Thank you, your insights are very much appreciated. One thing to consider is the criticism that someone should have put together a team of 'trained' professionals. Perhaps that's true. Who is to say that GLM ever would have been found? Without the discovery in 1999 none of this would be taking place....the discovery happened in great measure to the exceptional research of Jochen Hemmleb and the random sheer luck of Conrad straying below the established search area. Thanks so much for watching, I truly appreciate it and do appreciate your comment.

So true and great insight...I appreciate your thoughts and also for watching and caring enough to contribute.

@@EverestMystery hi Thom, hi everyone

It makes one wonder if there really is the desire to solve the mystery. Perhaps more is ultimately to be gained by "not knowing"?

The desire is probably there but we all have to remember that his remains are at 27000 feet and frozen to the ground. Just getting to the body would likely take months of preparation and then you are still relying on weather and plain good luck. Just my perspective

Quite correct and concise. Without questions, no amount of NEW DATA can solve this. However, if we apply NEW QUESTIONS of the data we have, then a beyond reasonable doubt circumstantial case is attainable. In archaeology you learn that just digging up more ancient trash isn’t going to solve anything. We learn by questioning, not digging.

It's a pleasure, thank you!

MadMartigan, I couldn’t have said it better! It’s such an entrapping story. Once i get one tidbit of the story, I hang on, eagerly, to get the next tidbit. So, many people try to throw in their 50 cents when they weren’t even there, they didn’t have any direct or even indirect relationship to the 1999 expedition. I like hearing it from the horses mouth, the brave climbers who trudged around the steep slope, unroped, taking great risk of falling to try yo complete the Mallory/Irvine climb to be the first to conquer Mount Everest. Thom, I hope this is not rude to ask and you can be straight forward with me in answering. Was there ever a time that any of the team felt like keeping just a tiny part of Mallory’s climbing gear/small piece of his climbing clothing as keepsake? As a sort of personal homage to George Mallory? Please know I’m not trying to ask this in a disrespectful way, but as in a way that the climbers might even take a tiny article of Mallory to the summit as maybe a tribute to the man. Thanks Thom!

Perhaps one day I'll have all of them here in one place. Thanks for being here, much appreciated!

They were definitely tough individuals! The incredible commitment, the physical and emotional sacrifice....

I believe they got to the summit

Thank you John! An archaeologist! What most of the authors got wrong about the watch is that none of them bothered to ask me about finding it....except for Jochen and Mark Synnott. All the others got parts of the wrong. I just unearthed more artifact photos yesterday....will endeavor to share them soon. Cheers my friend!

@@EverestMystery Hi Thom, I’m working on an artifact by artifact, Datapoint by Datapoint, re-analysis of what we know and what we can find out by looking closer at what we have. Towards refining the timeline I’m interested in that watch you found. So, I’m writing a first draft soon, but would like your input to be part of it, agree with my opinions or not is fine and you may add and criticize whatever you like. You’ve lived this thing for a long time and are an authority. I’m doing this as a hobby interest. My point is to illuminate “what happened” and not necessarily to prove Mallory and Irvine summited. If you’re interested, I will send you preliminary text as soon as I have it. I find this a fascinating archaeological and cultural case to which to apply some different analytical techniques. Success in this process is separating the possible from the probables. Thanks again for that new watch photo. It made a very positive difference, as you will see (but may choose to disagree with). Cheers.

@@JohnDavidHays although you left this message a year ago....all the best to you on your endeavors!

@@EverestMystery Thank you, Thom. It is now obvious that you, along with Andy Politz, discovered THE key clue that has solved most of the Mallory and Irvine summit question. It’s now clear just how the watch’s box crystal popped off in Mallory’s pocket during his fatal plunge, and how the hands stopped moving at that moment - without damage to the watch. As Odell saw them somewhere on the ridge at 12:50 PM on June 8th, and the watch stopped at 1:27, in 37 minutes it’s not possible for them to have suddenly turned around and made it back to the spot Mallory fell from. Odell says they were strongly moving up to the west on the ridge. Thus, Thom, Mallory’s watch is showing 1:27 AM, just after midnight on June 9th - that’s when Mallory fell and died. That’s 12 hours and 37 minutes after Odell last saw them. What were they doing all that time up in the Death Zone? If they sat still, they would have frozen dead. Mallory and Irvine spent that time summiting Everest, and then struggling to make it back to Camp VI - but they died late in the night. Everest Summit Fever’s first victims. Late start by todays’s standards. There’s a lot more technical detail in my analysis than what I’m presenting here. Thom, I’m not laying it on too thick when I say that you and Andy discovered the answer when you guys went back to Mallory one last time and found that watch in his pocket. If you hadn’t, there would be no hard evidence.

​@@JohnDavidHays Hi, John! That was an incredibly interesting read. Is there any way I can read your full analysis? Your comment was kind of like an epic teaser trailer lol.

It felt like pure chance...when I got hired to go on this expedition I hadn't met a single person on the entire team....now, several of them are among my closest friends in life.

@@EverestMystery are you planning any interviews with any of the other team members? I know you have a Politz interview coming out soon.

Indeed! ....and at the site where GLM lay, the same experience happened to me. It was striking....

Or a museum in somewhere in Tibet.... Thank you for watching!

More to come! Thank you!

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Paul, thank you! Glad you enjoyed it

Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!

Super interesting. Thank you! If only I had possession of the altimeter, I'd do just that. I will investigate the possibility of this scenario taking place. thank you Alex for your insight. Cheers!

You can't say that 100% for sure unless you know the exact history of the altimeter before it was taken on that expedition, for example was it possibly in an unpressurized aircraft before the Mallory expedition that flew at high altitude? Did the manufacturer test them in a simulated environment that would have produced results equal to high altitude? Without knowing the exact history of the device and whether or not the mechanism inside was exposed to that criteria you'll still never know 100% for sure. Also, the barometric pressure at different altitudes is not fixed, it varies with the changing daily barometric pressure, you can find lower barometric pressures on Everest at an altitude that's actually lower than where Mallory's body is at that would match the pressure at the summit on a different day, on one day the pressure at the summit could be the same as the pressure at an altitude lower than Mallory's body all it takes is one good low pressure zone to move in, so the lab at Berkeley still wouldn't be able to tell you whether or not it made it's way to the summit or not and I'm sure one of them there would explain that to you.

I endeavor to make that journey someday! It must have been incredible to see it firsthand!

@@EverestMystery I had a tear in my eye if I’m honest. Those items knew it all, they had all the secrets. He was a giant of a man, more than a legend, but the flecks off blood a testament to his mortality, with those humble few possessions and garments at the end of his life.

The artifacts are all in museums, such as the Royal Geographical Society in London, as far as I know. Mark Synnott's book The Third Pole discusses it a bit, as he went for a first-hand look of the axe and boot, among other things. I plan to go see them again someday.... Thank you!

@@EverestMystery Hi Thom. How about this for a coincidence - I just picked up some prints from the RGS in london just now. I mentioned you to them / asked about the objects. Many of them are on loan to Bowers in California for an exhibition there.

@@arsenal10141014 super cool, I hope you saw the artifacts!

LOL, indeed my friend! In 2019 as well as in 1999 we had VPK's with us....the film in 1999 didn't come out, but I've yet to learn if the images from 2019 ever made the light of day. Sounds like you are ALL IN on Everest! I agree with you that it's a hell of a lot better than the news which clogs up our airwaves these days. Stay in touch, and do let me know if you have success with photos from the VPK! Cheers my friend

There unfortunately were no rocks found in Mallory's pockets...yes, indeed, people typically take a summit rock (I did). I have another given to me by my mentor Bradford Washburn, who was gifted said rock from a 1984 expedition. Where do you work? I'd love to know more.... Thank you for watching!

The layer of limestone at the summit is steeply slanted, so similar rocks can be found a considerable distance down from the exact summit.

@@EverestMystery Canadian expat exploration geologist in Namibia. After watching many of your videos, I realise that I have asked a rather naïve question, that many have asked before! Ever climbed the Brandberg?

@@aeromodeller1 Thank-you.

Here is a professional paper on the geology of the Everest range. www.earth.ox.ac.uk/~mikes/map/Searle.Everest.pdf

Thank you Elisabeth, I appreciate your kindness! I enjoy this and have fun talking to other people about it. This process has also helped me hone in on my own beliefs about what happened on June 8th 1924.... Thanks as always!

The Norton Couloir is a possible scenario. Seems possible that might have been the route they chose, but no one knows, unfortunately. Thank you for watching!

The khumbu glacier moves about 4 feet every day.

I'm pretty sure that his body is actually frozen to the ground.

Slow your roll a little. We all know GLM was British. The artifacts *_are_* at the RGS, with permission of the family. I don't understand the need for such assumptions, and knee jerk reactions.

I'm not sure why you're so dramatic over the British thing? I'm in Scotland. I don't hold a grudge about items going elsewhere and I believe the family consented. It seems to me that the mountaineering community sticks together, regardless of where people are from. There's also an issue with items possibly being in china or Tibet...

It's great having you here, thank you. I agree with you on the negative comments. They used to bug me to no end....but I have done the work and take them with a grain of salt. I've also hidden a bunch of people from the channel...repeat offenders or obtusely racist or unkind individuals that have no place on this channel. I'm with you on the not necessarily caring if M&I made it to the summit. Regardless, what they accomplished is beyond measure. Ahh, if only Mallory and Teddy Norton had teamed up for a crack at the top! Thanks for being here!

Here's a darn good start: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7ibqK12rLO0p4U.html in the notes under the video is a link where you can have a closer look at all the search areas. Cheers, my friend! Perhaps a book is in order...

Mark Synnott's book The Third Pole: Mystery, Obsession, and Death on Mount Everest would be a great book for this. Cheers!

Because selfish people refuse to share information. Those people want to be the ones that make the discoveries and limit information so others don't have a change. Now because of it too many things are lost with time that nobody will be able to find them. The people that are the most involved are also the reason progress can't move forward, they only want the pieces put together by themselves and nobody else.

@@hdlivemodels I have on many occasions said that there are searches that need to take place on Everest and I'm not the one to do it. I'll offer beta to anyone going. Admittedly, one does get tired of the incessant trolling of disempowered followers of an unnamed conspiracy buffoon who is constantly slinging shade. Buy me dinner sometime, I'll talk right through the after dinner drinks.... The Discord channel for first tier of members on this channel is a good place to start

I've discussed this on many occasions. There were none. Not even a tiny spec of sand. Virtually everything found was brought to Base Camp, there were no rocks, such as the ones I gathered on the occasions that I was up there.

Hey I always wanted to be SOME-body! LOL Thanks Ted hope all is well in SE Asia my friend 😎🙏

@@EverestMystery From now on let's communicate using our secret decoder rings. I don't want to get caught up in your conspiracy and you definitely don't want to get caught up in mine....

The watch was facing 'in' inside GLM's pocket, and there was no sign of the crystal. I came to the conclusion that it had fallen off before he placed it in his pocket. In regards to the position of the hands, I felt sure at that moment that because he'd placed the watch facing toward his body that the hands probably didn't move much after going into the pocket. The list of artifacts does exist....unfortunately there is not a camera or film on the list. Thank you for watching!

@@EverestMystery Thank you for that information. I found a KZfaq video of a watch repair in which the plastic crystal was pressure domed to fit inside the bezel and released to a tight fit using a crystal press. I found a cross sectional diagram of the watch, printed it out and scaled some dimensions. It shows the edge of the crystal beveled, larger on the back face than the front. The bezel is similarly beveled. Once sprung into place, the crystal is securely retained. I considered the temperature that would be required to release the crystal from the bezel with the bevel and found it would take -127 degrees C. Not likely on Everest, at its coldest. So I must dismiss the hypothesis that Mallory's watch crystal fell out due to the cold. My previous calculation did not consider the bevel. There were early reports that plastic watch crystals fell out in extreme cold. I suspect the first plastic crystals were inserted in the same way as previous glass crystals, without consideration for the difference in thermal coefficient, so early plastic crystals might have fallen out in cold weather. Manufacturers would have quickly responded to the problem with the obvious solution of pressure doming the crystal into a beveled bezel. I am thinking glass is too brittle to be flexed. Returning to Mallory's watch, the question arises as to why the crystal was missing. The plastic was supposedly "unbreakable" under trench warfare conditions. How could it have broken in a little stroll up a mountain? Temperature again comes into play. The cameras used in the Houston Flight over Everest had to be heated. Otherwise the roll film would have shattered when wound. The film base was Celluloid. It becomes brittle at low temperature. It is possible the low temperature made the watch crystal fragile enough to shatter under impacts it normally would have withstood. Which pocket was the watch in? Would it have been exposed to the cold?

They did check his pockets. Wherever you got that info is sadly mistaken and poorly informed. There were no rocks unfortunately in any of the pockets. Cheers and thank you for watching! Truly appreciate you being here

For sure, and the clock is ticking as the older climbers die off. Thank you for watching!

Very interesting....and apologies for not replying to that. I will have to look into this, as it's certainly worth some inspection. I'm not entirely sure the '52 Russian expedition existed, and have only barely tapped into writings regarding it. Love the soap opera reference! :)

Anything is possible - (there were no rocks or pebbles in his front pockets). Thanks for watching!

Hi Alex, no rocks were found, unfortunately. For those pinning hopes on M&I making the summit by way of rocks having been found (or not) in GLM's pockets, the supposition would therefore be that they did not make it to the summit. Cheers and thanks so much for watching!

Interesting fact photo of his wife not found.

Nothing happens to Hillary and Norgay, the rule in mountaineering is it doesn't count if you don't come back down alive.

Someone did a post lambasting the ‘99 team for not explicitly saying we were looking for summit rocks. We weren’t looking for a pencil, though, and found one anyway. Or, a letter and found one. There were no rocks in his pockets. Some feel this is how to prove he made the summit. Without having a look at Irvine it is impossible to know. Truly appreciate that you watched the video. Thank you!

Thanks so much for your thoughts. It's probably never going to be proven that anyone other than the Chinese were the first to summit on the north via the ridge route. However, I believe there is a tendency to dissuade climbers and teams from uncovering anything to prove the contrary. At the same time, they aren't interested in using the mountain to raise funds, as Nepal is, and aren't motivated by money. In fact, they are truly interested in keeping the mountain clean, as well as free of bodies. I appreciate that you watched, thank you!

@@EverestMystery Thank you kindly. I know more about the situation now, plus that I checked your YT contribution and others. Many thanks dear Thom, we appreciate what you do, this with a positive and sympathetic attitude, ïn contrast to some of the others out there! /Hakan

@@hni7458 thank you!

LOL, oh man, perhaps I named him the wrong name! Good call on the Yeti!

Odell was a very, very strong climber, indeed. In reading journals of team members, I've read that he was not fast, but acclimatized very well, which is everything in the mountains. On another note, I'm in the camp that believes Irvine's ice axe was found in 1933, just below the ridge. Cheers and THANK YOU, always good hearing your thoughts!

Completely agree, he followed on Norton’s footsteps and went either the Couloir or the zigzag route

Yes, could be right. But, could be wrong.... Where Odell saw them is important. I am in the minority in this belief, but feel they were much farther east than most have placed them. Thanks as always for your thoughts!

It's possible!

I'd have to defer to the producers of PBS Nova and the BBC. I suppose Dr. Peter Hackett would have been a good addition (he was on the next film I did with Nova, called Deadly Ascent, filmed on Denali the following year). My role in the endeavor came into being six weeks before departure, at a time where I had never even heard the names 'Mallory & Irvine' until the producer offered me the gig. My gut instinct when I got hired went like this (and I quote) "there's no way in hell we're ever going to find a body up there. But, if they want to pay me to go film a documentary on Everest, I'm all in."

Generally speaking, no, it doesn't matter worth a penny. However, given that Everest is the highest mountain in the world - The Third Pole - humans are endlessly fascinated by firsts and the attempts at being the first. Will learning the truth of this change our lives? Not really? If M&I were found to have been the first on top, it would indeed change the record books. For me personally, I believe that the mystery leads people to the story because within the story is a story of desire, passion, drive, love, the force of human willpower to go to a place where no one has ever gone. The story inspires people (well, it inspires me). I've always maintained that Everest in and of itself is not important. However, and again for me personally, it has become a portal wherein I am able to talk to students and audiences about human endeavor, about going after one's dreams, about success and failure, about dreaming and believing we are capable of the impossible. So, in the end, no, it doesn't matter. But then again, it matters very much. Thank you for watching! I appreciate your comments and honestly LOVE these kinds of questions. Be well and hope to see more of you here!

@@EverestMystery Beautiful reply. Actually I should have commented on another channel, but that guys animosity and - yes, fanatism is disturbing me. I'm not a climber, so I can't speculate on the basis of the facts. I just ask myself: What would change in my great respect for these men, if the mystery could finally be solved? If M+I made it to the summit - would it even increase my respect for them ( maybe at the expense of H+T )? Certainly not! If they definitively didn't make it - I would still admire their courage. We westerners have a sad approach to these overwhelming landscapes (and to many other things too!) Always thinking about Best-of-Lists and our place on them. I have to admit, I'm sympathizing more with the mentality of the natives. They must think we are crazy. And they are right.

@@EverestMystery nailed it 👌

@@EverestMystery What I try to say is: Mountaineering (and in a wider sense being on the way/on the road) must be a spiritual experience. If you just aspire to be the first or the fastest or having a summit picture to show around - then it gets banal. For Mallory, his endeavours maybe had this transcendental quality. For Irvine it was yet probably more another adventure (or am I doing this young, goodlooking guy wrong?) For keeping the "mystery" and hence our interest and fascination alive, the question of success or failure is indeed important, I agree with you. That is: As long as it's not solved. I hope it will never be.

@@markus6425 my friend, you might enjoy this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ot9oea6TtLDJXYk.html

I unfortunately don't have access to all the documents and have access to zero of the video content. I do have Jochen's list of artifacts....and will endeavor to unearth video and bring it here.

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@xenophagia you can easily swap out the missing watch hands in any watch...someone obviously took out the set of watch hands and probably put them inside their rolex as a souvenir...this is tourists grave robbing a historical figure

He's a total love bug....frequently in need of attention!

@@EverestMystery he sure made a subscriber of me! 😀

@@aunum Simba and I very much appreciate you!

​​​​@@EverestMysterySo, is your cat named Simba? I'm a little confused lol. I saw a comment right before this that referred to your cat as Simba, and you replied something along the lines of "Oh man. Perhaps I named him the wrong name. Good call on the yeti."

Not holding back anything that would necessarily change the game....merely saving the story for what I am currently writing. Money is the farthest thing from what I'm after....my motivation is to hopefully inspire people to go after their dreams, to be kind to others (even if they disagree) and to endeavor to live more sustainably. Cheers and thank you for watching

@Everest Mystery - Thom Dharma Pollard I didn't mean that in a mean way. Seriously. In this day and age everyone is after cash. I'm just curious, since this mystery is so close to your heart, why anything would be held back. If it's the location Irvine then that's a big deal. So was just asking........

@@adventurfly879 thanks for the further thought, truly....if we had found Irvine in 2019 the world would have known in 5 minutes....National Geographic would not have let us hold that back, they would have milked it for maximum value. Honestly, there are so many trolls reacting to the nonsense of a couple conspiracy slinging buffoons out there that I've grown tired to talking about M&I.

Do you mean Werner Herzog the film maker?

Not sure where the pack was. Given what was probably a violent fall, chances are that it came off or was left behind....