Salvation is an absolute masterpiece compared to what we're dealing with now.

Let's just all pretend all the movies after Terminator 2 don't exist, and demand James Cameron finally gives us his Terminator 3. Just like how I'm still waiting for a sequel to The Matrix.

“Skynet just wants to keep it competitive.” That’s the best summary of what’s wrong with this movie I’ve ever heard.

How is casting Terry Crews as a dead guy not a sin?

Terminator Salvation: Christian Bale's most Batman attempt at not being Batman In short: HE FUCKING WHISPERS EVERYTHING HE SAYS

So SkyNet captures teenage Kyle Reese in order to lure John Connor to them, so they can kill him? Instead of just killing teenage Kyle Reese immidiately and thereby also undo John Connors whole existence?? I thought machines where smart and logical... :S

I personally like salvation and I wish they would have kept going with the future war story instead of sending us back to the past. I like the way you went through the movie with a fear of not knowing when a terminator would show up.

I know I'm late but: Skynet is taking prisoners to study them in order to develop the living tissue used to cover the T800, so those prisoners didn't die immediately but got torn apart, flayed and dismembered.

"WHAT ARE YOU??!!" "I'm Batman"

Can we please create an 'Asian woman knows martial arts cliche' sin please? It's in every action movie now...

The reason they took prisoners was to use there skin and grow more of it from them for the t 800s

Just rewatched the both actual terminators. They straight up say it "Killing John Connor in the future after he started the resistance would be meaningless" So they basically forgot their own script.

The worst thing in this movie was, that they are supposed to be fking guerrilla fighters against the Machines... Since when are guerrillas so well equipped? They got tanks, Helicopters, submarines... they act, walk and talk like they are trained soldiers. Wtf. Makes it totally not in line with what was told in the last 3 movies.

first sin should have been : "this movie doesn't have arnold schwarzenegger"

I still believe this was Anton Yelchin's best role. He played a great Kyle Reese. RIP

The main problem with resistance command being on a submarine isn't the problem of the machines tracking it; we ALREADY use machines to detect subs and those things are NOT easy to find on sonar, assuming it's an up-to-date design of ship. No, the problem is communication. You can't establish radio contact with your assets on the surface AND be submerged and comfortably hidden at the same time. The US and USSR both built enormous radio transmitters to send messages with ludicrously long wavelengths that would be able to reach submarines hundreds of meters underwater, but low frequencies transmit data more slowly, so they could only send brief messages at any one time, usually directives to move closer to the surface in order to receive higher-frequency signals. For all intents and purposes, keeping constant contact with a submerged submarine is impossible.

You know what's most wrong with Terminator, since Terminator 1 and 2? The Terminators are NOT efficient killers!!! Terminator 1, the T-800 punches a guy in the chest, and RIPS HIS FUCKING HEART OUT!!! It then goes on to shoot a gun store owner point-blank, brutally kills all the other Sarah Connors', tears up an entire police precinct, fucks up multiple passersby, it's genuinely dangerous! Terminator 2, the T-1000 and T-800 are both murderous and efficient killers, the T-1000 kills and tortures plenty of people, including cops, passersby and John's foster parents. Terminator 3. The T-X makes a dumbass comment about a cop's gun and then we fade to black :/. Then Catherine's boyfriend bites it. Again, fade to black. There's no sense of the T-X or the T-850 being dangerous, they're just along for the ride. Here's a rule that should be observed in any Terminator film: if the Terminator makes it within arms reach of you, you're fucking dead! It's a giant machine with super strength, if it can punch through your chest, it can rip your limbs and head clean off. No more bullshit brawls and fights with the robotic monstrosity, okay? As for this nonsense, Terminator Salvation is just completely wrong, it's just wrong. We've seen the vision of the future. They don't get any joy from freaking assault rifles! They had futuristic weaponry in the flashbacks, and they used explosives, obviously, because small-arms fire is virtually useless against Terminators. It's disappointing that the Terminator apocalypse we saw in the original movie still looks better than what we got. Where are the armies of T-800's marching around the wasteland looking for humans? Where are the underground shelters that they used to refresh and resupply? Where are the infiltrators T-800's disguised as humans? Seriously, okay, seriously for a second. Stop trying to be too clever about this, Paramount, Skydance, whoever makes these movies. Stop trying to be too clever, stop trying to M. Night Shayamalan us with twists, just give us the story and environment we saw in Terminator 1!!! It's good enough without any of this extra bullshit!

Another few sins; almost ALL of the terminators just throw John across the room instead of just killing him.

Sam worringthon is such a badass, love the movie he’s been in and can’t wait for the future avatar movies

2:41 - Skynet would make a kill list to send its machines so that when they found specific targets they would know who they are and if they found multiple targets they would know who to prioritize. Also, to allow the human to intercept it allows them to feel like they got information they shouldn’t have, lulling them into a false sense of security. 4:37 - Decrepit old building rotting in a waste land, large machine with powerful jet engines flying past it?

5:50- They had to throw the tire iron, if they threw the gun then they wouldn't have a gun anymore. Duh!

Did Skynet take human prisoners to help build more machines and kill the ones that try to fight or escape? I think Kyle said something about human prisoners in the first film didn't he?

The last two Terminator movies make this one look like a quality movie.

6:19 no they are taking prisoners because they need real flesh for the new terminator models jesus

People hate this movie. I wonder how much more they would've hated it had they went with the original ending. I still enjoy Salvation. It has interesting elements to it.

IN THE FIRST MOVIE KYLE TIES HIS SHOTGUN TO HIS ARM BEFORE CONFRONTING THE TERMINATOR FOR THE FIRST TIME. SO THAT SCENE WAS A CALL BACK TO THAT.

Actually skynet does know about Kyle Reese. This is the 2nd timeline and skynet saw the footage from 1985 with Reese telling them about the war and time traveling. So yeah, they can know the significance of him.

Any character in a movie: *speaks* CinemaSins: *ding*

Y'know what gets me about the whole atmosphere of this film? The weather. In the first few films we flash back (or "forwards") to an utterly desperate post-apocalyptic nightmare war. It's utterly dark and foreboding and violent. But to see it all play out in Salvation... well, to be honest, it's kind of idyllic. I mean, not really, because of the monster robots and all, but I just get this calming sensation by looking at how bright and serene everything is. At least compared to the grungy wreckage we were originally shown. Granted, those glimpses we'd seen earlier emphasized the night, and logically an entire movie would be hard pressed to avoid the daylight hours, but still... even at night, Salvation fails to capture the terrible impression of a global holocaust that the first two movies managed to convey. And there's so much empty space, too. We were originally led to imagine a world crowded with debris and corpses, where private, quiet moments of contemplation would be rare reprieves. Here... Well, it's post-apocalyptic, sure. But as post-apocalyptic worlds go, Salvation has one of the nicer ones I've seen. Another thing, why is John so vehement towards Marcus, anyway? He really seems to have this personal grudge against the machines. And yeah, that's more than understandable given the war, but... think about it. His life was saved by a Terminator that not only sacrificed its life in an effort to save humanity, but demonstrated genuine compassion while doing so. TWICE. And that was a straight-up T-800! Why is it so hard for him to believe that a Terminator could develop sympathetic emotions? He's got more reason to give Marcus a break than anyone! When the "Arnold Model" Terminator appears during the climax, John's vitriol towards it seems rather odd, since it's the face of his repeated savior. I wouldn't expect him to give it a hug, but I can't quite get why he's suddenly screaming in abject rage at the sight of it. Maybe some kind of bitter resignation. Just... Character, y'know? Bale's Connor comes off as just a very typical angry brooding action movie guy. I'd expect him to be a little interesting, seeing as how he captures the respect of all humanity and stuff.

There's no real reason why you haven't done Interstellar yet!

1:25 "Futuristic rain somehow completely cleaned Marcus of that muddy afterbirth" - Why would we want to see a sequence of him changing and washing himself? 7:38 "an axe can somehow lodge into this thing and prevent Marcus from falling" - Its pretty obvious it wedged itself a gap in the plating. The real question is why is there some ejectable plate that forms in the gap in the first place. 9:25 "guy behind her decides to rush her for hand-to-hand" - Its again, extremely obvious they did not want to kill her. They obviously had other intentions. One you cannot fulfil by blowing someones chest in with a shotgun. 9:41 "And... um... sit closer to the fire?!" - She's trying to flirt with the guy that just saved her? Damn you or the script writer must be extremely oblivious to day to day life. *I could go on for a bunch more but am too lazy, felt like this was one weak ass episode*

I thought the human prisoners were, like, a meat shield the machines were using. The machines were counting on humans valuing the lives of other humans over the destruction of the machine's base or whatever.

Marcus disabled all the defences when he logged into skynet using his Gmail account, that's why the helicopters had no resistance. Pun not intended.

Having just heard of Antons tragic death, it is sad seeing how good he was as Kyle in this.

This movie has a lot of sins, but a lot of moments to take sins off. This movie is really under appreciated in this video

3:35 okay I’m gonna have to speak up: clearly the tape played in Salvation is not meant to be the same tape from T1. It’s number AND dialogue are different, so it seems pretty obvious it’s a different tape. In addition, Sarah made at least 28 tapes (I don’t know how many she made total); it’s incredibly unlikely that Kyle Reese is only talked about in one tape. *Cinemasins Sin Counter: ♾ +1*

was i the only one thinking that CGI Arnold looked pretty convincing in this movie? I saw it in an IMAX initially and actually thought it was him somehow or do i need to see an Optometrist?

The Terminator: The future is dark. Terminator 2: We've won. Terminator 3: SIKES! Terminator Salvation: You're all terminated.

It is possible that Sarah Connor recorded multiple tapes for John as a precaution in the event the original cassette was stolen, lost, or destroyed

Okay I just finally watched this movie, the relationship and dialogue between marcus and the kids were so damn awkward, one scene they yell for no reason and makes everything eerie and the next their best buddies, it's like so random.

I personally enjoyed Salvation, it's not as good as the first 2 but still

6:21 Actually if you care to watch the first T movie you will notice that Kile reese talks about Skynet wanted prisoner's to work.. so no, it wasn't a Movie sin

Add the Following Sin: People looking like they still have personal health and hygiene products.

Honestly the original ending idea made a lot more sense than the impromptu heart transplant. Marcus would’ve had John Connor’s skin grafted onto his frame and would go on to form the basis for the mythological General John Connor.

At least they got an actor like Anton Yelchin who looked like a young Michael Biehn (Kyle Reese) and acted like him. Who dafuq casted Jai Courtney as Kyle Reese ( ͡° ʖ̯ ͡°)

Sin you missed and i was hoping to see it. In T1 Kyle said that T-600s had rubber skin, and yet in this movie they're just naked skeletons. Heck, Kyle said it in your own sin video.

Also I’ll say this: despite this movie’s flaws I loved that it made the T-800 a freakin powerhouse again. With what we know about the T-1000 fro T2, the T-X from T3, as well as other Terminators from comics and lore, it would seem difficult to make the original Terminator look like something to be feared, but they accomplished this to great affect, despite its short screen time

I feel like this movie should’ve been good, had so much potential.

I enjoyed this film (and I liked it a lot better than T3), but the impression that I got from the first two Terminator films was that John Connor rallied up the broken and desperate remnants of humanity (starting with people who had been rounded up and place in slave labor/death camps, including Kyle Reese) and actually started the Resistance, being the top-ranking leader of it from the beginning (hence, the entire point of Skynet sending Terminators back in time to keep him from starting the Resistance). I never pictured the war against the machines having military commanders from before Judgement Day, but the Resistance in this movie had people that outranked John Connor who even try to strip him of his command. The reason that I interpreted it the way that I said above is because of the way that Reese described it in the first film, and his story indicated to me that humanity was hit so hard that they were on the brink of extinction (unfortunately, I can't find the video online so I'm relying entirely on IMDb quotes for verification). Reese explained that he grew up after Judgement Day and spent most of his time trying to survive while hiding from HKs until he was captured and put into a labor/death camp. This gave me the impression that either he somehow wasn't aware of any Resistance or, more likely, no significant rebel force existed at the time. So, considering the fact that Skynet was built as a defense network computer, I figured that it determined who would most likely be its most significant threats, that being any and all militaries, and successfully wiped out virtually all of them, either during the initial launches of Judgement Day or in the early hours after. And Skynet was successful because they were caught off guard. Here's the exact quote of what Reese said to Sarah when he explained things to her in T1: _Some of us were kept alive... to work... loading bodies. The disposal units ran night and day. We were that close to going out forever. But there was one man who taught us to fight, to storm the wire of the camps, to smash those metal motherfuckers into junk. He turned it around. He brought us back from the brink. His name is Connor. John Connor. Your son, Sarah, your unborn son._ So, I got the impression that the reason that the Resistance was so successful and why the military around the time of Judgement Day failed was specifically because John had prior knowledge of Skynet, the machines and Judgement Day and he probably knew how to fight them thanks to what he learned from his mother. And since John wasn't in the military, Skynet had no knowledge of him and, therefore, had no reason to target him until after the Resistance started. Despite all that, as I said I did actually enjoy Terminator Salvation and I really would have liked to have seen a sequel to it, especially if it depicted John taking over what remained of the Resistance at the end of this movie and finally leading his own effective campaign against Skynet and the machines. I probably wouldn't be complaining too much about the discrepancy that I was talking about if they had gone this route instead of what we're getting with Genisys.

Did they cast Terry Crews for a single dead guy shot?

16:11 who else tought he was gonna say discount Arnold Schwarzenegger

In the Terminator lore, Skynet knows all of this because whenever they send a Terminator through time, it somehow can send info back to Skynet in all timelines.

0:47 Terry Crews scene cut down to a second cameo as a corpse 1 MILLION SINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Place your bets for how many minutes the Terminator Genisys Sins video will have. My personal bet: 23 minutes based in the current 23% on Rotten Tomatoes.

11:20 in the whole scene both actors suddenly lose their movie accents and slip into their native ones. Notice how Sam Worthington says "transporter".

I’m surprised that Cinema Sins didn’t comment on Christian Bale using his bat man voice so many times 😂

RIP Alton Yelchin

There are more holes in the plot than there is in Swiss cheese

3:20 Here’s a thought: _Maybe it was a different tape._ 4:30 I wonder how he didn’t know.

Why DO they only send one Terminator back in time when they have hundreds of them and other killer machines? It's even more dumb when they do it over and over again.

I like the end shot of John being stabbed in the heart it's like metaphor for what it feels for terminator fans to watch this movie

I pretty much hate this movie, but the fact that the original semi-shitty "twist" ending was changed to an ubearably shitty ending just because the former one was leaked before the movie was released makes me hate it even more.

Dark fate makes this look like a masterpiece

The book actually goes more into detail about how impossible it is to evade cyberdine they can't use comms. And when they do they have to speak in code plus any computer can be hacked by skynet yet all they use is computers and tell communications throughout the movie

0:49 They killed Terry! You bastards!!!

Cinema let me correct you, the T2 T-800 was made out of titanium, which is able to burn in high temperatures, but what they used in this movie was a different material called coltan able to survive heat up to 3,200 degrees.

I know I know...4 years later....a new comment. The shotgun “grab it” scene is a call back from the original Terminator. When Kyle is shown sawing off the stock and using rope to make a quick sling, before he goes searching for Sarah. Just an FYI.

They took prisoners so that they can harvest their skin for T-800's

skynet's lack of logic aside, I actually enjoyed this movie (as a mindless watch-it-because-nothing-else-is-on action movie). T2 is still the best

Why doesn't John just let them bomb Skynet? I know it's a trap and everything but if Kyle dies he can't go back in time, if he can't go back in time John won't be born and if he isn't born then there'll be no reason for the terminator to go back in time there for no Skynet and no war.

i love that the gas station scene was filmed in my state, i saw it on my way to a concert in July when they built the set and thinking it was a Resident Evil set.

Sin time around 3min: i wondered myself about the functional airfields

Fun fact: This "human prisoner thing" is actually consistent with what Kyle said in the first movie when he said that he and a view others were taken prisoners for slavery or something. It still doesn't make any sense though.

"Convenie-oincidence" oh, I'm using that word as soon as effin' possible. I got 4 kids... It wont take long to find a good spot for it.

The whole thing with capturing humans does make sense. It's even said in the first movie that the machines use them in work camps.

Dear CinemaSins Dark Fate removes 10 movie sins from every Terminator movie after 2

EVERYTHING WRONG WITH CHAPPIE!!!!!!!!!

*Everything Wrong With Chappie* That has to be next now, yeah?

He’s ranting in an American accent. Method acting!

I actually just realized something from watching this sins video: at first I was in complete agreement that it was bogus for the machines to take prisoners, since they just want to exterminate humanity, but in fact, they probably have them as an extra layer of defence, human shields which ward against some insane attack by the humans to cause damage to the machines' facilities. Sure, they're heavily fortified, but this ensures they don't just grab literally every vehicle they have, strap them with explosives, and send them careening fast enough that a few get through and cause damage. Additionally, since the machines probably don't care about the welfare of their prisoners, they keep scouting for fresh humans to dissuade other humans from attacking them.

The whole Sarah Conner says different stuff on the tapes handwave: Both recordings were made, she just started repeating herself as she became more and more obssessed with the approaching nuclear war.

What really kills me is that the resistance is made up of civilians and they have access to military grade equipment and vehicles! A-10's, Blackhawks, m-60's.... WTF?!?

I liked how this movie was one of the few I've seen that didn't perpetuate the "shoot gas tanks to make them explode" trope, but then fucks it up at the same time. That tanker trailer should not have been able to roll unless the brakes were absolutely fried, manually caged, or Marcus thought to run an air supply line from the tow truck to the trailer. Mad Max Fury Road got that one right though

My assumption was that they took the prisoners specifically to prevent attacks like what the resistance planned. They assume, based on their faulty understanding of humans, that the resistance wouldn't be willing to kill so many of their own to destroy a Skynet facility.

When he compared the Sarah Conor tapes 😂😂😂😂💀💀💀

0:25 Did the bald head on HBC give you the clue that she's dying of cancer? 0:47 In Terminator 2 it showed the human fighters AND the SkyNet forces firing laser guns/particle guns and in Terminator 1 the terminator goes into a gun shop expecting to find a phased plasma rifle, so why are these guys still using automatic weapons like M4 carbines and minguns? 1:35 It's not a helicopter he jumps out of, it's a V-22 osprey, a fixed wing aircraft with a tilt rotor system allowing it to take off and land like a helicopter 1:39 submarines are VERY hard to track while submerged unless you use active sonar 1:48 this is the roomiest submarine I've ever seen 3:29 these tapes sure as hell are durable for something that John's been listening to his whole life 4:03 this is supposed to be a T-600 terminator, according to Terminator 1 it should have rubber/latex skin 4:45 If a terminator did this it would have easily taken your arm off with this move 5:56 This is a regular glass 1 quart milk bottle like those delivered to peoples' homes in the early 1950s and before, were can you even find these anymore, let alone. still use them? 9:34 How can SkyNet distinguish a campfire from all off the millions of other small fires scattered around the landscape like the 3 that are seen in the previous scene also, how and why can the random small fires burn without growing larger and after the heavy rain? 10:22 Uh, human slaves perhaps? Even the Sentinels in X Men: Days of Future Past (the comic, not the movie) used human/mutant slaves when they took over the EarthOR they're using them for skin for their T-800s 10:34 why does this magnetic mine take so long to detonate? And if the resistance set these mines up to kill terminators, why didn't it kill Marcus? 12:09 radios might be picked up by the machines but they could have used intercoms 12:30 John was too busy dealing with the water terminators to notice Marcus sneaking up on him 12:49 Wouldn't that be Dr. Serena Kogan (Helena Bonham Carter) that offered you the deal back in 2003 that gave you a terminator body? 14:55 was this all programmed into him in 2003 or when he got activated a week ago? Also, aren't all terminators programmed to be infiltration units? 16:17 Once again the terminator flings its target across the room instead of killing target. These are the worst killers ever

13:56 john says „I’ll be back“ +1 sin man;)

"a cassette would definitely be dead by now" Uhmm... why? My cassettes are all fine, and it's long past 2018

You forgot to mention the fact that _none of the machines see Marcus as one of them except for that one scanner robot at the Machine City._ *Ding!*

Terminator: Franchise Killer

The Shawshank music in the outtakes is one of your best!

They need prisoners to make more terminators like marcus

How the hell did Skynet know about Kyle Reese and John Connor's relationship?

Sorry but I'm adding a sin to CinemaSins for not noticing multiple Sony product placements, which are even more cringe worthy in a movie about technology becoming sentient and killing humans, of which I should also point out, is that really how Sony wants to associate their products? as/with devices that in the future will become murderous robots?

Why did John believe the signal would end the war when his Mother told him it wasn't ended till ten years later? Anyway, the T600 is supposed to be around eight feet tall so it may have been able to reach Johns shoulders!

Something else that should definitely be a sin is casting Terry Crews, making him Commons brother and giving him some dialogue, cutting it all out and just using a clip of him dead, and not telling him his lines were cut out and only found out when he went to watch the movie. You can see him at 0:49

How about a everything right with terminator judgement day

1:43 CinemaSins unintentionally inspires Terminator: Genisys. *ding*

The Terminator war was shown as more of a gurrella war fought mostly at night (since the terminators had such huge advantage) the humanity in this fill seem to lack the scrappy survivalist edge of their early appearance and also seem to spend lot more time out in the sun.... which odd given a machine intellegence would grid sweep non stop with air and ground units (hense humanity mostly living hidden in tunnels etc) with mechanical sensors that likely spot a human miles away.

20 sins (5 for each other movie in the series) for them finally making a Terminator Movie set exclusively in the future and it being the only Terminator Movie where they don't have the iconic Blue Pulse Weapons seen in flashbacks from every other movie. Also, the Robots didn't send giant robots because the whole world would take note of a 60 foot tall giant human which may affect peoples outlook on AI. And lastly, they probably couldn't or didn't get Linda Hamiltons permission to use her voice. Or didn't want to pay her for her voice and got some pleb from the sound crew to record a tape message for a sandwich.