Wow thanks for the tip! Did not know that ergohuman made all leather chairs!

@@monat_son it says it in the video lol

i just spent 5 hours researching chairs and was on the edge between these 2, thank you, i will go with the ergohuman and also saving 1000$

Thank you! - GK

You're welcome! Thanks for watching -GK

totally agree, it seems i'm playing "the sims".

Sounds like an international school promo video music. Expensive schools, cheap music.

@@afonsosalbrecht Afraid you’ll wake up with your bed in the middle of a swimming pool?

@@btodtv what. the fuck. is that music

I think the majority of the shipping fee and restocking fees are built into the cost of the Herman Miller, as well as the warranty. Good to know about the Ergohuman though, because I work from home too and I also like to recline with a headrest sometimes! Helps your butt when you can distribute some of your weight into the back of the chair. I’m 6’ 2” and about 190lbs after dinner (somewhat thin for my height), do you think I should research the Ergohuman some more? Which specific model did you get?

Do you have headrest? Thanks

@@LauraSofiaMoscoso Yes I do. I am 6'2" and the headrest works for me.

where'd you get the full replacement set from?

@@John9tv the ergohuman store sells all the individual parts. I tried replying with the url but I don't think YT likes that.

@@MikeSigsworth ​ I've tried replying to your comment now twice but it keeps being removed because I mention a word that you put after . on websites. I was wondering which was the official website as there are two versions called ergohuman and then there is one called eurotechseating and finally thehumansolution. Do you know which of the four it would be? also do you know whether the arm rest is removable?

Thanks you have 2,and choose 1 thanks

In sitting and feeling the chairs would you agree with BTOD that ergohuman has 'middle of the road' build quality and aeron is superior?

@@Smood47 I do not agree with that. The new Remastered uses too much plastic compare with the original version and it also lacks some of the adjustments Ergohuman has. The only advantage Aeron has is its mesh. The mesh tighter than that of Ergohuman which is good to me but the frame is just not that high quality that I expected.

Without question... just paying for the Herman Miller name.. this review was biased...

I've sat in the Aeron and it really doesn't impress me. The build quality does not feel like a $1200 chair. It feels like a $400 chair. It's not significantly better than the Ergohuman, which I actually find to be slightly more comfortable overall. That said, the Herman Miller Embody is probably the all-around best chair I've ever sat in. That thing actually feels like a $1500 chair with the way in which it perfectly curves to your back and posture while still providing adequate support.

Huh, my principle is usually that cheap is usually a waste of money, and the difference between midrange and high end is usually that midrange is “good enough/the sweet spot for value” and high end is “more polished/diminishing returns, with small improvements requiring a leap in cost.” This has been true with computers, cars, headphones, and even toys like lego kits. However, some things are best considered “Buy once, cry once,” where there is a clear best choice regardless of its higher price. I don’t know if office chairs fall under this category: they’re almost all better than chairs from grade school or college, and it seems that there isn’t a clear “best” choice due to how subjective seating comfort is, but I haven’t tried a Herman Miller or Steelcase chair.

Exactly my words!

right

I think that is only for a no claim return. If the seat malfunctioned or something of that nature I would assume they would refund.

​ @Michael Walker that's just normal warranty.... 25% restocking fan is theft, I'm glad that's banned in the EU.

@@gbner9991 I think it would be bad if they are only ones you could buy from. I agree that isnt a great practice.

25% seems high... but considering that a returned chair will lose the ability to sell as new I think some restocking fee is reasonable. It’s like a car, as soon as a car has one owner and leaves the lot, it loses thousands of dollars in value and starts depreciating. Maybe something more like 15% would be a good balance between not taking a massive business hit due to tire kickers and the customer not being too hurt if they did their research but find out that the product will be unusable for them. The cost of shipping for heavy bulky item like a chair is higher than that of a laptop or tablet too. Herman Miller builds these shipping and restocking fees into the price of their chairs, that’s a part of why they cost so much more (and used ones cost like half as much).

It's definitely a good idea. The only issue is that chairs with a lot of adjustments tend to move around quite a bit. Areas of concern are definitely arms and the cylinders. Wobbling around on the armrests and cylinder can be pretty annoying! -GK

Thank you! -GK

@@btodtv a fair comparison would be Areon vs ergohuman plus....

Maybe, it depends on the reviewer. I don’t work in office chairs, but when I used to work in retail sales, I always figured it would be better for business to make sure my customers found the product they would stick with from the first time around. So, I would definitely want them to be accurately informed on the pros/cons of any product. Works out best for everyone IMO.

Not any immediate plans to review the Elite. Sorry! -GK

Hey so did you swap? if not did the lower back pain go away?

@@kamil1686 I ended up keeping the ergo human. I saw similar complaints about the Aeron when people first use it. It takes a little time to adjust to it. I find the ergohuman incredibly comfortable now, but it did take a few weeks.

That was probably your spine siting correctly, how is the ergo now if you don't mind?

@@truuuupR there is a chair called SAMOFU Ergonomic it does everything the Euro chair can do but more with Lumbar vertical and depth adjustment for 20% cheaper than euro and Areon

The chairs look identical to me. Seems like the same chair, just rebranded.

Why I won't get the chair

same here. I didn't pay attention and even got the chance to try it out at the store and yet I still bought it. One of the big regrets in my life. this chair really sucks.

@@dolyharianto no, it doesn't.. Ergohuman is a good chair... also they say Aeron has the feature to work in slightly upper position, while in fact it's such a marketing bs... that upper switch moves the chair so slightly, that it's barely noticeable

Thanks for watching! -TK

@@btodtv I've already made my purchase at this point but I would like to see opinion on the Ergo Chair 2. Several other channels have covered it but most of them seem a bit less reputable.

Only 3rd party attachments. The atlas is apparently the only one recommended by herman miller, its 180 bones.

140

Eurotech/Raynor has distribution rights for the Comfort Seating line (they also manufacturer Ergohuman) in North America. It is distributed by other brands in Europe and other places around the world. - GK

@@btodtv I see.. I found about the Raynor group But there was no link pointing to hjh Thanks for the infos, I don't know much about this stuff

Hello, did you end up getting the Ergohuman?

Front tilt is definitely a unique feature that isn't common. While I don't personally like it, I can see why some would like how it positions them for tasking. -GK

@@btodtv Front tilt is most ergonomic thing that You can imagine. It's totally a most important feature.

The Ergohuman Plus has a seat tilt function. It's a bit more comfortable than the regular ergohuman, has more aluminium & looks a bit more luxurious. Herman Miller is still amazing however. So well built. I also have an Swedish RH chair that cost around $1500 USD 15 years ago. It's still in excellent condition so the cost /day was modest.

I also recommend the Herman Miller Embody. That's some amazing high quality piece of kit. It's built like a tank.

@@btodtv if you had a posterior pelvic tilt from years of hunching over at a desk you’d like it

I would consider the iOO. It is basically the Ergohuman with 4D arms. - GK

And I hate that Aeron doesn't have a headrest, for me that would be a perfect chair. (I know there are some custom head-rests) :)

Woot Zee they do have headrests in other countries

@@Woot-Zee then just buy a headrest for it? Lol

I've tried an ergohuman full mesh and hated the mesh seat as it was too firm. I'm interesting in getting the leather seat mesh back version, what do you think of the leather part? Comfy for long sitting sessions?

@@HeretixAevum Only tried the mesh one but I more felt that the mest together with the frame were just to weak. Would probably have been better with leather.

Human scale freedom, Herman Miller embody, ergo human ....

Thank you for the comment! -GK

We crush the 2015 VLOG music game! -GK

100% correct about the arms. Very annoying; they are constantly moving. I think it's a total waste to have arms that rotate left and right...and particularly ones that won't lock, as you mentioned. Other than that I love the chair.

Ergo chair and Ergohuman are different chairs

Yes, we can make that happen. What gaming chair or chairs did you consider to be high end? -GK

@@btodtv probably the secret lab chairs, the titan chair

@@btodtv Yeah, secret lab, titan chair.

@BTOD.com i second the secretlab titan and would add Gamechanger L and Noblechairs Epic

BTOD.com Hi guys, will you still make the video or did you give up, we are really excited to see the comparison!!!

The fact that they are even comparing them with the price difference should say something about the ergohuman. The Aeron is a phenomenal chair, but let's be honest you are paying a few hundred at least for the name.

Hey, I have Ergo Plus for few months now. I'm as tall as you, and I must recommend you trying/buying the foam seat instead of the mesh one. When you seat on the mesh it feels like you are sitting very deep, and the sides of the seat are wrapping around your leggs, putting pressure on them. It takes a long time to get used to it and I still not am. I will try to replace the mesh with the foam, as it is a big issue for me. All the other options like lower back support, adjusting arm rests etc. are amazing and I highly recommend that chair. Sidenote, family member had a lower end ergo model, and after 5 years it still looks and works like a new one. Cheers!

I'm 183 cm high, and cannot perfectly adjust ergo human. Especially the seat height it's too low for me. Also I'm sliding off of the seating. I'm looking to replace the ergo human after about 4 years of using it daily.

@@michecinski Thank u. Many months have past since I chose one chair, at the end I bought a generic, tall, office chair for 163 dollars, with 3D arms, and mesh for the back and head rest, unfortunately, it has low quality foam and after 2 hours it's annoying. I didn't buy the Ergo because I broke my elbow, and the back of the chair was too wide so I could hit my elbow by mistake. Fortunately, I found one trick for the height of the chair, I bought some Polyurethane casters/wheels, then I added some small metallic rings that you can get from the hardware store between them and the sockets and they work wonders.

@@dupayhydupa Thank you so much for all the information. I highly appreciate it

We have 1,000’s in the field over the last 10+ years selling the Ergohuman series. The leather coming off isn’t a common issue we are aware of. Cylinders are one of the most likely parts to break down on office chairs. In the USA, Raynor/Eurotech covers these parts for the life of the chair to the original purchaser. -GK

Mine is going solid for 5 years

Thanks for the suggestion and watching our video! - GK

When using headphones, the music is a bit louder than the narration, but I don’t feel the need to adjust volume. If you’re just using the limited frequency response of smartphone speakers, the difference in volume might be more emphasized.

Hey, hi! Thanks for useful info, one quick question What can you tell about edge of the seat of ergohuman? Judging from photos it looks like it can be uncomfortable, or sag a bit towards plastic, cutting into legs a bit in some positions, esp. when reclined.

​@@pineapplethief4418 Well I had problems with legs on Ergohuman as well - sometimes my ankles got swollen after whole day of use. It's not that I felt the front edge cutting into my tighs so I can't 100% blame that piece. Maybe that was due to the fact I was sitting in wrong position in the first place, to avoid that hellish lumbar. On Aeron I also do feel a little pressure on the tights in some positions, especially when front tilt is engaged. So it's probably me. Ergohuman has the seat depth adjustment so you can try and push the edge away. I have hard time judging Ergohuman. On one hand I was using it for almost 5 years. Before I had cheap chair from Jysk and Ergohuman was day and night change to better. But recently, over past year or so, I started to have problems, back pain etc. So I switched to Aeron and like it better, also I think I have better sitting possition now, but time will tell if it was worth the change after all.

@@TheEvilVir Lack of adjustability (and price) is what worries me with Aeron. I have pretty bad case of lower back hernia and sciatica (wasn't able to sit, stand or walk for past 3 months like at all) and trying to find office chair for my special needs, seems like adjustable lumbar support, seat with waterfall edge and good reclined position with larger angle (i.e. to alternate between sitting almost straight and reclined, with notebook on a VESA-mount stand to be highly adjustable) is a key for me. Looks like ergohuman lumbar aims to be sort of fits-all. If you don't mind me asking, what's your height and weight?

​@@pineapplethief4418 Well the problem with Ergohuman is that the lumbar is on non-adjustable spring-like thing. So it pushes you out of the chair with a force that you can't adjust at all. It either fits for you or not at all. I'm 193cm tall and weight around 125kg, that's one of the reasons I took Aeron C. I tried also other things like Interstuhl AirPad but the tilt tension, even at it highest setting, was too little for me and I just was falling back. On Aeron I can make that tension so tight that even I have trouble moving it (not that I set it that high, just making a point). One thing I need to recommend you: as you already have back problems, do not buy your chair just based on the internet opinions/reviews. Go and sit on that chair in some showroom/store. I traveled half a country recently, to choose my chair and I did good because my first choice was aformentioned AirPad and as great chair it is I would regret getting it because it just didn't fit me. Scores like BTOD.com gives are also, by their very design, flawed. What does 83/100 means for you and your problems? Not much. Really, take your time and check these chairs yourself, sit on them, test them.

The Ergohuman is rated for 275 lbs. The closer you get to the weight capacity, the shorter the lifespan of the chair will likely be. All chairs have failures at some point, it’s just a matter of when. -GK

@@btodtv where can i find a piston rated for 350 lbs

I would do a search on Google or Amazon -GK

perry dubbzz Aeron B and C are rated for 350lbs. Laura Davidson has chairs rated for 400lbs.

I do see the resemblance. Lol

😂 at least he lost a lot of weight?

You are kidding right? Should have gone for size C

@@cuongtrieu9549 Perhaps. But C is not that bigger than B. I don't think it would help me.

agreed... and the chair is suprisingly narrow too

If you look at HM’s sizing chart, it seems clear that the Size C would have been the intended fit for you. Sometimes a small change makes all the difference, and maybe the angles and sculpting would have hit your tall frame (in imperial units, you’re nearly 6’ 3” and significantly taller than most people in the US) in such a way that you would have been better supported, your weight more evenly distributed and no spots to pinch off circulation mid-thigh. Humanity has been sitting in hard plastic or hard wood chairs for centuries. Though it’s fair to say we sit A LOT more now than ever before, what we’ve learned is that shape is more important than give. Sitting on a foam cushion, eventually you hit a point of resistance where the foam stops compressing and it returns the exact same amount of “equal and opposing force” back on you as a firm chair does... it’s just the mesh and foam can conform to more seating positions than hard plastic or wood, and perhaps the foam conforms to more seating positions (but the elasticity might last less long in an individual extended seating session or have a shorter lifetime before needing the foam replaced).

If you look at HM’s sizing chart, it seems clear that the Size C would have been the intended fit for you. Sometimes a small change makes all the difference, and maybe the angles and sculpting would have hit your tall frame (in imperial units, you’re nearly 6’ 3” and significantly taller than most people in the US) in such a way that you would have been better supported, your weight more evenly distributed and no spots to pinch off circulation mid-thigh. Humanity has been sitting in hard plastic or hard wood chairs for centuries. Though it’s fair to say we sit A LOT more now than ever before, what we’ve learned is that shape is more important than give. Sitting on a foam cushion, eventually you hit a point of resistance where the foam stops compressing and it returns the exact same amount of “equal and opposing force” back on you as a firm chair does... it’s just the mesh and foam can conform to more seating positions than hard plastic or wood, and perhaps the foam conforms to more seating positions (but the elasticity might last less long in an individual extended seating session or have a shorter lifetime before needing the foam replaced). The foam pads on my gaming chair and hand me down office chair both suck, which is why I don’t feel like foam is an automatic solution. Though I feel like I’ve outgrown the styling of the gaming racechair seat, I do feel like it’s more comfortable than the school and college chairs of my past, and the cheap office chair (with foam seat) even below that. I’ll give you that the “wings” along the side of the Aeron might restrict you from having your legs out to the side more. While I still feel a size C was intended for someone your size, I’d guess from your profile picture that you’re quite muscular and the width of the seat might still not be enough for you. I’m fairly tall too (188 cm), but pretty skinny (about 86 kg), I’d be very interested if you found a chair you did find comfortable!

Ive tried sitting both ergohuman and a copy. The design might be similar but they really feel different.

Sorry to hear that. Is it new? -GK

@@btodtv no its about 4 years old. Ive just purchased the lumbar attachment so hopefully that helps. if not im going to buy an ergohuman.

@@dibrentley7915 any update on your chair?

@@xostephy1 yeah I sold it. I bought the lumbar support for the aeron and it didnt really help. I also really didnt like the mesh, so cold in winter. I bought a Magnum Leather high back office chair and im very happy with it.

If you don’t mind, info would be really helpful! Was the Aeron’s lumbar not pronounced enough, or too pronounced? Was it an upper back problem? I’m thinking I’ve outgrown the flat seat/flat back of my racer style gaming chair, now that I’m actually working from home, but I’m still a relative babe in the woods (and I hated the overstuffed pillows that came with my AKRacing chair!).

Absolutely! I've seen them used for as little as 300.

None for less than 1k in my country. Going to buy ergohuman

Definitely not. The the frame will dig into your legs. Embody would be the better option if you like to tuck your legs.

yeah it seems Aeron has the best Mesh

The Ergohuman is made in China. The Aeron is made in the USA. - GK

The Ergohuman Plus isn't available in the USA -GK

Okamura Contessa chair beats Neuechair hands down

I'd like to see any review of Neuechair... so far it seems to be only pretty and full of marketing, nothing else.

But they behind the mesh

I don't think you can really blame your period pains on the chair.

@@HeretixAevum lol

Thanks - GK

HM scores higher for build quality because it’s a more well built chair. A chair having a headrest doesn’t automatically make it more comfortable than another. Bias toward which chair? We sell the Ergohuman and not the Aeron remastered so the bias comments are interesting. -Ryan

@@btodtv You guys said it yourselves "we just can't sit in it" but then you go and say that it gets a high rating in comfort and put it in the A category - a chair which even you don't find comfortable.

It didn’t get an A rating in comfort. It got a B rating. The reason it was ranked A overall is because of its build, warranty and adjustments. -Ryan

Thanks!! -GK

😅 true