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Wendler quotes are always epic. Hey Jim, how do you get jacked? D-bal and milk. 🤣🤣🤣

I love this conversation. Also the conversation at the end reminded me of the time that a 48yo Wade Wilson, a QB coach in the NFL at the time, got in trouble for taking banned PEDs.

I agree with an exception: if a person is selling a bottle of some obscure proprietary blend for $100.00 a pop saying that if you take it you too can look just like them. In that case, yes, their claims are misleading.

The answer to the question "Why do you care if somebody is natty or not?" is pretty simple. I don't if they don't lie about it to my face. If you lie about it and compare yourself to me and compete against me, that is dishonest. I don't care what the rules say, it's just plain dishonest. You are then representing yourself in a false light while belittling people who are not in the same category as you to begin with. I know former world's strongest men who have openly told me that they couldn't have gotten the results they got without PEDs and that's ok with me but I also come accross people who use PEDs every day just to one-up other people and then lie about using them or PEDs not being a big deal for performance. That's a spit in the face for all the people who are not using and grinding away to get stronger. Just my 2 cents on the matter

Tim Bruner was right: " If you choose not to use, you'd better get used to being left behind." Nobody ever hopped onto the 'roid wagon because they were making great gains as a natty. It's because they hit a wall that they wanted to get through.

If your contemplating then the answer I no...the greatest thing I learned from my first bb coach was if you have to ask yourself if your ready to start a cycle then the answer is no

Anyone who’s been around the weight room long enough knows who the enhanced lifters are. They stand way out. 30 years ago when I was playing D1 football and I said I might be more interested in using Roids if they made you faster and a teammate looked at me and said they do! I still never used, but you could tell this dude did. Not only are users, bigger and stronger than their peers that are natural, but they act a little off too. Again, this is pretty easy to spot whether users like to admit this or not, it definitely affects personality.

If you want to know what the effect of being open about drug use: Larry Wheels John Haack Ben Pollack George Leeman Pete Rubish All massive popularity, especially for powerlifting.

It’s not entitlement and narcissism. That’s kind of a myopic way to look at it. The issues people have are those that clearly use and outright say they don’t and make young impressionable people believe that their body is achievable naturally. There’s nothing wrong if people choose to use PEDs but at the same time, being intentionally misleading is fucked up. That, I think is the biggest issue people have.

Because it's illegal?!?!? Love it guys, keep it up. NEED MORE WENDLER

Man I love your channel

People want to know if somebody is natural or not because they want to know if that look or weight is achievable by them. Obviously most people are not working out hard enough for this to even be an issue but people still need to know what they might be able to look like one day, or what kind of weight they might be lifting one day. People will lift for decades and still not be able to lift nearly as much as the people they see online. People want to know if this is because they are not working out hard enough or is it because those people are taking PEDs. That is a legitimate reason.

I just wanna know what cocktail other dudes are using so I can mimic their success. As far as people using: that's a personal choice and between them and those in their circle.

I love it! Great stuff guys.

I love this kind of content

For me it's not about being entitled or narcissistic about wanting to know if someone takes PEDs. It's not about 'owing' anyone an explanation either. For me, as someone who's lifted hard for 45 years and never taken PEDs, it's more about understanding what it takes to get in the best shape and become the strongest I can be through trial and error and discipline. When I see non-competitive dudes on Instagram who are obviously on some form of testosterone and or HGH (I've been around long enough to know who is 99% of the time) I find it misleading to the average kid or dude who has no idea how to train hard naturally first. I wrestled for 7 years before I started my lifting career so I knew how to train really hard. What I didn't know in the beginning was how to train with weights hard and not over train. That's the art of strength training to me. The average guy may not know that taking testosterone allows you to train harder without over training and it seems like nowadays a lot of people are in a hurry and don't want to or aren't willing to pay the hard price for a great physique. I personally never took steroids because I have an addictive personality and didn't want to go down that path or have to come off of them. I also don't like crutches. I don't judge those who take them as long as they're disciplined.

“No legitimate reason” - - - ding,ding,ding!!!! Dave nailed that!

” first of all it's none of your business what I do". Well, it is. If you're profiting in anyway off of misguiding ppl into thinking that steroid use isn't a huge part of your success. Yes it absolutely is our business. It's your responsibility to say "hey, your results may not be the same as mine cuz I do this .. .. and this... ". If you're taking their money for your advice.

PEDs aren't going away. There's no solution to this problem, so there's no point in getting stressed out about it. Make your decision and live with it.

The only reason people want to know is to downplay their hard work and talk shit.

Baseball absolutely has the dumbest rules. There's no way a man can walk with four balls.

i think way more people talk about steroids nowadays than before bc of social media and just the online era. ofc there is a negative said of ppl lying about steroid use but overall the convo has changed.

😂😂😂 jim is so funny

This conversation is fit for 40 years ago,not now. The reason I say that,is that William lewelyn wrote steroid guides in the early 2,000's ,he wrote a guide for each year in that decade. Going back further to the ,80's, Aids patients openly talked about steroids playing a major role in preserving their lean weight. Add to that all sports champions,pro and amatuer who were busted for steroids in the 80's. Guys everyone for years has known that athletes take steroids. Only thing different these days is the click bait steroids provide on KZfaq. But as a topic this is super old, how many know who Dan Duchaine was ,and what he did,also Patrick Arnold's and Victor Conte's role in the Olympic and baseball doping?

I think once people work hard enough for long enough they figure it out on their own.

I always trust a guy with chalk on his hat.

Damn this was fire

Will PEDs improve my typing velocity?

Nice 👍🏻 👏🏻

I remember kids getting fat trying to be a 300 lb ronnie. If they knew what the deal was....I just see it like that

I feel like now a days theres a new breed of commercial trainee....the old man who obviously only works out because hes on TRT now, so he has defined shoulders but nothing else and started tanning after his hair went full grey

Dan Dushane was the best he keyed out the blueprint for juice he was the louie Simmons of juice 🥤

I'll tell you why it's important. Lots of fitness influencers etc. push their diets, supplements and training programs to make a living putting out the idea if you pay me for this or that, you too will have an amazing physique like me as a NATURAL. When everyone in the fitness industry knows that is a load of horse crap. The fitness people that are not pushing their crap trying to make more sales etc. are fine keeping their business, their business. I've been around long enough to know most of it is just utter BS, but more naive or younger people do not. This is the truth.

I don't care if anyone is on PEDs. Unless they are actually claiming they aren't and they are, that's just flat lying to sell a product a lot of times or they are cheating in competition (in before the "everyone's on steroids"). I just want reliable information on it, the side affects, doses, etc so I can make a legit informed decision on wether or not I want to take that jump.

I don't care about PED use myself for the most part. Live and let live. They're not for me, I enjoy the process of getting results on my own, however if someone is seriously competitive in an endeavour I can totally see why they'd engage with the practice. The only issue I have is with those that are obviously on the sauce yet make their "natty status" a part of their identity (ahem, duck eggs) to sell bullshit to the uninformed.

"I don't follow steroids" 💀

amen. great conversation. Why is marijuana, sarms, peptides,...legal (in most states)..but anabolic / androgenic steroids illegal??? Because the government wants people weak, drunk and high. This makes them easy to control. WTF would the US government do if all X Navy seals, Marines, Ranges, banned together??? think about it. In med school we were taught almost nothing about anabolic steroids. Yes there are many "studies" but most are very weak evidence when you read the details of the studies, not controlled, not long term,.... Yes this shit is very dangerous but so are many prescription medications and even over the counter products. Bottle of Tylenol will kill an adult but we allow any age kid to buy it at CVS. Heck, super easy to cook cyanide at home but apples and almonds are still legal. Problems is, no one fighting for steroid rights. Lifters are not standing up and voting with their money to fight for the rights to use these products. Stand up and be counted or forever hide in the dark. For the big drug companies, No money / profit margin in many of the steroids, many can be cooked at home and are, just ask,...(name intentionally blank, jejejeje). However millions of lobbyist dollars spent on lipid medications, blood pressure medications, over the counter insulin, and the list goes on and on.... funny side note, many items that are "illegal" in the USA or by "prescription only" are free sold without prescription here in South America and yet people are not dying in the streets as they are in the US. Plus, if that is not enough, most of the items are sold at HALF the price as they are in the US for the same name brand ! Even something as simple as Cialis is only available by prescription in the USA. Anything that gets you "hard", illegal, immoral or prescription only.

In some contexts it is important to know. And you shouldn't obfuscate the underlying reasons why with hyper responders, etc. Good to know Kelly Branton was using Sarms while prepping for IPF worlds when he was popped in out of competition testing. Then a month or so later at IPF worlds, Ray had "food poisoning" and has never been the same lifter he was before that. Now he's sus. Barry Bonds is iced out of the Hall of Fame, but how many others, including pitchers, were using steroids at the time. A lot people selling their supplements or training programs saying those are the things that helped them achieve their bodies/result, but leave out their PED usage, that's a problem also. I think people want to know, because they want to know what's actually real, even taking PEDs is real but it's a variable between an ATWR and not. Maybe there is a guy with the genetics and commitment of a Jim Wendler, but he's a total natty. It be good for him to know that specific thing he might be missing beyond the "mystical work ethic" Jim may have had. Then there's actually letting people know the pros and cons of PED usage, what to look out for if you're having to go black market on some of the compounds and so on. Clearly PED usage is often illegal, one of the cons, but that's the only reason to maintain this cult of secrecy, not some type of morality/ethicalness, like people are violating HIPPA. Amazing how no cares about sharing their diet, or training program, but whoa, don't ask about my PED usage that's out of bounds man.

if veganism worked the way that movie the gamechangers would have you believe, then don't you think almost every pro athlete would be doing it?

64 years old. Disappointed that a disabled veteran, or any adult American, cannot get what he wants to enhance his quality of life in the country he fought for. For example; When I taught in Vietnam I used proviron until they stopped making it available to the public. It didn’t help me get big. However, I had far more energy than I do now. What frustrates me is that folks in many other countries can get them with the blessing of the government. Not here. Seems adults, especially folks over 40 say, should be allowed to do whatever they like as long as it doesn’t harm others. It’s frustrating when told by the doc that my testosterone levels are high enough. So? High enough for who? For What? “Especially the Xanax for assholes like you.” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍☝️☝️☝️

So you think all these folks in the fitness industry are making millions because the consumer knows their favorite athlete is on drugs ? Pretty disingenuous !! And I don’t see these fitness industry cats saying oh yeah I use drugs but buy my hyphy mud bullshit cause it’s what got me big and ripped !! Of course they’re being deceitful !!

We all know PEDS are like Deadlifting Sumo...it's cheating!!!!! 🤣

Jim Saying that nobody has a right to know what he is on when he literally sold programming programming to people for years without saying Whether or not it was written for natural or enhanced lifters is a bit rich

PED's - my chuckles are due to folks who think that if they take them they get instantly very muscular and strong. That is BS. If you don't work hard, PED's will do nothing for you. What most PEDs do is increase your ability to recover and that includes repairing muscle fiber damage done under workloads. In general PED's will give you a slight edge over a natty athlete but you have to work hard to take advantage of it. Think of Lance Armstrong as an example - all the doping he did was to heavily oxygenate his blood so he had more endurance on those 10,000 foot climbs on a bike. He still had to train - he still had to work like a dog in climbing and that 2 or 3% edge in endurance may have given him extra wins in some stages. I asked myself - what the long term effects were - and I didn't know.

Epic

They're jealous because they haven't got the balls to do it themselves.Simple.

Gosh! Sometimes Dave has such tools on! We want to hear Dave's experience! Be quiet! Let the man with the wisdom talk!

The whole point about people being curious about steroids, is because we know you wouldn't be as successful as you are without them, so it really diminishes your overall accomplishment .

Almost got political for a second hope this channel doesn’t go in that direction tell me about lifting don’t want to hear about how you think the pandemic was made up !!