Explaining the updated lore of the Eternal Dalek

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Ай бұрын

What is the purpose of the Eternal Dalek? Thanks to Big Finish's Victory of the Doctor, we finally know what role this mysterious Paradigm Dalek plays in the Dalek hierarchy. In this video we are going to explain exactly what the Eternal Dalek is!
All footage is the property of the BBC. Music by Marty O'Donnell

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@ParadigmDalekSupreme
@ParadigmDalekSupreme Ай бұрын
I'll be back!
@Endermite645
@Endermite645 Ай бұрын
Let's hope so
@baggin.
@baggin. Ай бұрын
You better
@Z4iscool
@Z4iscool Ай бұрын
Bro please don't exterminate us.
@TheTurdle
@TheTurdle Ай бұрын
Please do, the bronze Daleks are fine and all but they've overstayed their welcome.
@DoctorMysterio15
@DoctorMysterio15 16 күн бұрын
I cross my fingers for your glorious return!
@scott1and
@scott1and Ай бұрын
I would love for this particular Dalek to come in some shape or form. Like, maybe it’s revealed to exist for as long as it can in Dalek history, then travel back so the earliest Daleks find it. And we find out Daleks are strong as they are because it has already done this thousands of times, imparting better and better tech each time.
@PerovNigma
@PerovNigma Ай бұрын
It's neat to learn the Eternal's role, but I liked the idea of Trenzalore's saucer housing the Dalek Parliament and the last of the Paradigm caste. Since the canon is so slippery and contradictory, especially outside the show, I think I'll just believe that instead.
@ItsButterBean1020
@ItsButterBean1020 Ай бұрын
I like that one too
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 Ай бұрын
DANG! I'm rather conflicted. On one hand we've gotten a story to have the paradigm Daleks properly shine and have s conclusive end, on the other it was a rather nice sentimental idea that a paradigm supreme was facing Eleven on trenzalore after the prime minister went mad. Eitheir way the Dalek Eternal certainly proved to be very interesting!
@britanimations2002
@britanimations2002 Ай бұрын
Here's the thing, I love Victory of the Doctor, but the Paradigm don't end there, they can't. At least the Supreme should have been a Paradigm in Time of the Doctor because of the voice modulation. And if the Doctor did succeed 100% then there wouldn't be any Daleks from Time of the Doctor onwards regardless, so it's fair to say the Parliament survived in some form, and the Supreme Dalek is one of the Daleks that survived
@shadepizza4217
@shadepizza4217 Ай бұрын
Wedding of River Song does establish that after the paradigm supreme was "defeated" it did remain alive and connected to the pathweb
@ShinyaMerveilles66
@ShinyaMerveilles66 Ай бұрын
"victory of the doctor" did leave an out for why the daleks are still around even after the end of the paradigm. the doctor mentions the possibility of some daleks hidden somewhere separated from the pathweb who could just start again not to mention, logically.......... he killed the paradigm and all their amassed forces, but the daleks still held planets for their own control, and at least some probably had genetic production facilities for making daleks. so its entirely possible more daleks were born/created after the end of the story, who had to rebuild the dalek forces from the ground up but still had the infrastructure from the paradigm to work with and due to the pathweb being corrupted in a fashion by the arkheon device had to probably establish a new pathweb with the last set of uncorrupted files (a set that doesnt include the doctor's identity)
@ItsButterBean1020
@ItsButterBean1020 Ай бұрын
@@shadepizza4217wasn’t that a different guy?
@icon_uk624
@icon_uk624 Ай бұрын
One of the Doctor Who exhibitions, in Earls Court back in the early 2010's, had as one of it's set pieces, the set of a Dalek saucer, and looped video showing that the Paradigm had been declared blasphemous abominations by the remaining Bronze Daleks, and a civil war had broken out between the two factions. When next we saw them, the two groups were seemingly united in the Parliament, and Moffat confirmed that the Paradigm (with modified painy jobs) had been incorporated into the mainstream Dalek society as an "Officer Class" amongst the standard interchangeable Bronze Daleks.
@TheTurdle
@TheTurdle Ай бұрын
It's crazy to think that, in the show at least, we have no idea if the Paradigms are still around or even who's in charge of the Dalek Empire. Last time we got answers to either one of these questions was in 2012. Ideally I'd like them to be an elite class of Daleks, each serving a distinct role in contrast to the more expendable bronze ones. But after nearly twelve years of them not appearing in the show I wouldn't hold my breath.
@jcrossan1351
@jcrossan1351 Ай бұрын
Glad the Eternals official role has been revealed
@jcrossan1351
@jcrossan1351 Ай бұрын
I’d still like to think the eternal survived however ill cling to any last hope for the paradigm they need to be further explored in the show
@TheWhovinerd-1963
@TheWhovinerd-1963 Ай бұрын
@@jcrossan1351I personally like to believe that victory of the Doctor is just an alternative timeline. So that their actual defeat is in the final battle of Trenzalore. Which makes more sense since we hear the Paradigm supremes voice. Xx
@ItsButterBean1020
@ItsButterBean1020 Ай бұрын
I love the idea that the Paradigm Supreme killed in Victory of the Doctor isn’t the same one from Victory or Time of the Doctor
@theentity5201
@theentity5201 Ай бұрын
Yea the original paradigm supreme was destroyed way back in city of the daleks when the timeline collapsed Wasn't even the same one in the Pandora opens, voice was higher there
@azarothshadowsoul
@azarothshadowsoul Ай бұрын
Having watched the Paradigm Daleks' debut back in 2010, I wasn't that sold on them or their designs but your videos have recently helped me see these Daleks in a whole new light!
@paulo9991
@paulo9991 Ай бұрын
I want the Paradigm Daleks back!
@elliec2943
@elliec2943 Ай бұрын
Me too they were my favorites!
@stevedickson5853
@stevedickson5853 Ай бұрын
What the teletubbies , nah
@paulo9991
@paulo9991 Ай бұрын
@@stevedickson5853 Yes.
@NWR_astrotrain
@NWR_astrotrain Ай бұрын
The eternal dock has always been my favorite of the paradigm, though not as satisfying as I would’ve liked this is an OK explanation for its role
@MatthewCaunsfield
@MatthewCaunsfield Ай бұрын
I like the dive into Paradigm lore, however limited it is.
@cobraking1195
@cobraking1195 Ай бұрын
My guy, the flood music and halo 2 ruins map, using it for the daleks... I love it. Honestly, it'd be interesting to see the daleks launch an invasion of the Halo universe. Do you think they would be successful? Have a sweeping victory? Struggle a bit? Or leave a small contingent to activate the halos and return once all life was dead? 🤔
@timecontroller8800
@timecontroller8800 Ай бұрын
It’s unfortunate that big finish brought them back only to immediately kill them off as they could of probably found ways to do more with them I still need to pick up this box set but from what I’ve seen it looks pretty good
@ShinyaMerveilles66
@ShinyaMerveilles66 Ай бұрын
at the very least big finish gave the paradigm a grand finale, literally at the top of their game and with a higher degree of efficiency and effectiveness than from most iterations of the empire
@Alwolf-en5lm
@Alwolf-en5lm Ай бұрын
Though it's nice to know what the eternals row was I do personally the fan Theory that the Eternal held progenitor devices so if anything happened the Eternal could rebuild the empire
@PhilDrury
@PhilDrury Ай бұрын
That's way more interesting than what was theorised before and the only thing we had was: Well, it's... It's. It is yellow.
@nickthepick8043
@nickthepick8043 Ай бұрын
I've already specified what Role I would have given the eternal in the past, but I won't lie, I'm satisfied with its true purpose revealed now. Cataloging data regarding Dalek history is not an easy task, since the universe is based on rewriting the timeline via time travel.
@emperordalek102
@emperordalek102 Ай бұрын
well there we have it the paradigms destruction and the begining of a new era for the daleks.
@adamcousins5788
@adamcousins5788 Ай бұрын
Well one story I found, and in my soon to be written story the Enteral abandoned the Parliament making it's own faction of Daleks. Called the Neo-Imperials with the Time Controller as the second in command. With the purpose of having a new emperor to the empire.
@icon_uk624
@icon_uk624 Ай бұрын
I wondered if the Dalek Eternal (Since all the other's had their designations after the "Dalek" rather than before it I think) was a sort of Dalek "moral" arbiter, it a record of Dalek history and culture (such as it was). The Strategists and Scientists could formulate plans and weapons, and the Supreme could order them to be actioned through the Drones, but it was the Eternal who would evaluate the plan, judge whether it was true to the "eternal" Dalek ideology and, if necessary, say "No", countermanding the Supreme, without fear of reprisal.
@TheWhovinerd-1963
@TheWhovinerd-1963 Ай бұрын
I personally love the idea of its purpose being a historical archivist it’s something unique and different to the Daleks. The Eternal accesses the Data of their timeline, history battle information and analyses it to create new ways of survival for the Dalek race. I think that’s clever personally do I’m afraid I disagree with you about it being lacklustre. The Eternal still seems to serve an advisory role to the supreme similar to the strategist. Both analyse the data and advise the supreme. For me personally I much prefer the idea of the paradigm being destroyed in the final battle of Trenzalore as it’s far more fitting and climactic. So that is how I will personally believe that the paradigm end. To me victory of the Doctor takes place in an alternate Timeline so that this is just one of the paradigms defeats. I also believe that the eternal is still alive but damaged. Overall victory of the Doctor was a great story and I’d give it a solid 9.5/10 but I definitely have some issues with it. Great video as always. Remember to Keep Calm and Carry On, Living the Geek Life 😎. Xx
@badwolf66
@badwolf66 Ай бұрын
Well then there you have it, all Daleks will now return to their work.
@ryanmeakins2993
@ryanmeakins2993 Ай бұрын
I thought its role would have been like take 2 of the cult of skaro, a unit dedicated only on ensuing the survival of the daleks by any means necessary Though the historian angle could have been fun too i guess
@AnubisX1
@AnubisX1 Ай бұрын
While I utterly live this boxset, I mean it is proper grim and shows how much of force of nature the daleks are. I do love the strategist and supremes bickering, why the daleks would create a supreme so arrogant & up itself that it won't listen to the advice of its strategist is beyond me. I'm amazed they go anything done. I also love the fact the scientist and eternal held a lot of thr limelight over the others. That said, while the idea of the eternal being a historian is interesting, it is lackluster to all the hype Mark gatiss and Moffat made for him. They probably didn't even know what to do for him when they created him. Does beg the question on which dalek empire is this in time of the doctor, I know victory of the doctor has a line about daleks in stasis reawakening down the line. Or is it the davros daleks we see in series 9. Again I loved this boxset, it's just sad it destroy the reborn paradigm as the hype for their return was at a high.
@liamc9998
@liamc9998 Ай бұрын
Y’know, not sure you know this but I just found this out and thought I’d share it here. Might be interesting. Apparently, a “dalek” (though they refer to it within the story it appears in as a Mechanical Warrior / metal man) makes an appearance within Warhammer. Specifically, in the old scenario for Stuff of Legends: Vengeance of the Lich Master. On the page for the counters displaying the units for this scenario, the representation for the Mechanical Warrior has a striking similarity to a dalek. Not to also mention at the time of publishing this expansion, Citadel were making models for other famous properties, with Doctor Who being one of them - even showcasing an add of their rage later within the issue. The story itself focuses around several factions fighting around a monetary which is currently under siege by Skaven, and their leader Gnawdoom. The abbot, Bagrian - who is also kind of a mad scientist - has stolen an artefact from Gnawdoom called “The Black Ark Of The Covenant” which Bagrian plans to use as a power source for the Mechanical Warrior so that it may destroy Gnawdoom and his Skaven army.
@baggin.
@baggin. Ай бұрын
I miss them in a weird way
@lewisdowns4181
@lewisdowns4181 Ай бұрын
Fair enough, though in my head canon (since I was a 9 year old haha) I always thought the Eternals (as I assumed there’d be more than one of them like the Drones) to form a kind of espionage branch for the Daleks, kind of like a KGB/CIA etc Dalek version. Who’d then go throughout time and space eavesdropping, spying, influencing, hypnotising and keeping tabs on the various alien races and civilisations out there to secretly nudge things by stoking violence and war (like what the Daleks did in Frontier in Space) in order to further Dalek hegemony. Like for example, they’re the ones who install the Dalek puppets (in my head canon)
@kiltedjohn1000
@kiltedjohn1000 Ай бұрын
think the eternal dalek plays it as it is in the youtube masterpiece video 'dalek Tales'
@ImmortalAbsol
@ImmortalAbsol Ай бұрын
I think it sucks that it suggests we see even less of the Paradigm Dalek's story on screen, but also it's a slightly more honourable death than the Doctor essentially killing them by accident.
@ChrisKunix
@ChrisKunix Ай бұрын
Well, tbh. I kind of prefer Librarian Bot's take on the Eternal as a caste rather than a sole individual being charged with keeping the "purity" of the Dalek Race and such.
@monosupreme1
@monosupreme1 Ай бұрын
Still pissed we didn't get the true paradigm at the height of their glory on screen. And I'm even more pissed that big finish didn't capitalize on this either. Adventure games and eternity clock it is then 😂😂
@idontlikeitproductions3509
@idontlikeitproductions3509 Ай бұрын
That’s like a perfect example of why you shouldn’t be secretive about something mundane, because fans will theorise, try to fill gaps and make sense of a mystery, which makes the ultimate revelation disappointing.
@tommyfox854
@tommyfox854 Ай бұрын
. . . I ain't gonna lie, the official end of the Paradigm Daleks does sound rather fitting for them; but I am slightly disappointed by the official role of the Eternal Dalek, just slightly. I personally still stick too what I've said in your original video on the Eternal Dalek DB, a Dalek who's sole job is too make sure that The Daleks never face extinction again by rebuilding a Dalek civilization and army; Hell that thing literally looks like a bee with its black and yellow color scheme.
@MrHighlifewest
@MrHighlifewest Ай бұрын
Yeah if this is indeed the end of the paradigm then i would like to see what design the dalek supreme had in Time of the doctor. Perhaps the red supreme design.
@nicholasdickens2801
@nicholasdickens2801 Ай бұрын
Who blooming knows. I want him back though.
@antpearson9676
@antpearson9676 Ай бұрын
They reming me of Mini Coopers Dont know why, but they do Ant p uk
@orvillesupremacy2927
@orvillesupremacy2927 Ай бұрын
Wasn't it the Eternal that advised the Supreme to go to Trenzalore? I'm going to assume the Eternal somehow survived the pocket universe.
@dalekbumps
@dalekbumps Ай бұрын
I guess that lore has now been overwritten, according to Victory of the Doctor the Paradigm Daleks were all destroyed before the Siege of Trenzalore began
@orvillesupremacy2927
@orvillesupremacy2927 Ай бұрын
@@dalekbumps That feels like a cheap move.
@dalekbumps
@dalekbumps Ай бұрын
@@orvillesupremacy2927 I don't blame Big Finish tbh, the majority of the lore we had for the Paradigm came from a single reference book ('Dalek: The Astounding Untold History of the Greatest Enemies of the Universe') and bearing in mind the fact that BF have contradicted much more established lore in the past (the Dalek comics, War of the Daleks etc) I don't hold any ill-will towards the writers of VotD for contradicting a single (and, let's face it, a largely irrelevant) reference guide from years ago. They probably didn't even know it existed, or if they did, they didn't expect people to really care all that much
@thecommandant2831
@thecommandant2831 Ай бұрын
How many years has it been since we first saw the Paradigm Dalek Eternal? 14? I personally am very happy that its role has finally been updated because we've been both in the discord and across the internet been trying to figure it out.
@grahamturner1290
@grahamturner1290 Ай бұрын
🐙
@alexblank7277
@alexblank7277 Ай бұрын
you just here using absolute bangers for your sound track now huh? first sonic heroes now halo? loving it
@59rlmccormack
@59rlmccormack 24 күн бұрын
Maybe… I should listen to VoTD.
@greggoleggo9160
@greggoleggo9160 Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t be disappointed if this story isn’t cannon tbh. All the hype over the eternals purpose and it’s an over glorified librarian. Not to mention the horrible redesign the doubling down on the bronze usage and they all die to spiders at the end.
@darkarpatron
@darkarpatron Ай бұрын
Don't know if this was ever addressed, do Daleks die of old age or are they immortal as far as aging goes?
@dalekbumps
@dalekbumps Ай бұрын
According to Missy (who granted, isn't a reliable source) Daleks can live forever as long as they aren't injured or destroyed, but Daleks that have existed for thousands of years will eventually start to decay if they aren't maintained, and if they decay too much they are confined to the lowest level of the Dalek City on Skaro, the sewer/graveyard of the Daleks
@AnubisX1
@AnubisX1 Ай бұрын
Also you have the lights of skaro, which a dead planet dalek meets itself from thousands of years into the future, which actually causes it despair that it survived that long stuck in the dalek casing.
@darkarpatron
@darkarpatron Ай бұрын
@@dalekbumps I wasn't sure if there was some sort of official analysis or just Missy's words, but this does answer my question. Many thanks. :)
@njfox3305
@njfox3305 Ай бұрын
I still need to design my own Dalek I'm already desided on useing the scraped movie dalek skirt design, the recon scout/defence drone turret section, and a modified paradime eye stalk but the head and neck sections a bit up in the air right now. Any sujestions?
@reecehaines395
@reecehaines395 Ай бұрын
i can imagine if i had a black one
@kn3448
@kn3448 Ай бұрын
I personally think that the new paradigm Daleks were a wasted opportunity utilised by pathetically poor writers and dismissed by a cowardly show runner. Here's my take; after Victory of the Daleks, the Paradigms instantly declare a crusade to annihilate all impure Daleks from all universes and all timelines. However, they remain few in number and it takes time to evolve more mutants to bolster their forces. Their quest to achieve the goal of a pure Dalek strain leads them to attack star systems for the raw materials they need and they seem all but invincible. Every encounter the Paradigm has with their other "impure" Dalek counterparts leads to the utter obliteration of the latter with the Paradigm's ultimate goal of retaking their original homeworld, Skaro, before going on to conquer in all universes and all timelines. Having limited numbers, I think the Paradigm could have been kept as background characters, only emerging every now and then to show off how ruthless, scary and unstoppable they are. They could have shown little regard for the Doctor, viewing him and Gallifreyans in general more as a pests rather than all powerful Time Lords. Their main focus would continue to be wiping out all impure Daleks, something of an epic undertaking regarding their still relatively small numbers. As for the Eternal, I would have made it exactly that; Eternal. An indestructible, immortal Dalek capable of regenerating itself no matter how much damage it took, even total disintegration. That way, even if all Daleks everywhere and everywhen were destroyed, the Dalek race would always have an assured way of returning. I honestly think that with a little time, effort and courage, the New Dalek Paradigm could have been an awesome enemy; one whose disregard for who and what he is puts even the Doctor on the back foot. Implacable, ruthless and hard to take down with only a handful of Drones able to conquer entire star systems. A foe so deadly that even the Doctor's oldest, most feared enemies approach him for help in a seemingly impossible conflict that decimates their numbers on a daily basis. In the rare event of a defeat, the Paradigm retreat into the shadows to rebuild their lost forces and bide their time until another opportunity to assert their dominance and superiority presents itself. Just my thoughts. Like I say, I think the new Dalek Paradigm was a totally wasted opportunity and Chinballs a total coward who let himself be utterly cowed by bitching Whovians with far too much time on their hands.
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