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Ep. 10: Final Session of Vatican II

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11 жыл бұрын

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@digitographerUK
@digitographerUK 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic series - I greatly enjoyed watching this. Thank you so much for this :)
@greg2195
@greg2195 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing that.
@dinovalente2947
@dinovalente2947 2 жыл бұрын
A consideration of Vatican II using the concepts of genus and species. Without getting into the historical background, inner workings and doctrinal details of the Vatican II documents and rather relying on what most Catholics know about it the following analogy I think is most revealing: Aristotle says that the natural way of learning and coming to know things is from the generic to the more specific. Just as when we see something moving in the distance we first identify it as a body and then as it moves closer an animal and even closer a man and finally as this particular person Socrates. Now it needs to be understood that there is a difference between our knowledge of a thing and the thing itself. Our knowledge is always more generic than the thing itself existing in reality which is very specific. If someone were to give the definition of the species of a thing instead of giving the definition of the genus of that thing one would give a more precise and fuller account of the thing. In other words the more specific our knowledge becomes of something the closer our knowledge resembles the thing. The truer our knowledge is, in the sense of having more truth - adeguatio res et intellectus. This is the natural way man comes to know. To try to move in the opposite direction is unatural and against human nature. To try to forget what one already KNOWS about something in order to know it more generically is an act of violence against oneself. It would entail force that goes against one's own nature. Now what is more generic and less specific is more universal. Whereas as what is more specific is more exclusive. In the same way when one says the word animal it can apply to many things. Where when one says man it excludes many things and applies to just one type of animal. Now things that exist in reality ARE NOT generic they are specific. The Church founded by Our Lord is a real existing reality. It is something specific with its own essential elements and properties. Now the Councils, pronouncements and doctrines through the ages became more and more specific. The Church's awareness of itself approached more and more the reality of its own being. It is impossible to move in the other direction. In other words it is impossible to move from a specific knowledge to a more general confused knowledge. A generic knowledge of anything is always more confused than a specific one, just as knowing something only in so far as it is an animal is more confused than knowing it specifically: a man. Instead our knowledge specifies as we gain acquantaince and experience of a thing. This should.not be confused with the knowledge particular persons had of the Church. Ofcourse the apostles and early Christians had a very specific knowledge of the Church. However the Church's formulated doctrine was not as specific. Throughout the centuries this doctrine became better formulated and more specific. This was neccesary especially to rule out heresy and error. A more generic knowledge on the other hand is more open to heresy and error. Now, in order for Vatican II to be less divisive, open to non Catholics and ALSO IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE CONSENSUS AMONGST THE COUNCIL FATHERS, THE COUNCIL HAD TO REVERSE THE NATURAL PROCEDURE AND PROCLAIM SOMETHING MORE GENERIC THAN PREVIOUS COUNCILS. Now one could argue that the council taught no error. Entering into this debate is not easy and not for the most of us. However knowing that the council purposefully decided to be less specific and more generic is known by all of us. Can we say that a generic knowlwdge of a thing is deficient compared to a fuller specific knowlwdge of a thing? Trying to go against oneself and forget what one once knew creates the impression that one must have been wrong once upon a time. Because why else would one try to forget what once knew? Especially if what one once knew one used to think was valuable and true, a treasure to be safeguarded. How many people do we know who have used Vatican II to look back and interpret older Councils? Anything more specific than the Council is frowned upon as superfluous and outdated. But does truth age? Never the less can we blame them for acquiring this habit when this is a natural consequence of artificially regressing and not progressing in knowledge? Of trying to be less specific and more generic. I leave you to draw the conclusions
@johnkeller6063
@johnkeller6063 Жыл бұрын
Thankyou for this video. I feel that nuns should wear the habit not street clothes.
@charleshodgkinson9909
@charleshodgkinson9909 7 жыл бұрын
Pope pius V canonized the Mass at the Council of Trent. Paul VI As well as all the popes from John XXIII so not have the authority to change it. Pope Francis said he had the authority of the Magistarium to change it. He is on error, an in anathema. Which makes him a possible anti-pope.
@greggvillanueva1291
@greggvillanueva1291 3 жыл бұрын
If you are ignorant of tradition and Vaticanology don't attack Frances. Pius V and Paul VI are narrow-minded and corrupt clerical politicians. Council of Trent is not an ecumenical council strictly speaking. It is a counter-reformation council which never listen to the protestant critique. You may pray in Latin when the thunder strikes. Latin is a dead language and the faith in Latin is dead faith. The Latin in Vatican is bastard if you study linguistic science.
@garyolsen3409
@garyolsen3409 2 жыл бұрын
@@greggvillanueva1291 Francis is a heretic and and is not pope because heretics give up being Catholic and seperate themselves from the Lord, maybe like you, huh"
@chrsfrtz2009
@chrsfrtz2009 11 жыл бұрын
PAX CHRISTI
@michaelwise6410
@michaelwise6410 9 жыл бұрын
I have watched almost all of your videos on the council and it looks like you gathered every liberal commentator you could find.
@KEP1983
@KEP1983 9 жыл бұрын
Michael Wise No doubt about that. I like how liberal "catholics" talk about Vatican II and the "spirit" of Vatican II.... yet when you actually open up the documents of Vatican II they strangely aren't interested. Too much "spirit" of Vatican II, not enough "actual" Vatican II. And all of their parishes are old and dying off. And the only parts of the Church that are thriving are the more traditional sections. Even amongst the Protestants, the liberal Protestant denominations are on the brink of extinction, while the conservatives stay steady or grow. Yet these liberals simply can't make the connection that liberalism just doesn't work. They talk about a "new evangelization," yet none of them are "new," since they're all pushing retirement; and no one is getting evangelized. Liberals should be forbidden from using the term "new evangelization" and should instead use the phrase "elderly apostasy."
@ianpage2509
@ianpage2509 5 жыл бұрын
@@KEP1983 Care to show me your sources? I'm doing a collage paper on this very subject.
@greggvillanueva1291
@greggvillanueva1291 3 жыл бұрын
Yes because reactionaries are dead-brain.
@Newbruceufication
@Newbruceufication 3 жыл бұрын
For Catholics (presently practicing) I'd love to recommend an essay by someone you may never have heard of: Thomas Storck. He's got a web site in his name. People who've relied on EWTN for their take on what is or is not authentic Catholicism are (I'll say this as politely as I can manage) seriously handicapped (link here:www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=2724). Liberalism's 3 assaults documents the heretical nature of American practice regards the place of public policy of government in our society. Get outside the "Conservative/Liberal" heterodoxy that is Catholicism today. Orthodoxy as Chesterton understood it is abundant in this video series, I'll unabashedly assert.
@josephcade3541
@josephcade3541 6 ай бұрын
All the Vatican 2 catholics say it's too confusing, I don't understand it's confusing ! Or the mass is enough, no, it's not enough. You must have the true Catholic faith. There is nothing confusing about it !!! Pope Gregory the 16th 1831 let nothing of the truths that have been defined, it be lessened, nothing altered nothing added, but let them be preserved intact in the word and then meaning. Vatican Council of 1870 session 3 chapter 4 part 13 and 14 EX cathedra -- for the doctrine of the faith which God has revealed is put forward not as some philosophical Discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence but as a Divine deposit committed to the spouse of Christ to be Faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated hence to that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding. Pope Pius the 10th syllabus condemning the errors of the modernists 1907 article 62 : the proposition the chief articles of the Apostles Creed did not have the same sense for the Christians of the first stages as they have for the Christians of our time is hereby condemned as erroneous. St John of the Cross 1591 wherefore if there be revealed to us anything new or different we must in no way give consent to it not even though it were spoken by an Angel. St. Thomas Aquinas doctor of the church 1274 all those who deny one Article of Faith regardless of their reason are by that very fact excommunicated. Pope Eugene the fourth Council of Florence Session 8 1439 ex cathedra whoever Wills to be saved before all things it is necessary that he holds the Catholic faith unless a person keeps this Faith whole and undefiled without doubt He Shall Perish eternally. Popplio 13th 1896 the practice of the church has always been the same as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the fathers who were want to hold as outside Catholic communion and alien to the church whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of Doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium. Council Florence session 11 February 4th 1442 ex cathedra the Holy Roman Church condemns reproves anathematize has and declares to be outside the body of church which is the Catholic Church whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Popplio the 10th 5th lateran Council session 8th 1513 EX cathedra and since truth cannot conjure the truth we Define that every statement contrary to the enlightened truth of the faith is totally false and we strictly forbid teaching otherwise to be permitted we decree that all those who cling to erroneous statements of this time this sewing heresies which are wholly condemned should be avoided in every way and punished as detestable and odious Heretics and infidels who are undermining the Catholic faith. Saint Athanasius God's word is one and the same in the doors forever unchanged always the same Pope Pius the 9th, qui Pluribus I'm faith and religion November 9th 1846 paragraph 20 never cease to instruct all men in it never tolerating and letting pass anyting which could in the slightest degree defiled the purity of this faith. What the same great strength of Mind Foster and all men their Unity with the Catholic church outside of which there is no salvation Pope Saints sixtus 3 nothing new is to be allowed for nothing can be added to the old look for the faith of the elders and do not let our faith be disturbed by a mixture of new doctrines St Vincent of Lerins 445, all novelty in faith is ashore Mark of heresy Saint Paul Cried Out aloud again and again to all men to all times and to all places that if anyone announces a new doctrine let him be anathematized. If there is a change YOU ARE NOT TO SUPPORT IT OR embrace it IN ANY WAY !!! There is no confusion unless you're a heretic and belong to the vatican 2 fake church, there is no confusion for true Catholics, I'll say that again there is no confusion for the true Catholics the teachings of the church are simple and clear. Nothing is to be changed !!!!! Nothing !! If you disagree with this your excommunicated from the church you no longer are Catholic you no longer have a father in Heaven !!!
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