honestly screenslaver would’ve probably been a better villain on his own without Evelyn’s involvement.

Evelyn Deaver=Evil endeavor Evelyn=A villain This may be the worst twist villain of all time.

Ngl I thought the twist was going to be that the Screen Slaver was a villain manufactured by Winston and Evelyn to give Elastigirl someone to fight and improve her public image

Evelyn’s plan sounds as ridiculous as trying to get rid of firefighters because fire extinguishers exist

Syndrome: I wanted to get rid heroes because my idol turned me down! Evelyn: I wanted to get rid of heroes because they wouldn't help my dad during a home invasion in the middle of the night with no way of them knowing about it!

"I hate heroes instead of villains because of.. Reasons!!" Literally, she could have been a way more interesting villain if she was a vigilante, going on a killer route killing EVERY cryminal

Syndrome would laugh at her backstory. Say what you want about the guy at least his backstory make sense.

For Pete's sake, they could've done the obvious route of "supers accidentally killed my dad while trying to help" instead of this super contrived plot. Heck, it could've involved supers who were actually evil or selfish that caused her dad to die and thus ruin her opinion of EVERY super to ever exist and only once her life is saved does she realise that not all supers are out for themselves.

This whole movie is an insult to the original. It's redundant and pointless. For pete's sake, the whole villain plot failed because of Evelyn's monologue. The very cliché the original was mocking.

"Let's call the super heroes!" "No, Let's go to the panic room!" "Why not both? What if a phone was IN the panic room?" "Genius!" *DIRECTED BY ROBERT ZEMECKIS*

I think the movie could have been fixed if it were that Evelyn wanted to 'control' Supers rather than what we got. That she wanted them legal so that they could operate under her control with at best minimum legal interference but have a veritable army of super-powered bodyguards for her and her brother that she could summon in an instant. Effectively doubling down on what her canon self thought was her father's mistake and making her a more extreme version of her brother.

While the ScreenSlaver did made a valid point that everyone in the Incredibles World kept relying on Supers instead of themselves, he would’ve been a better villain if not revealing the plot twist of Evelyn.

When they put a ban on supers, why did all the supervillains just stop? Like, you'd think they'd hear all supers are banned and then they'd go on a crime spree since there's no heroes left. Why would supervillains care if supers are banned? They're villains! ... but I thought about it, and there are no SUPER villains in this series. Syndrome, Bomb Voyage, Screenslaver, Underminer... all the villains are just normal people using technology. How in this world of superpowered people are there no supervillains? The sequel to incredibles should have had an actual super-powered villain, someone who was originally a hero, hated that supers got outlawed, and just started doing whatever. If you're the only superpowered person, things tend to become easy.... boringly easy. So they would end up trying to lure out other heroes by becoming the "necessary evil" unstoppable enough that there had to be superheroes to step up, regardless of what the law stated. Otherwise, what was the point of existing in this world where everything is too easy for them?

Cruella deVil is already a villain from the start *and it makes sense.* A character named Evil Endeavor being a twist villain is just the dumbest shit.

Just realized given the ages of most of the other new supers, they were likely the first children of the original supers. Supers who Syndrome killed. Just imagine the rich story we could have gotten if you had them explain who their parents were, and how after Syndrome they wanted to stand up and protect others like their parents had once done. Showing what a life of living in hiding would do to Violent, Dash, and Jack Jack, and all of them trying to make a future where kids like them could be free to discover their own powers/talents.

there is no Incredibles 2 in Ba Sing Se

We met Evelyn and I was hoping, almost praying, that I was wrong about her being the villain. I was hoping that Screenslaver was the real villain and would be revealed he's actually a Super who despised being called on for every little thing before Supers were illegal. Then the twist happened and I zoned out for the rest of the movie.

Even the play on names between Syndrome and Evelyn shows the stark difference in quality. Syndrome is a play on Heroes Syndrome, a phenomenon of someone orchestrating dangerous scenarios to be the one who valiantly saves lives (exactly what his plan with the Omnidroid was in the final act) Evelyn Deaver is just a nod to “Evil Endeaver”, it literally just references that she’s evil in her introduction before the twist. It’s a name that pats itself on the back for being so clever. She’s a character who falls into the modern villain writing of trying to make them have a valid point while still being evil, but losing sight of the complexity required to make that writing work.

Honestly I wish the Incredibles 2 had answered my question from the first movie: How the actual F the law against supers stopped supervillains from being active? There’s no reason to expect supervillains to respect a law against superpowers if they’re not willing to respect other laws and yet the first movie showed they were willing to lie low until the law was repealed. That would make sense for the Lex Luthors of the world, characters whose main motivation is to defeat their local superhero, but what about everyone else? It would have been more interesting to find that the supervillains had used the down time to build an empire, then decided they actually liked having a secret underground empire and had the Underminer be their emissary to the surface to invite the heroes down to their super paradise.

The more time goes on, the more I’ve grown to loath Incredibles 2. I saw the original in theaters, it’s still one of my favorite movies of all time. I remember the 14 year build up and hype for a sequel.

It's really funny once you realize the whole movie could have been avoided if Evelyn's dad just kept the phones IN THE SAFE ROOM

This movie could have gone two ways honestly. Point A) Keep with the Under Miner to pick up from where the first movie left off Point B) Make the Screenslaver an actual villain rather than a plot device. Both villains had plenty of potential to work with and ideas to follow. We did not need Evelyn.

When I think of the original movie, I think about the many quotes I can recall at the drop of a hat from Syndrome alone. "Lame lame lame!" "You sly dog! You caught me monologuing!" "And got BIZAY!" Can't remember a single line from Evelyn and I watched the sequel way more recently.

Naming a TWIST villain EVIL ENDEAVOR is the absolute dumbest thing they could have done. So stupidly obvious that she was the villain.

Yeah, while I didn’t hate this movie, it was a clear step down from the original and the villain shows that (though to be fair, no one can surpass Syndrome)

The thing about the Under Miner is he was never meant to be anything special. He's like a two-bit villain, and it's not even a cliff-hanger, it's one of those "Here we go again/Never the end/For me it was Tuesday" things. When doing a sequel... yeah, you should probably address it, because a lot of people probably _thought_ it was a sequel hook. But the strangest thing is, they immediately had him tunnel underground? Like, declaring war on the surface dwellers, only to rob a bank is _kinda_ odd... but coming up, declaring war, then going back down again, what even is going on? Story cohesion level: RWBY Only to not bring him up again? (I think he gets a drive-by in the credits, but still.)

Roxanne was such a pathetic villain

I hate how all the new superheros look ridiculous. In first movie they are just people with superpowers, now there is a bird, a frog and a guy two times bigger than Mr Incredible xddd

Ya know I’m just a little confused why the *panic phones* weren’t in the *panic room*

When I first saw this movie, I thought that Evelyn HAD to be a red herring. I couldn't believe it when the revealed she was actually the villain. Even a toddler could have seen that one coming.

By the way, the two super heroes probably didn't pick up the phone because syndrome killed them. So syndrome caused the death of Evelyn's parents, which made her go super villain, so syndrome caused all the events of the incredibles 2, and is also somehow more evil than he already was.

Unlike Syndrome, Evelyn had no personal ties to the Incredibles. It might have been a little better if Evelyn had a grudge against supers due to Mrs. incredible having failed to save her parents when she was a kid.

Evelyn Deaver really didn't work as a villain. Her goal was already achieved 15+ years prior, and the only one standing in opposition to her goal was herself. Society already stopped relying on Supers, and with so few supers left after Syndrome, Evelyn should have been sitting comfortably knowing she already has what she wants. All she had to do to win was to simply not help her brother. Winston's plans to reinstitute Superheroes as a legal force was ONLY possible because of Evelyn. She's obviously not helping her brother out of obligation or love, their relationship is already broken. To make the screenslaver work, they should have changed Evelyn's backstory completely, and made it so that the reinstitution of Superhero legality was from an external third party that Evelyn doesn't enable. Which shouldn't have been that difficult, considering the incident with Syndrome did spark some public interests in Superheroes. Also, they should have completely scrapped the Incredibles' arrest after the Underminer conflict, because that was stupid too.

The reason to that Incredibles 2 was bad, its because the producers basically recycled the plot of the prequel; - The movies started with a failed battle against a villain, that ended with collateral damages, that leads to the politics banned the Superheroes for public pressure. - One of the parents, are given an offer to work with powerful organizations, to may continuing their heroic activities. - The villains aren't definite, but they are "twist plot villains", that were apparently allies, that turned be enemies of the heroes. - The motivations of the villains to hate the heroes are cheap and unfair; Syndrome hates the heroes only because Mr Incredible rejected him, and Evelyn hates the heroes only because she think that they makes weaker the people. - The movies ends with the heroes gaining back the favor of the public. Making that the Incredibles 2, only be actually a rip off of the Incredibles 1, than an original sequel.

I’ll be honest. I really wish the second movie had done a villain who was a Superhero Supremacist. Someone to counter Syndrome. I mean, there’s already a character like that in canon - Gamma Jack. Dude was on a watch list by the government because he believed supers were superior to humans.

"I want to illegalize supers because they were the reason why my parents are dead!" Gurl, it sounds like you need therapy.

Yeah, nothing about the villain we got works. Status quo: supers are shunned. Goal: supers are shunned. "evil plan"?: make supers legal and accepted so to force a new level of paranoia when obvious mind-altering "substances" are used to make the heroes "turn evil". How to execute? encourage the person trying to break the status quo you want so badly to keep and make an ally out of the mascot for the movement despite wanting to control them in the end. Motivation? parents died in an accident that "heroes" as icons of peace couldnt stop, with no consideration as to WHY they couldnt stop it. First issue, status quo. Her plan isnt proactive, because it CANT be. Wait, what? she IS proactive towards reaching her "goal"? In an environment where her goal was already achieved?! Second, who is leading the charge? Her own brother. Why get others involved in the first place? The only person you need to stop is your own brother and the status quo is maintained. Being your BROTHER, you should be able to talk him down, and if you cant, stopping him physically would give us a more intersting character as she continues to dig her heels into the spot of her grave, digging it in the process. Third, why help elastigirl at all and try to win her over to "your side" of things if you dont trust her on some level? If you dont trust her, put the hypno goggles into her new supersuit from the very beginning (replacing the mask, maybe) and cut out the middle man and room for error! Fourth, "I dont trust you, and just because you saved me doesnt mean you were right!" Really? you are being such a petulant child. Again, see the more interesting plot that would have emerged from keeping your distance from her in the entire movie and the potential to brainwash her long-term with very calculated use of the hypno mask. Fifth, motivation. If your brother lost no faith despite the "way your parents died", talk to him! See why he holds no hate. This villain doesnt work because every moment of her character is contradictory. She wants to stop the legalization of supers by... legalizing them?! She works with elastigirl towards legalizing supers... despite the fact she not only wants to betray her in the long run, but that elasitgirl only got the plan from your own brother you could have talked to in order to find a middle ground?! Supers are already shunned by society... yet you effectively run a positive PR campaign for them?!

I really felt that they dropped the ball with the twist villain. I feel like it would've worked more if perhaps her father died via collateral damage from a super fight. It presents a complex point. Yes super heros are needed to fight super villains, and you can't make a whole people illegal. But there are casualties from the giant, bombastic fights that maybe aren't noticed or rectified, creating resentment in the victims families and friends that could definitely fester over time. It would've made her motivations make far more sense, and made her a more compelling villain in my opinion.

Honestly I wish more people would take off the Rose Colored glasses. Incredibles 2 was a terrible sequel, with poor writing and an immensely underwhelming story. I remember coming out of that movie Opening night feeling absolutely nothing. The film also seems really obsessed with emasculating Bob. The action and animation were great and those were the only positives.

Remember, they scrapped the scene explaining Gazerbeam's backstory so they could instead makd the plot about the bad twist villain

I regret not seeing Incredibles 1 as a child. I'm glad I never saw Incredibles 2 as a child.

Wait wait wait...so her backstory is that her parents died because the heros refused to help due to the law put on them? So her issue should be with trying to destroy the government and not the heroes...right?

No joke as soon as I was Evelyn's run in all frazzled the first time we saw her my brain went. She's the bad guy. Then after her brother tells the backstory of their father, she said their parents could have gone in the safe room instead of calling for help. Then I knew for SURE she wasn't into the super hero thing. They more or less copy and pasted the first movie without ANY OF THE EMOTION!!

Helen and Evelyn made the Incredibles 2 feel like it was *made* for DeviantArt yuri shippers and hypnosis fetishists 😅

Syndrome has a stupid reason, but we at least understand it Syndrome at least works because he's meant to be a petty villain. Like, you get his reasoning and it's just so stupid.... but you know man children exist.... and that's what he is... a man child.... But it's just done again, but this time, we just don't understand it..... Like..... why blame heroes????? It feels so forced...

I liked her as a villain, but the prejudice against heroes needed more fleshing out, not just brief discussions and flashbacks. I didn't feel like they were threatened like the X-Men.

Honestly, this movie annoyed me because there's a good movie in here if they just made some tweaks to the story. I think for one, having the supers still be banned and, more importantly, heavily scrutinized by the public really makes Evelyn's whole plan seem stupid because she's working to undermine herself. Another thing, Evelyn's father not going to their safe room was dumb in the context of the movie: He could've put the phones in the safe room or just waited until after the killers left so it's hard to completely refute Evelyn's argument. (I honestly like Nando v Movies idea where, instead of trying to call the supers, her father tried to slow down the killers to ensure his family's safety, giving the idea that supers inspire people to be better themselves)

Imagine the twist being that the Deavers created artificial supervillains for the supes to fight so that they can get positive reputation, which would put the Incredibles in a dilemma where they can either follow and gain the fame and reputation back from the old days, or stop the ultimate evil by sacrificing their reputation and showing everyone that they accidentally helped the bad people and chose to act against them, turning them eventually into true heroes.

One plot twist Pixar villain that worked much better was Dawn Bellwether. She wasn’t a perfect villain but her motivations and plans were better than Evelyn’s. Her villainous plot twist was more surprising than Evelyn. In Incredibles 2, you can tell the true villain was either Evelyn, her brother Winston, or both of them.

I would have honestly preferred if The Incredibles 2 just hadn't happened at all.

I still stand by the idea that the film would have been infinitely better had they pulled a Death Note twist. Her brother was the screen slaver and mind controlled his sister into believing she was the screen slaver, and then forcing her to mind control him into forgetting he was until she was arrested.

I think they gave the Underminer was given his own game, so he did have his time to shine. Also, thinking back on it, Evelyn Deavor (Evil Endeavor) seems more on the nose than Syndrome (Hero Syndrome).

Superheroes keep us weak? That sounds like something that came out of a bad fortune cookie.

Also, if the Deaver guy wants to bring superheroes back to the forefront, and wants someone to the the face of this effort...why'd he pick Helen? Bob's got a lot more presence than she does, being larger in size and in strength, and he's also the one that directly defeated Syndrome in the first movie; surely he'd be the first, and better, option than his housewife. Picking her just makes no sense in-universe - it really feels like Helen was chosen by the writers to have a female-led sequel, even when that makes little sense, and when we've got loads of that type of garbage nowadays.

Heres a better idea for a motive. She wants all villains dead, but heroes dont kill. So she helps her bro with the plan to legalize heroes again, and then screenslaves the heroes, motivating them to kill the villains so they never escape to cause more havoc.

I think Evelyn was actually an okay villain. What really hurt her was the obvious twist, and having to stand next to the peak villain that is Syndrome.

My idea on how they could have fixed it, was the supers where being lazy or just playing it off as "the old man is just being ubsurdly paranoid" and evelyn could have SEEN the death and heard the phone call, leaving her with major trust issues with all supers

I think it’s an even bigger shame we never got to see the movie open with the Now Removed Opening of GAZERBEAM’s Memorial! Showing more background story as to who he was as both a civilian and a Hero, and the tragic circumstances of what All Heroes desire. Wanting to be of Service, doing goodbye one degree or another.

Her name basically being, Evil Endeavour. I remember all the posts like, obviously, she the villain.

NGL, I thought Evelyn and her brother were both gonna be revealed to be the villains.

You know whats worse? Evelyn robbed us of something much greater, a Rise of the Underminer movie adaptation.

One of the other structural issues with Evelyn is just how few interactions she gets with the characters because basically for the finale a lot of the most interesting characters she could be interacting with are basically in time out until their goggles can be removed. It just decreases the opportunities for villain hero interactions or having her minions have some personality. Syndrome’s minions while pretty standard for super villains are absolutely bursting with personality. But just Evelyn doesn’t have anyone villainous to play off for a large majority of the film with her janky motive being something else that hinders her likability. Meanwhile syndrome is given so many opportunities to interact with other characters, from ambushing mr incredible, to his dynamic and straining relationship with Mirage leading to her betraying him, or even his over confidence with the Omnidroid and underestimating its intelligence (adding a hint of irony of that being the fake story they used to lure supers to their death) Evelyn just isn’t given many if any moments to organically interact with anyone when in villain mode. I think the only time is when she takes off mrs incredible’s goggles just so she can monologue at her and then again in the jet. Tldr: I feel like Evelyn’s crappy motivation is just a symptom of a much larger issue of being too few opportunities to interact with others organically

Her villain motivation is literally to make heroes EXTRA illegal when they are already illegal.

Ya know something, with Pixar's previous work it always had a satisfying conclusion. Even if it didn't answer every question, the stories were wrapped up quite nicely. Now there's debate. That's how i know they've failed. I shouldn't wonder if the story had a good ending or not. They used to be able to pull it off, but not anymore.

I watched this movie for the first time around a week ago, then dreamed that Evelyn swore undying revenge on Helen...and Helen distracted her obsessive stupidity by buying a cheap burner phone and pretending to be a copycat Screenslaver. Evelyn would seek first to track down and destroy the copycat and never get anywhere. I thought it was funny.

In it of itself, the general goal of Evelyn makes sense and is the next logical step. For the first movie, where there we're no sign of the super's situation changing, the villain would be someone who wants to profit on the fact that things aren't changing and activly prevent things from changing going forward by offering an alternative. That is the case of Syndrome and his plan to make super's obsolete with technology and that works with his desire for petty revenge too. In a situation where things are activly changing or on the way to change, the villain would logicaly be someone that simply doesn't want things to change because of their personnal beliefs or because they would lose something if things changed. That would be the case for Evelyn and the screenslaver but it was executed like dogshit. Making her a complete biggot that refuses to see when she's wrong doesn't work here because she isn't morally gray, she just wants to hurt people, there ain't no ambiguity here.

I would've preferred in Underminer was the figure head villain throughout instead of screen slaver and the twist was just that he was working for the Deavers, who don't seem to realize what they're doing is wrong. The other heroes they hired might be also on board with the shenanigans, seeing a city as a playground. But the film doesn't investigate that idea for whatever reason

"The tragic background of Syndrome" What???

The thumbnail: *Incredibly* stupid See what you did there

How is it that Syndrome, someone worse then Evelyn, had a more understandable goal and reason to be evil then someone whose parents died from a robber and heartbreak because the dad tried calling heroes even though they were illegal now.

I actually enjoy the movie... ...until her ass stated why she did what she did. You could make the argument that "Oh, she wanted Supers to be gone so that the world wouldn't rely on them as much as her dad did!" But that just makes it worse. What are humans gonna do against villains like the Underminer and his giant drill or Bomb Voyage, a mine who uses actual bombs? And plus a home invasion is definitely a situation where someone would need a Super. Plus her actions SHOWED that the world needed Supers to begin with.

i remember the trailer and thinking "wow its going to talk about cooperation's evil and using heros for thier own gain"

Can i say that this movie goes for the cliches that the first movie makes fun of??

Evelyn is a very weak villain. But she did have a point in her speech. When you rely on something too much, it makes you very weak.

i gotta say, “Evil Endeavor” is one of the funniest on-the-nose villain names i’ve heard

Please read the whole comment and tell me what you think about how I would’ve written the twist: I always thought the twist would’ve been better if it was revealed halfway to the viewer that Winston and Evelyn were working together. Then when Elastigirl finds out, they reveal their motivations. Winston really does want to help the Supers become legal but he wants to take it further. He blames the leaders who outlawed Supers for his dad’s death, and has decided that in addition to making them legal, he’s going to put them in power. He knows the Supers wouldn’t willingly rule as dictators so he uses Evelyn’s technology to hypnotize them so that they can kill everyone in power and anyone who doesn’t support them while, in Winston’s view, taking over their rightful place as society’s rulers. Winston, this way, could be a reverse of Syndrome as someone who worships Supers too much to the point where he’s willing to hurt as many people as possible to help them. Evelyn could just be the anarchist chill tech-based villain who’s happy Winston’s using her genius for some actual gadgets.

Giving that the government made Supers illegal by the time her parents died shoulnt she blane the government?

I mean in my opinion, there is only one Incredibles movie.

I mean, the original had what i saw as one primary plot hole, the fact that seemingly supervillains just, got bored or something after the supers were banned... I guess calling the police on the villian with an army of minions setting up their death ray across the street worked? But it was excusable, hey, we can't see what's going on, they could find some justification... It was irrelevant, because Syndrome was the problem, and although his motivations were petty, they worked... In the sequel... Geez. I found it ironic someone proclaiming thst people need to be self reliant, is a wealthy scientist, who I'm sure mines, refines and manufactures all her components, and reinvented circuitry from scratch. The motivation might work for a, down with society, back to zero type villian, but...

evelyn gets even stranger when you remember that the monologue that that screen-slaver broadcasts is based off of the writings of ted kyzinski whos primary thesis is (TLDR) that the govenrment and corporations finding ways to integrate technology into everything (i.e. the things that make us dependent on others/other things) is actually what is poisonous to society. for evelyn to suggest that being dependent on superheros negates a persons self preservation capabilities she then would also have to acknowledge that just because superheros were outlawed that didn't negate supervillains like the underminer from resurfacing now and again. ultimately the people of this world traded one dependency that did mostly keep them safe for another dependency that ultimately doesn't. evelyn is advocating for people to be able to find the strength to fend for themselves whilst also telling them to keep the current system of dependency that encourages those same people to act against their own need for self preservation.

I feel like the movie would've been a bit better if Evelyn blamed supers to deal with her grief, and she learns to move on and accept what happened by the end

Evelyn is basically just a pixar karen lol I wouldve prefered the screen slaver to be an actual villain or the underminer and the screenslaver working together

I also had trouble with the foundation of her Evil back story. Her parents died because they tried to call the Hero's. Except the robbers were already in the house and it only took them maybe 30 seconds from when he tried to pick up the phone till their death. I am sorry but unless their hero is Super man I don't think any one could of got there in time to save them either way.

You should do a Jack Jack video next. The youngest member of the Parr family has more potential than Dash and Violet since has 17 powers. While it is exciting to see what he can do when he gets older, but what if your loved one decent to evil without being challenged and disciplined? And what if there is a dimension where the heroes sees themselves as their own worst enemies? I think having a grown up Jack Jack would be a perfect villain for Incredibles 3.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="513">8:33</a> Actually, the lair was already set up Evelyn just called Pizza Guy & ambushed him when he arrived, it would take at least 3 days to set up the lair and that means Pizza Guy would have to be missing for 3 days (and Evelyn would have to feed & change him), it's also supported by Pizza Guy idefing as "Pizza Guy" and still being in employee mode

How the hell is anybody still thinking she was a dumb villain when her entire motivation actually is more justifiable and reasonable and quite relatable than Buddy's. When you're relying on someone or something far more than you actually should be, you become absolutely crippled without it

If they’re going to make a 3rd, I hope Pixar thinks of a villain who instead of having hatred for the supers instead having hatred for society, seeing all non-supers as undeserving and a pack of idiots for suing and banning the heroes over “little boo-boos” despite them being the reason that they’re alive and believing that building that can be rebuilt and replace are more important than saving lives which are all irreplaceable. A villain that though is on the supers side and makes solid points would take things to far by working to make everyone a super through a globe-spanning device, believing that without the 90% of the world that don’t have gifts yet somehow have more influence and power that supers would never be prosecuted against and for those who once did not have this life to finally understand what it means to be super and finally understand the pain, scorn and suffering they had put their saviors through. However, such a plan would lead to a new world order that has so many unpredictable variables that could lead to even greater time and catastrophe, but the villain has become hollow over the idea as the flaws of society and the consequences they have made from their emotionally fueled actions have taken its toll on him and he’d rather let the chips fall, and what’s worse is that he plans on making things permanent by erasing all information and the memories of all those working on the project with the blueprints now solely residing inside his head, the last non-super who will take what was left of the previous plague called society with him to the grave via suicide by self-destruction! Yeah, I really thought this over, but anyway my point is, give us a villain like that and I will happily buy a ticket to the next installment. Whenever that’ll be. 🤷🏻

I will forever blame disney execs for limiting Brad Bird's potential

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="115">1:55</a> This Guy was so good in the PS2 Game where you have to Consistently Pursue Him as Mr Incredible and Frozone, and You Eventually Get The Guy in the end! The Game gave him more Proper Justice than This Movie did!

It goes to show that sometimes all you need is one movie to tell an entire story and not rely on sequels. The incredibles movie was always a classic and it is sad the sequel could not live up to it. I guess not everyone can be the toy story franchise.

I think the core of the villain's motivation was actually really good. She wanted people to take agency over their own lives, to stop waiting for someone to come along to save you. That's a real problem in today's society. Too many people have been trained to wait for help from some other source, instead of learning to help themselves.

You can tell it's her from a mile away and that really sucks for a sequel

I would have loved that instead of non super a lashing out at the super that let them down like in the first film, the sequel be about a super that felt unwelcome in society and was lashing out because of it. We could've gotten som e background in established villains and why they do what they do

Syndrome could run so Evelynn could barely drag her body across a room.

I remember the first time I watched this movie, the moment she walked on screen I thought “she’s probably the villain”

It really is werid that every Increadibles villain is always a normal human using what they have to get stuff done, and often someone who is pulling themselves up by their bootstraps despite their weaknesses.

I prefer her villain persona "The Sceenslaver" over normal Evelyn. But Eve still looks just like my mom.

Evelyn could've worked by being resentful of the government instead of the heroes and just simply view the heroes as tools to overthrow the government. Or maybe have screenslaver be a completely different person who's a hero fanatic like Syndrome but is abscessed over the idea of having the hero back so decided to make themselves as this powerful villain to give a reason for the heroes to comeback. But I guess that will introduce moral grayness or nuances and Pixar doesn't like that.

So crazy thing for me to say, but instead of Evelyn being the villian what if the father not only survived the shot but became jaded or would that lean too much into Syndrome? What do you guys think?

This movie is by far the absolute worst sequel ever They ruined every single characters progression in this one. Im so fucking angry