Learn more about Storyblocks at storyblocks.com/Max You'll need THIS PC spec for R5: geni.us/yytJTG My Mac Pro Tested: bhpho.to/32SVICv My MacBook Pro tested: bhpho.to/3fBO5Ub My Razer Blade Tested: geni.us/EiqvT

this is how i've been editing footage for years with my garbage laptops. welcome.

2010 Can it play Crysis 2020 Can it play R5 footage

So if the R5 doesn't overheat when shooting, your computer will when editing! Yes- that's the video I needed to see - thank you!

Apple : Our Mac Pro will make you feel like a professional Canon : Hold my beer

The codec makes all the difference. Uncompressed footage, despite the size, is less work on the system. It doesn't have to decompress on the fly. My Razer 15 plays back ProRes Raw 4444 and 422 HQ 10BIT Without skipping a beat. Great video. This was much needed.

As I mentioned previously some time go, I was pretty sure that this H.265 10-bit codec would be an absolute nightmare to edit, has a beautiful image quality and lot of latitude indeed but it’s very difficult to handle for most computers, even when using powerful workstations as I do, the amount of processing power needed for a proper editing experience is really, really high. And that’s not even including color grading, masks, speed ramps, fxs or several streams on real world projects... Because 8K RAW is a less compressed codec than H.265, it’s actually easier for a computer to handle despite the higher resolution, but the files size are huge and storage will get pricey very quickly. Fun video to watch though, greetings

Easier to edit 12K Blackmagic RAW than 4K Canon Raw.

So the final price of the Canon R5 is $US20,000?

Not only is the R5 future proof, it's also edit proof. 💥✨😁

This is the video we definitely needed.

The H.265 clips are going to be a problem with older GPUs because they don't support 4:2:2 HEVC. You need a newer rtx video card. Otherwise your CPU is going to be doing all the heavy lifting. I guess this is why fuji settled for 4:2:0

just to add my own experience editing 8k non-raw R5 footage with a 2019 MBP, the editing was fine, even with the internal GPU. But rendering was a nightmare. With my top-end eGPU it took 8 hours to render a 20 minute video (only half of which was 8k).

So many videos on the R5 by people like Peter McKinnon and Matti Haapoja showing this footage and editing but not a single mention of the fact that the H.265 codec out of the R5 is basically impossible for 99% of computers to handle. On the other hand, there's no issue transcoding this to ProRes if necessary, right? Why didn't you mention that Max? lol

This is the most underrated channel I've ever seen

Thank you for the great video as always Max! I literally got the Blackmagic Pocket 6K on the announcement day of the R5, and now I'm very happy filming with the BMPCC 6K and editing its footage with no problem at all with my 16 inch MacBook Pro. 12-bit 6K BRaw and 10-bit 422 ProRes are such a strong codec to work with compare to my experience with my previous Canon EOS R. I thought the R5 will be similar to or better than the BMPCC 6K, but too bad it is not at this moment (hopefully a software update can fix it in the future). Some times I miss the Canon auto focus, but I learned how to manually focus a lot better after getting the BMPCC 6K. It's almost like getting a manual car so you learned how to drive manual. Today I learned a lot more about video codec after watching this video, thank you Max!

Please show how long it will take to trans-code to other RAW formats.

THANK YOU, been waiting for your take on this ... OMG, I need Threadripper 3970 + Titan for R5 editing?

We need the Power Stone 💎

Darn, very disappointing to see the Cripple Hammer strike again. 🤦🏻

I needed to see this. As a photographer/videographer you put so much energy into picking the right camera but don’t put into account that you have to be able to edit it . I don’t know how to trans code so I need a camera that I can shoot and easily edit the footage at a high quality

"I'll just shoot everything at 8K, then..." how quickly he forgets that the thing goes up in a ball of fire after 10 minutes.

So the new cripple hammer is the codec

The Cripple Hammer is evolving - getting more sophisticated with each new release. Overheating your Canon Camera and also your Laptop with a single codec. Cripple Hammer causing thousands of dollars in damages and metal scarring. Damn.

Another critically important video. Well done, my friend.

Compressed video is always an annoying prick to handle, especially H.265. In Resolve, under Decode Options, do you have "Decode H.264/H.265 using hardware acceleration" checked?

I did the same tests in the last two weeks, but only on Windows PC's. I found pretty much the same thing. No laptop seems powerful enough at the moment because the Canon RAW codec looks to be only using the CPU, not GPU, so laptop CPUs just can't cut it. That being said, I can get good playback in Resolve on a Ryzen 3900X with only a GTX 1060 6GB without optimized media - a setup with 32GB RAM and a 2TB NVMe drive for around $1200. I assume that you're using Resolve Studio, which has hardware optimizations for H.265. Also, don't forget that supported does not equal optimized. I suspect Canon will release an improved SDK soon, otherwise people are going to avoid buying the camera because it's so compute intensive to edit and color.

Can you please try this on the AMD Threadripper PC you have?

What about the iPad Pro 2020?

Ok. So I just downloaded the 8k RAW Files that Max used. I also downloaded the 4K Files with the lady with sunglasses on the beach. They are 4k H.265 slowed down by the camera. I put them into Resolve on my 2019 MacPro with 16 Cores, and 128GB Memory. I have the Vega Pro 2 Card. I was able to put them on a 4k Timeline and was able to easily skim the whole timeline immediately. I also was able to play any of the files immediately with no frame drops in the entire timeline The whole timeline of the 8K Raw clips, and the 4k H.265 clips is about 4 and 1/2 minutes. It was perfectly smooth. Maybe because I have the 4TB Apple internal SSD on my MacPro, and that thing is crazy fast, it is able to handle these files faster. I don't know. But, I have to say- this was simply no different than my XT-4 10Bit H.265 4.2.0 files I use everyday. Hope that helps people. Oh - And the footage is amazing. Sharp and the roll offs are incredible. The 8K Raw video is so easy to edit with the Camera Raw settings in Resolve. It's like using a high end Cinema Camera.

Having worked as a developer in and around high end graphics applications in CAD and CGI for over thirty years I'm not surprised that laptops would struggle with the processing requirement of such cutting edge file formats and sizes. I would guess that using desktop machines and proxies is going to be the only option with ANY of the applications tested since if they are struggling with simple timeline scrubbing then even your top end $15k MAC is likely to completely fall apart if you start adding any significant effects or colour grading. It does however make the whole "Heat-gate" row laughable, especially the people citing filming weddings and complaining about overheating when filming a one hour ceremony in 8k raw! The couple would probably be divorced before they managed to render the complete film !!

The reason for this is because these intel chips are not optimized properly to decode certain .h265 files, which include these new R5 files. So, it doesn't matter if it's a $200 laptop or $20,000 computer, all of them will struggle unless it is a specific chipset. What you are seeing in this clip is unfortunately the norm and the way around this is to optimize media in resolve for now or shoot 8k raw. There is a rumor the R5 could get lower bitrates and possibly BRAW recording, which would help with the situation.

downloaded that same 4k 120 10 bit footage last week and tested it on my 5 year old iMac (i7, 24GB, 4G GPU) and had no issues with it at all (1/2 res, Davinci Resolve Studio). I'm thinking he botched something with his files/storage. Seems odd how I got way better performance.

I guess it's codec problem, somehow all PCs are not able to handle that.

I remember my friend asked me why editing his GoPro Hero 8 Black in 4k was terrible on his 2014 Macbook Pro 15". I told him it's not powerful enough. I did research, and finally learned what proxy's meant: in fact, creating proxies is a normal practice in editing! Even when you edit the footage on your phone (which I have) created proxies, and scrubbing and editing was a breeze! I just didn't know it created proxies!

It’s not the Camera, or the 8k or the Footage Write Speeds, or the 10 bit, or the 422 or the Computer. It’s the Codec. The Mac Pro has more than enough power to playback not only 1 full 8k clip but 4 at the same time. You can try to playback this footage with IBMs Super Quantum Computers and it will playback just the same as on that Mac Pro. Codec is everything. That’s why 8K Raw in REDCODE doesn’t even flinch when playing it back on a 2013 MacBook Pro. This is not a Hardware limitation, it’s software.

I wanna shout really loud: "fake news!" "fake news!" but then I remember Max is one of the honest KZfaqrs on earth (Tears)

That's so cpu intensive that you need one core per fps, so Better take a 32core machine for a butter smoooooth 30fps timeline 😂

That's why I got my Blackmagic Pocket, braw and prores internal, post production is perfect :)

Me : Iam going to edit 8K Footage My 5years Old PC : Good Luck

I don't know what is going on with your systems but I know someone who download the footage and he had no problem with smooth playback and editing in Ppro

The next video should be, explaining the Why? I have faith in your technical knowledge.

The 4K clips are using the new h.265 compression. Double the detail and half the bitrate, 4x the processing power needed.

Lowering the resolution when there are no effects applied actually gives the system more work, as now it must both decode and re-scale the footage.

A 15k Mac Pro with 192gb of RAM cannot cope with this footage? And the camera itself can overheat and be essentially out of the game after about half an hour. Remind me why any pro in their right mind would want to shoot video on the R5?

Seems Canon has done something with its codec that writes the footage, looks clearly like a bug vs pushing the limits of the machines

The good thing about demanding codecs is that it drives hardware innovation :)

Try the same tests and apps on Windows and Mac AFTER transcoding the footage to the ProRes Codec. The problem is the codec Canon uses.

Just the video looking for👍

i think the problem is canon raw and the engineer need more time for optimizing the software , max did you sold the threadripper build? i wish you could have tested the footage on it.

I get that the overheating of these cameras is a big deal, but the fact that just trying to play the files coming out of them makes high-end computers like these want to melt makes it pretty impressive to me that the little camera bodies can create these files in the first place at all.

I think it needs to be clear to everyone that 4K footage is the holy trinity of processor crushers. 10-bit video, H265 codec, and 4:2:2 color profile. That will really push your editing system to the absolute limit. And RAW might be easier to playback on those NLEs because they're uncompressed. In any case, you'll always want to edit in proxies anyway.

There has to be an update coming to fix this. I mean you edit Red Raw and C200 raw easy.

Максим, спасибо большое! Нужно ждать 11 поколение от Intel для поддержки декодирования 10 бит 4:2:2 или новое поколение видео карт.

Oh really? When I made a video about that issue weeks ago, I got sooo much sh*t! :D Thanks for backing up my claims!

The only way to edit these videos is with proxies. That’s the reason why they exist. The moment you put audio filters and grade your footage the computer won’t go anywhere.

Damn, H265 is always tough but this is crazy, thought the T2 chip would have helped, but no. Thanks for the info.

8k 24fps raw is easier to edit than 4k 60fps from this camera, HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE???

After playing around with different tools (Interplay transcoder, Adobe Media Encoder, AVID, EDIUS, Resolve) the best solution on my Laptop turns out to be Resolve. It can handle the 8K RAW quite well, as well as the All-I. Export time for RAW to ProRes is about 3x real time. Using a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 and Intel UHD 630.

I couldn't help but laughing when you said you would be shooting 8k raw only. I could feel the heat in advance all the way from Brazil!

Wow credit needs to be given to canon. It amazing they have the processors than can even write those files to the camera. Black magic raw codec should become the standard codec for these new cameras. It seems to be the most efficient codec of them all! Execellent video! C300 marklll seems the best camera from canon to get for video. Best codec, 10bit, file size and frame rates.

Haha I love you. You answer every f*cking question I ever thought about.

You would definitely have to transcode or make proxies for the 4k files. 8k not some much, but these tests were done with no color correction/grade or effects. The quality coming out of this camera is insane, though.

Considering my 2015 27" iMac 5K and my Mid-2018 15.4" MacBook Pro played the 12K Blackmagic RAW demo footage in DaVinci Resolve no problem, this is a massive misfire from Canon. And, I set my Resolve timeline to UHD resolution and was still getting full speed playback with the 12K footage. Please download the 12K footage from the Blackmagic website and show how smooth it plays in Resolve. I'm really impressed and would choose the UMP 12K over the Canon R5 any day.

H.265 editing is just not realistic for most people

Wrong test. Throw all 8K and 4K 120 fps in a iPadPro 2018 or 2020 in Lumafusion 😂. Please test it. I think it could “work” (in a 4K timeline of course).

Not sure what software you monitor your systems with but I've found afterburner to be the best. I found out my machine was running at a fraction of the GPU clock speed because I guess Nvidia nerfs it whatever reason causing extremely low performance. My RTX 2060 can play anything back now. Afterburner some how unlocked the clock speed of the GPU which was something I was completely unaware of. Now a buddy of mine guided me and helped me when I told him about my performance issues and that seemed to do the trick. Now my machine runs at full 7000mhz on GPU instead of the stock 300mhz. I'm not sure if this makes sense to the engineers out there but it truly made the difference and I've tested with all kinds of footage. And it cuts through anything like butter.

Hmm this is a bummer. Didn’t expect this to differ from C500mkII/C300mkIII

So Canon put codecs that require pro level computer in a "consumer" level camera That's going to disappoint many ignorant peeps :v

Lets be honest, Canon codecs for video have always been horrible

I wasn’t too surprised Max. Those files are pretty large. Also if we cut the file sizes down to 1/4, 1/2, 1/8, resolutions then the PC has to render the file. This is on top of the processing that’s already needed. See you soon.

So, part of the reason that some of the formats play poorly has to do with the hardware acceleration currently available on today's machines. HEVC is a BEAST of a codec, requiring a lot of power to decode. It's more complex than H.264, which was tough at first for a lot of NLE's. What made H.264 become acceptable for editing was the introduction of special hardware in the CPU and/or the GPU for decoding the video. Some flavors of HEVC have this hardware-accelerated decoding today, but not all flavors. Most will hardware-decode 10-bit HEVC in 4:2:0 sampling or 4:4:4 sampling. What Canon and Sony have decided to adopt on the newest cameras is HEVC 10-bit 4:2:2. If the format doesn't line up with what the hardware wants, it's decoded by the CPU, and is typically much slower, and plays back worse.

Dude....even on the Mac Pro???

so basically, this camera keeps getting worse?! got it!

Did you select “smart” under playback settings in Davinci?

My 18 core / 36 thread Xeon + 2 x 1080 ti + NVME SSD's "can" edit 8K Canon RAW at 1/2 resolution and it does better at 1/4 resolution. At 1/4 resolution it is a similar experience to editing 4K H.264 10-bit 4:2:2 footage from the GH5.

Wow and people complained about the camera!! 😂😂

That All-i format succcckkksss!! Canon cripple hammer never lose.🤣🤣

You just saved me 2650 euros. Thank you. Now I understand codec... This is absolutely crazy. This is not possible.

Davinci Resolve timeline is non destructive. Its always best to do a basic edit lower resolution (720 / 1080p within main settings for timeline) to get pace, cuts and transitions right. Then lifting it for Fusion, Colour and finally export.

Now try exporting in 8k 🤣🤣🤣

i'm still happy editing 1080P on my 16" MBP... 8K is "nek level" on these machines

Hi Max, thanks for the video. What software are you using to see the CPU and GPU usage while testing the footage?

Wish more of these KZfaqr influencers were mentioning the post production workflow. It’s going to take awhile for NLE’s to integrate H.265

Max prefers his 8 bit 4:2:0 sony footage. Shilling hard.

15000 USD Mac Pro cannot play back the encoded footage. And they complain, that a tiny camera overheats, encoding it! How much power does it have?

Looking like a plethora of new updated software and graphics cards will be needed to be able to run and edit 4k properly. With Canons 8k and the new 12k cameras today's machines look like the old cassette tape run like the old 1980's computers.

I was hoping you would test out your edit on a Ryzen 9 3950x and/or Threadripper 3970x Windows Machine. Please please make that video to make it a complete comparison. Both would be the definition of more than satisfactory.

You don't have to plan to make proxies, the camera can record 4k proxies to the SD card while recording to the CFExpress card

H.265 is not a very editing friendly codec. It's designed for most efficient storage. I think most people always convert h.265 footage to cineform/quicktime/dnx anyway. I'm positive pretty much everything will be able to play back 4k 60fps footage in those codecs.

Diggin the beard!

so... proxy... is the way to go...?

And people are complaining that sony a7S III is only 12Mpix with 4k only 😄😄😄 The difference between this cameras and real cinema cameras are codecs 😄 H265 and other like this are streaming codecs not codecs for editing 😄

Max, do a transcoding video to show people how you can transcode this footage and get it working well on Resolve/PP. The pros know how to transcode or use proxies. A lot of folks don't know...

This is great to see, I'm guessing most people who buy the R5 will be attempting to edit on a Macbook Pro or similar, this was predictable. I'm worried about the A7SIII now 🙈

Thats why i love proress. I dont really care much about internal recording if its not proress

I tested some of the same footage (4K120 in 4K 24p timeline and 8K RAW in 8K 30p timeline) on my Ryzen 1700x 8-Core with 32GB ECC Memory and a Geforce GTX 1700 (a 3 year old system) in Adobe Premiere Pro (newest version) and it plays back fine and scrubbing is OK but not as smooth like the 1080p footage from my EOS R: - 4K with no color grade and other plugins plays back at "Full" resolution with no dropped frames. - 4K with plugins and color grade on "1/2" resolution with no dropped frames. - 8K RAW plays even at "Full" resolution with the Red Giant Denoiser applied which you need because RAW footage is always very noisy (but the clip is only a few seconds long, so keep this in mind)... Can't wait for my R5 to arrive :)

You can edit any type of files, be they 2k, 4k, 12k if you make proxies. Editing is not a problem. Try grading colors. In that case you can only use RAW files, there would be a very good test

Thanks a lot Max. Very important info. Before of you nobody pay attention.. Every time enjoy your professionalism and highly recommend subscribe to you channel

Did you check " High Quality Playback" in Premiere CC? Its in your wrench pull up menu, next to your playback resolution options, makes loads of difference!