I think the next episode will show how how the infection spread

That would be a good intro!

I think we will see the bombing

maybe flour from jakarta come from ukraine or russia, because indonesia, malaysia, thailand, philippines, vietnam, cambodia are rice eater and have many paddy field more. south east asian civilizations base on rice. java, thailand and vietnam(included, champa, malay base civs in mainland) are rice importer.

i like this pattern of pre outbreak or early outbreak to open the episode. Hopefully it continues. And i assume it would be pretty dark.

Very true - shows the ripple effect it can have!

Guess my ADHD forgetfulness would be a super power after all 😆

@@Isabella_ Despite being a fatass, id probably forget lol

Adhd for the wij

To be fair he had a very busy work day

Also cookies

biscuits are my weakness

I would survive. The pro about COVID making you become gluten free 😂

Fat 💀💀💀

Don't forget about bread and other foods that require flour as an ingredient

🤣😂omgg

There's dark humor for you.

omg hahahahahaha

That's true...she avoided getting the virus & survived the ensuing chaos only to get got by a soldier Cray cray

Dodged infection but couldn’t dodge a bullet.

true 😂

Where's the fun in that?

Gluten allergy is a made up ailment of the last ten seconds of humanity

Could cause problems later on. If you have a limited diet in a post apocalyptic world with resource issues, you might experience difficulty staying nourished.

Good luck surviving 20 years in a apocalypse when you can't eat like a third of the food around

@@botoxbabyy oohhh a joke about a fictional character how dark!

@@botoxbabyy holocaust? Okay dude

@@josephjoestar4633 I mean he said very loosely but still...

@@maximilianschulz6455 still absurd

@@botoxbabyy how is that based very loosely on event like holocaust ? Lmfao , fcking nitpicking . It could also be “vErY lOoSeLY” based on the Jews massacring the Palestinian too if you want to nitpick it that way 🤷🏻‍♂️ or the Americans bombing the shlt out of the Syrian civilians, or killing them million Iraqis 🤷🏻‍♂️ could also be based very loosely on that . I mean , I did said “vErY lOoSeLy 🤓” soo

How are the fungus surviving cooking when they barely evolved enough to survive in humans only when they got "perfect conditions".

@@526235680 Fungal spores are covered in one of the hardest natural materials on earth harder than our teeth. Spores can also survive in space which is both super hot in sun light and very cold in the shadows. Once a spore makes it inside a body or plant they open up out of their shell and the fungus starts to spread.

@@synth8519 well pretty much every bread, or baked product does have to be cooked at really high temperatures. It varies a bit, but between 300 and 450 Fahrenheit is normal. That’s way higher than human body temperature which is about 100 Fahrenheit, so the fungus should not survive… of course it’s just a story, so let’s not let facts get in the way of enjoying it.

@@beefmadeoutofpork6789 flame throwers could've saved a lot of people basically lol

That's a great theory

Well the whole idea of fate is played with a lot and then is directly talked about during the sniper shootout episode

Sarah instead of tess working with Joel to get ellie to the fireflies then Sarah dying, and then we'd be more connected with Sarah. Oof imagine! I wish we got to see more of Sarah in the game and series

If she was meant to survive, she wouldn’t have died by the soldier…🤦🏻‍♂️

@@90skidcultistleast media illiterate KZfaq commenter

Totally agree!

Her name is Christine Hakim, living legend Indonesian actress.

@@alvifadhollah nobody care about you Indonesian , so . Also , the story is a bit stupid as shlt , to instantly jump into the conclusions of “bombing the entire city” , as if they knew the infection is zombie-like , and not just of similar affect like Rabies . They didn’t even know what it causes to human . It also feel dumb to also instantly bomb the place when they’re not even sure if the fungi had already leaked outside of the city , I mean it’s Indonesia , it’s a jam packed country with shlt tons of people cramped in like sardines , it could’ve easily broke out into the other part of the country . By the way , all of the scenario in Jakarta is pretty stupid overall , because firstly , NO Indonesian police would care that much to personally find that exact specific professor and him personally investing his own time to research the fungi and the victims ALONE 😂 not even another professor , not even another military scientist or anything , just some dumb Policeman with sloppy looking attire, caring so much about to know all about it himself 😂 when in reality they won’t even bat an eye to a murder case then take a bribe for it , kinda like how the Indian police does 😂😂

It was top notch acting for sure, nearly gave me goosebumps. Imagine just living your life as any other day and then narrowly survive being bombed and not even know why, only to have infected people running after you shortly afterwards.

When the leading doctor/scientists says to use violence, you know you're fucked

Not to mention the license plate is bali not Jakarta

100% my ass - the license plate is from bali - a chinese as hospital security?? - she asks to bomb? In desperate time like that, the government will just asks it's people to do sholat, pray, istigfar, and other religious nonsense

The crazy thing is that it was filmed in Canada. It really fit the look of 2000s JKT

@@govinpillai3475 wow didn't know about that 😲🔥

Also, the actress who played the doctor is Christine Hakim, a veteran actress. Like she's Indonesian Meryl Streep. And the police actor is usually always playing as the policeman in Indonesian Soap Opera or we called it "Sinetron".

Yes, that's a good point!

He said that just because the biscuits are horrid 😂

also Atkins was all the rage in 2003, he was just being polite with the Atkins excuse since the neighbors are nice but nosey old people, they were facing money problems that is why he didn't buy the ingredients for pancakes

We can tell he just lied to not eat those biscuits as he was gonna eat pancakes and later was gonna eat cake

He was joking to get out of eating the biscuits and avoid his annoying neighbors. Notice how sarah doesn't even know what Atkins is and asks Joel, proving that they are not on atkins. If they were on atkins why would they want to buy a cake (even if they forgot it miraculously)?

Most definitely!

I mean who doesn't hate raisin cookies lol

@@industrialholywater exactly

​@desiree rosales I don't. Those are my favorites. I would have been so screwed.

@@well-dressed-bird I gotta respect that… it is a more healthier choice other cookies

Pretty huge breadcrumbs

they left whole loafs lol

Good thing I missed them then, wouldn’t want the wheat to trigger a Cordyceps infection

Whole fucking bread factory in only XL size

youre a genius. such a good eye. people thought marlene was giving her special treatment. they were actually testing her immunity through food since they knew bites didn't turn her.

@@jacobasnodgrass5853 but there's a plothole, how can they find a flours for making bread? should flours been banned or the factory has stopped since 20 years cause it's source of the infection?

@Andersen you have a good point, maybe flower, and wheat were ban, but just like Joel and Tess where smugglers, maybe there's some other people smuggling wheat, flower, and bread

Yeah, no, that'd be nonsensical. The survivors wouldn't have reason to be deliberately keeping cordyceps-infested flour, and Marlene wouldn't be putting it in Ellie's sandwiches without even warning her not to hand to anyone else. (She could have very easily shared.). The cordyceps-infested flour and grain was a 2003 thing for particular shipments by a particular factory.

@@andersen240 True! The infection did not come from the flour!

What I find a nice detail is the background idea behind that. Joel was later allowed into the city, right? There’s no way a man suffering from the murder of his daughter wouldn’t have screamed it out in camp. That more than likely implies there was a military revolt, with senior officers who threw around orders like that getting shot as deserved. That, however, would lead to the eternal martial law that we see in game, as no one left wanted to give up the power to simply shoot corruption in the head. Every last thing would be by the books, or it would be ‘tried for treason’. This leads to the Firefly revolts, and the war that occurs as Joel leaves that day in game, ending in the death of Fireflies there, but the military is quietly not heard from again ether. Never seeing Part 2 so I haven’t heard if the Military still exists like that. While the Fireflies were f*cked in the head in the end, the initial ideas they sprouted were common things any American could get behind, so I wonder what the zone thought of that, of all of them being shot and destroyed.

u rlly had to say that huh.

You just had to go there didn't you lol.

😅 f-

💀

Same tho

Always knew raisin cookies were evil

Them pancakes would’ve did me in

Fuck raisins all my homies hate raisins

Ugh raisins...

Probably had a stronger immune system and would have got sick later.

Nah, baking cookies need very high temp. The fungus should've been dead. The only reasonable theory is someone cut his hand and dip it in the flour.

@RubiiX Could be other things. Like quantity consumed. Either way a lot of people were sick quickly, and the series went out of the way to show they didn't eat any flour products at all.

@RubiiX They got it first due to a weaker system that's not that you wouldn't still get it later. It's established only Ellie is immune.

@RubiiX They are probably people on the other side of the planet with immunity. For the purposes of the story they might as well be on the moon. It could also be Ellie is the only person left on the planet with immunity.

@I am Fighterman What are you talking about?

Once I found out HBO will be producing the series, I knew it was going to be good. HBO produced a lot of great shows so it wasn't worrying that they decided to adapt the last of us. If it was in the hands of Netflix, it would have been terrible.

@@danaal8637 the only problem with hbo is they make it so fast that it become shit like GOT but if they go slow and steady then they can be great at making some fairhful adaptation of every game and book

@@kitogg7292 game of thrones was really good though until the last few seasons but that wasn't HBO's fault. It turned out that the writers/directors of the show rushed it so fast because Disney offered them to write the upcoming Star Wars. So they rushed it so fast and didnt give a shit or respect the fans that have been waiting to see how it goes. Thankfully, after almost everyone disliking the final season and calling it poor writing, Disney decided to drop them. 🤭

@@danaal8637 oh i always thought that they did that because of hbo excecutives

@@danaal8637 and Amazon would have been worse

Exactly. The infected flour version doesn't hold water, it's a complete nonsense.

That’s what I’m saying I’m wondering.

I was confused about this as well, so this is what I’m theorizing: Flour often gets disturbed when worked into a recipe or dusted on a surface. This could release spores into the air allowing them to be inhaled. If inhalation only affects the immune compromised (a theory I read in a few threads), then this could explain the initial spread. Once the immune compromised is infected then they can infect others via contact by mouth, biting or scratching. I’m definitely interested to hear others thoughts on this though.

yes this also if the fungus had infected the food supply this widely, they would have eventually had some flour leading up to the weeks of the outbreak. its incredibly implausible that avoiding gluten for just 24 hrs kept them from being infected. the immunocompromise theory seems more plausible but would mean that like the walking dead, it would mean the fungus infection is actually in everybody.

Another reason not to eat raw cookie dough I guess.

Possibly ergot, a fungus that parasitises rye. It does not parasitise animals BUT the toxin from it damages the nervous system.

Uh no?

@@melanief4115 uh yes?

@@melanief4115 Yes it's called ergot and it makes LSA which is one chemical group away from LSD

Yes ergot is one theory for why the hysteria around witches happened but the bakers were not the ones being hung. It was the women outside of society and people who disagreed with the hunt that were being blamed not the town bakers.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Sorry to disappoint you, but fungi can't survive baking temperature. If it were because of the biscuits, the whole house would turn at the same time, not only after the grandma bit them.

@@phucth91 it’s mutated in this universe could very well survive

Agreed...in the first episode with the panel. It was mentioned a change in temperature would effect this process. So, in theory it would have survived.

​​@@phucth91 The bit is some people don't cook their food all the way, prep afterwards with flour and sugar still on there hands, eat raw dough. There's ways it can still survive. It's just the idea anyway that they had this many close calls with products that had previously been contaminated with it. I didn't even put Episode 1 & 3 together until seeing this video.

Wasnt it a bar?

@@incognitospider330 I remeber it as a restorant/cafe 🤔🤷

@@incognitospider330 I thought it was a bar too

@@incognitospider330 yeah Tommy said bar. At least in the show

Yeah feels like that is definitely the case!

Same observations. I recalled the pancake and cake when Joel told the story. I missed the cookies and biscuits.

Wouldn’t the cordercypes fungus just die once it was cooked .I doubt that it could survive in more than 300 degrees

@@salvadorbenitez2684 well of course the fungi in the movie would have evolved to resist such temperatures

... yeah, they literally said that in the video...

Yeah, you don't need to come up with some batshit theory that the fungus that just evolved to survive in humans can suddenly withstand oven temperatures. People got infected and went missing before the infection was discovered. That's all you need to fully explain the spread of cordyceps.

That's probably why all those planes crashed down from the skies in episode 1

I think the jist is that there was enough flour contaminated and a short infection time to start spreading it quickly

It doesn't always take 2 days even in the game. Sam went from bit to fully infected in less than 24 hours in the game.

@@averagefanenjoyer8696 you right, episode 3 finally gave us an accurate time frame for the infection, which is pretty cool.

It probably got to the adlers really easily due to a weak immune system. These are old people we’re talking about.

They way it spread to humans was by being able to withstand in higher temperatures. Maybe this was extended to be able to withstand oven temps?

Yes it should have.

The fungus would definitively not survive the heat of the oven, but I guess of cause you would at least inhale some of the flour dust while processing it, or even touch your face while doing it and get the infested flour in to your mouth, eyes...

Its called a plothole evolving to withdtand higher temperatures means by like within a few degrees not Suddenly being able to withstand all heat

@@carlito19934 Do you now how messy working with flour can be, probably breathed it in or consumed just a bit of it

Could be that a rat got infected and bit the first human.

She was already infected, hence the twitching.

@@piphead was she? I thought she was just scared

@@jordansanchez131 yes the tendrils that she pulled out of the mouth bit her and she dropped the vice grips.

She wasn't infected. The tea cup happened when the soldier told her the situation. It was pure fear.

@RubiiX no that's being ignorant, ur being ignorant.

Yes

Just curious, what’s their reasoning for hating Ellie? Personally I think she’s killing it. Pun intended.

​@Megan McDonald They usually say she doesn't look like ellie. Thr actual reason is that they consider her unattractive

I wasn’t convinced by Ellie in the show. She doesn’t do the game Ellie justice in my opinion, but I watched for Joel. I played for Ellie and watched for Joel. It was a good game adapted to a good movie.

I think they just meant that the hospital was where the first infected arrived in that particular city, not where it originated from because in the intro of the first game, you can find a newspaper that says contaminated crops from south america got into the food supply , but good idea otherwise!

Any time a disease gets a hospital as ground zero I alway just assume people got sick and tried to get treatment at the hospital. Unfortunately, hospitals contain a lot of other people who can then catch it so that’s when it hits the fan.

Happy to help!

Glad you enjoyed the video!

Very true!

Glad to hear it!

Then even if they ate the birthday cake it wouldn’t make a difference

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

Glad you liked it!

Was looking for a comment like this! Half way through the video I couldn't take it anymore. What a waste of time.

@@LolaKlein It just bewilders me how most people don't seem to notice or mind, specially in a post-TikTok era

@@Umbra0023 I know. But wait, are we in a post-Tik Tok era already? I feel like Tik Tok is still peaking... unfortunately.

@@LolaKlein Oh, I meant "post" as in "after it became a thing", I guess like the way we have "b.c." and "a.d.", but not a "during Christ" era.

@@Umbra0023 ohh lol it makes total sense now rereading it 😂

I think he meant biscuit as in Cookie, narrator sounds British or Australian so to him a cookie is a biscuit.

I’m so use to accents that I didn’t catch he wasn’t American until he said biscuits were a sweet treat. Yeah. A sweet biscuit would be kind of gross. Cookies and gravy. Yum

@@vigodrakken7916 To be fair, there are the US version of biscuits being offered to Joel and Sarah in the morning when he says he’s on Atkins.

Definitely was!

That’s what I was thinking while watching the show most of the people who survived where either vegan or not being able to eat gluten.

Right I was trying not to get agitated from how much fluff he put in the explanation. Dude was trying to be too thorough lol

Thanks a lot!

The way cordyceps infection works in ants in real life is that the fungus controls the hosts muscles. Probably how it worked for granny in this case - doesn’t matter if she was in a wheelchair, her brain was not the one responsible for sending neurological commands to her legs.

It's not a big exporter but it has the largest flour mill in the world. Cordyceps is also more commonly found in Asia, so it does make sense for the outbreak to start there.

@@Nolaris3 that doesn’t contradict anything I wrote, if it’s not a big exporter in can’t spread just from there in 2 days to ravage the entire world. This can be one of the earliest and biggest outbreaks, but there must be many going on already or be simmering so it’s not obviously the first. There might be others all over Asia.

Glad to have helped!

Exactly. The baking would kill the spores. More likely, the infection must come from the flour... either inhaled while mixing the recipe or from licking the bowl....

Some fungal spores can survive 90C. Not totally implausible for it to evolve a higher tolerance?

@@crispyhoover8880 evolving to survive 180C- 250C is madness tho. Its already a crazy evolutionary jump to go and be able to infect humans. To then jump past 38C and survive past boiling temperatures when only the most evolved Organisms can survive is crazy. Most likely they got infected from inhaling/ ingesting the flout

The spores can survive those temperatures... once inside the human they grow into mycelium

@@user-gk7dn3ts1q When is is stated that they can survive upwards of 100C? Ive played both games and watched the show and no-one ever makes a comment like that. Also they clearly cant, as its stated numerous times that the fungus is vulnerable to fire. If they were so heat resistant, flames wouldnt be too much of an issue

According to the podcast episode 1 was longer because it was initially broken up into two episodes but they ended up changing it.

I don’t think very many people needed to use the flour - it’s just that once the sickness got to just a few people, the infection spread so efficiently that it didn’t matter.

Jakarta has the largest flour mill in the world btw

It’s not about how often people buy a bag of flour for personal use. It’s how often people eat a product with flour in it and if that came from a factory using infected flour. A few factories in a few different countries would be a real problem when people eat bread, cake, biscuits etc every day.

Capitalism. Apparently pears grown in argentina are shipped to korea to be chopped up and put into pots which are then shipped to the USA to eat. It's crazy fucked up.

You only buy flour once a year?? My family and many people I know bake a lot of bread/sweets or use it in cooking (pasta, sauces, stews, etc). So we have to buy a new bag at least once every two months. Maybe it's because I live in a European country where we apparently eat more bread than other continents? Almost everyone I know eat bread or a product containing a lot of flour every day, and little bit of sugar.

Its fiction!

You're right

The spores can survive those temperatures... once inside the human they grow into mycelium

Base temps to cook something like chocolate chip cookies is around 375 degrees and biscuits are like 425 to 450 degrees. There is no way a fungus survives to infect anything being hit with that for 10 to 20 minutes or more in an oven. This story is an interesting sci-fi take on a zombie apocalypse scenario using cordyceps fungus as the reason, but there little to no reality in the story. Cancel Reply

​@@user-gk7dn3ts1q But the TV show doesn't use spores, only the game does. Craig Mazin left spores out of the TV show deliberately.

could be from inhaling the flour? Or maybe it could be some other way like through fruit or vegetables but originated in a bread factory

@@agentchicken3577 Yes it could, but if we think about it that way, we cannot proceed the same way about the cake that Joel didn't get or the raisin cookies that Sarah didn't eat. I do get it about the pancake mix; by making it Sarah could have inhale the mix in some way or get it by touching the flour mix. I thought myself about the flour and the pancake mix when I listen to the episodes (1-2). But the cookies should have infected the daughter instead of the grand-mother, cause she is the one who prepared it and touch the flour. So I don't think the cookies nor the cake have anything to do with the infection being avoid.

The spores can survive those temperatures... once inside the human they grow into mycelium

@@user-gk7dn3ts1q Ok but it was already ok to survive the 100 degres of a human body, but not the 375 degres of an oven to bake a cake or cookies.

@@user-gk7dn3ts1q In TV series spores were removed as a source of infection (in close room Joel does not use mask with filter like in game). So this is inconsistency. Fungi spores are destroyed in temperature over 170 degrees F.