Right. Like she was jus so focused on one thing that she wasn’t actually thinking about everything tht happened between Nate and Maddy, including herself

Yesss people forget this as well !! And also maddy and Nate were an on and off couple makes them super off limits

THANK YOU!!!!

I agree it’s messed up but did Cassie know anything about Nate assaulting Maddy? I don’t think Maddy ever ever mentioned it to Cassie

@@Kirsten4260 she does lexi told her when the police showed up to school in s 1 !!

unfortunately realistic too lmfao the shitty men i know use the same logic

@André Coelho Yeah I personally think he was just trying to gaslight her, not try to make her feel better

@André Coelho i think it’s reflex from when they were dating. remember how in s1 he’s presented as blowing up on her then expecting her to comfort him before he “comforts her.” that’s why he leaves shortly after bc he remembers she’s no longer his gf, and since she doesn’t have the tape anymore in his head she’s no longer his problem either.

thats exactly what my brother does

its cause plenty of dumbass guys actually do that. it feels way too real tbh.

love Suze🙏🙏

@@claire8099 literally same lol

Suze supremacy 🥰

I would even go as far as to say the best one

Absolutely, I feel like it shows more of the dark side of not only a person addicted to drugs but also a teen addicted to drugs. Also Zendaya’s performance is phenomenal

episode 5 and the two special episodes are my favs fr

YESS

@@ariyatabassumabdullah1143 yesss. I love those and the Halloween episode in season 1

It honestly made absolutely no sense. I was really confused about that scene cus they don’t think her character would actually break up with a person like that. Like I’d believe she’d break up with him in a mean way but not like that. That shit blew me

Kats been mean and superficial the whole show. She left her friend at her lowest point to give some random dude head. The list goes on and on.

@@TheStacyJamesShow amen

For sure. It felt like Kat did a complete 180 and went straight back to treating Ethan like shit like she did in season one before they had that break through at prom. They ruined all the progress and character development that Kat made by the end of season one and I hate it.

There is literary a scene in the 3 episode of the first season when she talks to the principal in the same exact way

yea i feel like this whole time jules has never rly did anything to help bc she wanted her and rue’s relationship to like still be good yk? and her finally telling her mom is like “ok i’m not thinking abt our relationship no more im thinking abt you and ur well being” yk? idk

that’s the one thing that jules did that i agree with. Ik how i would feel if someone had told my mom about my addiction but ik now that in the end someone telling my mom would’ve pushed me to get better and get help if that makes sense? I never would’ve told my mom and neither would rue

Literally the only right and great thing Jules did was telling the mom. Anyone worried would if their girlfriend was killing themselves with drugs. People are blaming Jules for flushing the drugs, I know there were other things they could’ve done but she doesn’t even know the 10k deal, Elliot does and he didn’t even stop them or tell anyone

Yeah although it is drastically different from how she behaved the episode before that. Telling her mom was the right thing to do though. Going there with Elliot in his clothes on the other hand, not the smartest idea. She should have gone alone

@@teashlee521 what you’re saying definitely makes sense and comes from a place with good intentions, but 9 times out of 10 that just doesn’t work, because you will be met with resistance and whoever you’re talking to might do everything they can to prevent you from doing that. even worse, they may end up hurting themselves further before you get the chance to tell their parents. jules definitely did the right thing telling rue’s mom right away. the parents are the best chance at getting real help. i had a very similar experience to jules where i had a friend intending to commit suicide one day, but i immediately contacted their parents to relieve the situation. we haven’t talked in years, but they’re still alive, and god knows what would have happened if no one contacted whoever was closest to them at the time to stop them.

you articulated my very same writing criticism so well.

Yeah he doesn’t really touch on race at all which would be a big part of both characters lives.

McKay's character as a whole really cannot be touched upon because it has one fatal flaw: McKay is in college. The rest of the show is set in high school, and having a college student more associated with high schoolers would provide a pretty off-putting experience. They are parallels of each other and once Cassie and McKay broke off, what could you really do for his character? Especially now that Cassie has her own arc with Nate.

the cast members also spoke out about sam’s behaviour on set- that he would come to set without any prepared material and resort to making it up as filming went along. they said it really inconvenienced all the staff as it caused filming to take much, much longer than needed.

Show is based on a Israeli show called euphoria,

I hope Storm (Gia) get one, everytime she has a scene I just get chills and almost burst into tears

@@Bo_Boodi she literally just stands around a corner and cries 90% of her screen-time like i like her too, but an EMMY is reaching by a lot

@@safae2724 that’s why I need a Gia and mom episode because we don’t really know them

@@Bo_Boodi she's not getting an emmy for her many ugly facial expressions lol

guess what? you were absolutely right. she absolutely deserved it as well

Not me forgetting that her name is Ruby

@@abbywolffe4114 not me just finding out her name's not rue

@@abbywolffe4114 WAIT WHAT? NO WAY WHAT

Wait that's her name? Sounds like an old lady 😂😂

NOT THE GOVERNMENT NAME LMAOOOOOOO

Ive yet to see anything where Zendayas acting was bad

Imo she's gotten so much better overall especially in this role. Though if you compare her to let's say spiderman homecoming there's quite a difference. Imo at least

Period,imo she's a great actress who is serviceable in roles that have the writing and direction that plays into her strengths that's where she shines the most

you're so right, zendaya truly outdone herself in both episode 4&5, I was literally glued to the screen, barely breathing, in awe of her performance

Same Everyone Did Sooooo Fucking Amazing

Nate is so much worse than jules, jules never blackmailed people, beat up a person almost to death, sent an innocent man to jail, abused rue or hold a gun to her head like idk why people compare nate to jules 😅

Nah jules ain't that bad but I agree rue and jules don't belong together

Jules ain't even that controversial like they think she is, she just cheated , 80% of the characters of the show have done WAY worse things

nah jules deserves it she knew exactly what she was doing she a cheater and doesn’t love her and she still hasn’t told rue but elliot needs to be held accountable to not just jules tho but fans getting mad her but not munipulitive ass elliot

I think it came across as disingenuous bc we know cassie and rue aint friends 😂😂

I think she took it from her mother and the aa slogan of one day at a time, like she never had any beef with rue she was kind of out of place

I know she wasn’t trying to be rude and people mean well when they say things like that, it’s just not a great thing to say. Kind of like when a loved one dies and someone says “they’re in a better place now.”

@@lindseystein9676 the idea of what happens after death scares me more than the idea of death itself, so if someone said "they're in a better place now" when a loved one dies, i'll have them be buried along the casket.

does rue know bout jules mom? i feel like if they touched on this in an episode it'll probably open rue's eyes a bit more. something along the lines of "my mom is someone who i loved and i couldn't break through to her... i believed her over and over even when she lied straight to me and my dads faces. but i can't help people who don't want to be helped. i love you rue. you're my bestfriend and someone who i don't wanna see kill themself slowly to addiction. you're so important to me and my life. i need you." something better than that of course lol.

@@theaitokyo I agree I feel like Jules and rue need to have a talk so rue can understand why Jules did the things she did and why she felt the way she felt like about her mom but I feel like they were trying to show not to give in on what addicts say because Jules knows it’s just the drugs since her mom probably used to lash out on her just like rue did

thats an awesome take actually

you’re so fucking smart

OKAY BIG BRAIN TIME💅

I feel like the writer is not actually smart enough for this though. Sadly I think he's just interested in sexualizing sweeney

@@AriaLouisa personally, I feel like he is doing both. He’s known for planning themes of the whole season and using it in smaller scenarios per episode to give the more cohesive feel. This feels like one of those. He’s also using way too many nude scenes of Cassie, but I can kinda see why he thought it was a good choice (I still don’t like it tho)

oh girl you're in for a RIDE for ep 7 LMFAO

thank you😭😭😭

Exactly 👏

I mean she just said they did...because truly if no one sat down and thought hmmmm this whole suitcase filled with drugs was paid by an unemployed teenager I'm gonna be really angry..

same, shit is about too go down 😧

ME TOO LEXI'S PLAY IS COMING LET'S GOOOOO

i wish i could time travel through these next couple hours

As someone who just watched it, LEXI PLAY OMGGG

BB, Kat and Maddys reactions are hilarious in that episode

Wait this is the wildest thought but if word somehow gets to maddy that Jules has the tape she can tell Jules how Nate got it..ignore me I’m just clinging on to hope lol

@@amandalr5433 that would be amazing I would love that kind of come back for those girls they deserve so much better

I couldn’t imagine maddy giving jules the tape when she could’ve done it the whole time. She was keeping hold of it to have leverage over Nate, not over concern for jules. Jules wasn’t at her bday party or her house party either

@@Nadia-jk5jw she was supposed to but they changed it

That’s because it wasn’t for closure or to pait him as a hero, I think it was to reestablish his feelings for Jules, and that he also did it so it would be destroyed without being his fault to protect HIMSELF, don’t get it twisted y’all this character does not care about anyone but himself

perfectly said especially on not hating jules

agreed i love jules sm

agreed! jules is def not my fav atm but i don’t think she’s a villain, we have to remember that they’re all teenagers they make mistakes and it is extremely difficult having to worry about your friend and girlfriend being a drug addict at 17. cheating on rue was 100% wrong but she’s still not necessarily a villain.

@@ccamilacedeno you put it into words!!

Why are people hating Jules? Like, I didn't like her cheating on Rue, but Rue was also lying to her, so...

Bc zendaya got LEGGGGGSSSSSS

That’s the crackhead energy. U can’t catch them if u was paid to do it

1. running/physical activity distracts you from withdrawal, sitting still is way worse 2. "trained police officers" doesn't mean anything in the US lol 3. it was a little over the top for tv but not totally out of the realm of possibility I wish they spent some time going into the things that help with withdrawal once she's on the slope like: sitting in a warm shower as long as you have warm water, someone helping her stretch her legs or go on walks, giving her leg pets (they help SO much). just laying in bed and crying isn't what withdrawal looks like, if that were all I had to go through I'd have quit in no time lol (7 years sober btw)

@@mischr13 girl congrats on 7 years 👏👏👏 for real that's a huge accomplishment. 🧡🦇

You're giving the police too much credit

I wouldn't really call this bipolar in this scene. It seems entirely drug-fueled. She's going through withdrawal and is also freaking out because the missing case very likely means Laurie will traffic or kill her-- so immense fear too--, which is what's causing her to feel anger, pain, regret, hatred. Bipolar isn't really switching at a moment's notice like this. She's strung out.

@@RowanBuchananroabie babes it’s been confirmed that Rue’s in a BP episode

I want cassie to get it together, but I can’t say I like her right now. She’s on extremely thin ice

omg the twitter stans are the fucking wooooorst lol no critical thinking whatsoever

Exactly!! I see people literally attacking Jules and Cassie/slut shaming them but not acknowledging the fact that they were manipulated by Nate and Elliot. Nate saw Cassie in a vulnerable emotional state in s2e1 and immediately mentally manipulated Cassie. He kept telling her everything she wanted to hear, even when she said she wanted to stop hooking up in ep2 or 3. Elliot did the same by hearing Jules insecurities w/ her relationship with Rue and said everything she wanted the hear + letting Jules flush Laurie’s drugs HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS.

@@kiranicole7445 i think cassie is getting so much hate bc she wasn’t always this terrible, like she was a favorite n ppl expected better from her n so the hate is worse. whereas we’ve known nate is a terrible terrible person. however i do feel like nate should get more bad attention from of this, bc it takes two to tango. but like i said before, since its expected of him to be awful, cassie gets all the attention. and yes Elliott is definitely a manipulative POS and i hope rue & jules realize that and drop him. he’s just as bad as jules rn. they’re all in a very sticky situation

@@yasmin4281 LITERALLY ROCKS FOR BRAINS OMFG….

Yes yes, they are very immature, if there is one lesson they should learn is that people are complex

I said the same thing. Ppl just don’t like seeing their favorite characters doing something terrible and they find any way to explain it away

I think what bothers me is the character stagnation. Like we thought she changed a little bit and then we get the second season of nothing

I think after that talk with Maddy she realized that even though he was a good person, he wasn’t what she fully wanted (she said she felt miserable) I think she went with this crazy tactic (the one where she tries to manipulate and gaslight him) because she thought that he would have believed her like the principal did. In her mind it would make her look like less of a shitty person. Honestly I liked her character but I wish she would have just been honest with him about what she wanted that way they could have ended on good terms..

In that scene she kind of had a lot at stake so I feel like it was not as bad to gaslight the principal tbh. And she had character growth after that so it just sucks that we're going backwards. Clearly they wannna write Kat out of the show.

Yusss babyyy

Lexi ate

Pain

She’s kinda using Rue though…she cheated on her with Elliot behind her back

Jules might really care for Rue and want her to get better but even then she’s a shitty girlfriend, she was kissing Elliott before she even knew about Rue still doing drugs and she was the one who was accusing Rue of having a crush on him at the start of the season😭. Hunter should’ve written Jules’ character this season like she did for her special episode bcs Sam Levinson just did nothing with Jules’ character this season despite it having a lot of potential

@@Kirsten4260 how is cheating on someone using them? what is she using her for?

jules has a validation addiction almost as bad as rues, her mom was a drug addict that chose drugs over her. in the special she said that she sees her mom in rue and i think that’s probably why she became more invested in rue despite rue not being her type at all. rue would give her the validation her mom didn’t , even resist drugs at a PARTY jules brought her to, plus she knows rue loves her unconditionally. when rue stopped doing those things she went to the next addict who gave her that validation, plus elliots a guy that’s actively appealing to her habit of seeking male validation. she also went straight to rues mom instead of coming to rue privately beforehand and im not meaning to say she made the wrong choice but i believe it was a spiteful one as during the intervention after Rue asks why she did it jules says “You lied to me.” point blank. not saying she doesn’t care about rue or deserved the verbal beatdown but her motives and actions behind her relationship with rue are extremely questionable and definitely not selfless.

@@fnaythn exactly

Also like...think of the effect on the wastewater system😭

Ummmmm

I feel like they started ep 6 to be about rues mom but it became very muddled with all the different backstories

omg me too!! twins :)

I personally think Jules deserves it bc she cheated on her with the same guy who she originally accused RUE of liking. Then again I’m EXTREMELY biased against Cheaters.

I was thinking the other day, do you think they added rue being an unreliable narrator so they could have plot holes and blame it on that 😂

Agreed. I enjoy scenes people are critical about. Sometimes I just want to watch the show man, I’m not thinking about all the other stuff trying to find something to say about it

@@LizzieSB exactly jnskk i just wanna have a good time