Sniper is still... sniper is still on the cliff... nobody saved him...

Its still one of the best SFMS to this day. The Update though.....

Perhaps one of the most iconic SFMs in the History of Source Film Maker.

I really almost thought you were going to rant about the sfm.

On the bright side the sentence "too confusing for new players" went on to become a pretty good meme lol.

I'm really glad someone finally acknowledges it from a standpoint that people were *waaaay* overhyped.

I loved the SFM so much that I forgot about the update itself.

So from the sounds of it, it seems like it's more valves fault the update flopped than the community guys who were part of the update.

Tldr: More content WAS gonna be in end of the line, but valve decided: "Fuck you, I'm gonna steal your original content made by the community and slap it into my own updates!"

hope you don't mind me stealing "rant-rospective" that's actually godlike

End of the line feels more like a short film than a tf2 production. Even the recent high effort SFMs (See: Winglet) don't live up to it. It's just hard to beat it.

"Too confusing for new players" was even used for removing arena from the match making. It's such a bullshit excuse lol

Hey guys! I forgot to actually say that those Q&A screenshots came directly from McVee's Tumblr, so they're legitimate answers. If you're curious, since I don't mention it in the video, this is my exact view I had years ago when EotL first came out. My thoughts were so strong they've not changed throughout the years. EotL makes me passionately pissed, because of everything I explained in the video. The one thing I personally really liked from the in-game content was the cosmetics. I'm a sucker for winter themed clothing and EotL was the perfect update for me in the cosmetic category. I still use several of them on my current loadouts. And yes, the Flashdance Footies are my favorite cosmetic and the Killer solo is my favorite taunt.

“END OF THE LINR WAS A GREAT SFM” “She meant the update” “Oh”

The "its too confusing for new players" argument valve used is so incredibly hypocritical and stupid. They literally don't even have a decent tutorial in the game, and it drives me mad. Also, thank you so much for making this video! You always supply the best information and explaining when it comes to video essays. Truly lovely stuff and very entertaining as well. Keep up the good work

End of The Line had so much potential. Worst of all no new weapons.

Valve just absolutely loves Vita-Saw'ing important bits out of updates. Practically every time we get cosmetics, if you look on the actual Workshop, a lot of the ones we get are part of SETS that Valve only took one-or VERY rarely, two-parts of and left the other(s) out. That really, REALLY pisses me off.

The TF2 community is fantastic and doesn't deserve Valve

5:40 Still love how hydro was still included and yet snowplow was not

I only just recently got back into TF2 with my buddies after having never touched it after the original Scream Fortress update and I do not regret it considering the more stories I hear about waiting for updates or when updates arrive and are just not all they were meant to be.

You know you are early when Justin Y. Or the guy with that funny smile in the sniper are not here yet

The End of The Line weapon was "3lb Trigger", that's now known as Back-Scatter out of all things. As title implies, it was suppose to work sorta like Loose Cannon, as that you have to hold the trigger to shoot. With key difference that you have to charge it max in order to shoot at all (Since the gun has a very hard to press trigger).

Valve with other communities? Great! Valve with TF2 communities? Not so great...

Valve: what kind of idiot would approve of snowplow? Anyway, you're showing this wutwille map? K add it in whatever

I need to say this, I love these Mini-Skymin drawings!

6:33 and Wutville was LESS confusing? yeah, sure Valve.

Been loving these new vids sky

The funny thing is, the Invasion update ended up being even worse than this.

I have been following this channel since it was young, and I am so happy that its still going strong. Ever since I watched your original TF2 mod video I knew this was going to be my favorite TF2 related channel, and to this day I still think that's the case. You have improved a ton, but kept the same as you used to be in your content and style. I really hope more videos keep coming, and I wish you the best.

Jesus, it was in 2014? That was 7 damn years ago. Damn, time flies, I still remember when it was just released.

Last time was this early these types of comments were still funny

When I first heard about EOTL, I remember hyping up the animation, only to later find out it was an update once the crates started dropping. So when it eventually came out, I wouldn't say I was disappointed by the lack of content thereof. I do feel that Valve is definitely to blame for the execution of EOTL, as although it was a "small" thing that ended up big, Valve were the ones who decided to cut the content. Snowplow essentially would've "changed" the perception of the update, but not even glorified Attack/Defend was what it was made out to be. I do wish in a different timeline, this update worked out successfully, and didn't end up on the list of bad community updates alongside the likes of Invasion (inner practices of the team moreso than content) and Robotic Boogaloo.

I really love this video. It’s well thought out and concisely written. I would love to see more videos like this, wether it’s about TF2 updates or some other games changes. I really enjoyed how you went over each aspect of it the hats the actual update etc. I’d love to see more content like this.

I’m still of the camp that thinks this is good enough to be its own movie if we’re not considering the length requirements. It’s just so cinematic! And cohesive!

"oh yeah, play that sax mister mundee" -Skymin 2021

i didnt even know end of the line was an update, and just thought it was an SFM

Ooooohhh boy.... My favourite update of all time..... I miss those days When you play TF2 since 2013 you see a lot of things

I loved the superliminal music in the background

I just watched end of line a couple minutes ago and then this comes out!

I had never heard of this SFM before. Thank you very much for introducing me to this, that was one of the best videos I've ever watched.

SFM creator: I can’t make any promises Community: where are our promised weapons

I was off tf2 when that happened so thank you soo much for clearing up the fog around it for me. I liked the way you used music to express your fustration about this whole mess of an update.(how to write a map explonation part had a musical buildup.) My take about the matter is: End of the line update was sacrificed on the altar of corporate ego.

OH GOD EVERYONE IS POSTING TF2 VIDEOS. IT'S BEEN SO LONG

actually the most confusing map in TF2 is tc_hydro but luckily that map is buried deep within obscure tf2 maps like ctf_well, fastlane, yukon, standin, ravine, cactus canyon and asteroid

End of the line as the animation is incredible and even almost unbeatable in quality. its story is very creative, too and also the fact that it didn't need too much dialogues to tell it End of the line as an update is literally like any other recent updates with nothing new except cosmetics, cases, and weapon reskins but none of what the community actually wants

Gotta say, your new format is great! Also, the SFM was beautifully made, and it made the Thermal Tracker exist.

The panic attack, quickie bomb launcher and iron bomber were probably weapons that were meant to be added in EOTL since the weapons conveniently came out just 2 weeks after the EOTL update

I will always appreciate this update for giving me the pool party taunt.

I absolutely love End of the Line. The scene where Scout runs through the fray of flying trains is one of my absolute favorites. Forever love this short

I still like watching the Short.

End of the line team: So we're adding a unique map, cosmetics, taunts and weapons. Valve: *Ye we're gutting your update* Valve a while later: *secretly steals & adds their items*

sniper is still stuck in the snow someone needs to save him

Excellent video, very informative. I started playing TF2 for the first time back in 2014 but I didn't play it a lot like now, so I wasn't even aware when that thing came out. Since then, I always heard that, aside from the amazing SFM short, the update was pretty bad. It's good to know what happened behind the scenes.

The sfm itself is almost perfect. My one and only complaint about it is that one scene where the medics miles and it looks like it is straight out of one of those goofy 2010 terribly distorted comedy sfm’s

I still laugh at the title "robotic boogaloo"

Oh so that's where the "too confusing for new players" joke originally came from.

im glad the sfm short is now being the most beloved

ah, end of the line.... just a few months later

Rightly spoken about Snowplow. I like the map a lot on the few times I've been able to get on to it, hidden away in the misc maps playlist. Ugh... I personally find the sfm itself, while spectacular in its visuals (The Ubercharge shot is pretty awesome) and quite nicely shot for the most part letting it stand up as a good quality film, not very well written if it wanted to be considered an "official" sfm (In my view if it is part of an official update, it's therefore part of the canonical portrayal of TF2) which was where a lot of my gripe in the update came from. Most of the mercs aren't in character at all, and the humour of the short is almost slapstick, rather than gritty or satirical, which Fortress is known for. That all said, I wasn't aware of the development horror story behind it all, and taking that into account, means it was probably written before the becoming official thing was a thing. Cheers for the insight! The whole thing seems like a terribly shady pr stunt pulled by VALVe to effectively get work done for free, then using scrapped pieces on their own stuff and spread update content over time. Condolences to the dev team that worked on pieces involved, regardless of how it wound up in the game! Christ was the Duck thing fucking stupid though...

Hi I’m new to this channel, and I love tf2. I really didn’t know there where still people this passionate about tf2 and I’m here for it! New subscriber, for you!

Long and Short: SFM was amazing... and Valve was Valve...

3:30 "Any time there was a possibility for a high-quality TF2 SFM, I am absolutely all for that." I feel the same way and it made me want to get into SFM but my PC can't run it well. Skymin's voice is cute and the idea that I could potentially impress her has now inspired me to finally upgrade my PC

Good video, and TY for including Bagel in the background :)

I started playing the game during EoTL, and had no idea it even had an sfm :o

Never seen this channel before and I get recommended this informative and retrospective vid. Gud content

I was glad to see a nice video on my birthday! Thanks

End of the line's short is in my opinion the best part of the update and it was literally the only it was supposed to be.

Loving this new style of content! These mini video essay type videos are super entertaining and interesting!

15 seconds into the video... she mentioned that it got released in 2014 and it hit me hard how long ago that was

Very informative. I always knew there were problems with that update, but didn't realize how screwed it got. sm

Its always a good day when a new skymin vid comes out!

Ah, TF2 Video

i didn’t even know it was an update until like two years later, i just adored the short it’s beautiful

Another great video Skymin. I always love your uploads, and look forward to the next.

Loving this type of videos and the constant upload rate. Keep up the great work

They cut Snowplow and yet Wutville made it in with the state it was in

The update may not have been good but the short was absolutely AMAZING

thanks for reminding me of my favorite Merasmus quote: BONUS DUCKS! I really liked the sfm clip tho

It's funny. We'd kill for an update like End Of The Line. That's how forgotten TF2 has become for Valve.

i got goosebumps when i reallized there was superliminal music playing in the background haha

this is the best take on this update I've seen so far. great video

I dont like valves stance on "too confusing for new players" thing, I started playing when end of the line was new and saw snowplow. I was 12 when I started playing, and it made sense to me, keep the train thing in the middle of the screen my teams color. but, seriously this is one of my favorite maps in the game

Didn’t know anything behind the scenes when this update came out, so this definitely was an eye opener for me.

I actually LOVE the duck journal. Not because of any good reasons. It's just a fourth cosmetic that makes funny noises every now and then if you press the use button.

Nice to know that my comment from the Powerhouse video at least helped inspire this one by bringing up Snowplow.

I guess you could say it was A train wreck

7:10 so much pain in that voice that I had to pause it and steel myself to listen to the rest of it

My duck journal is one of my most prized possessions. Collecting ducks was so much fun, I wish it would come back, at least once :(

I love the duck journal. Not because of a freaking leaderboard. Its just freaking cute

One interesting point I’d like to talk about is McVee stating “prototypes take lots of testing and are locked down once valve and everyone else is happy with it”. Now, I know I shouldn’t really say this, but I think prototyping weapons and stuff is the reason why Valve is taking so long on the heavy update: they are trying to add weapons that either fix Heavy’s problems or improve on Heavy’s overall gameplay e.g. QOL. Since the Heavy update is taking so long, they probably are using Jungle Inferno as a base for the standard major update, and are going off of that to improve. We know this because Valve stated that they thought Jungle Inferno was a failure (in which it wasn’t, it bought mostly healthy balance changes to the game, 3 new cool Pyro weapons, 1 meme Pyro weapon, and one absolute disappointment everywhere...except MVM....) Anyways, Valve clearly want the Heavy update to be the update that makes people satisfied, despite the fact that we would be satisfied with almost anything if it means new weapons. My point is: Valve is still currently not happy with what is in the Heavy update, which is likely the reason why it’s taking so long, alongside COVID. That’s a good thing, it means Valve is being very careful on what they change, and they want to be absolute about their changes.

The best thing they could've done was add a control point map set on the actual train itself as it races from BLU mountain to RED's base. It would have a fixed time limit and you would actually watch the train make progress. If the BLU team takes control of the train, it continues on its merry little way and destroy's RED's base; if RED takes control of the train, the train comes to a grinding halt and stops on the tracks before it gets to RED's base.

ah yes.. an update i've never heard and i will commence to watch the sfm so yeah..

I almost forgot the update happened other than it starting the "Merasmus! Can we have new weapons please? Please?" meme

Honestly? The EOTL short is what makes me animate in SFM so much. I use it as a reference point constantly because of simply how well put together it is. I still listen to the soundtrack too.

i love your schedule

Glad I saw the short before I understood what the update was about. That heavy vs train song tho

End of The Line is one of if not THE best TF2 SFM ever. It's use of physics is incredible, and the Heavy's bravery to basically commit suicide for the other mercenaries is a showing that the big Russian guy with a minigun is less than a mindless Russian dude with a minigun, but instead, a heartful Russian man, who also has a minigun/

At least we got some of the coolest unusual effects. My fav being morning glory

robotic boogaloo: just hats, no content literally all tf2 updates in the current year: just hats, no content

She's back baby