Embarrassing Burnham Alpine Boiler Replacement with Step by Step Commissioning & Startup

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Mikey Pipes - Pipe Doctor Plumbing & Heating & Air

Күн бұрын

In 2015 another Plumbing & Heating contractor installed US Boiler Burnham Alpine 285 mod/con gas boiler & didn't commission the equipment. For years the boiler started with a BANG or an EXPLOSION. Today we sadly decommission the equipment and install a new 02/2023 model.
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Contents:
0:00 Intro Drive Throggs Neck Bridge
0:50 Yonkers Service Call
2:19 Cost Effective?
3:30 Food for Thought
5:22 TruTechTools Promo Codes
6:00 Arrival
6:29 Family Friendly Channel
7:18 Electrical Disconnected
7:42 "I've Arrived"
8:28 Arrogant Caller Know's Better?
9:29 Know You Know
10:00 Always Follow-Up
10:58 She's Gone
12:01 Daniel Finally Arrived
13:15 Use the 3' of CPVC
14:20 Artie from Cardinal Air
16:26 Cleaning Threads
18:35 One Eyed Octopus
22:50 Active Faults
25:00 Combustion Analysis
28:00 If You Ain't Testing
32:30 4' Level on Stickers
34:30 Relief Valve Leaking
35:30 Replacing Expansion Tank
38:30 Read The Manual
40:58 We Are Good - Sold M12 Press
42:39 Outro Drive Home

Пікірлер: 90

@slasho6964 Жыл бұрын

its great to see peters personality change over the course of his time working wtih you. Peter has really come out of his shell and seems so much more confident since the beginning. Mind you i have been watching since the godzilla days

@scottvolage1752 Жыл бұрын

I installed a new boiler for a friend, and he called me 6 years later and said Hey the house has no heat the oil burner won't stay on. I asked when it was last serviced, and he said serviced? I could hear his wife in the background yelling at him I told you it's supposed to done once a year. LOL

@scottmaz4063 Жыл бұрын

The old neutral break trick. I got zapped so many times. Lol 😆

@mariowilson5663 Жыл бұрын

As a hvac tech I could not see it any differently🤝🏿 Thank you for all your good work

@Danimal.69 Жыл бұрын

At a certain point in life, the customer doesn’t want to save a few dollars but be free from worrying about a future failure. The customer just did not want to deal with this problem again.

@danstreebel4976 Жыл бұрын

I love the view when crossing the bridge

@Taino871 Жыл бұрын

It warms my heart to see folks using a combustion analyzer after the installation. After Every install it’s a must! Yet you will see installers plop a boiler in pipe it and not test C02, Smoke,draft and so forth. Great to see.

@eddiew.6485 Жыл бұрын

Nice job as always Mikey👍. Man that was some commute! Those views from the Bridge were awesome!

@michaelbala4225 Жыл бұрын

You screwed that guy big time, I just bought that same brand new M12 pro press on Amazon 3 weeks ago for 1975.00 plus tax and 160 for the 1 1/4 inch optional pro press

@Boilerking76123 Жыл бұрын

Same place. Check the incoming gas pressure before you adjust the combustion.

@2packs4sure Жыл бұрын

I'm confused it had a 60 you put on a 30 then find out it specs a 90 and left the 30.......

@markdiot64 Жыл бұрын

Awesome stuff Miké. Love that you get the message across about a analyzing combustion. Make the trades great again

@shaunbava1801 Жыл бұрын

Those Taco numbers are highly optimistic, they assume your heat is running far more than it is in NY. If you need a new pump no reason not to go with ECM pumps for most people they'll save somewhere between $10-30 per year and the pump is maybe $75 more than the standard 007. A standard 007 uses 87 watts it runs at one speed, all out, the ecm pump all out uses around 45 watts, taco likes to claim 12 watts but that's not typical on avg you are using ~30 watts(unless it is a low head/low flow application or you have zone valves and the pump is constantly running the thing is running at 35 watts) so you can assume you save 50w. In my experience the heat here only runs December-March, for a well insulated house the heat load is pretty much non-existent during the other months. I've got a Tekmar control on my system and can see my boilers run around 200 hours a month so my heating system runs around 800 hours a year that's like 40kwH or around $10 per year savings even if I was saving 75w it still only saves me $15 per year. Those old school taco circulators are good for more than a decade in most cases so unless you need to change it it isn't cost effective to preemptively replace them. Not defending the guy calling you out but that is the truth about ECM circs and energy savings, I think you changed the pump because it wasn't working correctly. If you're in Canada or far upstate and live in a drafty old house maybe your heat runs enough to reach that $75 or $100 in which case yeah the payoff for replacing is like 2 years and a preemptive replacement maybe warranted.

@jimmyjamesl2318 Жыл бұрын

Didn't know all the taco facts...but I knownthe $105 per year PER CIRCULATOR is INSANE!! He also has kw rate all wrong. standard residential rates on long Island are ad follows.. 6am-4pm "off peak" .9cents 4pm-7pm "peak" .22 cents 7pm-10pm "off peak" .9 cents 10pm-6am "super off peak" .5 cents

@Hvac-dude Жыл бұрын

That guys is something else 🤣 he don't know how hard we work anyways great job mikey 😊😊

@adrianlund8791 Жыл бұрын

Hey Mikey Pipes, thanks for you videos. I have a N-brand NHB-055 that was going out on E003 ingition failure. I bougt a couple new flame rods online and they came in today. Back up and running! you are the man. Thanks from Minnesota.

@jusrobington Жыл бұрын

Happy Friday boys. Cheers 🍻

@DonaldRicci Жыл бұрын

🔧 Sweet install Mickey🔧 I'm kind of guessing that my stickers got lost in the mail🤣🤣🤣

@DonaldRicci Жыл бұрын

@@PipeDoctor oh well my loss 😂😂😂

@scoobtoober2975 Жыл бұрын

DIY hvac mentioned that a high efficiency anything, parts cost way more. This confirms it. I plan to swap out my he with an 80% furnace

@alexs116 Жыл бұрын

Please wear safety glasses when using a wire wheel in a drill

@mitchdenner9743 Жыл бұрын

Yes, absolutely, those wires come out of those wheels even when new and pulling them out of your eyeball is no fun, hell, they hurt just getting hit in the arm with.

@keithN6 Жыл бұрын

The inflator would of never worked on Steve’s expansion tank because the air was rising through the water and the bladder in the tank was popped. If the tank was originally hung upside down it would of been a different story. On a side note he needs to take his cars to the car wash.

@throttlebottle5906 Жыл бұрын

also, with water on the wrong side of the bladder, even if it was mounted outlet down and valve core up. it still likely wouldn't have emptied out, because the bladder would collapse and seal the off outlet hole and the internal leak spot. how can I claim and justify my comment? by having replaced thousands of failed expansion tanks over the years, all sizes, types and systems. while the majority of them were well/potable water tanks, there's been plenty of hydronic/solar/other also. in the end, they ALL fail the same way, air leaks out valve core, past bladder sealing surface and through the bladder itself! once the pressure leaks down it starts over expanding and holding less expansion volume, raising the pressure higher or causing short cycling, which just wears it faster.

@mperez826 Жыл бұрын

Next time you’re in Yonkers, go to midland pizzeria for lunch.

@pavelspilberg9310 Жыл бұрын

Honestly Mike, in my opinion it will be great video to make together with That Master Plumber even you replacing for new unit. If the the guy is honest and real , but not an other annoying hater anonymous.

@Aepek Жыл бұрын

Glad coming to Florida, but i remember my 1st year here back in 2010. WOW, was it brutal, as only time visited Florida was spring break and Xmas time; so my first summer was an eye opener! And 1st time going into a houses attic crawl space (yes an attic can be a crawl space b/c there’s no room to move unless 2 years old and a contortionist 😉 at times…..most times😂) during summer months and went up dry, came down completely soaked and learned to keep a change of clothes on service calls for this reason, along w/ a couple battery fans, and lots of water! Also, having a gopher (yes gopher or apprentice) is helpful so you can make sure if happen to forget a tool/part, can have them get along w/ quickly help do what needs done when in an attic or crawl space above the house……cuz 140+ degrees very serious and some companies worked for prohibited us going up 8f outdoor temps were over certain temps; we’d either schedule work for diff months or early morning or late at night; and it’s normal to be working till 9 pm b/c it’s cooler or starting at 5-6 am b/c it’s cooler, just saying. Dint do much hvac anymore and so excited for yo7 to come to Florida Mike, hopefully central FL, as competition is good and need great HVAC ppl who know what they doing, imo of course. Cheers ✌🏻

@CP-up8qz Жыл бұрын

Alpine parts prices are insane compared to other brands

@utubepro7742 Жыл бұрын

A few times I’ve seen this ! The baskets clogg partially and cause bad ignition and on some Weil McLain units as well as the gas valve on Weil McLain self adjusts accordingly to air flow through basket

@utubepro7742 Жыл бұрын

Oops on spelling 😀

@dassme1 Жыл бұрын

That's funny how you said about the ink jet printers . I see them in the trash constantly. and usually it's last year's model in this year's brand new box. I must see at least three to five of them every week on the curb trash day.

@Mercmad Жыл бұрын

One of my auto motive analyser machines here has a tractor drive printer . They have been around for 40 years and you can still buy them .

@throttlebottle5906 Жыл бұрын

the expansion tanks only say to mount vertically, with schrader down, so their silly "color changing" cap can get wet and show it's leaking. it is best to always avoid horizontal though, especially on hydronic that has many pressure cycles per day/heating call. I'm not sold on that magical cap, because it can make them leak down air pressure.

@richlong4119 Жыл бұрын

I use sch 80 for water alot

@huckbeduck Жыл бұрын

It's funny to me, that of the several brands of combustion analyzers you mentioned, you didn't mention yellow jacket brand. One of their ads preceded your video, &they were promoting their combustion analyzers.

@ItsTheCostanza Жыл бұрын

I challenge Mikey to do a repair ASMR style 🎤

@michaelmorello3390 Жыл бұрын

First of all you calling mikey practically threatening him that mikey pipes is ripping people off is bad for the trade. Mikey pipes even said he would go back for free to take care of the issue. That's trust and loyalty to his customers. So shove it phantom caller lol love you mikey pipes keep it up your the man!!!

@Peter-td3yk Жыл бұрын

Landlord got tankless units..But plumber never gave warrenty stuff..so when units failed they went off of the build date.. Peoples fill out warrenties and keep those papers next to burner. Tankless units warrenty parts only.. labor is gonna hurt..

@ac-mech1265 Жыл бұрын

Hey Mike any chance the display controller is any good??? The one from my alpine isn’t functioning any longer I just have a blank screen

@ac-mech1265 Жыл бұрын

@@PipeDoctor excellent thank you very much.

@JorgeSanchez-no1id Жыл бұрын

Hey Mikey Pipes. How Are You Today Welcome To The Bronx is My County.

@comfort-calc6402 Жыл бұрын

The swirl plate deterioration is usually caused by cross contamination, was it checked?

@throttlebottle5906 Жыл бұрын

draining the expansion tanks that way only works if the bladder is intact, with only the air leaked out over time. if the bladder is bad, with water past it and in the tank at schrader valve port, then air will usually not push it out and the bladder will still raise up and seal off the water nipple, making it hold pressurized water. it's the same way on all bladder type expansion tanks from potable water(well/booster), hydronic and solar, dating right back to when the majority of them had a bolt on flange and replaceable bladder, which nobody ever replaced, because the tank was rusted inside by then and would eat the new bladder(lol). been there done that, starting nearly 30 years ago.

@01Hokiefan Жыл бұрын

Stern is still on the radio but satellite radio, SirusXM and you can catch Jim Norton too.

@mikemcloone2415 Жыл бұрын

Mike, I saw that video with the plumber using the air compressor on the expansion tank. Be fair, he didn't soil himself.

@JohnR9965 Жыл бұрын

Not keeping anything for parts? The led screen? Main brain?

@kat2641 Жыл бұрын

Man oh man that was a sweet job!! An sadly an unfortunately as of 2023 it is getting to the point in service parts? It is ACTUALLY almost cheaper to install the customer a brand spanking new unit than repair parts!!! Parts are becoming B.S. in pricing 😢 High efficiency, LP gas furnaces with dc induction, variable, speed motors are a bloody shameful ridiculous… So? The question is do we take a unit that is 50% aged out and put 3/4 of the price of a new unit or just flat replace the unit? Most logical thinking customers prefer a complete brand new replacement….. But on a side note? Got a expert question for you an I am going to put you on the proverbial hot seat here… If you were going to install a combo wall mount boiler needing approximately 199,000 BTU output AN!! Once installed you don’t want any call backs (other than yearly maintenance) what manufactured brand, would you suggest and support? I’m asking you personally which one you trust we already know Navion is a “()”great unit when brand spanking new but after a little usage? Well, I won’t say anything else to get you in trouble so they are out but I would really considered an honor to hear your recommendation Mikey Sir 😊(“edited fur a stupidly spell boo boo”)

@kat2641 Жыл бұрын

@@PipeDoctor Ok Thank you and thank you for keeping it real an honest for us! So a Bosch would be next best since basically they are the same but yet independent.

@stevesolt4036 Жыл бұрын

So were the bangs the blower destructing ?

@Takdashark Жыл бұрын

Sorry to say, but that heat exchanger looks perfectly cleanable. I’ve had Alpines with 2” of coffee grounds in them and was able to clean and get running well… Been a fan, but a bit disappointed here.

@zlo92x21 Жыл бұрын

If customer insists on replacing system instead of throwing thousands of dollars into the existing one than you replace it for them

@mitchdenner9743 Жыл бұрын

@@PipeDoctor some people just hear what they want to.

@Takdashark Жыл бұрын

@@PipeDoctor In the last video, I don’t recall seeing the burner removed and heat exchanger cleaned, gas valve inlet screen checked for debris from old gas piping. Check gas inlet pressure, static and dynamic. Maybe you did and I missed it. But a boiler that hasn’t been serviced or commissioned properly, I would not adjust combustion prior to cleaning it. I fully understand that sometimes replacing something is the best move, especially when it’s a Navien (hate those shitboxes), just don’t think that was the move here.

@tjlovesrachel Жыл бұрын

I just wanna know what he needed that pro press kit for

@kat2641 Жыл бұрын

Rolling on the floor laughing my ( booty) off I thought the same an? Who cares if it is ever used again.. you know what the value will be if few years? Backed by a video also to a collector? $$$$$ Mikey pipe and plumbing ?? Is becoming an internet icon an I could see that doubling in value .. lol or he just wanted a sweet toy to play with 😮 but I am betting my money on firstly

@tjlovesrachel Жыл бұрын

@@kat2641 fair enough… I guess what I was getting at is if you really really wanted/needed that tool… you don’t need a plumber…. You are a plumber lmaoo…or a very serious do it yourselfer that again really doesn’t need a plumber outside of “permits” and filing paperwork for legal reasons ya know

@tjlovesrachel Жыл бұрын

@@AlBracco879 lmaooo that’s great

@ThePete2432 Жыл бұрын

Bread truck bandit strikes again 😂

@El_Diablo_LI Жыл бұрын

@ Mikey Pipes Hey Mikey, did you go back to install the correct expansion tank on that boiler? You know that would be the correct thing to do. Sure that 30 might work for now, but "keeping it real" the 90 is what the manual called for. That's a quick and easy task for one of your guys to do by themselves, so there's no reason why you shouldn't send them back up to Yonkers to do the right thing. Just wondering...

@darkmaze9000 Жыл бұрын

3k canadain for the m12 pro press...... wish they were cheaper

@daversj Жыл бұрын

FYI electricity from PSEG is really $.30 per kwh if you divide the whole bill by kw hours used. The rate they claim is complete BS.

@mitchdenner9743 Жыл бұрын

We pay 9 cents over here in jersey/ jcp&l

@daversj Жыл бұрын

@@mitchdenner9743 Long Island is still paying for the Shoreham Nuclear plant that closed 30 years ago without ever operating. That debt is figured in our bill. I think that debt is only down to about 3 billion from 8 billion in thirty years. They keep refinancing it so bankers get rich. I doubt it will ever be paid completely. They will just refinance it again adding more years.

@zachstammen9337 Жыл бұрын

Damn the look ok that heat exchanger was not good, I think the client made the right call to just replace the entire boiler

@anthonyspadafora1384 Жыл бұрын

I told you when you serviced it last time, Giannoni exchangers are not self cleaning like firetubes. They have got to be cleaned at least every 2 years. After 25 years of installing these condensing boilers the 10% they save you in fuel is not worth the short life and expensive repairs. The problem today is cast iron boilers require 50 cubic feet of air for each 1000 BTUs and most basements are either stuffed with junk or the kids live there. I would like to see or maybe you know a cast iron boiler that uses outside air.

@ericbierley9766 Жыл бұрын

WeilMclain GV90+ series. cast iron primary with a stainless secondary added to the outside.

@andregagnon7044 Жыл бұрын

Peter is my favorite!

@robertpage1590 Жыл бұрын

Call that master plumber on a live vid

@sampantiliano Жыл бұрын

Nothing to do with this job but a ? my business partner and I disagree on when we have a customer that needs a chimney liner I want them to have it done then we come in and do the replacement. My partner the other way. How do you do it?

@swaterman08 Жыл бұрын

rebuild the heater and use it for future donation

@brettwing737 Жыл бұрын

I didn't get a super good of a look at the burner mesh. It really didn't look to bad from what I could see. To each there own I guess. If the customer is ok with a new system that works. I most likely would've fixed that boiler.

@brettwing737 Жыл бұрын

Wrote this comment before seeing the inducer tear down. That looks a little worse for sure.

@ThatEMOguy74 Жыл бұрын

When will you install a *TACO SYSTEM M*?

@scottmaz4063 Жыл бұрын

Is all that because it wasn't set up properly?

@beacjere284 Жыл бұрын

17:15 i saw that coupling push out!!!! that pipe was not reamed!!!! yes it will still seal fine but it does make it easier to glue when its reamed

@beacjere284 Жыл бұрын

@@PipeDoctor I have. Thank you for those services you are providing for the less fortunate. While I live in Canada I do appreciate all that you are doing with that!!!!

@jeffreykubiak5126 Жыл бұрын

Awesome don't get a customer like that everyday!

@alquimista697 Жыл бұрын

Mike you should expand to westchester county a lot of hacks around here!

@Mercmad Жыл бұрын

What on earth is a throg and what does its neck look like ? Is it like a frog ? 🤣

@stufine Жыл бұрын

aww man they took myTits comment out from being 1st :( what is this a family channel? That LWCO was a test for the learners to find

@bigcat.mattyahoo Жыл бұрын

Hey Mikey how come Peter and Daniel where their jackets all the time is it that cold in space big cat Matt soft and warm the quiet storm 2 pounds of gold you heard me!! Not a hater not a troll love the videos need more 2 a days would b better

@iliketakingshowers Жыл бұрын

Yo mike’s got giant ears

@madman1124 Жыл бұрын

Fffiirrrsssstttt :) happy Friday Mike!

@mattl643 Жыл бұрын

If you ain't testing then you're gonna ruin a perfectly good boiler in seven years. Hacks bring stacks baby.

@realestateservicessaleshea99 Жыл бұрын

😐🥃🍺🇺🇲

@timkim999 Жыл бұрын

Mikey wants tobe Clown for money so that he can get laugh people to joyfully collect coins😄 Maybe, Matbe his forefather was Clown in medieval ages somewhere in europe, check that out! and wheres his young guys daniel and peter looks like princes, so mike serve them well,,,,as clown