Ellen vs Zhu Yuan : Who Offers Better Investment Value in Zenless Zone Zero

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Timestamps:
00:00 Current Value
05:00 Future Value
07:18 Alternatives
10:30 Potential
12:54 F2P Comparison
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@farhaandomun1298
@farhaandomun1298 9 күн бұрын
Zhu Yuan offers better value as you can use her with Nicole = more time of Nicole being onscreen.
@DefinitelyNotAFerret
@DefinitelyNotAFerret 9 күн бұрын
But then you can only play with one hand
@iDGameTournament
@iDGameTournament 8 күн бұрын
Exactly my thought process lol
@lemonzest8650
@lemonzest8650 4 күн бұрын
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret git gud
@blueveil3277
@blueveil3277 3 күн бұрын
That decreased her value for me.
@AkbarIpulcoolCh
@AkbarIpulcoolCh 3 күн бұрын
Facts
@N0XEL
@N0XEL 9 күн бұрын
im simply gonna wait until i get my character off of standard banner, if i get lycaon i'll try and get ellen, if i dont i will wait untill near the end of zhu yuan's banner to see whats coming and if i wanna pull her or not, not gonna reroll though.
@nobodynose6722
@nobodynose6722 7 күн бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@HiHi-pl3hc
@HiHi-pl3hc 4 күн бұрын
fr
@user-hw1uz1ly4j
@user-hw1uz1ly4j 3 күн бұрын
Reroll is hell not worth it. I just finished getting Ellen and lycaon and it took me 3 days. 16 account with 3 server each. Got it on Europe server.
@Alfonsopro14
@Alfonsopro14 3 күн бұрын
Honestly I have 14 hours now, and reroll seems like super boring, I lost 50/50😢.
@AkbarIpulcoolCh
@AkbarIpulcoolCh 3 күн бұрын
What a strong resolution, i almost buy cheap acc reroll for ellen lmao
@scyi.3665
@scyi.3665 Күн бұрын
That mono ice team with Ellen, Lycaon and Soukaku is very strong and I can't imagine it falling off soon + Miyabi is unlikely to release soon. On the HSR comparison, Seele actually aged well for a first limited character, she performs well in all three gamemodes and can still 0 cycle MoC. So I agree that the best choice is to go for Ellen Joe right now for smoother progression. Her mobility is great too with Roaming State edit: nvm Miyabi potentially coming in 1.3 it's ellen joever
@FrostySnow1000
@FrostySnow1000 Күн бұрын
Venti was a great first limited too
@Bao598
@Bao598 15 сағат бұрын
Miyabi could appear even faster than that, i mean in the CBT she was an A rank unit, so its probably comming in 1.1 or 1.2... At least if they dont change her to S rank
@ozumitsu
@ozumitsu 6 сағат бұрын
yeah venti was good even until the day I quit, imo saying first banner characters fall off ain't really accurate
@scyi.3665
@scyi.3665 Сағат бұрын
@@Bao598 With that one cutscene, I think she's intended to be S rank. Harumasa and Yanagi are rumored to be S rank and they did not stand out as much
@Helsenberg268
@Helsenberg268 9 күн бұрын
11:33 "The second banner tends to be good" .... ? In HSR we had Jing Yuan, who wasn't even god at release and in Genshin we had Klee, who was also power-creeped pretty fast In the end it's a hoyo game and it won'T have that high of a ceiling. Just pull the chars you like (aesthetics, gameplay,...)
@RavenUwU605
@RavenUwU605 5 күн бұрын
Meanwhile in Honkai:
@grumpy_1
@grumpy_1 2 күн бұрын
​@@RavenUwU605But these past 2 games, you can actually clear the content with just a 4 stars. Idk about ZZZ though
@TsukatsukiRio
@TsukatsukiRio 19 сағат бұрын
​​@@grumpy_1zzz all 4 stars are good as well
@TheNrat
@TheNrat 9 күн бұрын
This the video I need . Ellen hype video got me more interest in her . But I wanna use Nicole on teams
@NARUTOnemesis
@NARUTOnemesis 9 күн бұрын
It kinda really depends on who my first 5 star is. I want Miyabi, plain and simple. But I wouldn't be surprised if shes around 1.5 or further, maybe into 2.0. So if I get Lycano then I may push for Ellen but if not I'll go for Zhu Yen.
@akialter
@akialter 9 күн бұрын
Same boat here. I just the most minimal pull to clear content and would save for her
@NARUTOnemesis
@NARUTOnemesis 6 күн бұрын
Might have to reassess this. They kinda nerfed Zhu Yuan's weapon and it sort of changes things. Changed Ether damage to crit rate which I believe is a bad move since we have a lot of sources to get crit but limited sources to get Ether damage which is her primary damage source. It could be fine but we'll see.
@junojuno666
@junojuno666 9 күн бұрын
thank you for the vid!
@Cbb88dragonborn
@Cbb88dragonborn 9 күн бұрын
Going for Ellen personally and hey if I get her W-Engine that can go right on Miyabi too
@Zerodarkwolf01
@Zerodarkwolf01 9 күн бұрын
I think I might go with Ellen since I’m also planning on getting Lycaon AKA wolf Sanji to have synergy and ice attacks are heck op from what I’ve seen so far
@SyntheticaYT
@SyntheticaYT Күн бұрын
Unless you’re going to be dropping hundreds of dollars to get the guaranteed five star off the standard banner (300 pulls) There is no such thing as “planning” to get Lycoan.
@Zerodarkwolf01
@Zerodarkwolf01 Күн бұрын
@@SyntheticaYT ahhh gotcha sadly to this day i wasn’t able to play the game do to my phone not keeping up but thanks for the info
@spookyskeleton3820
@spookyskeleton3820 18 сағат бұрын
I was lucky enough to get lycaon and Ellen on ellens banner in like 50 pulls and her w-engine in 20 pulls
@floofy1
@floofy1 9 күн бұрын
Pog new vid
@jookykooky
@jookykooky 9 күн бұрын
I was planning to get Zhu Yuan then save for Miyabi… until I saw the guy in Section 6 and the cat guy(?) in Zhu Yuan’s squad (I forgot the name). Thank god the devs are catering to husbando enjoyers a little too 😭
@Maxcie
@Maxcie 9 күн бұрын
7:20 the Nike shade is craaaaaazy. checks over stripes! Great video though, very informative.
@Nihilore
@Nihilore 4 күн бұрын
i just witnessed Miyabi's cutscene in the hollow zero and i know who i'm saving for now instead
@ratspew932
@ratspew932 4 күн бұрын
wait miyabi is a 5*?? awesome, saving for her now.
@mugenhikage
@mugenhikage 9 күн бұрын
I thought Soukaku was given for free in game for one of the game modes?
@xj975
@xj975 3 күн бұрын
She is
@spookyskeleton3820
@spookyskeleton3820 18 сағат бұрын
Shiyu defense floor 3
@edselw9293
@edselw9293 9 күн бұрын
W vid as always
@Ray-pq4di
@Ray-pq4di Күн бұрын
Lost 50/50 to rina. I have lycaon T_T. Should i still pull or just stick with lycaon rina anton
@Dandy4ask
@Dandy4ask 8 күн бұрын
11:30 Seele and Venti were both first banners while klee and jing yuan were on the other half, i dont think theres a trend here
@danusorn8655
@danusorn8655 6 күн бұрын
Genshin’s first limited banner literallly being an archon 😭
@Tigrulken
@Tigrulken 3 күн бұрын
6:23 Jing Yuan value was increased only once - with Sparkle release, but instantly got powercrept by Acheron in next patch.
@andrinaleong4079
@andrinaleong4079 3 күн бұрын
Acheron powercreeps literally every character with her damage ceiling as she is the anniversary character. In the flip side, her team is expensive and not easy to build.
@Tigrulken
@Tigrulken 3 күн бұрын
@@andrinaleong4079 what team is expensive? You only need like 1 event nihility character(SW/BS/new fox boy). 2 other slots are Pela and literally any preservation char with fire dot cone/gallagher. And originally in the first comment I was saying about damage element. Both Acheron and Jing Yuan do aoe electro damage. What I meant is not only damage, but the role.
@naufalsyauqifillah6388
@naufalsyauqifillah6388 2 күн бұрын
​@@andrinaleong4079what expensive lol follow up are the expensive one not acheron team
@marshscarf7467
@marshscarf7467 Күн бұрын
Yeah but Aventurine is the best sustain rn for alot of teams, including Acheron team​@@naufalsyauqifillah6388
@Dustycat
@Dustycat Күн бұрын
bro forgot about fu xuan ig
@rjuwuxd3012
@rjuwuxd3012 9 күн бұрын
Wild I was just curious about Ellen vs ZhuYuan about a few minutes ago. It's like you read my mind 😅 Anyway I'm most likely skipping both banners knowing how Hoyo loves powercreeping their launch limiteds right away. I'll wait for Miyabi, and/or another Raiden expy? XD
@ciencerec
@ciencerec 9 күн бұрын
SAME
@itriyum
@itriyum 9 күн бұрын
Genshin first banners didn't get powercreep tho, at least not Venti, only Klee, the we got Zhongli which is still the best at what he does
@rjuwuxd3012
@rjuwuxd3012 9 күн бұрын
​@@itriyum fair enough. Venti took a while before getting powercrept but man is he really a good character even when I quit around inazuma and when kazuha came. But yeah. I might wait for Miyabi or if any 1.1 or 1.2 characters pique my interest :)
@DefinitelyNotAFerret
@DefinitelyNotAFerret 9 күн бұрын
The way I SCREAMED how fast Kafka powercrept Jing Yuan
@Ixs4i
@Ixs4i 6 күн бұрын
@@rjuwuxd3012 venti technically isnt even powercreeped in the traditional sense, he still is the absolute best grouper in the game, they just made abyss immune to his grouping/not necessary lol.
@LumicchiStream
@LumicchiStream 9 күн бұрын
both between Zhu Yuan and Ellen was worth 😊
@idmss2663
@idmss2663 9 күн бұрын
I'm pulling for Zhu Yuan because of PEW PEW PEW
@jet30yblack47
@jet30yblack47 9 күн бұрын
You clearly need to pull for whichever character you want, heck you can pull for both if you want. I'm actually going to skip both, but I would recommend you to go for Zhu Yuan, alongside Nicole (and 2 Bangboos) shes the only Ether Character so far, and there are no Ether S-Rank Character from the Permanent Banner
@dexter_548
@dexter_548 3 күн бұрын
Me also skipping both early games are easy with A ranks and free s rank and we all no they will get power crept
@k-BlazeWuthringwaves30
@k-BlazeWuthringwaves30 2 күн бұрын
FYI nicole fits on any team she is ER battery
@Nikorasu737
@Nikorasu737 8 күн бұрын
I just want the pink haired lady from Miyabis faction 😭
@everydaymorning2888
@everydaymorning2888 9 күн бұрын
Skipped for miyabi and cow girl
@GGONZ25
@GGONZ25 8 сағат бұрын
ellen reminds me of when seele first came out. Look where she is now.
@akaiyoru2681
@akaiyoru2681 4 күн бұрын
Imo Zhu Yuan has a higher F2P value, as was mentioned Nicole is her best support...that also means you can put in Anby as a Stun character. Literally you only need to pull for Zhu Yuan, that's it. If anything it also opens up her W-Engine as an option if you really wanna invest. Ellen can get the Crit value from Frostbite but Nicole gives enemies the Def% debuff which might overall be better
@yukurin6653
@yukurin6653 9 күн бұрын
My only question is where did miyabi go 😢
@zawiyar8790
@zawiyar8790 9 күн бұрын
She is probably gonna release in later patches just like ayaka who was also in the beta for genshin but disappeared till inazuma.
@mio9728
@mio9728 9 күн бұрын
​@@zawiyar8790i think its more like kafka/blade
@supernieva2419
@supernieva2419 8 күн бұрын
I think 2.0 if she's a raiden equivalent of zzz.
@darko6115
@darko6115 5 күн бұрын
@@supernieva2419she isn’t lmao
@soniusGI
@soniusGI 2 күн бұрын
you say Klee had a better long term value than Venti? :O
@Benjiro9571
@Benjiro9571 9 күн бұрын
Is Zhu Yuan with Nicole and Grace a good team? I like Ellen's design but i'll pull her in her rerun.
@otaku-chan4888
@otaku-chan4888 9 күн бұрын
It'll be an all-ranged unit type of team. It's an okay setup, but having a melee unit for dodges is really helpful. Also Zhu Yuan needs stun and neither Nicole nor Grace do that. So... I'd probably put Grace and Zhu Yuan in different teams
@kiefermcray1649
@kiefermcray1649 7 күн бұрын
Zhu Yuan gang rise up
@rikuclad1264
@rikuclad1264 9 күн бұрын
The answer is Grace
@sakuma2558
@sakuma2558 3 күн бұрын
i’ve lost the 50/50 in ellen’s banner with soldier 11, i’ve lycaon and koleda who should i pull😭
@muricuri
@muricuri 3 күн бұрын
Well, if you have Soldier and Koleda, you can add Ben to make a solid team and save your rolls for future
@eldenjim
@eldenjim 5 күн бұрын
I got Grace instead of Lycaon, so what’s your opinion on replacing him with Anby for your example Ellen team? Also, what’s the most efficient rotation for generating and spending Ellen’s stacks?
@iamkurogane
@iamkurogane 9 күн бұрын
It’s wild that folks think Seele is shit now. Having played HSR without Seele and recently having played WuWa Jiyan that initial curve is so smooth when you have the 5-Star from the start. They get their reruns the fastest so your account actually keeps getting stronger with additional investment minus farming all over again for a new unit. Seele is still one of the DPS units if not the best and still clears content comfortably when built right. Zhu Yuan is hot af but if I’m looking to push vertically Ellen is the much better bet
@sarettodn5708
@sarettodn5708 9 күн бұрын
Tbf low invest seele in pretty shit, i think mono quantum seele is probably bottom 3 dps, only better than blade and yj. But sustainless seele is still insane (especially with robin e1 and sparkle e2), but not many people play sustainless and most still think that vertical invest sucks which is why the majority of hsr players think that seele is bad now.
@SomaStory
@SomaStory 9 күн бұрын
@@sarettodn5708 Mhmm. I don’t blame people for shelving seele and not choosing to invest dupes into her. Meta in HSR evolves fast and will always value building new archetypes (e.g., break, DoT) that cater to new gamemodes (PF & AS) over building older characters. Of course, that doesn’t mean they’re completely obsolete, but you will have a harder time clearing content.
@sarettodn5708
@sarettodn5708 9 күн бұрын
@@SomaStory you wouldnt invest into seele dupes anyway as seele has the worst eidolons in the game, the actual way to vertical seele is to get e1 robin and e2 sparkle and then get robin and seele sig. Vertical invest is king in this game, once you have a bunch of eidolons and sigs you can bruteforce any moc/pf very easily, much more easily than using an on element dps. Vertical invest sucks in AS though (which is one of the reasons why the mode sucks), as that mode was literally made to shill horizontal invest, that is true. I dont blame people at all for prefering horizontal over vertical though, ultimately horizontal is more fun and will still get you max rewards, for the average player there is no reason to vertical invest.
@mleong75
@mleong75 9 күн бұрын
​​​@@sarettodn5708Thing is if I want to whale out a char, Acheron and FF exist. Both are much better than Seele, in terms of dps and versatility. You essentially get 2 rainbow units, that deal with single target and AoE content easily.
@abdurehmanmalik2980
@abdurehmanmalik2980 7 күн бұрын
@@sarettodn5708 Jing Yuan is significantly better than Seele in MOC.
@timo-zoro
@timo-zoro 3 күн бұрын
why does onga bonga remind me of aku aku from crash bandicoot
@CakSindox
@CakSindox 9 күн бұрын
Skipping Ellen Joe, Miyabi + Lycaon = Vergil? Good enough for me
@chisha8415
@chisha8415 3 күн бұрын
What comes to mind is how much venti fell off. It’s scares me to pull on Ellen but idk she might age well
@user-tv4rb6ry4k
@user-tv4rb6ry4k 9 күн бұрын
idc, I pick my fav and she's Ellen
@Kunoy.
@Kunoy. 9 күн бұрын
same
@Nixonau
@Nixonau 8 күн бұрын
REAL🗣️🗣️
@bryanreyes6851
@bryanreyes6851 8 күн бұрын
Same!!!
@moonscorn8141
@moonscorn8141 7 күн бұрын
then why are you in this video's comments lmao
@bepo1702
@bepo1702 7 күн бұрын
@@moonscorn8141 yeah it's a bit weird how people do that. Why watch a video like this if you already know who you're pulling for, especially after claiming to not care about who offers more value, which is the entire point of the video 💀
@candi_appel
@candi_appel Күн бұрын
got Lycaon but fucking missed my 50/50......
@StimuluusChecks
@StimuluusChecks 7 күн бұрын
(Didnt watch the video just wanted to comment my opinion so if he said any of this mb) As of right now Ellen is the better character to pull for since her team ranges more with one of her best team comps already being in game. Although Zhu still solos by herself but not at ehr best potential since Nicole is really the only GOOD character paired with her that could do her good, so yes rn Ellen is better but later on Zhu will be better than Ellen. But this is what I would do: pull on the discounted banner I think its discounted and see if you get Lycaon, if you do I would pull for Ellen since your pretty much set with just them 2 even better fi you get the blue A rank girl. If you dont I would personally wait and see the next upcoming characters is after Zhu Yuan and if you like them skip both banners if you dont like them pull for Zhu Yuan or skip the banners and save up. Ima go for Zhu Yuan though because I like Nicole
@nanonano4043
@nanonano4043 9 күн бұрын
I love zhu yuan design, but ellen joe is my type 👍
@lightmarerbx5217
@lightmarerbx5217 3 күн бұрын
why can’t my character banner luck be as good as my bangboo luck
@komodojango3889
@komodojango3889 5 күн бұрын
Zhu yuan all the way! because i love characters with tactical suits. Like my all time fave character Leon kennedy and Big Boss Snake.
@user-eo2db5il3x
@user-eo2db5il3x 9 күн бұрын
If i get wolfboy from beginner bunner - i go for sharkgirl. If not - other girl. And no, sharkgirl can't be long term investment, when you later on get guaranteed wolf from 300 pulls. After 6 months all 1.0 characters will be powercrept to the ground, who cares.
@Cheseballmagician
@Cheseballmagician 5 күн бұрын
in my opinion the trend for mihoyo's first characters are usually better than second ones even in the long run. i mean venti is definitely better than klee still and i think seele is still better than jingyuan
@FineUser
@FineUser 4 сағат бұрын
I'll just make my account the narc account and only pull for the cops military and TOPS people :p
@CroixKaslana
@CroixKaslana 2 күн бұрын
Zhu Yuan team because her VA is Maria Inoue (Elysia HI3)
@voii0777
@voii0777 9 күн бұрын
Ellen Joe because Zhu Yuan is a boring human cop and Ellen Joe is a shark maid with a big tail.
@LilRussDawg
@LilRussDawg 4 күн бұрын
nah, saving for miyabi
@nikosleonidas1650
@nikosleonidas1650 2 күн бұрын
When are we getting zhu yuan?
@bahdarnovian
@bahdarnovian 2 күн бұрын
2 weeks
@ottersaurus
@ottersaurus 9 күн бұрын
The game also only has 3 character on a banner. This makes saving pulls even more important since it seems like we are going to get less character and less pulls than compared to a game like HSR.
@IshizakiYasu
@IshizakiYasu 7 сағат бұрын
why fight for them when you can get both of them and put them in the same team
@Mz-qo1xt
@Mz-qo1xt 9 күн бұрын
how about weapon? if i may ask
@Bao598
@Bao598 15 сағат бұрын
The w-engine? If you plan to build an ice DPS then pull for it, you can use it for miyabi too since is an ice dps, and in the CBT she was an A rank so her signature could work way worse than the Ellen
@facebookuser1653
@facebookuser1653 9 күн бұрын
Both's hot
@1vanDrago
@1vanDrago 3 күн бұрын
Both EZ SKIPS. All in for Miyabi 🦊
@Cytryz
@Cytryz 9 күн бұрын
Gee idk. The big tiddy shark goth maid girl or the other one. Gosh i just don’t know. If only there was something about one or the other that could tip the scales.
@wmedo59
@wmedo59 3 күн бұрын
Wasn’t Miyabi a A Rank character the last time she was playable?
@Anilomu
@Anilomu 2 күн бұрын
Why to pull Zhu Yan over Ellen? Cop girl has crazy cake.
@ShineMusc47
@ShineMusc47 9 күн бұрын
Seconddd
@AsthmaQueen
@AsthmaQueen 3 күн бұрын
Imma resist pulling even tho i have lycaon and go for team that synergizes with lucy i think when more of her group are released
@nofunz
@nofunz 9 күн бұрын
Shark > Human , easy pick
@SainInaban
@SainInaban 9 күн бұрын
I mean its a Gatcha Game and Im a Day1 Genshin player with No login Miss and with all these years I have seen the pattern i.e. Deluc, Xiao, Hu tao, Ayaka, Alhaitham, Arlecchino, Neuvillette. So it better to get Ellen Joe Now and then when time comes... move onn to next because they will follow the trend above.
@idonotmakevidsyet
@idonotmakevidsyet 9 күн бұрын
And somehow you forgot the most broken ice character to support your point Ganyu. She powercrept everyone when she came out.
@Kittyclysm
@Kittyclysm 9 күн бұрын
@@idonotmakevidsyet National was always better than Ganyu teams. The only time it wasn't was when they had leyline disorders catered to freeze and like slowing water to make Ganyu look better than she was. Taser performed worse, but still better than Ganyu, who had to move on to a cope melt team that absorbed two of the best characters in the game at the time. That's despite the addition of rosaria and diona to support freeze teams. And yet reverse melt rosaria was able to clear the hardest content in the game, so it didn't matter if you pulled Ganyu or not. She was never broken, and is a weak character except when hoyo forces her into meta. Venti was the one who carried Morgana teams and is honestly the best example of forced power creep because he only works when Hoyo permits him to. The difference is that he actually adds incredible value when he works, unlike Ganyu who was just baiting you to use better characters in teams they work worse in.
@CroixKaslana
@CroixKaslana 2 күн бұрын
Gacha player be lyke: i dojt care im pulling dps 🤪🤪
@cutcorners6005
@cutcorners6005 9 күн бұрын
Ellen is basically Seele. She is great but need good relics to do anything and you will probably have better easier to use units very soon.
@justjuniorjaw
@justjuniorjaw 9 күн бұрын
Shame there's no characters that's like : I want them, so for now I'll just get whoever and build them, and save up for someone I care about in the future. I know HoYo can do fun characters, it's just a matter of time.
@haziee3108
@haziee3108 9 күн бұрын
It is always a magter of time. I'm not sure how it was for you, but early hoyogame banners have never been very interesting for me. Venti and klee for genshin, and seele and jing yuan for hsr. Subsequent banners brought out bangers though with zhongli and kafka. I'm sure this game will be the same with interesting characters introduced and hyped in the actual story.
@Surge7-hs63k
@Surge7-hs63k 18 сағат бұрын
In the future, Ellen Joe could end up becoming the Seelee from hsr, but in ZZZ
@rein5114
@rein5114 4 күн бұрын
If f2p just play your free 5star and enjoy the game. Summon limited on 1.2 or 1.3 cause powercreep is real.
@zephyrion8240
@zephyrion8240 9 күн бұрын
The answer is to wait and see for 1.1 characters... It's plain and simple.
@Evan-ru6ro
@Evan-ru6ro 9 күн бұрын
no no no wait for 1.2 characters
@Marimo0010
@Marimo0010 8 күн бұрын
@@Evan-ru6ro and wait for 1.3 characters
@nicky4092
@nicky4092 8 күн бұрын
​@@Marimo00101.4 it is
@HomieFran
@HomieFran 9 күн бұрын
Both are waifus so I C6 R5 both ez answer
@IngridKen
@IngridKen 7 күн бұрын
i just hope hoyo wont go the same path hsr does, i was really disappointed spending money on hsr since every patch, older 5 stars gets overshadowed and kind of useless to use.
@RavenUwU605
@RavenUwU605 5 күн бұрын
It’s been over a year since Seele’s release and she can still comfortably clear MoC. Is she the best? Absolutely not, but she can still do end game comfortably
@Blockhead2
@Blockhead2 Күн бұрын
Money can't fix lack of skill
@sempiterno3243
@sempiterno3243 9 күн бұрын
That shark tail is disgusting
@JazzMyOpinion
@JazzMyOpinion 9 күн бұрын
maid designed character cringes me, its already 2024 yet this maid outfits is still a thing?
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