Ep7: Reef tank biofilter for a stable, long term reef aquarium

Ep7: Reef tank biofilter for a stable, long term reef aquarium - The BRS/WWC System

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BRStv - Saltwater Aquariums & Reef Tanks

5 жыл бұрын

Do you even need sand for biological filtration? Today Ryan explores a variety of bio-filtration approaches from dry/live rock to sand, as well as how we plan to harness ceramic media for the BRS/WWC Hybrid Systems!
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@bonesawarm6987 3 жыл бұрын

I run my 100G reef on 2 canister filters and a hang on skimmer and it’s been going brilliantly for 5 years now....

@abyssreefing 2 жыл бұрын

That’s debatable

@Schaelarren 2 жыл бұрын

31:03 that's the most talented fish I've ever seen :P

@BRStv 2 жыл бұрын

😂 Have you ever seen the BRStv video where the cars were driving backwards 🤔

@evaneversole8546 5 жыл бұрын

You guys made me the reefer I am today you guys are the most helpful and have the best site online I am only 15 and when I watch your videos I am happy about my tank because I follow all your ideas and it made my tank so successful

@cprdnick81 5 жыл бұрын

Everyone seemed to be ging to bare bottom 20 years ago as well. I'm on the same DSB I started a decade ago, and will likely never go bare bottom. It just depends on your goals.

@dramad2974 5 жыл бұрын

I got sand, lol. I siphon it every week. Only part of siphoning that I hate is the siphon tube smacking corals and making accidental frags. Curious what my ammonia is at, your right I haven't tested ammonia since the tank finished cycling. Dry rock for the win! Awesome and very informative video, thank you for your time, dedication and putting this out there for us reefers to enjoy.

@carrasquel1978 5 жыл бұрын

Haven't started, But this info is superb!

@jasonvanuk 3 жыл бұрын

You and team are just awesome for a new reefer like me - 💪👏👏🙏👏👏

@semajigebo 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome, informative video!

@allmightygreat1892 5 жыл бұрын

great content. thank you for all your efforts.

@kevinhayes3146 5 жыл бұрын

I'm definitely going with the "dead rock" long term cured method on the new setup. I have had too many tank fails in the past. My next tank will get the best jumping off point i can give it.

@JheregCG60 5 жыл бұрын

My pistol shrimp literally moves the entirety of the sandbed around at least once a month, he will just go on a tear randomly and will change the depth of the bed from 1-4 inches. The tank has about 220 square inches of bottom and he could likely do more, bigger tanks would just need more shrimp!

@BonkersAboutAlice 5 жыл бұрын

Great knowledge

@fromdburg 5 жыл бұрын

It would be awesome to see if “pumus*” stones like pond matrix would out perform marine pure/ceramic media. Pond matrix is cheaper

@Underdog72B 3 жыл бұрын

I've had a pond since the 80s. Everything is cheaper !

@focusgame4636 5 жыл бұрын

Hi BRS, fantastic series, congratulations. Please include the caption in the videos (please). It will help people like me who have no fluency in English and use this feature to follow the videos. Thank you very much!!!

@ryanrich06 3 жыл бұрын

There are 2 types of bio bricks, one for aerobic and one for anaerobic. One is meant for high flow areas and the one with the nubs on the bottom is for low flow. Mad Hatter has a video all about those bio bricks.

@aquariumrecifalmapassionar3184 5 жыл бұрын

*VERY NICE*

@theloadungdock 2 жыл бұрын

Great I was going to use sand and then bare bottom and back to sad about 4 times watching this

@pedrovfg 5 жыл бұрын

We want international shipments 😎😎✈🛸

@stevenbolton3479 5 жыл бұрын

Oh my god it would be the best thing ever!

@jestronixhanderson9898 4 жыл бұрын

You betchya, however that would piss off local channels

@Penofhell 4 жыл бұрын

@@jestronixhanderson9898 local channel will just have to get their shit together. Selection is limited and availability spotty at best, costs are high... Having some competitor get in to break the status quo is always good.

@rpeebles 5 жыл бұрын

Have been thinking about adding a 100 gallon (maybe 300) tote with live rock and a small amount of sand and keep it covered. It would be separate from my sump or fuge and would be piped off my return line. In this way I am hoping to gain the biological benefits and add additional water volume for stability. Perhaps it will eventually be full of sponges as well which always seem to benefit sponges. Just trying to find the space in my "fish room" right now.

@AgustinNoble117 5 жыл бұрын

I'm really loving the rock you guys used. Do you guys sell rocks like this?

@philhulkes8659 5 жыл бұрын

I've been reading up on the bacteria like microbacter 7 and was wondering if there's benefit to dosing regularly in established tanks as there's so much said about degrading bacteria strains and die off clogging ceramic media's, the bacterias claim that they offer different strains and can combat waste and uneaten food

@stevegilbert3679 2 жыл бұрын

Well I stay at in fort Lauderdale Florida or Oakland Park there's a Publix and there's Walgreens next to 7-Eleven they got a car and roof still there too they got some live rocks there too

@eliavedri7876 5 жыл бұрын

I know sand has its advantages and disadvantages, but I do not like the look without sand or aragonite, it just seems too artificial appearance to me. For me a layer of 40mm aragonite works great and looks great, not cheap but for getting the look and design that I want then I have to pay :)

@hihowego4133 5 жыл бұрын

Nothing beats the Gulf of Mexico live rock(( I should have bought)) 20 years ago. 😒 That shit was amazing.

@osmium3691 5 жыл бұрын

You didn't talked about larger particle substrates. I use crushed shells in my tank and the pieces are large enough that I can have as much flow as my coral can handle without blowing it around. There's also plenty of room between the particles for oxygen to diffuse down into the substrate. I get a ton of extra surface area in my tank which is important for me because my tank is 5 gallons!

@Isaac_gaming1210 5 жыл бұрын

everyone avoids crush coral and shells for substrate because no one likes the look and over time (not that long) its worse than sand causing high nitrates and bad water quality by trapping lots of waste. theres other options for substrate that are larger than sand (pink fiji sand) so it wont get blown around and still have the nice look to it.

@timothypullano1409 5 жыл бұрын

BRS team interesting question: I agree 100% with your thoughts on bare bottom being significantly better for a variety of reasons which is not limited to being a nutrient sink and elevating flow. To what extent can bare bottom tanks be run with select species of fish? My primary concern here is with Mandarin Gobies who need a significant pod population to survive in very large systems. I am hoping to set up an 8 foot system in the next year or so and am aiming to add a Mandarin 18 or so months after establishment. Is sand a limiting factor for this fish?

@mozby76 5 жыл бұрын

Hey the aquascape in the tank behind Ryan is awesome. Can someone tell me what specific type of rock is that? Thanks!

@billydanzz 5 жыл бұрын

I think the long term plan with my sand bed will be to just remove the old sand, small areas at a time, and dry it out, vinegar-rinse and replace it or just replace it with new sand on a bi-annual basis. Removing sand that's just 2 years old shouldn't run too much risk of bombing the tank and there's enough space between my rock-scape and the back of the tank to access the "toilet" that's back there!..lol. This might be a good compromise if you're willing to put in the extra effort in order to keep the aesthetics of sand.

@goodall1bay 5 жыл бұрын

I don't keep sand in the display and haven't for years. I have however wondered about using live sand in the sump. perhaps in a tray, with only about 1.5" and vacuum it regularly. I think it would be a good alternative to live rock or marine pure blocks, as it would probably be as dense as the blocks and take up less open area than rocks. what do you think?

@Justthemow 5 жыл бұрын

What about the Florida farm rock is that stuff good they take dry rock and drop it off in the Florida coast on leased ocean floor

@catherinebelek9638 5 жыл бұрын

What kind of mat is in the bottom of the tank?? Id like to go with no sand and like your look.

@keithstie 3 жыл бұрын

This was the shelf rock aquascape that i was talking about and wondering if you had a setup video on.

@BRStv 3 жыл бұрын

Not on this particular aquascape, but here is a great video on a similarly done aquascape kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hpqfn9thzKzLgIE.html

@keithstie 3 жыл бұрын

@@BRStv Oh yea, that was a pretty cool one!

@kryten93 5 жыл бұрын

Lol @ the backwards swimming powder tang at 31:04...

@lauramullan319 5 жыл бұрын

Porpoise Hork i

@PalJoey-rm2yh 5 жыл бұрын

What about sand with a reverse flow under gravel filter for added bio surfaces and zero accumulation of detritus? I've used such systems for both salt and fresh water with 0s registered on ammonia/nitrite/nitrate tests.

@cezar050681 5 жыл бұрын

For how long are you gonna cicle the 750xxl and will it be with the lights off or on? Thank you.

@atfinthehouse8631 5 жыл бұрын

Trying really hard to duplicate things here in my Red Sea Max 250. Acros are one of the ones still not quite there with.

@sethwilliamson 5 жыл бұрын

I'm a bit surprised you didn't visit the sustainability / environmental impact argument concerning wild live rock, rock placed in the ocean for curing/seeding, mined rock, and man-made rock products.

@lisafoster4468 Жыл бұрын

You may want to mention - NEVER add two different denitrifying bacteria products the same day. I absentmindedly did this once - I was overtired - and by morning all my fish were dead.

@saml8119 5 жыл бұрын

I am building my new system and still planning some final details. I would really like to go bare bottom for the reasons you mention in this video. My biggest concern though is that I really like wrasse fish and many of them like to hide in the sand. Is it cruel or will it affect the life of the wrasse fish if it is kept in a bare bottom tank?? Thanks for the help!

@saml8119 5 жыл бұрын

BulkReefSupplyCom thanks so much for the response!

@Reef_Ninja 5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking about going bare bottom as well, where can I get that black bottom cover? Does BRS sell this?

@dramad2974 5 жыл бұрын

Starboard. It is usually avail at acrylic retailers or online shops like tap plastics or even places like Amazon has companys that will cut to size desired

@billydanzz 5 жыл бұрын

I think the introduction of ABS material that's white in color would be a good idea for going with the bare-bottom approach. The white ABS bottom would have light reflective properties, and visually should be a convincing alternative to sand. What do you guys think???

@ryanbatcheller394 5 жыл бұрын

All turns purple :)

@billydanzz 5 жыл бұрын

Agreed....but until it becomes purple....Here's a good example of what a white bottom will look like. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jL57ib2Yus7SnoU.html

@wenner0101 5 жыл бұрын

#AskBRStv How do you all feel about cycling media before putting it in a tank, or using media (rocks, sand, ceramic media, etc.) from an existing tanks to speed up the cycle or "instant cycle" a tank? I have heard people swear by this as a method of getting at least some fish in the tank quickly, this would be great for those of us who don't like explaining to our significant others and house guests why we have a giant box of water sitting in our house with nothing in it.

@cedricsilvinoz 5 жыл бұрын

Ryan please give me a review about maxspect bio blocks..

@ausreefguy5362 5 жыл бұрын

there better then brightwell & marine pure imo.

@cedricsilvinoz 5 жыл бұрын

U r Telling maxspect is better than those two ?

@evaneversole8546 5 жыл бұрын

What if you mixed sand with epoxy or some sort of glue and put it in there before it cured and made sure it looked natural.

@ScottSmith-cx1sp 5 жыл бұрын

I was always told that the protein skimmer should be before the refugium

@bamabruiser 4 жыл бұрын

I believe that in the Triton system the protein skimmer is supposed to be downstream of the refugium.

@andrewaxel 3 жыл бұрын

it’s supposed to be

@Mike__B 5 жыл бұрын

So in the process of setting up a tank, have a tub of rock that's been curing (this is rock that has been bleached dead, so no breaking down of dead stuff) in a container for many many months. However I really want to build structures out of it using eMarco or some other product, now this requires the rock to be out of water and to dry out of water, so am I just wasting time keeping it in salt water? Will any bacterial colonies that have built up simply be mostly dead by the time my rock structures are finished?

@bluemartian9 5 жыл бұрын

I filled my tank with sand, then water, and added wet live rock from LFS and had no issues. Just did my aquascape underwater. But I didnt use Epoxy, they just stacked in a really sturdy manner.

@bluemartian9 5 жыл бұрын

If you wanna epoxy them all together, do it dry. Don't worry about the bacteria, just use some bottled bacteria it works good.

@raulmejiajr 5 жыл бұрын

How much rock did you guys use?

@dereefer6834 5 жыл бұрын

Barebottom👍🏾

@spudbuilt4308 4 жыл бұрын

crushed coral is what I use.. use it please use it

@spudbuilt4308 4 жыл бұрын

i also don't care for sps

@hamooche 5 жыл бұрын

Bare bottom is the only way to go for long term tanks!! I never have sand in any of my tanks:)

@wartownnano-reef3127 5 жыл бұрын

What tank is that at 14:45?

@kaisfullerton1348 5 жыл бұрын

What height have you guys hanged the lights at

@kaisfullerton1348 5 жыл бұрын

BulkReefSupplyCom love to see how it all goes and don’t mind me asking at that height what have you guys set your out put at

@kaisfullerton1348 5 жыл бұрын

BulkReefSupplyCom yeah fair enough look forward to it

@kreshnikvllasa6401 Жыл бұрын

What’s that thing at 5:50?

@bradleyburdett5361 4 жыл бұрын

I had a snail called a turbo snail that would keep my sand in good shape

@gold3nrul311 5 жыл бұрын

when he says "sand" he means sand "and gravel" right?

@epicnas12342 5 жыл бұрын

How comes you have gone for a maxspect gyre on the reefer e170 as opposed to 2 pumps?

@christianguzman9178 4 жыл бұрын

13:25 Anyone know what is the name of that sump? I need it! Lol

@BRStv 4 жыл бұрын

That is a Vertex sump. Unfortunately, Vertex is no longer in business.

@jean-francoisquesnel1858 5 жыл бұрын

The problem with the sand everyone face is because you take a too coarse sand. Take a sugar sand like the CaribSea Aragamax Sugar-Sized Sand 0930 and you will never have brown stuff in the sand. After 10 years my sand is completly white when disturbed and I never used a siphon. Also, about water flow, wait until the biological film gets established on the sand and then you will be able to crank those powerheads.

@muffemod 5 жыл бұрын

If the sand isn't moving then you don't have enough flow.

@jean-francoisquesnel1858 5 жыл бұрын

@@muffemod 2x mp40 cranked to max in reef crest mode in a 120g 5feet so up to 75x flow

@muffemod 5 жыл бұрын

@@jean-francoisquesnel1858 I run 2x mp40 cranked to max in 40g breeder. Get your flow right SUCKA!

@leel6429 3 жыл бұрын

Regretting loading my new tank with sand after seeing this video. Im new to the hobbie.

@BRStv 3 жыл бұрын

Sand is still a great source of biological filtration. It's a little more maintenance, but will be easier for a new hobbyist in that first year or so.

@pp4009 3 жыл бұрын

0:13 what size aquarium ?

@BRStv 3 жыл бұрын

The display is 160 gallons. It's a Red Sea XXL 750

@nhall00195 5 жыл бұрын

Surprised you guys are still recommending marine pure. Released so much aluminium in my tank. I also had the brightwell break down 😡. Now using maxspect...only product I’ve liked

@ausreefguy5362 5 жыл бұрын

i also use maxspect .. no breaking down here 6+ months in and they are still solid and as good as the day i bought them.

@GoldenPants64 4 жыл бұрын

What’s your opinion on maxspect now? I recently got a stingray for my 250 and it’s throwing everything off and was debating marine pure till I found out about the aluminum. Not sure if it’s even an issue for me but if I can avoid it that’s good too.