That the LDS believe they become a God themselves and have their own planets.

@@ArielRosie saints unscripted covers this very well

Talk to missionaries. They sacrifice and pay their own way to teach people at no cost and whenever and wherever they are willing to learn. Make their day and ask them!!!!

@@ArielRosie No, they don't. They believe that good people will inherit THIS planet after it has been perfected.

@@ArielRosie that is stupidly dumbed down, we believe we can become god-like in eternal life, the have our own worlds thing is something that hasn't been explained in depth as it isn't as important in the mortal existence, we will inherit this planet is the main teaching and its been misheard and misused a ton

Exactly my thought. I don't worship my wife, I worship God. How great have been God's gifts to us in our earthly life, how much better can he potentially bless us in our post-mortal life, why not eternal families. @Hello Saints, Jeff, I'm curious if there is anything in the bible that says that families cannot be together in the life to come?

Interesting earthly marriages say it all” Until DEATH do you part”’lTemple marriages say” for tiime & ALL eternity!”’based on our covenants to Love God with all our Hearts, Mind & Strength…. Our purpose in life There is a reason we call God our Heavenly Father and his SON our Savior & Redeemer! This to is usually not understood by most of Christianity …what beliefs you have as Christians basically true however there is more!!!!

If family is not to be with us eternally, why have a family at all? We may as well all be selibate and childless. Some find fulfillment in that, most would not.

@@adamjonsson Many things have been lost in the Bible. Hence, the Book of Mormon is the most correct and complete book of scripture on this earth.

@@valerieward7697 As we all know that many things in the Gospel of Jesus Christ have been lost in the Bible. That is the reason The true Church of Jesus Christ had to be restored in our latter days.

Like the triangle analogy! If you, your spouse, and God are in an equilateral triangle, than as one of those three relationships grows closer (you to God, your spouse to God, or you to your spouse), all of the relationships will naturally get closer, too!

A man and woman come closer to God by being together not seperated. God gave Adam a companion Eve because it was not just to produce children but for Adam to access true joy. If God is powerful enough to cleanse sin, make wrong right, conquer death and cure all ailments, why would he not want us to be joyous with our virtuous and loving marriages in heaven? Does he really just want us to only worship Him and not become like Him? I passionately believe God wants us to live as eternal family units and not just worship Him nonstop. To me, a heaven where I only worship God and do nothing else and cannot see my family or live with them, isn't heaven and I want nothing to do with it. Eternal worship with no progression or growth sounds pointless.

It should also be noted that we believe our bodies are a temple as well, but there are ordinances and covenants to make with God that can only be done in the temple

when you going leave lucifers church?

@@MS-zj2mf Agreed, our bodies are considered temples which is why there are so few members who have tattoos and why we stay away from addictive substances that can also damage the body. Like Elder Holland mentions in the beginning of the video, the temple is a place of learning and progression as well as a place where we make covenants with our Heavenly Father as we call him.

An excellent point. He was already dwelling in the prescence of God, but God himself declares that needs a woman.

@@jacobsamuelson3181 why would anyone want to leave Christianity for a religion created by a warmongering soul, created from whole cloth 600 years after christ atoned for our sins?

¿Está mal tenerlo todo y desear tener con quién compartirlo? ¡Qué razonamiento tan pobre!.

Good point

And had Adam and Eve not fallen, they would have remained in the garden forever, together, as man and wife. So when we are restored to that paradisiacal state through Christ’s atonement and resurrection, we will live together as husband and wife forever through the sealing power of God.

@@pauletteforeman2194 What a bleak and depressing outlook on life

@@pauletteforeman2194 See there are plenty of things we need to learn to let go of: sin, our fallen human nature, worldly pleasures. But I believe the wonder and miracle of God is that He is eternal and so are the good and godly things He creates.

Absolutely beautifully said Reilly. The Holy Spirit guided you.🙏🏽❤️

When you see God, it should not matter who or if anyone else is there! God is all we need! Peace!

Truth is sometimes hard 2 take, but God is God and we are not. His word (the Bible) is truth. No man can change it. Thank u brother 4 speaking the truth.

And Gregory, your marriage is also essential to your exaltation. Jeff is great, and when he learns what are our beliefs for exaltation and what comes after, and the roles that a marriage plays with exaltation, it will totally makes sense to him.

I feel the same way as you. I will be with God and Jesus Christ, my eternal husband will be a bonus. I created 4 sons here on earth and I can’t imagine going through the next life without them.

@@elizabethe3281 why don't you believe what Jesus said about this?

I believe it's better to begin at the beginning to come to an understanding why God called Lehi and his family out of Jerusalem and their sins and teachings and what sins are we to not be doing.. Also to come to know Christ warned warned us there are only 2 churches. Also the Doctrine of Christ is plain to understand in the 2nd book of Nephi. If you read from the beginning you get a sure foundation of why the Book of Mormon was preserved.

…since you mention D and C section 132. Do you also embrace the message of plural marriage? That you too can become a god and have multiple wifes?..verse 62, “ and if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified”… do you believe this?

…contrast this to what Jesus actually said in Matthew 22:29, “Jesus replied, you are in error because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.” Is there marriage at, during or after the resurrection? How then can there be marriage “after” the resurrection? Clearly Jesus teaches us there there is NO marriage after this life, whether in the resurrection or after. We will, however, be in the presence of God and if our spouses are also believers in Jesus, they too will be in the presence of God and thus, BOTH will be together forever in the presence of GOD! This is what the Bible teaches! The inerrant word of God!

@@BGCflyer I am LDS, and my understanding is that this means after the Millennial Reign on Earth, then there would no new marriages performed. We would still be married of we have been sealed and are faithful.

@@toddsyoutube2679 Bruce fulfills the very scripture he references.

29Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. Matthew 22:29-30

Yes, this is what we in the LDS church believe. I think what Elder Holland meant is that being reconciled with both God and our families would be the ultimate joy. We also believe our family members each make their own choices and may not be with us in heaven if they choose not to be reconciled with God, He will not force anyone to be with Him. While that is very troubling to many saints who have family members who've chosen different paths, God's love will indeed wipe all tears from our eyes, probably more than they can imagine. We are created to live in families because it emulates God's family and the framework He's built for us to become like Him. He is our father, and is sealed to our Heavenly Mother (yes, we believe God has a wife), and without being bound with our spouse in that family unit we cannot attain the full glory He possesses and desires us to rise to. So while each person has their freedom to choose this and one's spouse may turn away from it, even still, all those who truly desire to become like Him will have that opportunity whether in this life or the next.

*Latter day saint

@@cjammin4 …the heavenly mother concept would definitely be a distinction between LDS and all other Christians. I grew up LDS and yet never heard of heavenly mother until about 10 years ago. It’s a logical response to the idea that we progressing to become exactly like God the Father. He must have a wife, etc. Unfortunately, it’s not supported by the Bible, so 99% of Christians outside of the LDS church will not embrace this.

@@BGCflyer That’s the point of modern revelation. Milk and meat. Remember, there have been 7 dispensations throughout history. The first dispensation was with Adam and Eve. They had the fullness of the gospel and teachings of Jesus Christ revealed to them through God, Jesus, the Holy Ghost, Angels, and visions. They taught these things to their children, but even one generation later, despite the gospel, Cane still killed Abel because he had the agency to do so and sin. Hence the world gradually fell into apostasy. The people of the Earth knew of Heavenly Father, Mother, and the Son to come. But Satan contorted these teachings and people turned to idol worship and the man-made creation of other gods that fit with their lifestyle and culture (like weather gods, hunting gods, harvest gods, etc.) Hence polytheism and paganism were born. Centuries later, because God loves us and gave us another chance, Enoch was called as a prophet who brought about the second dispensation and taught the fullness of the gospel. Some listened, others didn’t. The world became increasingly wicked and fell once more into apostasy. God saved the city of Enoch (some claim this to be Atlantis or Lemuria) and called Noah as a prophet for the third dispensation. Few listened, others didn’t. The earth was flooded and started anew with Noah’s family. After the flood, it was only a couple of generations later people built the Tower of Babel. God confounded their languages and cultures dispersed around the globe. The fullness of the gospel was taught, but was once again contorted and polytheism and Paganism made a return. Abraham was the prophet called for the 4th dispensation and his descendants (the Children of Israel) were the slaves in Egypt. Moses was called to open the 5th dispensation and freed the Israelites and they settled in Israel and Jerusalem. That dispensation has many records and many prophets were called (as they likely were in the other dispensations, but we just have records of the main ones who started them). But the Israelites fell multiple times to idol worship and complained to God. Disputations also arose over how the Messiah would come and who had authority to speak with God. The Assyrians and Babylonians scattered the Israelites and only the Jews and tribe of Benjamin resides in Israel. The other 10 tribes scattered around the globe. Malachi was the last prophet and there was another apostasy. John the Baptist opened the 6th dispensation and Jesus followed. The fullness of the gospel was once more restored, but many Jews rejected it. The death of the Apostles started the Great Apostasy. Probably the longest one lasting over 1700 years, as the apostle Linus of the Catholic Church died without passing on the priesthood authority that he received from Paul. We also see at that time that pagan worship was abound in the Greek, Roman, German, African, and Middle Eastern civilizations around the area at the time. While I believe the Apostles and many faithful knew of Heavenly Mother and the Son, teachings of them had to be subdued as to not confuse people of worshiping them. We only pray to and worship God in the name of the Son. But when people start praying to Jesus or Heavenly Mother (as many cultures prayed to Hera, Juno, Freya, etc. or even the “son” figures like Hercules, Apollo, and Thor respectively) it was blasphemy. So Paul and the apostles had a huge responsibility to teach about the savior’s atonement and gospel principles rather than confuse them with the possibility of idol worship. Had people accepted the message, then more things could have been revealed to them, but they died before the people could consume the milk, leaving the meat unable to be taught by scripture because, as we see in the epistles, SO many people had issues grasping basic concepts of the gospel of Jesus Christ due to their ancestral religions. So when God called another prophet to open the 7th and last dispensation, the fullness of the gospel was once again restored because God loves us and is giving us another chance (I also think he’s a very symbolic God and 7 is a holy number). Through prophetic revelation, Joseph Smith received a lot of the meat of gospel principles and doctrine, but because of the lasting effects of other churches and Christian history, many people had issues with it. They thought their mistranslated and incomplete bibles are enough and nothing else is needed. And while I love the Bible and it’s teachings, it’s not the fullness of the gospel of God. Humans have been prideful and hate new things. The ancient Israelites rejected Moses on many occasions, despite seeing miracles. That set a rocky foundation for Israel in the coming centuries before the coming of the Lord and why he wasn’t welcomed among the Jewish elite. That’s why the Romans, Greeks, Africans, and Arabs rejected the apostles. That’s why modern Christian’s reject Joseph Smith because they think we, for some reason, don’t need a prophet anymore because the Bible is all we need, even though it was arbitrarily set up by the Catholics in Greece and many things were omitted. That’s why the prophet died young and the Saints were expelled from Missouri to Utah. God has a wife and a Son. I think we will find complete happiness in Heaven if our families are there with us. But yes, they, like Cane, have their agency and can reject God and Jesus, and their teachings. Those worthy will still be blessed by God in ways we can’t imagine even if our families aren’t there. But families are essential to God’s plan. Heck, that’s even why it was revealed that there are tiers of Heaven: the Celestial, Terrestrial, and Telestial (representing the Sun, Moon, and Stars). Those who reject God and live in sin, based on their own agency, will go to those other forms of Heaven, but those who worship Jesus and repent will go to the Celestial Kingdom. I can’t remember which prophet said, but those in the Celestial Kingdom can visit loved ones in other Kingdoms, but they can’t go to the Celestial Kingdom to visit. So even if our spouses, children, parents, siblings, cousins, friends, and all manner of loved ones aren’t there with us, we can still visit them. We will be busy in the Celestial Kingdom, for sure, so visiting them may take too much time away from our eternal bliss and progression (as Latter Day Saints believe that we will become like God and Heavenly Mother in that we will have spiritual children and create worlds for them to dwell on to receive their own life experiences and hopefully return to us one day), but that’s not to say that we will ever surpass God. He will always be our God and we must obey Him. But we will become Gods and Goddesses as well. But never equal to God or Jesus or Heavenly Mother. They will ALWAYS surpass us in glory and power. So it’ll be sad if our families can’t partake in the amazing things we will if we’re in the Celestial Kingdom, but we can visit them if we so choose. Families are always eternal (unless of course they commit the worst of sins and become and “Son of Perdition” and go to Outer Darkness, but that’s a completely different topic and extremely rare. Even murderers, rapists, and devil-worshippers will still receive the lesser degree of the Telestial Kingdom, but I digress).

All good Mormons feel this way I think.

We can have you meet with missionaries to help you learn more!

Come and see. The joy that feels my heart because of the gospel of Jesus Christ is so amazing. It’s a joy that you can’t have or find but through his gospel and from making and keeping covenants with God. We are covenant making people. I love his church and the temple where I make covenants with the father. 🙏 please come and see we would love to have you. It will change your life🙌🏼

An eternally significant idea ❤

I don’t understand the point of your comment, Rodrigo. 🤔 You are already a member.

Smart man. There is a lot to love

@twen7y2 Joint heirs with Christ.

Romans 7:2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Mark 12:25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

@@DW-yl9ww there are answers to this. If one remembers that the first couple was not created to be mortal but eternal, then we can try to understand the rest. The Law of Moses that described the responsibility of a brother to “raise seed” for his dead brother is not the “power” that binds people for eternity. Jesus holds that power. I will leave it at that, but there is an answer to your question.

@@JackV2023 you are following "ANOTHER" gospel like the apostles warned. Joseph Smith was duped by a fallen angel ... Do you think God would write errant scripture then allow centuries to go by before correcting it? Wake up

@@DW-yl9ww I apologize for upsetting you. I just was pointing out that in the doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ there is an answer to your question.

Perfectly said! ❤

The God/Gods/god/gods of Mormonism is not One God, and I need not go into why that is except to say that Jesus never was the spirit brother of Lucifer. Why do you Mormons tell white lies and deflect continually? Like the Democrats lies, it's the best you can do to get people with itchy ears to respond like sheeple and clapping seals. You can have Joe Smith, but I will go with Jesus and those who were actually with Him before and after the crucifixion. Their witness does not agree with the Mormon conclusions.

So what of the commandment of God to Adam to multiply and replenish the earth? Does not that apply to everyone? Jesus kept all the commandments and therefore was perfect and sinless. I maintain that Jesus also kept this commandment, and therefore was married and had children, but He kept His Fathers will and sacrificed himself for all, that we might not suffer, on condition of repentance. Why is it so abhorrent that we should aspire to be like our heavenly parents? Does our children's success in any way diminish us? I think not!

@@sagesaith6354 where did Jesus say we should not get married and have children?He spoke out against relations outside of marriage. To the woman taken in adultery he said go and sin no more. And what about the ten commandments, they were given to the Israelites, don't they apply to all of us? Jesus said he came not to do away with the law and the prophets but to fulfill them.

…I feel your passion, however, what do you think of the words and scriptures Paster Jeff shared? Do you agree with him? If not why?

@@BGCflyer his words are exactly what the LDS believe. He just made them sound like they were opposed. In fact if you go back and listen to Jeff he says nearly the identical statement that Holland said. Jeff is picking and choosing things in all of his videos. He is either not understanding the whole picture of the LDS belief or he is hiding it for his gain to divide.

@@USforYOu based on some of his other videos, I wouldn't say he's out to divide, at least not intentionally. I think he's probably leaning on his biases and understandings to fill in gaps that are otherwise provided for in the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price, and even the rituals and covenants we make in the temple. Lacking the context of that and a handy missionary to answer these questions, it makes sense that anyone would fall back to what they know. I know he's been meaning to get around to reading the Book of Mormon and I hope he does so soon!

@@USforYOu …pastor Jeff was quite clear about the differences in LDS and Protestant Christianity. He was clear about how the Bible came about and the “extra-biblical” evidence like cities, archeological finds and other evidences that show the places spoken of in the Bible are real. Unfortunately, we don’t have this for the Book of Mormon. Pastor Jeff commented on that, what did you think?

@@USforYOu …it doesn’t seem in any way he’s trying to divide, but he does show the differences in a respectful way

That is such an incredible analogy. You made such a good point!!

I have said something similar in the past, but not in a religious context. As a pilot I tell family and friends that I have no desire to ever fly a single seat airplane or helicopter. The experience of flying an aircraft is amazing, but nothing compared to sharing it with others. When I fly others in my career, it's fun and exciting, but my favorite people to share it with are those that I love. That takes it to another level, and I'm giddy like a little boy every time I get to take a family member on a flight. I imagine the Celestial Kingdom will be the same with those who I love.

Heaven is heaven because we will be in the presence of God. That’s what the Bible teaches us. Understanding God who exists both in and outside of time and space as we understand it, can be a daunting concept to grasp, but that is why/how He is God, and we are not.

@@BGCflyer God sent us here as families…. It’s probably important.

@@BGCflyer The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Scripture teaches us that we have a Father in heaven. This is not figurative, it is a nod to who we truly are. It is one of the adversaries greatest achievements to get man to reject the idea that he literally a son of God. The mere statement that we are children of God fills us with great potential.

I was thinking the exact same thing but you said it better than I could. I agree with you. I could be wrong but I also felt that there is a lot of context relating to church teachings that I don’t think can be conveyed through one segment.

i agree 100% with this comment. i am also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and i stand with these comments. i believe that heaven in it fullest is when you have deep relationships with your family and can share that experience with them for eternity. "God is love" which John writes and that love is what is shared not only between members of your family but also the love that God has for you and that love reciprocated back to God. of course, this is the ideal, like perfection, that Christ wants all of us to experience but that is very much not obtainable in an imperfect world. what about all of those that dont have a good relationship with their children, their spouse, their parents, their relatives? i guess they cant participate in the fullness of heaven right? "God forbid" no that is not the case. i believe that the gospel principle of eternal families is a call to make things right with your family, if possible, or pray to try and make things right if you cant do it on your own. heaven will still be heaven with or without your family but i believe that the fullest experience you can have of heaven is with your eternal family by your side, however in life the Lord makes that possible for you.

If you watch enough of these, you realize he is making these as a wolf in sheep's clothing... He is not making these videos to unite, but to divide. To proselyte with the intent to destroy your testimony with flattering words. He isn't looking to understand. He is looking to prove he is right vs. understand and accept differences. He isn't what he claims to be. He wants you to disclaim your testimony and embrace his... This is anti-mormon literature in a digital world.

​@@bawesome5039 Lds member here. You are putting a lot of malicious intent in his heart that isn't there. How can he be a wolf in sheep clothing when he straight up says he is wanting to understand and also 'compare his religion with ours'. This should not be a surprise to you. Attitudes like yours give members a bad reputation of members condemning anyone who is of different religion. Nowhere is he doing anything in his videos to destroy your testimony. If you have qualms with anything he is saying you should look into it yourself. It's also not anti-mormon literature. That is a phrase from back in the day, so I'm guessing you were just born and grew up pre-80's where in the time lower level church leaders had a habit of claiming anything was anti-mormon if it had anything to say at all; good or bad from someone who wasn't a member. Don't be so judgmental. This is one of the downfalls of "church culture" where people not of lds faith talking about the church inertly and matter of fact are labeled as apposing the church. Step outside your perspective and look at it from his(others) perspectives. He doesn't know about the church, he is wanting to compare the differences between his faith and lds faith because he, others and myself and many lds members find it interesting to see things from a different persons perspective. If you feel this threatens your testimony then it seems this is merely a sign of a week foundation, otherwise you would see his videos for what they are in being harmless and of a man/pastor's journey through life trying to learn all he can about God and religions. When missionaries are teaching non-members who have a lot of questions or observations, the missionaries don't just leave and say they are trying to weaken their testimonies. I think where you are getting fouled up is in his interest in the subject and wanting to compare religions. He has many degrees in theology and is a pastor of another faith, so his interest in doing that should not be a surprise. Him being a pastor of another religion, I also am not surprised or expecting him to be going and preaching the gospel as we know it. One other aspect you might be getting fouled up on as well is that he is very new to learning about the church, and so he isn't aware of a lot of the church history, culture and teachings. For example he wouldn't know fully what Jeffrey R Holland was meaning in how heaven wouldn't be heaven without his wife. Just think of him as an investigator, that's kind of what he is really at this point. We treat investigators and should treat everyone with kindness and respect.

I had the opposite experience. I was raised lds and raised my own family to be lds. It was while I was serving in the bishopric that I lost my faith. I left Mormonism and faith in God for about a year. I started reading my Bible and I guess you could say I'm a convert to Christianity. You are a convert to Mormonism. I would love to hear why you felt the lds church was the true church.

Hi, I was LDS once. But though I was baptised as a Catholic. I didn't really understand or knew the scriptures. In my 20's I went to Israel and saw the different churches, Islam and the Jewish people. In my experience there I decided to go to the original belief, those who follow God. Yes, I was converting to Judaism. But my brother's (who was LDS) wife asked me to listen to the missionaries. I did, not really understanding the bible. I was a member for 25 years. And had a experience that changed me from being LDS. I was reading the BOM as I did regularly and the D&C etc... as I was reading the BOM, the Holy Spirit prompted me to read the NT. And I did and then went back to read the BOM again. Thus happened quite a few times by the Holy Spirit, until I started to see the flaws on the LDS teachings and how they were MOT in keeping with the Lord's teachings. Over time I and my husband left the LDS church. And now in fellowship with the Lord. Eternal marriage is one of those false teachings, it tickles the ears of the hearers. But not scriptural. I hope for all my LDS brothers and sisters will wake up before it is too late. I pray for your all.

I agree with you. I joined the church as a 19 year old punk with no desire to join a church. My faith at the time could not answer simple questions. I not only found answers in the church but experienced the Holy Ghost working on my soul. I was struck by Moroni's challenge not to ask God if the Book of Mormon is true, but to ask him if it is NOT true. The idea of eternal families not only makes sense, it is heartbreaking to consider any other model. The sting of death is not fully removed if we are not to be with our families after this life.

@@rosevirginiatasker7583 Am An LDS Convert for more than 30 years Am A Bible Reader - and Would Testify that LDS Beliefs and Teachings Are Biblical and Scriptural I Know That The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the ONLY True and Living Church of Jesus Christ upon the face of the whole Earth and nothing else Had a numerous Bible Discussion with several pastors and Minister's since am in my youth and as a new convert of 3yrs And those pastors had given me antiLDS pamphlets Imagine the Church is still new then average Sunday Meeting attendance is only 37 including youth and children Am 16that time

@@eldenscity87 Hi, thank you for your information about yourself. So, how is it that you say that the LDS church is the true Church? When the true Church has been on the earth since Christ walked the roads of Israel? There is only one church. From Jesus to this present day. And the bible contains the whole Gospel.

liar lucifer is deceiver this hello saints oroves it

Matthew 22:30 words of Jesus. There will only be one marriage in heaven The Marriage Of The Lamb ( We are His Bride).

@@genecole2082 I just went to that scripture and a reference in the Doctrine and Covenants 132:15-17 is listed. 15 Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world. 16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory. 17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever.

@@christopherperez8843 …interesting how this contrasts to what is written in the Bible. Matt 22:29-30 Jesus Christ said, “You are in error because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; the will be like angels in heaven”.

I know it says this in the Bible somewhere but God can only impart that which one is prepared to receive. So we see in the blessing of multiple books of scripture, where one people could only receive so much based on their preparation to receive spiritual truths another people who are better prepared will receive a greater knowledge. God does not give us more than we can bear. It is why Moses, when he came down from the mountain the first time with the higher law and saw the people had built idals in his absence, he threw the slabs down and returned to the mountain for the lower law because the people did not have the spiritual strength to handle more. Having more than one record of God allows for further clarification and understanding of holy scripture. Especially when it involves vast differences in circumstances and social customs and traditions. Some things just don't translate completely from one language to the next. Have multiple sources of information allows for a greater understanding of the whole. I believe the Bible is holy scripture. My dad, as a historian, spent the last 40 years researching countless histories to have a more complete understanding of what was happening at the times of the books in the Bible being written - to understand the circumstances and customs behind it. His research has had a great influence on me as I have studied the Bible. But there are books mentioned in the Bible, that are not IN the Bible. There was, and is more scripture out there even besides the Book of Mormon. That's exciting! More scripture is amazing! I don't understand why people reject such an amazing opportunity to learn MORE of Christ.

@@BGCflyer I agree that eternal marriage seems to conflict with Matt 22 but I personally read that verse as "there are no weddings in heaven". That's why in the church it's such an emphasis to have the weddings here on earth (or by proxy) so they can be sealed in heaven (Matt 16:19). Again, I understand that this is a different interpretation than the rest of Christianity, that's just what I believe.

29Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. Matthew 22:29-30

Tyler Porter in that scripture you shared, Jesus is speaking to the Sadducees- a Jewish sect who didn't believe in the resurrection. Christ is basically calling them out on their own belief asking why they would ask such a question when they themselves don't even believe in life after death.

@HomesliceDrummer You believe that after the Apostles died, that there was no Priesthood on the earth, as the authority was not handed down. And that the early Church went into apostasy. Correct? But is it really so!

@HomesliceDrummer you are mistaken not knowing the priesthood or the resurrection…. Scripture and verse? 39And all these,👀having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, 40God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us. Hebrews 11:39-40 Introduction of the book of Mormon: ….On September 21, 1823, the same Moroni, then a glorified, resurrected being👀🤔, appeared to the Prophet Joseph Smith and instructed him… 20But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming👀 1 Corinthians 15:20-23

How does it work when his wife dies, and he remarried. Does he get to heaven and his wives are surprised to see each other?

Exactly my thoughts. The plain and oh so precious truths that are lost. I’m so grateful to know them!

From what I have heard from him in another video of him, he hasn't read the Book of Mormon yet. I know if he would consider, and start to read latter-day scriptures more light and enlightenment will be upon him. Like the other comment above, I find his opinion faith-promoting for me.

This plan is prophesied in the Bible Malachi 4 5 ¶ Behold, I will asend you bElijah the prophet cbefore the coming of the dgreat and dreadful eday of the Lord: 6 And he shall aturn the bheart of the cfathers to the dchildren, and the heart of the echildren to their fathers, lest I come and fsmite the gearth with a hcurse.

Salvation is individual based. What pastor Jeff is saying is his salvation is independent from his loved ones. It even talks in the Bible about loving God more than family and putting him first. God will work it out and if you really believe in him you will would do the same right?

@@Waltvault Yes, salvation is entirely individual and entirely dependent on faith in Christ’s atonement. Eternal family is simply something that if we each do our individual part, we can remain a family in the next life. We’ll never know all of the details, but in the LDS faith we believe coming to earth and suffering the fall is part of God’s eternal plan of happiness for us, and part of that plan is if we exercise our faith in Christ and choose to return to Him, our loved ones can be near to us and a part of our eternal happiness forever. So eternal family is seperate from salvation, but something we can have if we choose to accept the free gifts of Christ.

Sorry for your loss, but eternal families is not biblical.

Just like Adam and Eve were meant to be together forever, so are you. Your covenant will endure.

@@JackV2023 the covenant is until death..... Why doe you not believe what Jesus tells us? Instead you put the doctrine of a polygamous man above the words of Jesus.

@@DrDoerk I understand you believe Jesus says what you believe. But I would invite you to reflect on the fact that when God created Adam and Eve and made them the first family there was no death. I have no interest in proving you wrong. I just would like to explain that your view is not the only one that could be considered Biblical, and that in fact Eternal Family is exactly what God created when he made Adam and Eve.

@@JackV2023 you can't prove me wrong when what I say is backed by the Bible..... There is not eternal family..... Christiana, not Mormons, will all be brothers and sisters in Christ.

Reminds me of the triangle lesson we learned in Sunday School. As the two bottom points of the triangle (Husband and Wife) draw closer to the top (God), they come closer together. That's the intent of the Lord, that's the natural function. But we should never put anything or anyone else before him. The promise of an Eternal Family, to me, was one of hope. That in the wisdom of God, he who knows all things, those bonds which I created on earth will be known. It's an assurance of personal value to God. At least, that's what it has been to me. I agree with your two cents overall, and I think that it should be noted that while we strive and seek for this promise of an eternal family, it's not a requirement or bar to pass. It's a a covenant, that if we as individuals draw unto God, we will be together in heaven. If someone doesn't accept the covenant, if they instead fall away from faith, then it is a sad thing, but we can rest assured that the power of Christ will heal, and all will be well. Just having to chip in my thoughts too. XD

@@WorldSmithy very well said and a fine addition, thank you

And Matthew 24 - 24 on false prophets the church is full of them.

@@thomaspearson1919 I prefer Matthew 7:15-16

…well that perspective is more Christian than it is LDS in my opinion. I’d say, follow what the Bible says, and let the chips fall where they may…

Exactly. I believe that Ike, Greil, Elena, and Mist could be a family forever if they believed in Christ.

This is the greatest comment on the internet. (I know it took 8 months to reply. That's cuz I have reply notifications off lol.)

Al, You too are on a journey! It's part of God's plan. The seeds have been planted and I pray that you come home to the Catholic Church one day! Peace!

@@sagesaith6354 Thank you! But to clarify, I do believe in a body that worships together and obeys all of God's commandments. This includes the Mass where the priests consecrates the bread and wine, and it becomes the body and blood of Jesus, as Jesus commanded at the Last Supper.True presence, not a "symbol" as just pieces of bread and water or grape juice.Jesus made it very clear that it was, in fact, HIS body and blood and not a symbol of his body and blood. God created us for community and we are to worship as a community, and the community comes together with the same beliefs. Just believing in God is a start but it is not a commitment to the true core of who God is in all His magnificence! We are not just people wandering around the earth believing in God and being nice. What distinguishes the faithful from the rest of the world is that true believers come together with one heart, one mind and worship as God commanded. Peace!

@@sagesaith6354 I agree. All Christians are brothers and sisters in Christ.However, non-Christians who "believe" in Jesus, hopefully, know the true Jesus, who we know IS God. Peace!

@@sagesaith6354 I like your insight. Too often we treat religions as football teams where there are only winners and losers. The truth is that it will be far more tolerable in the day of judgement for a devout, upright, willing and sincere person who followed a wrong religion their whole life than a hypocrite in the true church. We should stop judging eachother by our affiliations and look more deeply into each other's hearts. This is the revolution that Pasture Jeff is participating in!

@@sagesaith6354 I understand your thinking. However, saints and demons who call themselves Christian, if they are sitting in the pews together, are all sinners coming to worship God! Their intent is to follow Christ. Non-Christians are people who do not follow Christ's teachings. And unless they believe in everything that Jesus taught, they are not following Christ! Peace!

BEAUTIFUL TESTIMONY THANK YOU SO MUCH

Exactly. We can and will have both relationships, for there is not one without the other.

Very well said! The whole 'Bible worship' thing you just pointed out has been running through my mind all week!

The Bible is true in its fullness. There is literally no need to add or subtract from it. Joseph smith who clearly is a false prophet if you actually read the word and what the Bible says about salvation, changed and thwarted the gospel on how to obtain salvation. Grace thru faith not of works is the one that comes to my mind

Brett Hall, I agree with your response. Thank you for articulating it. I can also understand, and respect the sharing of, the Pastors feelings in respond to Elder Holland's remarks. While watching him present his thoughts about Elder Holland's comment, specifically that viewing our personal or familial relationships more important than our relationship with the savior as an idol, is a valid point/concern. However, I don't agree that that is what Elder Holland was saying. I don't think Elder Holland was placing his relationship with his wife above, or replacing, his relationship with the savior. Regarding this topic, of sorrow one might experience if any family member were not with us "in heaven" my thoughts are turned to the third of the hosts of heaven that were cast out because they did not keep their first estate. Does God mourn their loss due to their own decision? I think so. I think it's hard for us, with our finite minds, to try and balance any form of loss or sorrow with "eternal happiness". It may be possible to have both eternal happiness and eternal sorrow simultaneously. Heaven would still be heaven regardless how we feel about it. But I think it's difficult, if not impossible, for us to either comprehend or express those things in our imperfect mortal condition. I'm thankful for agency, and that families can be eternal through the sealing power, which comes from Christ through his priesthood.

@@Waltvault yes, JS is definitely a false prophet..... Not sure how so much people follow someone who taught polygamy....

Read my comment at the top page..

…true, but Jesus is NOT our actual brother, He is God in the flesh as the Son of GOD. The ONLY actual literal son of God. That’s what the Bible says. Jesus himself even referred himself to being God and thus the Pharisees tried to stone Jesus to death. To put Jesus lower than God is “Arianism” which was the main focus of the debate in the Nicene council 325AD. It was proven then, like it is now, Jesus is NOT below God, but is co-equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit, thus three separate persons but co-equal as God. It’s the only explanation that answers ALL verses of the Bible both Old and New Testament.

@@BGCflyer the uninspired men in the Nicene council did not prove anything. They voted on the topic; it was not unanimous. That does not mean anything was "proven". Christ Himself clearly teaches what is meant by being "one with the Father" in His Intercessory Prayer. It is about Unity, not essence. "That they may be one in me, AS I am one in thee." Clearly Christ is not teaching that we should be one essence with God here. John 17:21-23. The Nicene Creed is extra-biblical and apostate doctrine.

Jesus gave us families to help us understand who He is and what His eternal family looks like. He taught us that HE is the groom and we, as the faithful are the bride. When we reach heaven, we will be His eternal family. Jesus also taught that no one can get us to heaven except ourselves. We ONLY need God. We need no one else. The same is true in eternity. We only need God. When people think like humans, they doubt what God has given us. He gave us families to give us a glimpse into eternal life in heaven. If we do not place ALL our faith and love into our Lord, we feel that we NEED more; we need our earthly families to be happy in eternity. Peace!

@@windywithachanceofsunshine5219 the two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

@@BGCflyer Jesus IS our elder brother who was the God of the old testament. The rest of your comment is correct.

Of course, let's be clear that The Church of Jesus Christ clearly teaches that you put God first.

@@cabarete2003 which God? The one true eternal God, or one of the millions of gods that Mormons believe in?

​@@DrDoerk I could ask the same of a Trinitarian. But of course, we do as Jesus taught...to become one as he and his Father are one by following the Father's commandments as given to us by Christ.

@@cabarete2003 the trinity is described in the Bible..... 1 God, 3 persons of God. Christians believe in monotheism and monogomy..... Mormons believe in polytheism and polygamy.

@@DrDoerk In the Bible? Where is the Trinity taught in the Bible? It is a hellenistic borrowing at best. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not polytheistic. We worship the Eternal Father through his son, Jesus Christ. There are other gods, but we only worship one god. There is plenty of biblical hints of the existence of other gods and of theosis. And, yes, we believe polygamy is a biblical teaching reserved for God's purposes on earth. I do find it amusing that non-members of the Church of Jesus Christ get so riled up about polygamy (which occurred in the Bible) where a man takes on an additional wife (why one would choose to, I have know idea) give her his name and care for her financially and otherwise, yet they rarely seem all that upset about a man taking on mistresses, lovers. In fact, many freely practice it on a Saturday and preach how evil those "Mormons" are on Sunday. And why? Cause The Church of Jesus Christ, with its 80,000 missionaries, is stealing market share from Christianity, Inc $$$$. You can't buy private jets, mansions and fancy cars if those pesky "Mormons" keep stealing from your customer base....I mean flock. Even those pastors not making millions can't keep the mortgage up when they are losing market share!!! Com'on!!! SMH @ Corporate Christianity.

Love this feedback. Thank you!

@@HelloSaints you're incredible

Jesse, I love these videos too! Fun to see you on here. Great suggestion. 👍

Agreed. I like these videos but there always seems to be some aspect of our doctrine that is off such that the response and comparison is harmed as a result. It feels sometimes like straw men are being set up before you respond. And I don’t think that’s the intent. I want to see you nail our doctrine and then respond. When you miss important elements or misstate it in some way, it harms the contrast. Here, it was the misunderstanding of what Elder Holland was trying to say. He was not suggesting that his wife would replace God, be more important than God, or that TECHNICALLY Heaven would not be Heaven without her. His statement was a figure of speech, to express his love for her and his kids. We believe there will be single people in the highest kingdom. So, by definition we do not believe a family is a requirement for Heaven to be Heaven. But we do believe that the family is ordained of God and there is nothing about eternal families that is contrary to God’s plan. We believe God’s glory and greatness are complete and do not suffer in any way when we have loving family relationships that preserve beyond the veil. Again, I love your kindness and your sincerity. There is a real need for kind dialogue. And I’ve learned good things about your faith. So please know this feedback comes from a place of respect.

Jesse, As Catholic with a Mormon daughter and someone who has studied the LDS church for over 25 years, what could Jeff have possibly portrayed incorrectly about the LDS belief on eternal family? LDS DO believe that they will be functioning as earthly families in heaven. That is why you are sealed to your family while on earth. And you also believe that you will be procreating in heaven. The bottom line is that Christians only want to be with God for eternity. He is the epitome of complete love and joy! We need nothing else. Peace!

Romans 7:2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Mark 12:25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

@@DW-yl9ww Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Hi Angela, since you are a Christian and believe in the Bible let me ask you a question. In the story of Job everything was taken from him, but at the end all was given back in double portions. Except 1 thing his children's can you explain why?

As someone who has left the lds church and become a Christian, I can tell you that the only way I got through leaving the church was this concept. I love my earthly family dearly but they no longer believe we will be together in eternity. Being in the presence of God IS enough for me. Now and in heaven. Latter Day Saints expect converts to accept the "reality" that by joining the church they won't be sealed to their non member family and expect the lds gospel to be "enough" for them. My non member inlaws didnt get to see our temple sealing but we were told that the ordinance was more important than our family's feelings. I think it's important to keep that in perspective. Short answer: Being in the presence of God will be and is enough. If a person doesn't have a testimony of that, maybe they have never truly experienced God's presence. That was a major change in my life. I realized that I never truly experienced God's presence until I left the church. I'm also totally grateful for the knowledge that I will never be a Godess.. or that I might have to live for eternity in a polygamous marriage. I am confident in my salvation and dont have to worry if I am Celestial or Telestial material. If is nothing else but praising Jesus for eternity and being in His presence- I will sing Hallelujah forever.

@@erinhartman9591 the lovely part is that God loves us enough to give us what we strive for and expect. My family wasn’t able to be with me in the temple, either, but even the Bible tells us that sometimes we have to leave family behind in order to follow Him, and that we should cleave unto our spouse in God. I am so thankful for my temple marriage, which gives me power through Christ to help my family in many ways I wouldn’t have, otherwise. I’m glad you feel God’s presence now. I’m sorry it didn’t work for you before, but I’m so thankful it works for me.

Danny, When Jesus was choosing disciples, he told them to let the dead bury the dead. They were to abandon their families and follow! That should give you a glimpse into God's world! Peace!

@@windywithachanceofsunshine5219 why marry at all then? Why bother with children? Why not teach children to abandon their parents and move them into monasteries? Perhaps part of following Christ is learning the importance of families and marriage and the depth of respect and devotion that comes with it. I'm not sure why hoping to be wife my bride forever, and taking part in ordinances and making covenants to devote myself to her forever, could be construed as idolizing her or our marriage or putting her ahead of God. In the contrary, we covenant to hold to each other just as we hold to the Lord, and commit to growing in our faith together.

@@DannyAGray The whole purpose of our earthly life is to teach us about God and prepare for eternal life. Jesus taught us about many things through parables and example. He always compared marriage to the marriage of Himself and his church - He is the bridegroom and we, his faithful are the body of Christ, the bride.And that is heavenly marriage. Our earthly families mirror the heavenly family. God is our father but he is also our brother and friend. He is every part of our family all wrapped into one! Our spouses and children reveal to us just how magnificent the heavenly family will be. We love them so much. But God transcends all earthly life. It gives us a glimpse into how incredible heavenly life is with an all loving God who gives us everything we could ever imagine. God's ways are not our ways. He is so much more than earthly life! Peace!

@@windywithachanceofsunshine5219 is it your opinion, then, that we are meant to either be dammed to hell or else spend eternity as angels praising God?

@@DannyAGray My belief is that we will either spend eternity in one heaven - all of us, or be damned to hell. We will never be angels. Scripture tells us that we are right below the angels. God created the angels before he created man. Peace!

Exactly this, yes. And why not, if we believe Paul’s letter to the Romans: “And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ.” (Romans 8:17)

Love how gently & clearly you expressed the truth. Not YOUR truth. Thee Truth.

amazing testimony man.

May the Lord bless you and guide you in your journey. It is never easy to leave the culture you know and have grown up with. Keep focusing on Jesus day in and day out. He will satisfy every need.

Can I ask why you left? I've been considering joining, and have enjoyed meeting my local ward/missionaries - although I am still undecided whether to get baptised... there's something that I can't quite explain which is putting slight doubts in my mind.

​@@mrbrit6746 Hi what kind of doubts? If you look at the very creation of God, before sin came into world, God joined a man and a woman together in marriage, so it wasn't a compensation for falling from God, it was the very eternal relationship that God wanted for a man and a woman. They were joined as one. Jesus Christ himself put it into perspective when he said, "let them be one even as we are one". This is often overlooked. Also, when it does say that neither is the man without the woman, or the woman without the man in the Lord, elevates the marital relationship of understanding the relationship that the son has with the Father and the Father with the son. The spirit of Elijah is about the sealing power of families throughout time and eternity. It is sealed through that very priesthood power, that is having neither beginning of days, nor end of life, means that what is sealed on earth by this power is also sealed in heaven. This is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God and Jesus Christ... No one can truly understand the power of God and how much he loves us, without understanding his revelations on the eternal nature of families. It is as is said on the Lion King, the circle of (eternal life) that is in Christ. Many of the misunderstandings of God come from post biblical definitions of the scriptures. They are not biblical definitions, but definitions from private interpretations. They were made after the prophets had been killed. The bible itself says, surely the Lord will do NOTHING without revealing his secrets unto his servants the prophets. Yet the creeds about who God is were made without any prophet on the earth and are all private interpretations of men. Man was meant to fall; it was part of God's plan. Jesus as our Saviour was not a backup plan, he was the plan, from before we came down to earth. We were in the spirit world, before the "in the beginning was the word". Even pastor Jeff describes this in his video on the three heavens that this concept in context, was to do with the physical expressions of the clouds and sky beyond and the firmament type of thing. Again without a prophet explaining all these things, there are too many private interpretations. If you were as an eternal, intelligent, all powerful being, were put in a vast room, that was empty and in complete darkness and were contemplating "as some Christian preachers have said God was doing". Would you just stay there for all eternity past, before you had an idea to create a universe and people to worship you. So, after trillions upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions, upon trillions........................ of eons of time, it came to you to create light and life. So, you switch the light on by your power and saw it was good. Would that be the actions of an intelligent being, who is supposed to be light, to have remained in darkness for so long. That is what the so-called biblical world expects us to believe when they actual want us to accept that in the beginning was an absolute, rather than a relative meaning of the creation of the universe, with its heavens and earths. We existed as spirit children before these creations were made. We watched it all happen, God created the heavens and earths for us. Before ye were formed in the belly I knew thee and ORDAINED thee. You do not ordain a concept or though, but a being, a person. Also, Jesus told us he doeth NOTHING but what he had seen the Father do, that includes the creation and judgment which the Father gives to the son to do. As Jesus is a spirit son of the Father, as we are, then Jesus would have been shown in vision what the Father had done before as a Saviour of his universe as he was exalted by his Father. The Eternal Power of the Priesthood has neither beginning of days, nor end of life, and all whom become heirs with Christ, receive that power and can then be one with him and with the Father and join in that group of being one with God and called eternal. There continues the circle of eternal life. It is the highest Glory of a loving Father for his children to become like him, in eternity. To deny this is to put limitations on God's power. This is my work and my glory, to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man (and I can say woman as well, as they are neither without each other in the Lord). Think about it.

@@mrbrit6746 pray about it and rood the book of Mormon you'll come to know of its truthfulness through the spirit

This is brilliant. Very, very true.

Exactly. His videos started out fun but it seems like every new video diminishes our true representation. Anyway, good comment.

The Mormon church is one massive scam. $$$$$$$$$$ merchants.

Honestly its kinda Funny as a former Protestant how little impact his position has on my point of View because Eternal Families is something that was revealed to me, and my Wife in Visions, and Dreams at appropriate correlations, and that is something I can never deny.

@@jcal6022 thank you for sharing! I listen sometimes to people who leave the church and like to hear their stories.. sometimes it throws me and my faith... And I'm grateful to see comments like yours that reel me back in, reminding me what I know is true.

@@heidiWava As a Convert Ive come to find that The Church is a mish mash of Personalities, Life Experiences, and Perceptions. We should always put Jesus Christ at the Center of it. I've been a Member for 2 years now

Also somewhat depressing to say you don't need or expect to be with your family in the afterlife. What would be the point of having family relationships here/now but not in heaven? Are not we the children of God? It is clear that family relationships are central to our existence and purpose. By definition, heaven would include being in the presence of God and Elder Holland is not saying heaven is being with his wife, hes saying being there with God but without your loved ones would not feel complete. Think of a time in your life when you have the very best news, who do you want to share it with? When comparing all world religions on doctrine and theology, not one comes even close to the hopeful, optimistic, forgiving nature with unlimited progression of souls as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, that is a fact. Relating to family relationships, what might be a fun topic for you to explore more is "the gathering of Israel" from an LDS viewpoint.

yes I agree, more often than not we have very little differences. even when there are differences they aren't usually major, just seen in a different way

@@lizkt The Church of Jesus Christ simply fills in the gaps of the other churches. Hence, the fulness of the gospel.

@@hrv4908 yeah no it’s contradicts what the Bible clearly teaches about salvation

@@Waltvault That's what the devil would have you believe to limit your progress.

@@hrv4908 “progress” this word goes to show how you clearly haven’t read the Bible in its fullness. We aren’t progressing towards Godhood. We are saved by grace through faith. Joseph smith was the one who was convinced by the devil to alter and change the literal scripture of Gods word.

Come home to the Catholic Church!

I also think Pastor Jeff and this channel really emulate the 11th Article of Faith: We claim the privilege of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

The idea of becoming joint heirs with christ really loses its appeal when you learn in protestant christianity that you don't really inherit anything. There's no further progress and you are in eternal singularity in a single status. But if we are joint heirs, this can't be so. If an heir to a kingdom doesn't eventually become king, then he was never heir in the first place.

Separate in identity, one in purpose; faith and works: sin and redemption: death and everlasting life.

@@sagesaith6354 It has been revealed as I said in the bible. We are heirs of the kingdom. Being a king's heir doesn't mean spending time in his prescence, it means becoming like him. Unless you have some way watered down God's holy promise with a less faithful interpretation.

@@sagesaith6354 I'm not asking you to speak for God, he's already spoken. In fact the doctrine of theosis was much more prevalent in christianity before the Muslim invasions wiped out most non-trinitarians.

Also, great to talk to you and your wife lady week!! You guys are awesome!!

if you roll through the comments you'll see he only likes the comments he agrees with and doesn't actually take the time to read a perspective like this and actually formulate how it fits perfectly with the bible teachings.

@@sei1391 I wasn’t sure if he would or not but I felt compelled to respond. Perhaps for those that do read the comments. I recognize after watching several of his videos his goal is more to convince Latter-day Saints they are wrong than to understand their perspective or even believe any of the doctrines that don’t fit his.