104 kg of carbon dioxide, while flying generates around 184 kg of CO2 per passenger."

@mrmawson2438 2 күн бұрын

Cheers mate

@Nilz4FR Күн бұрын

C_A_T_L please

@tonystorcke 2 күн бұрын

They can't allow the planes to run dead silent. There has to be some artificial noise generation for the sanity of the passengers . Perhaps a gentle, continuous hum.

@alihms 2 күн бұрын

The battery ultimately needs power the properllers. Propellers make a lot of noise (and vibrations - if not properly balanced).