Perhaps we all are

Same here. My Switch is out of commission but even now there's not a day it isn't on my mind. And no matter how much lore I learn I'm STILL on Moebius's side at the end of the day.

yep, can’t stop thinking about it

You are not alone.

“How many times has it been now…”

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Do you think Luxin is keeping Finch hostage

@@rhettmitchell No, someone else is keeping Finch hostage and using her as a ransom so Luxin makes more videos

Something something "God is the state"

_there's no difference between the two... politics is religion, and religion is politics_

@@ArinJager1 Nah, religion's the cool one.

@@Sherkel religion is $h*t

X is encountered way before the gold colony. You first meet her after the first N fight

And, in a way, Z being an alteration of Ontos makes sense. Ontos was the one that accepted the OG will of humanity, which Z in a distorted and applied to do the endless now.

@@jstar3382unless you mean some fight with N prior to the prison breakout that I don’t remember, this is not correct. There are actually two versions of that cutscene dependent on whether you have completed Eunie’s Ascension Quest before then, as they recognize who X is if you have and don’t if you haven’t.

@@Boulder7685oh I don’t know that I even knew the Ouroboros’ ascension quests were even available before the prison sequence

@@rhettmitchell yeah it took me forever to figure out why the hell the cutscene after the post-breakout N fight had two different versions in the Cutscene Theater. Literally just a line's difference between them, since the devs couldn't guarantee that you didn't do Eunie or Lanz' ascension quests before then, as they both open up shortly after you get to leave the City. Taion and Sena are both available only upon freeing Agnus Castle, and then Mio and Noah's are obviously campaign quests.

Wow omg thank you for these insights! I’ve never really thought about most of this in that kind of way

Z is my favorite xeno villain for this exact reason. Fear is irrational and self destructive. Fear leads to unhealthy coping mechanisms and delusions. Fear leads to stagnation and inaction. And when you have to confront that fear head on you don't have anything that you used to cope with it anymore. As someone who is personally afraid of my own future, the inconsistent motivations and erratic lashing out hit very close to home.

Z's speech while in the THEATRE OF LIFE (which looks like a theatre): "The action-packed drama of your lives... We are its foremost audience! Now then, play it out for me. What will the next act entail? Bereavement? Or revenge? A revolution, perchance... This world is never boring. Not while your lives continue to make it so effervescent!"

Wasnt drama, tragic tales of heroes to whom we can relate to how the theatre was born? Plays in acient greece, all with bad endings for the mortals. And nowadays with news or sports, people relate to sad life stories or the losing team. In fact, Jin and N are people's favourite due to their tragic story. We are just like Z, Z is us.

@@imperfectworks7064 his writing is sooooo enchanting

I mean Shulk and Fiora were always avatars, it makes sense and you could think that Nikol is actually the literal Godchild of Zanza and Meyneth, also funny thing the meaning of Nikol’s name is the same meaning as the name Klaus. Shulk named his son after Zanza. Can’t wait to meet his sister and have her name based on a helmet.

@Xenomaniac418function is relative isn’t it though? I posted my own comment about X serving as a Logos-substitute in the sense that she oversees the destruction and culling of life with a literal scythe, while Y being the Pneuma-substitute oversaw life’s creation and rebirth while also building new Flame Clocks to manage life. They weren’t some immense, core structure in Aionios keeping the Origin’s world engine running, they were aspects of Z responsible for aiding him in relevant and necessary tasks as he required of them. And when he needed a prod, like X recommending that he recalled N after he was injured in the fight on Agnus Castle, they could help him in decision making as necessary.

@Xenomaniac418 okay so this’ll take work to break down. Help me out because I don’t know everything myself, but I think your also ignoring (or less abrasively put, neglecting) some basic elements to this story that shouldn’t be. Starting off: the “Trinity Processor” proper doesn’t matter because the Conduit at this point is gone, so all that matters is the power that the Ontos, Logos, and Pneuma cores possess themselves. Those powers are derivative of their creation and usage as the Trinity Processor now, of course, but it’s dumb to say that Z created a second “Trinity Processor” proper regardless and no one here is saying that Z actually made a Trinity Processor to control a Conduit. Now let’s look at the cores and go from there… Future Redeemed and XC2 both show and tell us that Ontos wants (keyword wants, not needs) some sort of input balanced by some two Anima/Animus-adjacent sources which I can only really picture as a Yin and Yang kind of opposites that figuratively or maybe literally argue with each other for Ontos to take action based on those arguments. That seems to be the process Ontos operates off of. Not the Trinity Processor, but Ontos. If what you said was true in that Ontos can’t function without both of the other cores, I need your help to explain how Alvis was not only present in the first game but was capable of even rewriting the physical reality of the world he presided in at the end of that first game in whatever fashion Shulk could have asked of him, if this is how you were insinuating Ontos functioned of course. We can see in Xenoblade 1 that he appointed Klaus’ split half, taking the name Zanza, and Galea, taking the name Meyneth, as those two sources until Zanza sought total control and began the storied conflict of that game of destroying Meyneth and the Mechonis. Ontos, having taken the form of Alvis would side with Zanza as the winner of these figurative arguments for as long as he won against Meyneth, until Zanza’s rebirth scheme using Shulk would have Alvis growing connected and bonding to Shulk too, not unlike a Driver and Blade until finally Shulk and arguably one could say Fiora also having taken the place of Meyneth both overtook Zanza as the Anima/Animus source it deferred to despite only asking Shulk what to do with the world after Zanza was destroyed. My argument here is that even not knowing what the hell Logos and Pneuma as processors were developed and trained to do in the same depth as we know Ontos was (feel free to fill me in on what their textbook rules and operations as members of the Trinity Processor were if that is something actually known), their roles as defined by the events of XC2 were the destruction and preservation (arguably propagation) of life. They are not simple computers or machines as you put it, they are explicitly defined as AI personas in the Siren Model Kit documentation. Regardless of what they once were, that is how their roles as AI personas developed and were further formed. They might not have explicitly been trained to argue in favor of maintaining creation or destroying existence, but through their Awakenings were then changed to do so. And as such, that is what they were when Origin was conceived. That is what records of them in Origin would have reflected: What they were through the lens of the events in Xenoblade 2. Logos, who took on the name “Metsu” in Japanese (literally meaning destruction btw), and Pneuma, who took on the name “Hikari” in Japanese meaning light (that thing all life kinda depends solely on in order to maintain itself). That is what they represent. While I don’t know how much influence Logos and Pneuma had on the creation of Origin as we know that it was based largely on Ontos, yet they both ended up in N and Matthew’s hands somehow, this is what they represented when Moebius came into existence and interfered with Origin to make Aionios. Wikis aren’t providing me with any help here and it’s been too long since I played 3 or Future Redeemed myself at this point to recall the precise timeline and chain of events that triggered Future Redeemed so I’m doing the best I can and you can correct me here too if you can. The greater Moebius “force” coalesced to halt Origin’s processes and resulted in Aionios being formed rather than the two worlds being fixed, but did nothing beyond hijacking some of Origin’s processes. Only because there were lives that broke free of the cycle with the City was Ontos reborn as Alpha, intending to use Origin for those instead of the lives that had produced the Moebius “force” which halted its function in Origin. Ontos needs Pneuma’s core at least, if not Matthew himself before it could regain the ability to use Origin to “leave” Aionios behind, whether that was as a spaceship or something more fantastical with reality altering powers. It did not seek out the remains of the Logos core located within N’s Blade nor did it seem to think it required them to function as needed. I believe Alpha at that point solely required Pneuma’s core for the powers it held itself rather than whatever past function it provided as a unit of the Trinity Processor. The conflict of Future Redeemed isn’t the result of the Trinity Processor going haywire, but the direct result of a specific former Trinity Processor core going haywire. Ontos ditching its past process of adhering to the Anima/Animus inputs to operate of its own AI programming, partitioning its experiences as Alvis away until A is ripped out of it. These relations to the Trinity Processor remain vital to the very end of the known trilogy, and so we must keep its place in the story in mind while analyzing the events of the story even after the “Trinity Processor” proper left it. So now for Z… Z is not Alpha. Z is not Ontos. Some of the very few facts we know of Z is that he is the Moebius “force” manifested to a physical form, that he controls Aionios, and that he explicitly refers to Alpha in the literal opening seconds of Future Redeemed as “My God.” Knowing this, is it really that much of a stretch that Z would deign to have fashioned himself two new entities out of the same, pure force of Moebius that he came from, in the forms of X and Y? One made to destroy, and one made to create? One made to reap the life force that his world was built on, and one made to strengthen it? One in the visage of a woman, wielding a scythe as her tool of slaughter, and one in the visage of a man, wielding his bare hands and body to create and defend his work? Their roles in Aionios are actually far more significant than N and M, but their roles were made as imitations and mockeries of a “Holy Trinity” as Z saw it and only existed to serve him and could only serve as an extension of his own powers, leading to them being weaker than N and M in a sheer power sense and being significantly less important as bosses in a meta sense because it was akin to chopping off the literal left and right hands of Z rather than destroying a third of the world each time. Probably less than that given they return during Z’s final fight. As far as your comment on N and M and them being “more important” in a meta sense goes: They didn’t possess more major roles in this story because they were more important as parts of Aionios, but because they were important as parts of the protagonists. That being said, if Z’s powers were in fact derived from the combined fear and will of humanity manifesting within and overriding the core of the Ontos-based Origin, it only goes to further the idea that the Anima/Animus representations in N and M managed to usurp the mock-Ontos entity of Z and its mock-Logos and mock-Pneuma subsystems.

While they’re not intrinsic parts of his “””biological””” identity and are more incidental influences on his character, could it be possible that Jin and Amalthus form a trinity with Logos? Because Malos’s destructive urges come from Amalthus, but Malos says he exists for Jin’s benefit and Klaus confirms that Jin and Malos sought their goal together to the end. Could it be said that the two of them were what made Logos complete?

fractal trinitites

At least the music is awesome 😂

@@Azurald55 If you manage to time the guitar solo to when the Queens appear it's actually spine-tingling

Noah and Mio Nia and Melia Na’el and Matthew

My crackpot theory is that they represent sides of jungian psychology (which can be seen in N/Noah) The Persona The persona, also referred to as the “mask,” signifies the outward face that each human being presents to the world. It’s not our true self but represents our “conformity” within society. Like acting, the persona is the performance we put on for others, which isn’t who we really are. = Z The Shadow The shadow archetype represents the animal side of our personality. From the shadow, individuals gain both creative and destructive energies, which influence their predispositions. This includes all the things that individuals do not want to know about themselves or do not like. It is the part of the unconscious that is most accessible by the conscious = Alpha The Self The self is an intrinsically important part of Jung’s Analytical Psychology. The self is what proves a sense of unity in the human experience. Every individual should be aiming to achieve a state of selfhood to create a balance between the conscious and unconscious = A. Meanwhile, Ontos is Genderless but A is the Anima of Ontos and Alpha is the Animus of it.

Mobius as a whole is that they are all so extra and slay

SOCIAL CREDIT DEDUCTED

XC2: What if an unhappy person awakened an Aegis? XC3: What if every single person at their worst moment awakened a malfunctioning Aegis at the same time?

A is ontos they have the Crystal as an earring and we are explicitly told in the game that they are ontos

Fun thoughts

Y is the flame clocks one

Ontos reverted to a core crystal at some point post Xenoblade Chronicles 1. I assume that to some extent Alvis was sort of soft reset when he became dormant, hence why we see him in such a radicalized form in Future Redeemed. He christened himself as Alpha and all memories of his time as a homs was locked away, eventually birthing A when Ghondor attempted to split Alpha from Na'el.

I think is "Something is beginning to move" or something like that

I’m pretty sure it is either “the two queens of aionios” or “congregating lives” but I’m fairly sure it is the first one

@@koj30 Thank you. Another theme I tried to find. Was in a quests with Fiona and a painter talking. The music in the background sounded really good. It's probably regular quest music. But if you know it tell me.

@@nathaniel7165 Thank you. Yes it was Two Queens of Aionios. I thought it was Bolearis's theme.

@@nathaniel7165 Another theme I tried to find. Was in a quests with Fiona and a painter talking. The music in the background sounded really good. It's probably regular quest music. But if you know it tell me.

Regardless of it being intentional or not, the game leaves a lot of things in open so people can interpret in the way they want these factors, that's a charm of XC3.