Everything You Ever Wanted to Know - Dual Gauge A Frame Gallows Turntable

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Жыл бұрын

Take a close look at a reproduction 1880 dual gauge A frame gallows turntable at the Great Western Steam Up at the Nevada State Railroad Museum in Carson City.
This type of turntable was in use in the 19th century when locomotives were smaller. Later turntables were steel bridge monsters for turning the massive locomotives of the twentieth century. These early turntables were made of wood and turned by hand!
The weight of the locomotive is carried on a "spider" at the center of the turntable. The ends float requiring that the locomotive be placed in the exact center of the turntable bridge.
We also take a look at an On3 model of a gallows turntable built by Steve Strebel. An excellent scratch-built model it shows the workings of the center "spider".

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@FlakusCorporation Жыл бұрын

Another excellent video, thank you. To everyone wanting to know why we are missing the outer ring, the answer is that a few years ago a high speed chase ended when the suspect accidentally drove into the pit! The cops caught him when he had to flee by foot. The outer ring had been damaged by the getaway car, but it had also been settling unevenly over the past 30 years which made turning it quite difficult, so it provided an unexpected opportunity to rebuild the ring using the very early Southern Pacific design to just do without the outer ring and just pour a concrete pad for the ends to rest on. If you email the NSRM about it, ask for pictures!

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks love the information. We noticed the concrete around the ring was brand new! That explains that. I’m glad they were able to arrest the ringleader.

@FlakusCorporation Жыл бұрын

Of course a true early version would’ve been stone or perhaps wood cribbing, but we need to be pragmatic sometimes. Have you ever seen a gallows-type table made of steel? I’m considering turning one of my F-Scale steel Howe truss bridges into an outdoor turntable, but I’ve never seen that style executed in full-size before so maybe you could enlighten me?

@MakeItWithCalvin Жыл бұрын

It makes doing the McKeen more fun ;-) being you need to jack the ends up.

@coreywilson6693 Жыл бұрын

I thought I knew alot about these things, but this video has completely turned the tables...

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Doh! Thanks

@growclipbonsaiforseniors1951 Жыл бұрын

A complicated design showing the spider wheels well built. Excellent!

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Hi. Steve really has the skills. Amazing.

@lifeisagift.cherisheverymoment Жыл бұрын

Very informative video on A-Frame Turntables, thank you. Steve's model is absolutely beautiful.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks again

@lifeisagift.cherisheverymoment Жыл бұрын

@@ToyManTelevision You're welcome.

@lescobrandon3047 Жыл бұрын

I thought I was close to knowing everything. But even having been around numerous turntables, I just learned a LOT.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks!!!

@stevensolway1054 Жыл бұрын

The gathering of all these historic steamers, reminds me of the old "Fiddletown and "opperopolis. cartoons in Railroad Mg in 60s.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Obscure.. love it!!! If you haven’t see everyone go look!

@davidsquire6245 Жыл бұрын

The lead you describe as the place to store the shop switcher, or dinky, as we call it, is actually for loading or unloading equipment from trucks. The Antelope and Western locomotive was unloaded there. Last August the tender for the Glenbrook was loaded and unloaded there for it's trip to the Cumbres and Toltec. The table works quite well. A few years ago, I turned the 34 ton McKeen car by myself. That's me on the lead platform of the 10 car going by. There are similar tables at the museum in Laws California and in Folsom California.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Love to see one person turning the McKeen! Once I grabbed the hand grab of a C16 tender (223) as we needed to move it about 200 feet. I was waiting for 10 or so people who were going to help push but for fun I just gave a mighty pull. And here comes the tender. It’s amazing how low friction is on rails.

@crystalrock18 Жыл бұрын

One of my friends and fellow parishioners at my church had a bit to say about the old school railroad workers and booze, so here we go: My friend Denny went to work for Missouri Pacific RR when he finished his contract with the USAF in 1970. When he was getting switcher training in KC, his trainers/supervisors said to keep working the yard and staging trains while they went to lunch. Two hours later they came back from lunch with two 12 packs of falstaff beer in each hand, and also were drinking them while on the job training my friend Denny and operating in said rail yard. So even in 1970, railroad crews were still drinking heavily.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

I wrote a fun paper sometime back. I took the amount of alcohol which we assumed was consumed by a track crew, worked out the number of people working on each section of track. And then figured out an amount of beer that was consumed per mile when track was being laid. Then divide that by scale. It came out something like drinking one beer for every 10 ties when handling in your track!!

@crystalrock18 Жыл бұрын

@@ToyManTelevision if that was me I would passed out a long time ago. Railroader from long ago were definitely a different breed.

@maccustoms2295 Жыл бұрын

Great video guys. Very informative. You guys have a great week and thanks for sharing.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks back at you!!

@caseyvillemodelrailroad3877 Жыл бұрын

around and around we go... had lots of fun building my 0 gauge turntable i still had to wire in tail tracks half and half so i keep the phasing correct lol ... thanks for the video...

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Hi again. Years ago I built an HO scale carousel. The spider that makes the horses go up and down it’s almost identical to the spider on one of these gallows turntables. I still have that carousel around here somewhere. But it was badly damaged in a move. Anyway it was pretty neat. Being HO scale the whole darn thing was only about 7 inches across. Three rows of horses and they all went up and down. Three rows and I believe 8 sets. About 30 lights. Music.. shame it a bit broken.

@stevemellin5806 Жыл бұрын

Interesting how it all works . thank you . Have a great week

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks again

@georgewolf7063 Жыл бұрын

So that's how they do the central pivot for these! I'm impressed! I'd love to build a copy of this one for my HO Americans!

@pinchy08 Жыл бұрын

That turntable does look fun to model on On30. I can clearly see what’s under the turntable. Great job guys.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

It’s a fun build. Complicated. But doable. In HO a person can use N gauge wheel sets. N scale people can use prayers. Caus omg.

@garyacker7388 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video guys. I love the detail on the model and the fact that it is very like the real one that you explained so well.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks again gary!!

@Mike-tg7dj Жыл бұрын

Very informative and not boring. I wish I had a place for a model turntable roundhouse. I have always been fascinated with that combination. We used to have three roundhouses in our city, the Nashville Saint Louis & Chattanooga, Tennessee Central, and CSX. CSX being the only one left. We could see the TC on the way to my grandmother's house.Thanks y'all.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Fun to still have a few in normal use. One here now used by our interurban. Old UP turntable.

@royreynolds108 Жыл бұрын

The ring with the wheels is called a spider. Under a turn span bridge, the wheels were cone-shaped(and much smaller in diameter to save space) so that the focus of the conical rays is at the center of the bridge. This type of arrangement was also used under turntable bridges. Most of the larger and later turntables were designed as 2 simple spans supported by the ring rail and the spider so that the turntable bridge did not have to be so long.

@tomas5376 Жыл бұрын

As usual, great information!👏👏👏🚂🚂🚂🙏🏼

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks!!!

@pbyfr Жыл бұрын

Very interesting, from previous videos, I wondered how they passed from 3 to 4 rails. Now it is clear! A shame that this nice model from Steve don't have a buyer.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Well at some point we will buy it. If no one else does.

@kenshores9900 Жыл бұрын

Dale: Great video. Love those turn tables. Thanks!

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Hi Ken!! Getting caught up on comments. Thanks again. Hard to keep up. We are getting almost 30,000 views a week!!! Wow!!!! But keeps me busy going through comments.

@kenshores9900 Жыл бұрын

@@ToyManTelevision It is a tribute to the fine job you both do. Keep it up.

@joellekarma Жыл бұрын

Its so cool that is how scratch built my On30 turntable and it works great. I did like Steve I made a outer rail ring to help keep the table stable when a loco goes on it. Thank you for sharing Steve's build. Is he still working on his new layout, You have been a great influence on my On30 build. Keep up the great work

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Steve has said about tearing apart the new rail road as well. He keeps selling off sections and turning sections into dioramas and selling off the dioramas. He does have a long-term plan that wants the entire attic is empty he’s going to turn it into the ultimate shop and then just work on individual projects. But stuff that doesn’t take up a lot of room. Like a single structure or a brass engine.

@AquesousSolution Жыл бұрын

Yes, you certainly covered the subject thoroughly! Yes, I had wondered how one got from four to three rails in dual gauge systems. Thanks as always. Richard

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks as always for watching

@bigwoz78 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@johnfriend240 Жыл бұрын

A slight correction. The turn table at Laws is an original. This NSRM table, the one at Folsom and the one at the Southern California Railroad Museum (OERM) are based on the Laws table. They were made with iron components cast at Knight Foundry a number of years ago.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I was told laws was a rebuild.

@johnfriend240 Жыл бұрын

@@ToyManTelevision It's been repaired over the years and had timers replaced, but original design in the original location. It currently needs a major rebuilding before, say, a visiting SPNG #18 can be turned on it.

@davidsquire6245 Жыл бұрын

Another great video, thanks

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@patmaufrais1043 Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the video Mr Toy Man!!!!

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Hi again. Glad you liked it!

@TheTransportationFanfromCA Жыл бұрын

Looks cool

@Santafefrank Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@mattomon1045 Жыл бұрын

Hi all I do turntable demonstrations at the Colorado railroad museum. with there arm strong Turn Table . And it has the ring rail and wheels. And i can turn by myself with D R G W #491 on it At around 90 tons . Those wheels about 1 in off of that rail at both ends if it is off balance and those wheels touch the rail it takes 4 to 6 people to turn it.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Yup. The key in low friction from metal wheels on rails. And balance. I once pushed a C16 tender by myself and in fact it was easy. Amazing!! It’s the key to all railroads.

@jeffbangkok Жыл бұрын

Good night

@jouebien Жыл бұрын

meanwhile in Australia we have states with 3 different gauges and in those days at the break of gauge in some places we had tipple gauge turntables and either 3 yards or a tipple gauge yard

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

And it’s all upside down! How does that work? Oh the gravity of it all.

@dfhepner Жыл бұрын

I would think having 4 rails to center the weight over the pivot side to side.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Well it helps. But the basic reason is turning the turntable moves the common rail from one side to the other. The only other way to make it work would be to build a transition in the turntable bridge so the common rail moves from one side to the other. But the simple way is a four rail bridge.

@pinchy08 Жыл бұрын

I can clearly see why it’s an A frame turntable. Those cables form the shape of an A. Makes sense eh? I didn’t think the operation of it as an Armstrong man powered turntable it was so difficult to operate. It’s all about balance. No rail to rotate like the modern turntables.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Super low friction. Works well. Oil it new and then.

@Benjamin0119 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting about changing from 4 rails to 3, and how the turntable works. It's all about balance (and presumably low friction.) Is there any footage of a train using the transition tracks? It's kind of hard to visualize just from looking at the track.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Not really. Hard to see need a pilotless locomotive.

@detroitredneckdetroitredne6674 Жыл бұрын

👋👋👋👋from Detroit

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Hi again as always.

@danb8489 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for an other good train videos. Allso l reaily like steam engine. 🇨🇦

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@dianametcalf4248 Жыл бұрын

Very nice video! Does Mr. Madoff still run the Eureka and Palisades? Seems like I haven't noticed him in any of your videos of the Eureka lately.

@dianametcalf4248 Жыл бұрын

Should say Mr. Markoff not Madoff. Silly spell check.

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Sure. Check our video from last Tuesday. Dan and Ed and friends.

@HyperCat72 Жыл бұрын

Why was there a rubber chicken on the couplers on that saddle tank engine

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

The locomotive is known as Chiggen. Well it was used as a sign for a chicken restaurant for years. So..

@solarusthelonghaulerrailfa3226 Жыл бұрын

Hay guys it never ends 😁👍 and can you see if atlas trains make a turntable for a HO big boy

@ToyManTelevision Жыл бұрын

Hum. There was the old ConCor.. but I don’t think a bb would fit. Might thought. I thing Walthers makes it now?

@robertd.shannon9007 Жыл бұрын

s Edison said after every failure: "now we know what else doesn't work".