yeah i think its so odd that we just accepted it as a funny little quirky bit back then

Saying how old he is feels like ageism

@@oooh19 ageism is denying people opportunities because of their age, not calling out inappropriate age gaps in relationships!!

​@Goldlucky13 They aren't taking Paris as a human being with emotions seriously. Much like Kirk, this autistic coded extremely odd person's entire life and every scene is played for laughs. The fact that she chooses to date someone so old is also framed as very much her own choice. She's too... not sure what word makes sense here, maybe just too "in control of everything" to possibly be the victim of anything unfair is sorta implied. It's a weird thing to imply but literally everything about Paris as a character is pretty weird.

Isn’t that in itself a statement on age gaps and power dynamics relationships especially for that time frame? If this is how it was being portrayed on TV, what does that say for how it was happening in real life? I prefer this cause this is more real I don’t like the fake versions where people cared and realized how wrong it was. That’s not what happened back then. Understand what that means for society as a whole and don’t try and sugarcoat reality.

Yes! I had a section that I cut out of the video where I said something similar. It didn't seem like Asher was into Paris because she was just so unique and special that he looked past her age. He was into her because of her age. They got together very quickly (they start seeing each other in the same episode that they met) and like you mentioned, he has a pattern of doing this.

What I didn't get is Paris flipping out over the 'secret'. Doyle mentions that "last year it was... (forgot the name). So it seems he never cared to hide any relationships before

@ennuiblue4295 Paris is pretty insecure (which makes her secretive) and oblivious to what other people notice. Same thing happened when she was first dating Jamie and Francie found out about it-- Paris was upset because she thought it was "private." What she didn't realize was how obvious it already was, whether or not Rory said anything.

Yes, but remember that itself is a statement on the power dynamics and relationship age gaps Think about it people didn’t even bat an eye. they would laugh at Paris. They were calling her an idiot, but they don’t really consider that she was a victim. The man get a pass, the women get judged.

@@ennuiblue4295 people found out the names after the professor disposed of them.

Yea but Paris is not very charismatic or in the know of how to properly handle relationships or emotions. She lacks social savvy zigging and zagging

☺ I'm glad it wasn't too silly. I was going to do a whole video on Lindsay's life after Dean but since I kept putting it off, I figured this will suffice. My other story was too much out there.

I'd like to know what that story is. The only "after Dean," Lindsay stories I know of are a few fanfiction I've come across which pair her with Jess, of all people. Strangely, one of them was so well done, it had me shipping it. Both of those two deserve to be happy. @@PensiveWhiskers

wait I'm confused... did that really happen on the script but they just didn't show it to us or is it some kind of make up scenario from fans?😅

It's made-up fanfiction. I'm sorry, I should have made that clear in the video. 😳

@@PensiveWhiskers haha it’s okay!! I knew it, just wanted to be sure cause I really liked that story tbh🥹🫠

Love your thoughts RE: how the Paris-Asher relationship could have been revealed to Richard. That would have been great!

​@@kateliness2 I bet Richard either would say something to make his friend look good and blame Paris or dismiss the whole thing (like he did with the Mitchum-Rory situation).

Yeah, the Jamie break-up was a rough one. We didn't get a proper Jamie send-off. I feel like involving Richard in the Asher/Paris plotline would have added some good drama.

Yeah, it was an interesting choice. I think the writers were attempting to show a different side of her personality or perhaps trying to show that even though she has a tough exterior shell, she is a teenager at the end of the day.

@@PensiveWhiskers interesting is a nice way to put it ;) I really liked the Doyle relationship way better because it WAS another side to her, but it was not a completely different person, which is more common. Usually we do not change 180 degrees when we are in love and if we do, one of those sides is fake..;)

She was like that with Tristan too, almost kver the top qith how accommodating and smushy she was. She hella mean to that poor redhead kid, and for what?

Good point, Paris' actions around boys she likes are consistent, starting with Tristin. She is usually over the top with her feelings. Do you mean Brad?

@@PensiveWhiskers it is consistent in the writing, though i do not think it is consistent with human nature, just a wishful fantasy that strong abrasive women will melt once they are in love...kind of a modernized taming of the shrew thingy. I am glad they corrected when they paired her up with Doyle

Yes! Looking back, I think the show utilized parallel storytelling a lot to tie characters together. Someone else pointed out the haircut as well. I wonder if that was intentional by the show. I would be impressed if it was; that's commitment to detail.

@@PensiveWhiskers i’ll just assume it was on purpose, there’s no way to know the real truth so why not assume the best.

@@PensiveWhiskersI believe it was on purpose this show has soooo many little details even the year in the life started w rory at the same age her mother was when GG first started ✨parallels✨

Same!! To everything you said.

Thank you so much! I'm happy I can revive some interest. Plus, your comment makes me feel more confident in arguing that my use of the shows' footage falls under "fair use." 😆

Is this a canon or a fan theory?

The Jamie/Lindsay romance? It's my fan fiction. 🙃

It is a shame that they didn't keep Doyle and Paris together in the revival. I think they were good together. I'll probably get into this topic more when I get to the revival but I feel like while I understand how these two might not work out, the reasons that were given in the revival didn't feel right to me (based on how I understand the characters).

@grodriguez7225 I felt the same way!

that would be unbearable, even to watch. They both had such strong characters... neither of them would take it easy. It would be two hard heads trying to prove who is more emotionally unstable.

Wow, that is a fascinating potential character combination! I agree that it could be unbearable, but also... maybe it could be amazing? Both of them are SO sure of themselves in their irritating behavior, and they come from completely different social strata that neither would respect, BUT they both have terrible families who neglect them, and that could allow them to bond over their trauma. I think Paris would bully the hell out of Jess to get his shit together, and I think that might actually have worked, whereas soft young Rory couldn't have pushed him enough. To clarify, it is NOT someone's job to push their partner to improve (and especially not a woman needing to fix her man, etc). But we do in reality change during relationships, with the influence (for good or ill) of our partner. I basically imagine that Jess would have ended up in his later season situation: a writer, part of an indie book world, calm and collected and fine as hell. And Paris would have appreciated the effort he put in, and even though he didn't make it through academia his drive and achievement would have mattered to her in a way that it just didn't for Rory. And though it may sound weird, I bet they would have super intense chemistry. They do so much work to make Paris seem less attractive than Rory, but Paris is beautiful and deserves to shine. I never knew I had such strong feelings about these two characters! To anyone who read the whole thing, thank you for coming to my Ted Talk. 🤓 Edit: I realized I didn't mention what Jess offers Paris! I would actually love to hear thoughts on this. What does young Jess really have to offer to anyone? He's adorable, but damn he's difficult.

@@Phoenix-zy1cx I love this idea! I agree, that especially as adults, they would be really good together. As for what Jess offers to Paris, I would say he offer intellectual and emotional stimulation. I could imagine them having the longest discussions

I always wanted them to be friends. They could have had so many great scenes. Like imagine the phone call they could've had when Rory dropped out of Yale 😅

I have heard other people talk about this possibility before, and there are some good fanfiction out there exploring it. Personally, I would prefer them as friends, but I do wish they had gotten to interact more.

Yeah, that is where I landed as well. I can't see Rory or another peer trying to get in the way of Paris' relationships because it would cause more trouble. I think it's realistic for Rory to not do anything about it.

Hahahahaha 😆

Prior to the Asher relationship, i think the only real mention of her dad was when her parents very public, very messy divorce was being discussed, and then a one-off that divorce was apparently going to be too expensive. Beyond that, it was the family legacy she felt she didn't live up to by not being accepted into Harvard. But yeah, Paris had some major issues at home. Her parents weren't even at her graduation, her nanny and her kids were. And yeah, I see what you're saying. The relationship makes sense. Beyond the initial shock, it isn't very surprising. That doesn't make it any less awful, but it does make a certain amount of sense.

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Thanks! Whenever there's a loose end on a show, I feel very tempted to create a happy ending. I know it's a little too positive and aspirational.

@@PensiveWhiskers can't be too positive in a World like this

Thank you! 😊 I hope you enjoyed it!

Same 😂

Thank you! 😁 I’ve been having so much fun creating alternative stories. It’s been the best part of the video making process, even if some of my stories are not well received. 😂

It's not stupid to still have feelings! We can't help how we feel. It's good that you decided to move on and that you are glad you did. I agree with you on the scene between Asher and Paris. To me, it almost felt like the actor himself didn't feel comfortable with the relationship. There was no romantic chemistry.

@@PensiveWhiskers that is so nice of you to say 🥺 Thank you for validating my feelings 💗 I love your videos and because of you and "Better with Bob" I consider watching the intire Buffy show 😅

​🙂I would recommend it, it's personally my favorite show. I know some people don't like supernatural shows, but I think it explores a lot of interesting themes using the supernatural.

​@@larafranke1802definitely watch Buffy. It's so so good. 😊

Thank you! ☺️ You saying that you gained a new perspective means a lot, it means I’m getting better at expressing myself. I agree that Richard would probably not care about the Asher/Paris relationship. I thought that perhaps if he was forced to see how similar Paris and Rory are, he might develop some sympathy for Paris. If Rory spoke to him, he might be convinced. Without that, I think he would totally condone the relationship.

Its the man's fault she cheated....of course. Lol.

Thank you 🙏❤️

Thank you for watching. ☺

Yay! I'm so glad!

I cannot unsee Jonathan in Doyle 🤣. I’m sure there are a lot of connections between Buffy and Gilmore Girls that I’m not covering. There is an interesting podcast that I used to listen to where a couple would watch both Buffy and Gilmore Girls and then discuss both shows. They noticed a lot of parallels between the shows.

Me neither I really didn't like that the writers ended that relationship

Thank you! 😁

Hey! Thank you for pointing this out. I went back to check and it is Christmas. I don’t know why I said Thanksgiving

I think there's some evidence to support that hypothesis. When Rory said to Paris "my grandfather introduced you to him, do you see how weird that is for me?" Paris says "Well, hot men tend to run in packs."

Oh goodness, when you were in college?

Hahahahaha, I guess? In terms of plotline similarities but very different in terms of everything else. 😆

Yes! Doyle is great. I think he made a good romantic interest. He was so incredibly supportive and loving in season 7.

I mean, if there was ever a quote to represent Jonathan’s problematic nature…it’d be that one 😂

I also thought that Rory’s mention of Spike and Dru in that episode was foreshadowing for Doyle. That’s a good point about Doyle being named after Doyle on Angel. I always associated the name « Doyle » with the character on Angel so I automatically thought it was a funny coincidence that a Buffy alum would have the same name as a Buffyverse character. The peeing in the pool is definitely not Jonathan’s worst action, or even close to it. I was attempting (and failing) to do an inside joke with Buffy fans. I was thinking “what if I included the most benign clip of a character who has clearly done a lot worse.” I’m not very good with jokes so a lot of them fall flat in my videos. 😅

Have you thought about making a video with your thoughts on Jonathan?@@PensiveWhiskers

I have considered it. He is a complicated character. My feelings about him are even more so. Not quite ready for him.

Fair.@@PensiveWhiskers

Thank you! I had a lot of fun making it. :)

Interesting take re: Asher/Paris. Why did you hope that relationship would work out? No judgement! 🙂 I'm just curious.

@@PensiveWhiskers I'm not entirely sure how to say it .. he seemed to really care for her in spite of any gossip about other girls. It was like he really wanted to think of a possible future path with her. He could have been good for her if fate hadn't intervened...

@@petabulmer3317There would always have been a power dynamic.

I'm sorry I didn't include it. I have been thinking of doing a separate video on AYITL so I have been mostly holding off on discussing the content of the revival. I want to figure out how I feel about all of it first. When I'm watching with my thinking cap on, my perception shifts a lot. I took some notes on the revival but I have to go back and re-watch again. I will be sure to discuss Paris and Doyle in the revival when I make that video. :)

Yeah, I would have wanted them to stay together in the revival. They were so in sync at the end of the original series.

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@@PensiveWhiskers Lol do you understand it's a Tcoaal reference in one of the ending of the coffin of Andy and Leyley?

No, but I do now😆

I love Danny tho. 😊

Oh absolutely! I thought it would be funny choosing that clip as an example, knowing that him peeing in a pool is hardly his worst action. 😆