Chances are, others in leadership are making the same compromises. We had a large church here fall due to a leader. There was definitely a culture of the leaders and staff covering for each other. Although focus started on one leader, it showed that many were guilty, also of financial irregularities.

I’ve wondered the same thing I would have spotted that pervert immediately

You ladies give me hope that at least some Christians can actually be Christ like. Thank you for being salt and light.

@@JillCee such a 'same old, same old', yes? time perhaps for the body of christ to live simple lives of love.. knowing love and loving.. and not so much 'church'?

I'm glad that a MAN has pointed this out. I don't know what's going on. This seems to be a recurring theme, & not just IHOPKC. I've been watching online videos about the senior leadership (males) of Mars Hill Church, one of whom said they were "frightened" of Mark Driscoll. They tolerated his abuses towards staff there (bullying etc) , then just put him in an office a little distance from the general populace of them & the others. Eventually he left, possibly guessing he'd finally been rumbled, and would be kicked out. They should have done this, instead, and much sooner. Driscoll also physically assaulted a pastor at an impromptu baptism service because they'd run out of clothing & towels. Driscoll pushed him against a wall, put his hands around his throat & shouted at him that he's rip his head off & defecate down his neck - right in front of everyone! I believe some of the Mars Hill Elders/senior leadership were also present - but NOT one of them went to that pastor's aid. NO ONE did! I don't know if anyone even filmed it on a phone &/or called the police!! WHAT'S going on?! WHY are grown adult men so frightened by one individual, such as Driscoll, Locke, Bickle etc?!?! They demonstrate NO intention of caring properly for the flock, and, to be honest, they're weak, impotent inadequate excuses for manhood and leadership! I appreciate now why some women rise up & take action - because if the men won't, then someone has to! Then they're called 'Jezebel', rebellious etc! If I ever witness a Christian leader assaulting anyone like I've described above, I'd like to think I'd at least film it & call the police, & give a Witness Statement. But WHERE ARE ALL THE REAL MEN? WHY are so many of them so weak and timid? Are they all so feminised, or castrated that they're ONLY 'in touch' with their 'gentler side?!' There are little girls who would have more courage! Are these men suffering from an extremely low sperm count or something, maybe affecting their thinking and emotional responses?! What's going on?!

This was so my exact thought

I have so much more clarity and respect for the Jane Doe(s) now. When I first heard JD’s story, I knew it was truth. Now I understand her motivation for coming forward. Thank you JD for your bravery. Your sisters are praying for you with understanding, compassion and love.

Yes!!!! Can we have MORE female voices!!!

❤️❤️❤️❤️

I appreciate the foot-sie inappropriate stance… but, WHERE is the PROOF of All that’s “DONE IN the DARK” where is the Proof from all of your many victims ( which obviously is a deceptive LIE ) ‼️ Where’s the HORROR STORY … this crap, when it comes to God’s heart is just as wicked as the sexual failures … it’s so SAD that you and yours didn’t learn a higher way to live in all your years in training… ALL that this Accomplishes is feeding A PORNIFIED SPIRIT of THIS WORLD…! “If God Be For YOU ( MIKE BICKLE ) … WHO Can BE AGAINST You..”.

Essential for young women to be mentored in this, most never really taught much Maybe a few males speak in a controlled setting, simply how men think when they see a woman !❤

This is so needed. Girls need to be taught NOT to be alone with a married man, to say NO as an honor to God, themselves, and their future spouse, and maybe there needs to be a bit more old-fashioned chaperoning. @@laurie9993

Wow!!!.....I respect these Women and Thank them for not only standing for the "Jane Doe's" and Husbands at IHOP alone....These Women are also representing on what is going on Globally within most Evangelical Mega Churches, Ministries, and their Top Leaders....Its February 2024 and we have already seen Major Religious Spiritual Figures having their masks torn off their faces, there are many more to follow, Jesus is coming soon and he is cleaning his church from "Top to Bottom"

Most women are seeking a pastor to be their husband that’s why men wont come to church because men see through pastors

We do everything as teams at my church. Doesn’t matter if it is male or female. It is for everyone’s safety

THAT right there was a huge red flag!

Well said. As someone who has helped others through the traumas of abuse, and specifically spiritual abuse. I completely agree. I told them almost the same thing. I have a lot of respect for these girls. Its tragic that it these women to stand up and force the issue. A bunch of nutless men in that place.

Well said.

Who is defending the darkness?

Chances are is they are deceived as well. It is all very sad and tragic.

Apparently according to you it seems God doesn’t love ppl in the “dark.” He loves the sinner but hates the sin. That’s what we all seem to forget. We are looking at the person and just seeing their sin and not them.

@@sheilaboland6285 We need to be praying for those in the dark as well as the victims. Just because people are in church doesn’t mean they know God. I think that is one thing many forget. Churches as a whole need a wake up call. I am praying for a transformation to happen in the churches where we actually do set the standard. (I have been affected by church abuse, so this is a topic that hits home for me.)

And it is more prevalent than we realize. God is bringing things “into the light” and setting things right!

Join a support group if you can…Coda or another one. You are never responsible for someone else’s behavior.

Wow my heart breaks for your situation. My wife had a very similar story as your. A whole life of abuse, including satanic ritual abuse, abuse by priests teachers. Then went on to mary and 15 years of abuse and 5 kids later, she was forced finally to leave with the kids, because he went to jail for abuse on the kids. She then attempted suicide several times. When i got involved. Victimizers know how to pick victims dont they. No sitiuation.like this same but hearing your story, just brought me back to then and how broken she was. I merely gave her some hope, and helped her repair her relationship with God. And let me tell you she had tonwork through a lot of anger, and pain with Jesus. Once she opened up to him, he never left her. All the way through years later fighting cancer, and eventually passing in 2020. I just know how much he loves people like you that have been broken. I watched jesus do miracles for her. Some emotional/spiritual healing, some in holding back the hoards of demons we had to fight for her deliverence. God can help you get through this, and help you heal. Thats why he has me saying this to you. He says its ok to be angry and have it out with him, even yell and screen. He wont leave you. And when your done he will comfort, and hold you as long as he needs to. If he doesnt feel free to come back on here and yell at me. He has big plans for you. He says just like he did with Joseph in genesis. Pain overshadowed most his life, but when god shifted him and positioned him, it was for him to step into his purpose.

My friend I’m sorry for what you’re experienced and are experiencing. There are some fantastic healing and support groups for women waking up to and recovering from abusive pasts and presents. I highly recommend checking out Natalie Hoffman and Sarah McDugal.

Thank you for sharing your testimony. To see that you are choosing Christ in the midst of all your pain and heartache gives me more hope as I walk through healing with my wife. Also thank you Jennifer and Advocate team. The Lord is purifying and refining His bride to prepare us for His return.

Wow!!!.....I respect these Women and Thank them for standing for the "Jane Doe's" and Their Husbands at IHOP….These Women also represent to what is going on Globally within Top Evangelical Mega Churches, Their Ministries, and Leaders....Its February 2024 and we have already seen Major Religious Spiritual Figures having their masks torn off their faces, there are many more to follow, Jesus is coming soon and he is cleaning his church from "Top to Bottom"

Good job

Amen! No person on the planet is perfect. But there are people who accept stringent accountability and don’t give themselves opportunity to slip up in so many ways over so many years with so many women. Thankfully, not all Christian leaders deceived those around them and cause chaos in the body of Christ Over their own selfish sexual sins. Just a thought.

As an outsider, I see SO MUCH made of what is called a "prophetic ministry." So where in the entire world is there any advantage of these so called prophets? True prophets would not be living in such sin. AND, those in a "prophetic ministry" would certainly not be so entirely duped. Where is your personal word from God? Your prophets are all show business. This is personally embarrassing to me as a believer. But more importantly, this dishonors Christ. I am sorry, but I have never, ever, seen a "prophetic ministry" that was not flooded with this very sort of worldly shamefulness.

God bless you for sharing that.

Wow!!!.....I respect these Women and Thank them for not only standing for the "Jane Doe's" and Husbands at IHOP alone....These Women are also representing on what is going on Globally within most Evangelical Mega Churches, Ministries, and their Top Leaders....Its February 2024 and we have already seen Major Religious Spiritual Figures having their masks torn off their faces, there are many more to follow, Jesus is coming soon and he is cleaning his church from "Top to Bottom"

What is needed is forgiveness and prayer for the ministry to continue.

@@profmo but repentance is needed from victimizers. There is always a redemption process, when someone in leadership falls, but they have to take a step away from current leadership, and take responsibility for there actions.

@@ericwalters3426 Repentance is needed by all. God does not say your name will not be blotted from the Lamb’s book of life because you were victim. Jesus warned us about doing that when people told him about how Pilate mixed the blood of Galileans with his sacrifices.

Just you saying that gives more validity to the harm that can be done by this kind thing.

Wow!!!.....I respect these Women and Thank them for not only standing for the "Jane Doe's" and Husbands at IHOP alone....These Women are also representing on what is going on Globally within most Evangelical Mega Churches, Ministries, and their Top Leaders....Its February 2024 and we have already seen Major Religious Spiritual Figures having their masks torn off their faces, there are many more to follow, Jesus is coming soon and he is cleaning his church from "Top to Bottom"

honestly you probably wouldn't be charged because he would probably be too embarrassed. that's why this whole story makes no sense and is sickening. they were working more like a cult than a church congregation. how did that husband just sit there??

They benefited by it

all I heard were opinions and innuendo. we've heard way too much accusation against Mike without any actual facts...and everyone has found Mike guilty without hearing Mike's side of the story. Even a local county judge would hear both side before making judgement. It just might turn out that Mike is more the VICTIM here? I certainly wouldn't want to have these women or Allen or Wes and especially Dwayne or Jennifer Roberts as my judge for any case. If Mike has any weaknesses concerning ministry it would be his poor judgement in giving leadership to people who do not have the maturity or the wisdom to rightly serve in biblical church leadership roles. I read Mike's letter and it was filled with humility, regret and apology and with a note of simple defense and innocence of the most serious things like sexual abuse, manipulation and being evil and wicked as Allen Hood and Wes word it. One fact I do see is..... there is no true and wise leadership in ihopkc and in these men making videos with their opinions who are not in leadership and have no biblical governmental authority whatsoever in this case. They need to go home and be quiet. What a mess! and they are making it worse.

@@jackierutherford5179 the ELT has severed all ties with MB. Ask them why that happened?

​@@jackierutherford5179if the allegations were not enough to distance oneself from Mike Bickle, his theology should. Just look at what the man teaches. Look at the people around him at the foundation of IHOP - Bob Jones, Paul Cain, both of whom are confirmed sexual predators. The IHOP foundation was a finely grated pile of sand from the very beginning. And those mean old discernment bloggers have been warning people for decades. Open your eyes.

Gonna DARVO for an alleged abuser? Wow, man. Not cool.

Sounds like you came from a loving home or had a strong confidence in yourself! I’m so glad that you had self-confidence and a steady self-image. Unfortunately, most of the time, survivors of abuse, have been groomed for their entire life to believe that they are worthless. Often one or both of their parents don’t love them well. 😢 When you come from a place of low self-confidence, depression, and low self-worth, you are highly more likely to be groomed and abused. The research is out there. I’m so glad this was not what you experienced. But I hope you can find compassion in yourself for those who have had a different experience. As a mental health professional, I hear the stories of people who have been abused, groomed, and wrongly abused, as if they were the ones to blame. (Yes, partial blame can sometimes be on the victim). But in most every situation (I believe) 100% of the blame should have been put on the responsible leader especially if he is an adult. And no judgement or blame can possibly be thrown onto a 14-year-old child, who had never had a boyfriend And whose innocence trumped her wisdom and adult confidence.😢 in St. Louis where the first victim (so far) has filed an official police report.

@sheacoaching Certainly compassion for minor children. Adult young women must decide for themselves.

@@charleensolnik6974 yes, obviously. As adults we are responsible for our own decisions.

Even at 17 years old, many women are naïve. And become deceived by a man with tons of charisma. I do not blame them. Rather, I have compassion for them. That was my point. I hope you get what I’m trying to say.

Thank God for them. I dont know whats happened to the men around that place.

where were they years ago?

@@Amidat like i said where did all the men in that place go. None could speak up and confront an old dude playing footsie with teenage girls.

@@Amidat I agree

Please research grooming and cults. These ladies were brainwashed and manipulated. In addition, our prefrontal cortex’s aren’t fully developed until we are 25-26. So in many ways we still think like a child before that. It’s why so many young people are impulsive. Of course we all receive consequences for sin, no matter our age. But this is a case where these women were spiritually abused, which led to sexual abuse. To say it’s consensual is victim shaming. This gives Bickle the upper hand. As a predator, he wants his victims to think they consented. Again, please do your research on such things! Repeating the whole “consensual” idea is re-victimizing someone already vulnerable and hurting.

And the particular 'Jane Doe' who they, these two interviewed women, sat & talked with several times, who had a 'relationship' w/ Mike Bickle when she was 19 yrs old? And then married a guy who became part of IHOP staff? & then that same woman has an affair w/ Mike Bickle's son? then she divorces her husband & marries Mike Bickle's son??? She sounds very convoluted & guilty of sins as much as Mike & his son are made to sound. What a mess.

@@Kat-Knows yeah but that's not popular to say.... I honestly don't even know what the point of this is since these people were all around all these years and did nothing. now everyone wants to get in front of a camera. but as you see most people in the comments are cheering it on.

only after years of everyone enabling - now everyone wants to come out...

They are were involved- not directly

@@dailyjerk but so were these people now making videos

I agree

how do you know? God knows the heart of each person... we don't

well if we did things biblically none of this would have happened since women would govern other single women with no fathers and men would govern the men. of course then there is homosexuality too to worry about - but a little less

Thank you!

What is the name of the article?

@@JillCee Google the following: Christian Post August 2012 it's not an affair it's abuse. You can find it that way.

no - don't make an excuse for the wife.

just like they all did....

I heard one elder say once "if you women respect me more than you respect your own husbands then we have a big problem in this congregation". He was making that point for reasons he didn't disclose. So it's not just single women. Married ones too (which we also see there was a married women having an affair with his son in the congregation). There is a reason men in authority in ANY setting - often have more "access" to women. Let's be honest. As to the church... I highly doubt the apostles were having "one on one counseling sessions" with women.