Epson SureColor P9570 Critique and Review

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Bellevue Fine Art Repro

Bellevue Fine Art Repro

Күн бұрын

Epson's newest 44" aqueous printer, the SureColor P9570 has some promising new features, such as no need for matte and photo black ink switching, easier sheet loading, double the print speed of previous models, and easy access to the head and capping station areas for maintenance.
However, the SureColor P-9570 is fraught with critical errors and issues that cause extensive paper damage, damage to the printer itself, and cause loss of productivity with constant troubleshooting and downtime.
Epson has yet to resolve these critical errors after two years on the market, and our experience has been that we cannot load a single roll of paper without some kind of error. The P9570 is in dire need of critical firmware updates to address these issues, although at this point Epson still has no idea how to even address them.
This video goes through those errors, some of the workarounds we have found, including tricking the P9570 into printing with the roll paper cover open to avoid constant paper damage. Many of the issues have no resolution, and if you have purchased a SureColor P9570 or are considering doing so, this video will be of interest to you.

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@Maxime-ho9iv
@Maxime-ho9iv Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this video, there isn't a lot on youtube.. A year later, did Epson fixed the issues via firmware upgrades or otherwise?
@stephengross5928
@stephengross5928 Жыл бұрын
@Bellevue Fine Art Repro Thanks for the video, it helps us to know we aren't alone in our frustrations! Among the paper types we cannot use in this machine without it tearing off the roll include, Hahnemühle German Etching, Bamboo, Photo rag metallic, William turner, and Innova exhibition cotton gloss just to name a few. 20 years for epson to invent a cover that actually closes and they blow it. We also have regular problems with head strike but not at the leading edge that can be solved with platen gap or extra margins.. The same out of control paper tension sometimes creates a pucker in the middle of the print that raises up quite high. In 20 years I have never seen this kind of feed on any roll on all the Epson machines. The new Epson Media Installer while it offers some options to try to fix this is so slow, with such a sadly limited capacity to save paper types that it becomes epic just to try to test some settings. We do manage to make hundred of beautiful prints on this machine but we have the P20000 to count on when the multiple defects in this unit create problems. The daily comedy of errors compared to the P20000 is just astounding and the waste of paper would make this machine not useable for the average user printing for themselves.
@StephenW25
@StephenW25 11 ай бұрын
After 20 years of being an avid Epson user, I am finally moving to Canon (although I think the print quality is inferior, I don't think any of my clients will notice). I was going to upgrade my P9000 to the 9570 - but the P9000 has been a costly machine - head replacement runs to about one a year - and our volumes are small-ish. We've also had weird lines on the first 1 to 2 cm of a print (even with a good 5 cm of white border in front to try and rectify the problem) - no solution from Epson (to me it seems like the ink is not available at the initial print instruction - it has to print a cm or two before it fully "loads" into the head). And looking at all the problems of the 9570, I decided that I needed to go with a more reliable machine. My first few Epsons were mean machines - no problems, year after year of consistent and amazing output. But the quality seems to be dropping off - either that or the technology isn't what it should be. Such a pity. I'm sad to leave Epson and slightly concerned about the Canon. But what can a person do? I can't run a machine with these types of issues.
@wernersegarra
@wernersegarra Жыл бұрын
I had this printer returned early last year , I own a p9000 and had a 9800 previously , no problems , my p9000 works beautifully and the 9800 is still chugging away after all these years which my previous assistant has. The p9570 was ultimately flawed in so many ways, I print 44 x58 inches (cut)and it failed every time, half way through the print it would blur the image due to the double head and the paper slipping (feeder problems) ( the double head it is my understanding can not sync when the feeder is slipping which cause the prints to be out of focus halve way trough my prints , for example a 48 inch long print would print 58 1/4 or 57 and 3/4 long but always 34 inches with 5 inch borders, wide on the 44 inch roll paper size on hard papers like Hahnamuhle FA Baryta 325 or epson cold press bright white, on epson luster 260 or glossy 260 it would be about an 1/8 of an inch off on thiner paper, on my p9000 dead on every time no matter what paper. Put it this way epson tech switching out all the parts could not fix the feed problems same issues every time, when its slipping in the printing process. They had local tech for 3 months trying too fix the issues changed every part there was on my printer, and finally sent two techs from California, two days 0 results on all your problems , months of wasted wasted paper and inks , suction will not fix anything if you print a 58 inch long inch print and thicker papers, part of the problem is now that you have a double head its a wider gap between the rollers. Also something no one mentions when you are printing BW on the epson print layout or the driver, the print when looking at it from the side has horizontal purple banding hues, the epson tecs tried also for two days to fix that problem with there own files and there own drivers and laptops, they got the same results I did, it got blamed on the double head not sync correctly and supposedly that got sent on to Japan, same results supposedly happen I believe its the p10000 which has the same double head. No issues with the p9000 in this case, single head, slower but I get perfect prints, once in a while a clogged head. Also the p9570 consistent head strikes on thicker paper, had to run the paper past the bottom roller to avoid the head strikes with full maximum suction. Every setting was tried out on this printer nothing fixed anything, six month of test. I am a big epson fan, have been a customer for ever and ever, will not switch to canon, and I am lucky during this 6 month process off battling with the printer I did not sell the P9000 (yes the p9570 had slightly better color even BW , but slight 5% to my eyes most people could no tell the difference ) but the headaches and time and money wasted on supplies. is not wort it, from the sounds of it ,over a year later you are having same issues , I will have to wait for the replacement model this time, before buying will have them print a large file , I do hope they fix all the problems, because these printers do not last forever. The people that respond with out owning the printer and running large prints through it , and not spending time with it, will not know how to fix these issues. I believe in the end these are HARDWARE Issues that can not be resolved till the hardware gets upgraded.
@klaymoon1
@klaymoon1 Жыл бұрын
Great review! You just saved me $7,000!!!
@irenedp4947
@irenedp4947 Жыл бұрын
I’ve had the same paper skewed issue with the european version. It takes at times three or four tries to get it going.
@ReneLentino
@ReneLentino 8 ай бұрын
Seeing this video and reading all comments, and I have experienced every single problem mentioned here. Problems loading paper, paper jams, ghostings, head scratches... My main issue is with ghostings, and it's related to the paper feed. For some reason you can hear the printer rolling the paper back and forth until the paper jams. I could print without ghosts when the inner core was loosened, so the paper could be transported freely. If I can't do that, before print I manually advance the paper about a metre long and rewind back. We are close to get a new Canon to replace. I still don't have an answer for all those problems, and I've realised that no one has!
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro 8 ай бұрын
use the hack I show to keep the cover open while printing. That helps. Also run all your jobs unidirectional and NOT bidirectional. That also helps.
@ReneLentino
@ReneLentino 8 ай бұрын
The cover hack is really helpful! Thanks for that! But other than those tricks, I'm a bit skeptical seeing any firmware updates to fix or any feedback from Epson. It's really frustrating!
@petermiles9224
@petermiles9224 9 ай бұрын
I have stopped having paper feed and skew problems with my 9560 after changing a few printer settings. I have a 9900 and a 9560 in a print facility in a photography school. The thickest paper so far I have run thru the 9560 printer is Hahnemuhle photo rag 308. The lightest I've used through it is Washi 110 gsm. [I see elsewhere on your channel print creasing problems when printing what looks like lighter gsm washi paper.] When I fist got the 9560 it was terrifying the way it handled paper. It was brutal. But I stopped having paper feed or skew problems (so far) after changing the following. I turned off the auto paper loading**. And under all the paper settings that I have saved, under advanced paper settings, I have turned off the ‘skew reduction’ and turned off ‘lateral feed adjustment. With these settings the paper loads just like my old 9900. Manually push the paper all the way thru the printer. Gently pinch the center of the leading edge of the paper that’s come out of the printer and apply a little tension, so that the paper is square. Press the paper clamp button on the front panel. Close the lid and you’re done. I have since had no violent back tension, bunching of the paper under the cover or paper skewing problems. ** Turning off auto paper loading… Menu / General Settings / Printer Settings / Paper Source Setup / Roll Paper Setup / Auto loading. The ghost / double printing I have not seen yet. That looks really serious.
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro 9 ай бұрын
We still get paper skew warnings ALL the time with these settings. Epson wants the world to believe that these issues can all be resolved with new EMI settings and it's just not true. The lateral feed adjust helps by turning it off, but we still get constant head strikes, skews, and ghost printing. Running the machine at half speed helps, but nothing, and I mean nothing resolves all the paper feed issues with the p9570.
@petermiles9224
@petermiles9224 9 ай бұрын
@@BellevueFineArtRepro Really sorry to hear that. I have been a long time subscriber to the Epson wide format user group and have been watching a ton of serious issues raised about the 9500 series printer. It so bad that a group of subscribers got together and sent an open letter to Epson. It has had me wondering if we had just struck it lucky with our specific 9560 printer. Or maybe we have not been running the kind of media through it that’s given the paper feed troubles other’s experience . Unfortunately our Epson 9900 just died. I’ve run Epson 9600 9880 9900 and they have all been basically dependable. But I’m in a dilemma as to what to replace it with. I’m reluctant to get another 9560. Us having to turn off many of the 9560’s new printer features to get it to behave, has not inspired me with confidence in the engineering behind the 9500 series printer. Let alone the reports I hear from other users. The issues I have experienced with our 9560 are… gloss differentials in the blacks on gloss media. In normal print mode the gloss differentials are so bad customers have refused to accept the prints. My solution had been to run gloss jobs through the 9900. The 9900 did a great job, no gloss differentials, very happy customers. Now that I’m down to just the 9560 I’m testing the ‘black enhance overcoat’ mode to see if that will improve things. And while our 9560 does not ‘ghost’ print like yours, text on print jobs looks noticeably thicker and less well defined on the 9560 compared to our 9900.
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro 9 ай бұрын
@@petermiles9224 we are moving towards Canon printers. We just got a Canon pro 2100. It's a little weak in the greens, but outside of print test charts it seems fine. But paper handling is great, and we don't have any of the issues we have with the p9570. I wrote that final letter to Epson, and Dano has even come here. Nice guy, but Epson as a whole has not been able to address the issues with this machine. The EMI changes help a little, but overall Epson's response has been insulting. I too have had the 9600, 9800, 9900 and p9000. Every model in the last 15 years. The P9570 has cost me sooooo much money and pain. When it prints great, the color is great. When it doesn't, it doesn't. We run many jobs now unilateral and half speed. This printer simply cannot handle fine art substrates. It hates Hahnemuhle papers, Moab and Canson - all the papers we have used for over a decade now. Also worth noting is that Epson still doesn't have ANY documentation on best practices for the EMI. There is no documentation on what all these new settings do, and even Epson support gives conflicting answers.
@amir_aghareb
@amir_aghareb Жыл бұрын
Hi! Thank you for the review! I wanted to purchase this for our photo studio at a university and was wondering if the new firmware released on August 2022 has solved any of these issues. Thanks!
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro Жыл бұрын
We've resolved the issues of it ejecting paper ten feet at a time. It has a learning curve for sure. Like it will constantly say you have a paper skew and need to reinsert the paper, but you have to ignore it. Using the trick I show in my video to keep the paper cover open helps stop it from shoving paper up under the paper cover and damaging it too. And you'll have to learn when to run it high speed and when not to. So there are some tricks, but the major issues have been resolved. What hasn't been resolved is the skew issue, and thick papers cause head scraping.
@amir_aghareb
@amir_aghareb Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the reply!
@Cranes10000
@Cranes10000 2 жыл бұрын
2 week owner of 9570 - major problem for me is head strikes. Constant issue. Waste of media and impending damage to head. Epson tech solution to me was to set top margin of media to 15 or 45 mm and bottom to 3. I'm running jobs that can only be printed with 3mm on top and bottom. (With Rip). Tech advised me, "We are aware of the problem and are waiting for a firmware upgrade from Japan. No idea when that might happen." I've been printing with Epson Wide Format printers for 20+ years; never have I had so many problems.
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the very late reply. Yes, we get TONS of head strikes. Our assumption is that it will eventually damage the heads and we need to keep the machines under warranty so the head isn't our problem. But to be fair, we always keep our machines in warranty, and Epson has been good about servicing them as long as you have a warranty. So yes, lots of head strikes, but we assume the head is Epson's problem, and the paper waste is our problem. We also have never seen this with 14 years of using Epson printers.
@wernersegarra
@wernersegarra Жыл бұрын
read my reply above, this is hardware issues I truly believe
@dragosz0r
@dragosz0r Жыл бұрын
Hello, did they solved the problems? I'm want to buy P9570 or P8000 model, but after what I've seen here, I lean more for the P8000 model, print speed doesn't matter to me, print quality is the most important (photos on canvas). Thanks
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro Жыл бұрын
We have resolved some of the issues, but not all of them. We continue to have a LOT of head strikes on thicker substrates. A LOT. We don't think that will ever be resolved as the platen gap is too narrow and would require a redesign of the machine.
@aguculture
@aguculture 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed you are using Epson Somerset Velvet, have you tried any other media and are you getting the same issues with every media?
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro 2 жыл бұрын
I am getting the same result with all media. Right now I'm using tons of Moab Entrada BW 290, so I'm seeing it the most with that. But we also have a P9000, and in the last two weeks it has gone through 15 rolls of 44" Moab BW and hasn't had a single issue. It's interesting to note that Epson media also uses the double sided tape to adhere paper to the roll, and appears no different than the Moab. In fact, it's adhesion to the core is less than the Moab. We are at this point taking rolls off the printer after the error, retaping them to the core and rewinding the paper tight, and it does it again and again and again. Generally right now we're retaping paper to the core several times throughout a roll, and the P9570 is literally ripping the paper off the core and tearing it. At this point I'm asking Epson to replace these printers with two P9000s at their expense, or face litigation. I've never seen a defect like this in my 14 years of using Epson printers.
@epailes9401
@epailes9401 Жыл бұрын
@Bellavue Are you still facing these issues? Saw there was a firmware update released 10th Feb, curious if it's behaving much better with that.
@smoore69
@smoore69 Жыл бұрын
Nothing has changed. We still experience all of these issues. We now use glue and a long spatula to glue paper back onto the rolls. We still waste a lot of paper. Epson has done nothing to address this.
@hansformat
@hansformat Жыл бұрын
I hate to ask but is there any resolution yet from epson?
@smoore69
@smoore69 Жыл бұрын
The problem of ejecting 10-20 ft of paper has largely been resolved, although it does happen occasionally. Head strikes and paper skews have not been resolved, and we just live with it.
@terrysucrana1318
@terrysucrana1318 11 ай бұрын
Thought that was the only one with so many troubles. At least that's what epson told me from the IT service, what a liars. My main problem is that my machine breaks the same plastic piece of the roll, not loading, but when printing with really thick papers. Sihl Creative Textured 320 gr mostly. Do you think that If I print with the open cover it'll happen too? When roll back the paper to tense it it's when the piece breaks
@ryanhaynes6373
@ryanhaynes6373 Жыл бұрын
Did the latest firmware fix any of the issues Firmware version LL24M5+ Ryan
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro Жыл бұрын
Sorry Ryan. It did not resolve any of the issues. On Epson’s website in Japan they have the firmware release notes, but they don’t translate them, so I did. Here’s the release notes: 2022年6月23日 ・誤ったタイミングで用紙詰まりエラーが発生してしまう点を修正しました。 Fixed a problem with a paper jam error occurring when timing is wrong. ・本体パネルから複数ページ毎のページ間ノズルチェックを有効にしている場合、 2ページ目以降の測色が失敗する点を修正しました。 If you have enabled the multi-page nozzle check from the main panel, fixes the problem where color measurements on the second and subsequent pages fail. ・本体パネルでプルーフ紙を選択・給紙状態で、電源ON/OFF後の初回印刷で 先端余白が付いてしまう点を修正しました。 When Selecting proofing paper on the main printer panel ・ and after a forced or unplanned power reset (off/on), this fixed problem where the leading margin is attached. ・本体パネルからメディア設定の「カットしない」を選択時に、 横切り取り線が印刷されない点を修正しました。 When selecting "Do not cut" in the media settings from the main unit panel, Fixed the problem that the horizontal cut line is not printed. ・連続印刷の際、印刷途中でロール紙を交換すると、データが再印刷されず、カットを繰り返す点を修正しました。 Corrected the problem that data is not reprinted and cuts are repeated when the roll paper is replaced during continuous page printing. ・WebConfig上で「IEEE802.3az :OFF」が有効にならない点を修正しました。 Fixed the problem that "IEEE802.3az: OFF" is not enabled on WebConfig. ・四辺フチなし設定でフチありパターンを複数ページor複数部印刷すると、 2枚目以降でカット位置が異常となる点を修正しました。 If you print multiple pages or multiple copies of a bordered pattern with the borderless setting on all sides, fixed the problem that the cut position is wrong after the second page. (NB: Not sure if this means border o
@ryanhaynes6373
@ryanhaynes6373 Жыл бұрын
​@@BellevueFineArtRepro I have Epson P 9000 but the print head has delamination I'm considering just replacing it with the same printer because the Epson SureColor P9570 seems to have so many problems and I've got enough problems without adding to them lol. I really appreciate you getting back to me so as far as you're concerned the SureColor P9570 it's still not operating properly correct Thanks again
@CliffStockton
@CliffStockton 2 жыл бұрын
Ouch... For the cost of one of these you would think that Epson Customer service personnel would know your name and be responding like crazy.
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro 2 жыл бұрын
They certainly know my name. :-)
@kuau714
@kuau714 2 жыл бұрын
Oh no I have a 7570 on order I hope I don’t have the same issues
@Alfonso_Lucado
@Alfonso_Lucado Жыл бұрын
How was your experience? I own a P900 and so far so good. Very curious about what you have to say
@LanceUngerBBYFOZ
@LanceUngerBBYFOZ 2 жыл бұрын
You definitely need your service agent to come fix it. Contact your dealer who will get in contact with Epson and get a tech out. I haven't worked on this machine yet.
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro 2 жыл бұрын
My vendor is well aware of the issue. Epson has sent one of their own techs out several times, and Decision One has worked on these several times. The problem is that some of the issues, like head strikes, can't be fixed. The P9570 is defective when it comes to heavier papers, and sending tech support out won't fix that. We've made some progress, and have eliminated some of the paper eject issues by using high tension or extra high tension and other settings, but paper meandering, double printing, paper feed errors and head strikes are all still daily issues. We've also found that if paper adheres to the core and won't come off at the end, that the printer will continue printing, going back and forth in the same spot, dumping ink. Sometimes it still rips paper iff the core.
@LanceUngerBBYFOZ
@LanceUngerBBYFOZ 2 жыл бұрын
@@BellevueFineArtRepro hmmm have you tried a different service agent??? Must be so annoying and i can see your fustration...
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro 2 жыл бұрын
@@LanceUngerBBYFOZ There is no other service agent, especially since Epson has sent their own techs out several times.
@LanceUngerBBYFOZ
@LanceUngerBBYFOZ 2 жыл бұрын
@@BellevueFineArtRepro okay true... Not good then...
@derekjcooper
@derekjcooper 2 жыл бұрын
Ghosting issue - to me it looks like a paper calibration issue. Have you tried calibrating the machine for each paper type? Print a line a meter long and measure it to determine how much of an adjustment needs to be applied to the feed? That'll elinimate the ghosting for you. The paper feed issues though are insane with this printer - dumpster fire.
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, we've tried that. It's absolutely not a paper calibration issue. Even the Epson tech didn't know how to resolve it. They do what we do, which is guess and try different settings. It still happens occasionally, as in fairly often, weekly I'm sure. That's one thing that's never been resolved, and something we never had an issue with before. One thing that was suggested is that it might be paper slipping off the core plugs on one end. The paper feed for the P9570 is indeed a dumpster fire. We've come to the conclusion that the machine has a massive tradeoff. On the one hand you get high speed - double the P9000, and a fancy light inside, access to the head and capping station, and a nicer sheet feed. But the tradeoff is paper and canvas waste. Efficiency has gone out the window.
@ZteinNorway
@ZteinNorway 2 жыл бұрын
I have problems with printing on 44" Canson Infinity PhotoArt ProCanvas 395 Cotton paper. First 5cm is sharp, the it starts doubleprinting every time... The similar paper fra Canson that is not cotton, prints fine... Here is some other info I got from a dealer 10 months ago.. May be of interest... Some feedback from the customer site / Lateral Feed Adjust to see the issue with Hahnemuhle fine art paper Customer is printing on a SC-P9500 using Mirage software , media is Hahnemuhle Fine Art Textured William Turner 310g print results are not sellable, horizontal banding in dark areas , and length is not consistent / P7000 prints are sharper than P9500 fyi : we did firmware and driver updates where needed, installed Print Layout Tool , Media Installer ... 1/ printing with Mirage : as you cannot access “Lateral Feed Adjust” , the result is NOT GOOD request for more settings in Mirage (Dinax) given to second level support via Mservice report 2/ printing with PhotoShop : print result is good, but a little “grainy” still request to deselect the “super microweave” when printing on Fine Art Media, using highest resolution 3/ printing with Print Layout Tool: print results are good request to select uni-directional printing , and higher quality 2400 x 2400 ?
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro 2 жыл бұрын
The lateral feed adjustment doesn't really help as far as we can tell. With heavy papers that are stiff, we have found that turning the suction all the way up helps, but doesn't solve the problem. With canvas we have heard that setting suction to zero helps, even though that is unintuitive. In either event the problem really needs to be fixed in firmware, and Epson really needs to fix their firmware again. For banding and length issues, you need to use the EMI (Epson Media Installer) and create a new paper type using one of the Epson canvas settings. Then use the media offset and set it to a plus number to fix the length issues. For Lexjet canvas, we use +.16 for smaller rolls, like 17" and 24", and for 36" and 44" rolls we set it to +.32. This gives us the correct length for canvas and resolves the issue of length (otherwise known as slippage).
@bjray1534
@bjray1534 2 жыл бұрын
@@BellevueFineArtRepro I have had this printer for 2 yr first yr the problems were sparedic ie. horizontal banding, all the paper problem you described. In Oct. 2021 all the issues you describe got worse....Tech were out 3 different times end result was we are waiting on update in firmware ....that came the end of Feb. 2022. I went a head and purchased the extended warranty than goodness. Problems has gotten worse. The tech has been out 4 times in the last 4 weeks. Epson sent out their specialist he was here for 2 days....thought we had it fix but alas no...waiting on epson to send another tech now. I am at my wits end as what to do. I have run epson printers for almost 18 yr and never had this kind of problem. Im look at replacing the printer but not sure what to buy. The Epson have always been so reliable. Any suggestions?
@BellevueFineArtRepro
@BellevueFineArtRepro 2 жыл бұрын
@@bjray1534 for the paper eject issue, where the p9570 ejects 4-6 ft of paper, we have found that using high-tension in the paper settings helps a lot. For that one issue we've made some progress for sure. We started with the velvet fine art setting, and set back tension to extra-high, eject roller assist on. This should resolve the paper eject issue. Tricking the printer into thinking the cover is closed also helps a lot, and prevents the printer from stuffing paper into the paper roll cover. For skew reduction and lateral feed adjustment, we've tried with combinations of them on and off, like skew adjustment on, lateral feed adjustment off, and honestly I'm not sure what those are set to know, but those two things you need to experiment with. For ghost printing and double printing, we have not resolved that. It happens on various Hahnemuhle rag papers, Legion's Moab Entrada, and Canson Aquarelle. But it's random, and we have yet to figure out what causes it. It happens the most on the Canson rolls of 310 gsm paper, especially at the beginning of the rolls. We think the printer can't take the 50 foot rolls well, and it's the weight that's causing it. It absolutely can't take the 75' rolls of moab entrada. We ruined a lot of paper trying to get that to work. If you're having issues with double printing or ghost printing where it gets blurry consistently, try not using hs (high speed), or dual pass printing. It slows down considerably, but it helps when a paper is being problematic.
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