I really think if their genders were reversed, we would not hesitate to see this as an inappropriate relationship at its inception.

I have a sixteen year old nephew. If a 20 something came after him, I would be having words with her if there was anything left after my sister-in-law chewed her out. Like this reads predatory to me.

Although I totally sympathize with Kyle’s parents feelings, I think it’s a horrible decision of their’s to publicize their feelings. This will only make a possible reconciliation with him at a future date much harder. Generally if a person is forced to choose between a parent or a romantic relationship, the parent almost always loses. And the fact that once something on the internet is permanent, the bad feelings will never be forgotten. Even if this romantic relationship ends at some point the resentment felt by the disparaged parties is forever.

Isn’t the saying called flirt to convert in Mormonism?😊

This is why it's so important to train children to protect themselves psychologically and to recognize possibly manipulative tactics and to always keep an open mind listening to various voices/opinions

I didn't realize the NBA looked so closely at players' families. That's interesting.

An hour to tell a 10 minute story? Glad I can fast forward.😀

One thing I was hoping you would bring up that I saw many other people report on is there was a post made my someone he knew who tagged her when they were younger saying she was actually their family babysitter.

Sad to see his draft stock drop. He's talented. Control-motivated people target younger, naive, or traumatized people who have resources and use isolation as a control mechanism. NBA scouts recognized that he's been played and might lack mental maturity.

I would like to hear followup on this couple.....

I had a girl from church who flirted endlessly with me from the time I was 12 until I turned 18, and she was 6 years older than I was. I'm 32 now, and I tried to say hi to her when I ran into her and her (then) new husband at Walmart about 9 years ago. And, she wouldn't even glance in my direction.

It’s difficult. I’m curious as to why a 25 year old would want to hang out with someone under age? I wouldn’t even want to hang out with my younger sisters friends the maturity is different

Family is important, extremely important, filipowski would NOT be where he is without family, Utah is a family state where family values are important. She might be a money hungry woman but he is still free to choose. It’s his life!

It's nice that this episode diverged from the norm thanks for all the work you guys 🎉❤😂😊

In order to be a superstar in the church, they will have to change their clothing style.

Many nonmembers like to hire a good Mormon girl for a babysitter. I think this shows how unsafe some Mormons can be where they’re secretly trying to convert your kids while in their care!

Geesh! Really nothing better to talk about? They're happy and I'm happy for them. ❤

It's also possible Kyle's parents are abusive. We don't know the whole situation.

Maybe the parents saw the money and screwed this up for the kids because they lost out? I personally haven't ever seen a TBM wearing a bikini on social media

Ok this just seems like gossip

Shoulda seen the looks on the faces of my Dad and Mom When I showed up at the door with a date for the senior prom They said: "Well, pardon us son, she ain't no kid "That's a cocktail waitress in a Dolly Parton wig I said: "I know it dad, ain't she cool, that's the kind I dig"😂😂❤

Joseph Smith might have been a treasure digger, but this girl is a gold digger...

I don’t understand why his family is dragging them on social media. They should shut up and hope for a reconciliation in the future.

Teams also consider what their needs are as far as his skill-set. Teams usually try to pick up players to fill a hole or to be nurtured to fill an upcoming hole.

I can totally relate Rebbeca. I was always one of the last ones picked. , I was a pretty good kicker . I miss those types of fun activities , sometimes hard but good to . Do you remember swinging on the swings ? A friend of mine we use to do the spider That was always fun 😊 Have a blessed day ♥️

I have seen him play. He is very good and I do not think his religion or lack of it and relationship with an older woman would make any difference. I am going to watch him pllay and cheer for him to be sucessful. The Utah Jazz did a good job drafting this year. I thik this guy should have went much higher. We will see. I liked your show.

My heart goes out to his family and his parents. My son was married at 19 and it was really hard letting him go. It’s so hard on mom. To not hear from him after he left would have been heartbreaking. I hope this young man opens his eyes and sees how he’s hurt his family and try to make amends. Shame on her for any part she had in this.

15:49 I think the dates in these slides are off?

Would the Jazz pre dededuct tithing? Lol

I would never date a guy younger than me.

The ping pong balls decide who gets the first pick, not the worst team

I think the most interesting thing here is the family not saying anything until around the NBA draft. The person who seems angriest about it is his oldest brother who would have been out of the house in college when his younger brother was 13. (Guys in College don't pay attention to little kid brothers) His actual parents describe the rift as only being 2 years old. So likely his senior year max. I think one of the really odd things about this "grooming" thing is he's spending his High School years at private high tuition boarding schools. These are small schools 400 kids. Private campus private prep schools all through high school. She was hundreds and hundreds of miles away. Also for Chris to put this on "Mormon's" instead of this girl/woman is really irresponsible. At least have the guts to point the finger at her and not people with different backgrounds from all over the world. The girl is from Alabama? At least his parents while upset are trying not to exacerbate the situation. The oldest brother however has likely done significant additional damage to everyone and seems far less mature than his younger brother. Duke would have known about the situation and didn't have issues with whatever was going between adults. If you listen to his interviews this guy seems extremely mature for his age. He's a very articulate guy. The NBA doesn't like players with lifestyles where basketball isn't the obsession. He's not going to interview well and being a tall, athletic big with poor showings is plenty of reason to fall. I mean you'd think she'd have a kid by now if that was really the goal. It's got a lot of weird optics and angles for sure but its a big world and at the end of the day only the two of them know what's going on. GLTA

Reminds me of Shannon Gardner with the Stamping Up company money who turns against her “young” former husband and contracts to have him killed. Maybe his parents read about that case and got scared by it.

It sounds like the Mormon church paid someone big money to pick him for the Utah Jazz at 32, so that Utah can have a pro sports Mormon face.

Wow it’s crazy how social media can effect you these days. So glad I was born when a potencial employer cannot see my past.

Maybe Kyle's family sucks too? 🤷‍♂️

you know i find it funny how the main damaging evidence photo was left out which was a Picture showing Kyle and Caitlin and Caitlin's brother and Kyle's Brother's when Kyle was 13 which says spending time with my cousins...which was not saying they are actually cousins it was a statement of saying they're like family where they say oh this is my cousin even though not blood related...so when Kyles mom Becky says Caitlin is 28 that means Becky knows Caitlins actual age 28 since Caitlin has been around Kyle since he was 13-14 years old.

Rebecca, I'm a night owl. I loved it when I worked second shift. Either 4 pm - midnight or 6 pm - 2 am. I would fall asleep around 4 am, wake up get coffee because I was no longer LDS, and do the whole thing over again. Ok, and my ex always worked first shift, 6 am. I could never wake up to make him breakfast.

Good story and well-presented. She does seemt o me like the classic gold digger. I hear wedding bells and a child to follow.

Why didn’t Jazz pick him in first round?

She turned blonde after HS over night?

Well you know the song about older women Landon 😊

When I was seventeen, I went out with college age guys on occasion. In my mind 23 was my limit. My family is LDS. Also did the girlfriend cause the loss of money or did his family cause the loss when they posted the private lives of their son on social media?

Flirt to convert. Anyone that's not under Satan's influence can see what god would encourage deceit. Any covenants made through deceit wouldn't be valid for Heavenly Father.

I’d like to know how they met

Flirt to convert or groom to doom? Discuss. Still watching but how did their circles even intersect?

This .... Isn't a story....not a Mormonism podcast story yet. The only thing is that the parents cry that their son has been Mormon brain washed, but we don't have compelling evidence yet. Can we hold off on these stories till they rise to an appropriate level of relevance?

I'm sure the Mormon church is happy to support him with his 7 figure prospects and their 10% tithe 🤔

Scientologists just sorry they didn't get there first.

I thought Mormons in general were a bit more modest. All of the Mormons that I know definitely do not wear bikinis like that.

1-star soap opera, if you ask me.

So if this happens with somone of a different religion? Would you care?Or would you change the title of your podcast?

I think this girl needs to go full morman and stable two or three players. If Joseph did it...why not her😊

It is very easy to manipulate a young mind, and even easier if it is a hormonal teenage boy. It is the adults responsibility to break up contact, because they should know that it is unhealthy. The brain doesn't fully develope for about 25 years. He is a kid in my eyes and she holds the power position here. Honestly the way I understood it she still grooms him. And if she really loves him, she should've been the adult and not engage in these feelings. I don't know if it is true that she was the familys' babysitter, but I'd be grossed out if it where.

I’m sorry, but if he was born in 2003-then he would be 19 or almost 19 in 2022, not 17.

Ok. you can it's grooming, which is an overstatement and offensive to actual people that were groomed, so what? The people in this podcast acted like the church teaches this which is far from the truth.

Never ever bad mouth the girlfriend/wife. If the parents want a relationship, apologize. Embrace her.

I cannot, for the life of me, see what business this is of yours or anyone else.

Lol, I'm sorry but this is to funny. I live in Utah and I am a non active Mormon. They have many things that I don't agree with, but mostly this is the typical stereotype stuff that the rest of the country has about Utah and Mormons in general. A lot of people think they are some weird cult or something. Truth is it's just another religion that most people don't understand so that makes them a strange cult. Utah has many religions, were not all Mormons. Sorry to say but some people just need to get over it and themselves. They seem happy! Just leave em alone lol.

Okay. You guys are really having me stroll down memory lzne. Back to high school 66 or 65. Peggy and Greg. Peggy senior. Greg sophomore. Anyway we're going who is this child. She's like i cant shake him. Today they r grandparents of 12 or so. Ok that worked out....

I just wonder what your motive was for making this postcast as to explain why you think his draft stock went down or as antimorman message?

Filipowski might have dropped partly because of iffy defense in a rim-running modern NBA, but if these rumors over grooming made him fall further, other teams' qualms are the Jazz's gain. If every NBA player who had been pursued by gold-diggers were ostracized, the NBA would be a lot thinner Looks like Filipowski is not returning the favor to his family who shamed him over this seeming nothingburger. She started pursuing him when he was 17, but he could dump her now if he's not into her. Does the name Karl Malone ring a bell? He hooked up with a teenager, decades ago. A 24-year-old woman pursuing an 18-year-old, pure motives or not, isn't the most extreme out there. Oh and Givony = Give-ah-knee, but whatevs. Might be good to quickly check pronunciation before podcasting. It takes seconds.

SMH! You obviously know nothing about the NBA. Teams will draft by need or best player available. Players fall all of the time. Why did the Jazz draft Collier at 29? He was the best player coming out of high school and should have been drafted in the top 5. Way to make a mount out of a molehill! Except for Bronny James, who a person has or is in a relationship with has nothing to do with why a person is drafted.

Her outfits are certain to entice a 16 yr old male.

By the look on his face, her mouth has been full since she first got his attention.

Give me a break! If he was 26 and she was 20 no one would think anything of it, but as it is, you do a whole episode about it. I'm kinda disappointed in you. Just because traditionally the man is older in a hetero relationship doesn't mean it can't be the other way around. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Are you suggesting that our LDS Mormon Church is sabotaging his NBA Draft because the Church doesn't think he is living the standards of the Church, by marrying an older woman?