I agree 100%

I agree with this whole heartedly and love that you included Dooku as swordsman with superior skill to Sidious, too many people I’ve seen have disregarded his skill compared to Sidious.

@@colonelautumn5697 agreed especially with how dooku is suppose to be a big deal in terms of light saber dueling and the only ones before the likes of anakin and obiwan of episode 3 came around, yoda and mace were the only ones that could be able to defeat dooku in a lightsaber duel.

@@Jensaarai1 malgus would beat Palpatine people overrate his force powers, against force immersed fighters he would be left bare to his own strengths which wouldn't save him because he was a weasel at heart. Just want to know when you analyse malgus is it him from corusant sacking or from peak jedi/sith squad assassination malgus because I would say that emperor malgus had a unbreakable connection to the dark side that even Palpatine wouldn't be able to overpower his force shields and tank his force pushes.

@@Angelo-nd4lg I believe the older jedi and sith are a lot more powerful then the more recent jedi and sith because they had more knowledge and focused on lightsaber combat a lot more. That being said there's exceptions like luke, yoda, mace, darth vader etc and I believe Palpatine was one of them. He could've competed in a Saber battle with exar kun and was extremely powerful in the force. I think every time he acted like a weasel he was being deceitful to trick his opponents.

Unlike Sidious, Luke never assumed he would never encounter someone better than him post-ROTJ.

I like that theory. Like even if he had a private place to sleep I doubt he’d keep a boken or activate a spare saber to train when he was Chancellor.

@@AzayBae imagine the scene where the coffee person walks in, too just someone who's supposed to be in the old man spinning at the speed of light and shooting lightning LOL talk about giving away your cover

old man Palpatine went nuts from deadlines flooding his day. Things get even more exhausting when he has to train Vader. But in the time of A New Hope, he just needs to throw papers at Vader while he goes to a sunny beach.

Sidious got his distaste for fencing from Plagueis. Plagueis himself did the bare minimum to be a lightsaber master as well as learning other combat forms. He did all that simply to cover his bases and was a wizard first and foremost.

@@kronos1794 I think Sidious is still a better swordsman than Plagueis, even though they're both primarily force wielders. Sidious seems to have more developed skill even though he just wants to show off, Plagueis doesn't really take it seriously at all.

@@jameswalzer9408 sidious specialised in form 6 and 7. Though he mastered the other 5, he wasn't like obiwan with form 3.

@@trollzynisaacjohan1793 he still master all but he obiuvely got his perfence and it makes since he a speed blizter

@@trollzynisaacjohan1793 he was as rogue as a wizard can get. Always in the shadows always stalking and ever ready to unleash UNLIMITED POWAAAH!

One of the few who actually stand a chance. I agree

If it's Vong Krayt, Sidious would probably win. If it's Reborn Krayt, then the fight could honestly go either way, but the odds of victory would favor Krayt.

@@muhdaqeel7330 agreed, armored krayt while still strong compared to others is still hampered by the armor and wouldn’t handle both the speed blitz of sidious lightsaber and the power of his force abilities. Reborn krayt on the other hand I think has an edge over sidious in the physical department, arguably a more skilled duelist and without the armor hampering him could keep up with sidious speed, and while I think sidious in terms of raw power in the force is above krayt, krayt isn’t that far off from him and does wield abilities to help him hold his own against sidious. My best guess at least.

I... have to give it to Krayt. While Paplatine is _the_ supreme master of the dark side, Krayt is on a similar level, so he could potentially tank Sidious' incredible power long enough to give Krayt an opening. When it comes to lightsabers, Krayt is better. Still, I think it's extremely close so I don't know. Hope Jen likes the idea and eventually makes this match up.

I would be honored to duel Sheev.

What can't the Force do these days? xD

Force abilities: fry the living crap outta anything not rubber

Oh boy that one's going to be interesting: Sidious has been described as a living dark side nexus for the amount of power he has.

I did the same thing

Huh, not long ago I rewatched that video too. I'd been looking forward to this without even knowing.

I rewatched that video around a month ago. A lot of interesting points raised. Like darth Krayt beating ROTS Sidious. I think Vititate/Valk could beat ROTS Sidious in a pure force duel.

I want to see Jensarrai1 do a darth Sidious vs darth Krayt. He is the only sith they mentioned who could take Sidious out 1 v 1.

@@biogerontology7646 vader did, valkorian probably could in his final body. Han solo did.

Yes, they just make things up 😩

I thought this way as well, but then it hit me. What better way to further humiliate mere Jedi Knights scattered across the galaxy than to toy with and slay them with their own weapon instead of his true power? He may have a distaste for duelling, but he very much is a psychopathic sadist who revels in the ironic suffering of those underneath him. He may not need it but the sick bastard certainly wants it, even if it's nothing more then a mere tool of execution to him.

What if he constructed one for special occasions on the rare occasion he could humor Jedi

@@darkarpatron Yeah that and its probably in the off chance he ends up finding someone who some IS a real threat/challenge to him or in case Vader decided to turn on him

@@DTheCritical Interesting idea, although since Vader was made purposely weak to Force Lightning, I always thought Palpatine would just shock him into submission if need be. And the idea of someone matching Palpatine in Force power to the point he'd need to fight them Lightsaber to Lightsaber just to have the edge? Even more interesting. I'd like to see what kind of opponent would make Sidious inclined to favour the Lightsaber in earnest combat. I know Yoda came pretty close, bet Palpy would freak.

@@darkarpatron I am not saying ots likely but even Palpatine himself knows he's exceptional but he never knows who might get just enough training where he might need his full power (Luke and Starkiller are perfect examples of being a threat)

Oh yes, Luke and Leia's win there was highly circumstantial. However, the point that Jen was making was that all those circumstances did was even the playing field in their force amplification and make it a contest of pure skill, in which Luke won. Not because he knows more techniques, but because his style is actually focused and made for combat, while Sidious let his skills atrophy and was flailing, letting muscle memory direct his movements. Totally agreeing with you here, just to make that clear.

Well said!

This, a billion times ! So much mind numbingly stupid and bland garbage tailored for consoomers and handled by just as misinformed consoomers and clickbaiters. What's infuriating about Disney Star Wars is just how shallow, flimsy and rule-of-cool dependant it is : The Mandalorian is just a bland western with cameos from TCW and Prequels. Rebels was too damn sanitized and its characters too irritating. The Bad Batch is a boring Dee Bradley Baker one man show. TCW, as fun as it is, relies too much on convenience. The comics are either a bland Vader wankjob, with ZERO interesting storylines or memorable characters, or they're overcompensating for how trash the sequels are. Sure, the Prequel stuff was mostly decent, but doesn't measure up to Dark Horse.

@@yrooxrksvi7142I find that many of the major comics and novels in the New Canon mainly exist to promote the next upcoming film, show, or game.

Disney have no imagination, and they have such black and white views on everything, it's so dull

@@spongederp160 I am looking forward to a few of the upcoming tv series but it’s just hard to get too excited knowing all roads lead to that train wreck of a trilogy

He's basically the Darkside Yoda (although to his credit his raw talent and the comparatively better training Bane Era/RoT Sith get are major benefits over Yoda (Not to mention how inefficient of a fight Yoda himself is) .)

@@DTheCritical I find it strangely hilarious that Sidious knew so much about lightsaber forms, vibroblade combat, hand to hand, etc. and still chose to rely primarily on his Force abilities as Emperor. Ironic.

Somehow, the dark lord has returned. ...Oh, and Darth Sidious is here, too.

@@bluehero-96 sidi who?

@@bluehero-96 Shhh the Rise of Skywalker is not real...

I would argue perhaps Tier 1.5. He contended with Windu and Yoda and clearly had multiple reliable skills that were at an impressive degree. Most Tier 3's specialize in only 1 approach to fight any and everyone, whether style (Anakin, Kit Fisto) or tactics (Qui-Gon Jinn, Darth Zannah), or have a critical shortfall that undermines them from standing as Tier 2 (Asajj Ventress, Galen Marik). Darth Sidious picked his battles carefully, managed to over-whelm several Tier 3 figures repeatedly, and could alternate between offense and defensive rolls; I honestly didn't recognize his habits for roving retreats or frequently creating a home-field setting before inviting enemies to fight him. Furthermore, Sidious could recognize his own short-comings and if disarmed or wounded, he would always escalate to the Force and grow more dangerous than he had been with a lightsaber. He was disarmed by Yoda, and Mace Windu was a far more enthusiastic warrior than Darth Sidious. Darth SIdious might not be Tier 1, but he was extremely varied and always had a high performance output, even is enraged or possibly deranged; somewhat akin to Azula in the Last Airbender. Not a Tier 1, but definately above Tier 2's, leaving Tier 1.5 has a reasonable middle.

I would think he probably still is. He has limited combat and rarely practices, so that kinda holds him back. He's not tier 1 and probably isn't tier 2, tier 3 sounds fair. At the lowest he's probably low tier 3 (Eeth Koth/Adi Gallia/ Qui Gon Jinn level) and highest might be tier 2.5 (Anikan Skywalker/Ventress Level).

Late to reply but thank you so much for the heart Jensaarai1!!

I stand by my characterization of Palpatine as a Sith Assassin, as my belief is that Rule of Two Sith Lords start off training as Assassins and gradually transition into Sith Inquisitors. As for Palpatine's rating, I place him as a Tier 3 with a Tier 1 modifier. Against anyone who isn't Tier 1, the versatility of his technique combined with his sheer output makes him almost impossible to engage, but against a true Tier 1, his thinly spread skillset becomes a problem. Ultimately, Palpatine doesn't take lightsaber combat seriously, and is only as good as he cares to be, not as good as he could be.

Absolutely agree that sidious is only as good as he cares to be. Your tier assessment is also really interesting. I’ve never thought about using a modifier with how someone is rated. I thought the system was a bit more rigid. While the idea of the rule of 2 Sith training having heavy assassin component to it, that doesn’t mean their primary class is assassin. Characters can have primary and secondary archetypes. Like Darth Malak is a mix of Sith Scientist and Sith Warrior (to me) but his primary class is Scientist due to him focusing most of his efforts on research and development of the Star Forge tech. To me, Sidious primary class is Inquisitor and his secondary class is assassin. Thank you for replying to my post jensaarai1!

for skills you could also add mace but not for equal force power

Actually, that's my position to a tee.

The Fast and Strong Styles aren’t hybrids of the forms. Bane himself in Legends used Soresu, Djem So/Shien, Juyo.

To be fair Palpatine was dying and his body was basically falling apart at that point but yes, I see the irony.

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid. Guess Han had a point.

Poetic. Palpatine thought he was a god with no equals, only to show that he's just as vulnerable as anyone else

Oh indeed, legends is great, even the wacky weird stuff is usually interesting

@Alec Jackman 58 (STUDENT) indeed we do, not all of legends makes sense, but its still made with love of the franchise.

I personally think both legends canon and Disney canon have some great moments, but I do agree the legends canon is better as it expands the lore of star wars, while Disney canon is clearly to restrained to the movies

@Alec Jackman 58 (STUDENT) same here, the Darth Vader comics are awesome

@@willsword8100 Crystal Star for example lol.

*Key word:* _Was._ Palpatine certainly got to that level, and impressively early, I might add, but he never maintained it. While this was, of course, partly because his lightsaber was stuck inside a sculpture for several decades, not to mention his limited free time as a result of his political career, I also feel that Palpatine only got to that level in the first place just to say that he had done so, with his desire to carry a lightsaber stemming from his use of it as an egotistical exercise rather than for a love of the craft.

Caedus and Krayt would be great to see.

I think Krayt wins the first one in an incredibly brutal exchange. The Revan vs Sidious is interesting because, if Revan survives Palpatine's devastating onslaught long enough, then he might outlast Sidious and pull a win. However, I think that the chances of that happening are a bit slim. Hmmm, Caedus has greater raw power, but Sidious is a greater master of the dark side and the Sith arts in general. Could go either way.

He lost only because he was to say it, simply weak at that point. Both physically and mentally. He was unstable, basically dying. Had CW/ROTS or ROTJ Sidious fought Luke, he'd kill him as easily as Agen Kollar. Well, maybe not as fast, but Luke woukd die quickly nonetheless.

Oh, and Palpatine, the guy who is leading a galactic government and has eyes on him nearly 24/7, can somehow sneak off Coruscant in the core worlds, go to Mandalore in the outer rim, beat up Maul and palette-swapped Maul clone OC (do not steal), and sneak back to Coruscant without raising suspicion. Naw. That should have been Dooku vs Maul and palette-swapped Maul clone OC (do not steal). Well, actually it should have been just Dooku and palette-swapped Maul clone OC (do not steal), but I digress.

Lol a Palette swapped Darth Maul.

@@bluehero-96 I can't see why he couldn't have come up with a pretense for leaving Coruscant. Perhaps something diplomatic/political. He could have used a body double to fool his watchers. He is also much more well versed in deception and misdirection than his jedi counter parts. That was the biggest strength of Banite lineage. So him being able to do this isnt unrealistic to me. As for Dooku, he could have fought Maul but he was in the middle of waging a war. To add to that, this was personal for Palpatine as Maul was HIS former apprentice. Now i understand if you arent fully on board with this. So i'd like to give an example of what he could have done. Palpatine hears of Maul's exploits. He takes action by coming up with a pretense for leaving Coruscant. A diplomatic mission in the Outer Rim. Somewhere in galactic frontier. The ''goal'' of the mission could be him (his body double) attempting to mend relations between the Core Worlds and the Outer Rim by addressing the economic and social injustices felt by the people. During this time all of his servants operate on a need-to-know basis. He later finds an opportunity to swap places with his body double. Perhaps even using the dark side to dull the senses of his watchers or to make the process smoother. He uses a hidden shuttle to travel to Mandalore. He puts his former apprentice in his place and later has him moved to Stygeon Prime. After that he returns to his body double and swaps places for the last time. He then makes his way back to Coruscant. I know this is very vague and you could probably find problems with it but im just trying to convey (in a general sense) how Palpatine might have acted to make his attack on Maul be possible (and not be caught red handed). I could go into the nitty gritty but at that point i'd be making an overly long and downright horrible fanfiction (relative to what i've already written at least.)

@@ranfan1820 Well, hey! At least you put more thought into the consequences of your writing than the fake cowboy.

Nihilus and Jadus would be awesome. 2 titans of power

I feel like they entire outcome of the fight rests on a single key factor: can Darth Jadus resist advanced aplications of Force Drain? Because if he can, then he beats Nihilus quite handily. If he can't, well...

It ain't a jensaarai video without halo

Wasn’t he first named Sheev in the novel “Tarkin” by James Luceno? I assumed that novel (as it was one of the first to be published after the Disney acquisition) was written to be tied to the EU as it often references characters and events from TCW, just as Luceno’s previous Star Wars novel “Darth Plagueis” had. I see that novel as fitting in with both new Disney canon and the later years of legends continuity, so to me he has always been Sheev. In the Darth Plagueis novel Palpatine tells Plagueis that he refuses to be known by the name his father gave to him, instead going solely by the Palpatine family name instead. I honestly think less people knew Palpatine’s first name than the amount of people that knew he was a Sith Lord. In fact off the top of my head I can only think of two people: Tarkin and Gallius Rax.

But wasn't it said, that Palpatine just tossed it away during the fight?

Yeah he's definitely at the council master level. The main issues are he's over reliant on the force and he doesn't practice consistently so he can't really improve past the level he's already attained.

@@jameswalzer9408 He's no better than Maul. Maul is tier 3.

@@TheSunStudio1 Maul has more combat experience and practices more, but Sidious has a broader knowledge base. I know it might controversial to say, but Maul may be a tad bit higher because of that, but both are in Tier 3 for sure. Maul is probably similar in skill level to Kit Fisto or Ki Adi Mundi, Sidious is probably similar in skill to Qui Gon Jinn or Eeth Koth. That's just my opinion of course.

@@jameswalzer9408 hence why he relies on form 6. He uses force bases attacks in combat to defeat better duelists. Everything matters not just saber skill.

Um not he tear 1 but not the highest trear 1 I mean he butcher 3 master in less the 3 minutes

Yes I always thought of Darth Sidious Darth Krayt and Darth Bane as the most powerful Sith.

Same

He shouldn't battle Anakin and Kenobi at once between Episodes 2 and 3 but they did it in the show, despite Kenobi outright confirming that the duo fights Dooku for the second time over Coruscant. It would be fine if they had made Dooku vs Anakin only (which ther even is at some point) or Dooku vs Kenobi only, but not the damn duo, it contradicts the movies.

Why would you do that? If you're going to kill your braincells, do something fun.

@@bluehero-96 what do mean, he rips Vader's legs off literally. He then dominated a creature the size of a star destroyer. Vader could only achieve that level through rage or focus.

@@trollzynisaacjohan1793 That story in particular is shallow referential garbage. Vader gets bested by The Emperor way too easily, and even unarmed, Vader should be able to drop royal guards with ease, but they give him trouble to set up a contrived scene to start a nonsensical plot. The Emperor "punishment" or "trial" is fucking stupid. After leaving Vader for dead, the latter gets temporarily droid limbs. Which is neither cool or makes sense. Then Vader finds his old jedi starfighter, just sitting there like he parked it yesterday. It's been 20+ years, that thing would be salvaged, scavenged, or destroyed within a few years. As would have been the CIS remnants. The hyperdrive ring is also still there, and ticking, which is also stupid. Do you get the point? Basing a story on references and rule of "cool" doesn't make it good.

@@bluehero-96 except vader isn't angry. He's seriously conflicted between the dark and light. Weakening his grasp on his force powers. Vader is only stronger beyond his typical 80 percent when very angry or focused. Aka when he picked palpatine up and threw his bony arse in a reactor. Dumbest thing about was the exogol tie in. Felt uncessary and a cheap way to amend bad writing. Though I no longer feel it serves a purpose to trash the sequels. They're not great but they're entertaining for what they are.

@@bluehero-96 Though I liked some elements (emphasis on "some") of the Vader comics, they are ultimately sustained by references and character hype more than plot. PS: when they referenced TROS when I ceased to read them entirely. Being reminded of Disney Canon's Magnum Opus of absolute trash is not what I have in mind when reading about Darth Vader.

Episode 9 destroyed palpatine the way they destroyed luke skywalker. Butcher his character and he was ultimately defeated by a mary sue

@@lapplandkun9273 I'm surprised you wasted time watching any of that. I was done long before that. To date I have watched almost none of those movies outside of Rogue Squadron and the first remake that introduced that Mary Sue. Lol

No

Still wouldn't have saved that godawful ending and the entire trilogy as a whole, but would have made the climatic battle more visually appealing to me