F-104G Lawndart I mean Starfighter Vs Mig-21 Cold War DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator

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@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын

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@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

F-15STOL/MTD VS NGAD

@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

8:25 missile impacts the ground lol was well disguised in the falling debris ;)

@thecobra45 Жыл бұрын

F104 vs mig 31 DOGFIGHT F16 vs F86

@firebald2915 Жыл бұрын

Most times, the comments are as entertaining as the battles.

@ecoop20 Жыл бұрын

Is the Jeff still a thing? Haven't seen it on your channel in like a year

@potatonamedtate6727 Жыл бұрын

How do you get a F-104? Buy a plot of land in Germany and wait.

@oof6205 Жыл бұрын

Lmao actually hilarious

@cliffordclaussen2321 Жыл бұрын

😂

@EDCandLace Жыл бұрын

This actually really tickled me lol

@yoamal1187 Жыл бұрын

@@EDCandLace tickled??????

@BaseSerpentMessmer Жыл бұрын

😆 lol

@RudyRedTop Жыл бұрын

"It banks with intent to turn" is probably one of the funniest quotes ever.

@firebald2915 Жыл бұрын

" ya don't get that lucky twice..." - GS

@charleswatkins8558 Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more, couldn't agree more !!!!

@slowhornet4802 Жыл бұрын

F-104 G CCV would be an interesting addition.

@Jones607 Жыл бұрын

An F-104 needs the state of Nebraska to do a 180 turn.😆

@alwenke212 Жыл бұрын

a lawn dart has much better aerodynamics than an f-104.

@the_beef4762 Жыл бұрын

Your video quality is so far ahead of all the other DCS videos on YT. It looks gorgeous. Great as always bro.

@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын

many thanks, much love.

@farisshaikh1026 Жыл бұрын

@@GrowlingSidewinder Which version of the AIM-9 were you using? L, M, P?

@colRobinOlds Жыл бұрын

@@farisshaikh1026 I think the G version used either J or E version, most likely it's aim 9J

@Db--jt7bt Жыл бұрын

I have an uncle who flew F-4s and F15As. He said the F-104 was not an airplane, but a manned cruise missile that would sometimes return to base. Never flew in them but saw them many times in Germany.

@nurderbvbabernurderbvb Жыл бұрын

"sometimes" says everything you need to know about the f104😅

@spitefulwar Жыл бұрын

Hartmann himself said about the F-104 (he qualified on it) that it indeed was not a dogfighter but rather an incredible interceptor and boom and zoomer. He argued having superior speed on all altitudes as the prime quality in a supersonic fighter.

@JazzJaRa Жыл бұрын

Hartmann didn't flew it himself. He was against the plans of the german Luftwaffe to buy the Jet. He had good conections to the Pilots in the US Airforce and they told him about all the problems the Jet had. One of the F-104 Project Leaders said that Hartmann didn't had the expirience to talk about the matters. After a lot of accidents Hartmann blamed the german decission of buying the jet and was pushed away from his post.

@anthonyhayes1267 Жыл бұрын

Hartmann, if I'm not mistaken, tended to stick to tactics such as boom and zoom during ww2.

@BrianTRice77 Жыл бұрын

A battle where the MiG-21 enjoys an advantage in wing loading! 😂

@BrianTRice77 Жыл бұрын

Seriously, just seeing the F-104 in combat simulation is great.

@Pman353 Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure a car has more wing loading😂

@gt7984 Жыл бұрын

Wonder how it compares to the harrier lol

@stcredzero Жыл бұрын

F-104: At least it has better wing loading than a brick.

@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see GS fly The J-7 VS MIG-21 lol cant really get a closer matchup!👍

@dhmacher Жыл бұрын

"Where's that missile?" is almost as ominous as "Where did he go?"

@baginatora Жыл бұрын

But not as panic inducing as "I think I'm safe"

@Hunter-zp5hd Жыл бұрын

I don’t even DCS, but i watch the channel to see how various aircraft are practically used. It’s nice when you have plausible scenarios. I enjoy those the best.

@Ganiscol Жыл бұрын

The Germans have the nicest nicknames for some of these old planes. 'Erdnagel' is a favorite, sure, but I just love 'Luftwaffen Diesel' for the F-4 Phantom! 😅

@CakePrincessCelestia Жыл бұрын

"Efchen" for the Eurofighter (EF) is nice as well. Sounds like Äffchen, which means little monkey. Or "Klappdrachen" for the Tornado (folding dragon) :)

@radfahrer875 Жыл бұрын

The F-4 is the "Eisenschwein" meaning Iron Pig.

@Ganiscol Жыл бұрын

@@radfahrer875 Die Phantom ist in erster Linie der Luftwaffen Diesel, dann der Öl Ofen und erst dann - vielleicjt - "Eisenschwein", was ja mit gar nix was zu tun hat...

@radfahrer875 Жыл бұрын

@@Ganiscol Na, wieder im Klugscheissermodus unterwegs?

@stcredzero Жыл бұрын

The F-104 and the lawn dart. Both are narrow and sleek. Both are prone to deadly accidents. Both are known to have a tendency to go into the ground.

@nigelsmith7366 Жыл бұрын

Thanks captain obvious 🤣🤣

@HRCSJSUAMMAS Жыл бұрын

nose first, don't forget nose first

@ThisFinalHandle Жыл бұрын

Starfighter: when the circumference of the earth becomes your rate fight. Don't worry, I'll come back around and get him.

@Seabee203 Жыл бұрын

I love how badass the starfighter looks.

@richard.20000 Жыл бұрын

The name is cool too: The Starfighter. It sounds like from Star wars movie. It evokes F-104 can go to orbit and back. That would be cool. Something like UD-4 Cheyenee (Colonial Marines dropship).

@JAEUFM Жыл бұрын

Might be a 'lawn dart', but, it is a sexy looking lawn dart.

@l8knight845 Жыл бұрын

There's a couple places in Alberta where there are Starfighters suspended just above the ground to walk around. Cool jet! Cold Lake Alberta also has a suspended F-18 which is really impressive to walk around.

@rickblackwell6435 Жыл бұрын

I was in Cold Lake Alberta in 1981 during Operation Maple flag and an A-10 claimed to have locked onto a CF-104 with a Maverick missile. I was never sure if he was serious or joking.

@thystaff742 Жыл бұрын

You must have some interesting conversations with planes in an airfield. Ever have any guys approach you with a nice jacket with extra long sleeves?

@ootachi Жыл бұрын

israelis shot down at least one plane with some a2g missile (from a helicopter!) so not impossible

@Isaiah-oj6zm Жыл бұрын

Mavericks can although probs wouldn’t hit

@slowhornet4802 Жыл бұрын

@@Isaiah-oj6zm Would at least be a fair dogfight: Both the F-104 and the Maverick have lots of thrust combined with tiny wings 🙂

@stephentosh1454 Жыл бұрын

Did he specify if the 104 was in the air?😅

@vicroc4 Жыл бұрын

"Oh, it tracked. They don't usually do that." An accurate description of the first generation of air-to-air missiles. Even the Sidewinder had teething pains. During Vietnam where they were clearly the better option over the Sparrow, they still had a tendency to malfunction, lose lock even in good conditions, etc. It wasn't overconfidence in the weapons that led planners to believe that guns were obsolete, it was malicious ignorance that willfully blinded itself to the actual results of air-to-air missile testing.

@LuvhNio Жыл бұрын

According to several old timers, the F-104G had a really great radar and avionics for its time.

@TheGoddamnBacon Жыл бұрын

"What is that, a MiG-19?...Fox-2." Gotta love GS LOL

@thetbnrtitanium007 Жыл бұрын

"Lawndart I mean Starfighter" Cracked me up lmao 😂

@accessdenied3379 Жыл бұрын

I don't see the missile launch.... Kaboom!!!!! 😂 Those KIA parts are the most funniest 😂. Loved it ❤

@rmp5s Жыл бұрын

Imagine flying along and all of a sudden, BOOM...toast...

@HughShower Жыл бұрын

One of the reasons it got it’s nickname early on was the fact it was deadly to its test pilots during development. One test pilot had to eject at speed and was cut in half by the tail. They then decided to try something radical and designed a unique ejection system that fired the pilot downwards through the bottom of the plane to avoid that. Shortly afterwards, a test pilot was killed on a takeoff roll when the ejector seat malfunctioned and fired the pilot into the runway, then the plane ran over the dead pilot. (I’ve seen the test footage - not pretty.)

@nicomeier8098 Жыл бұрын

When I was young the Dutch air force flew the F-104. We used to call the flying soldering irons. They were quite noise, as in those days they could fly low over recreational woodlands..............o how times have changed.

@miguelruiz8183 Жыл бұрын

I like how gs used differential thrust against that mig in that climb!!!

@Irskin Жыл бұрын

Absolutely loving these legacy early- to mid-Cold War aircraft videos. Solid stuff.

@ImUrNemesis97 Жыл бұрын

I got to see the f-104 demo team fly at MacDill AFB some years ago, and it’s still one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen!

@whirlwindeddie2124 Жыл бұрын

8:00 SAM: First warning man, never get too greedy 9:58 SAM: That's it you crossed the line

@eisenphx980 Жыл бұрын

Love that you chose a JG 71 „Richthofen“ 104 G my home town wing. I can remember hearing the sonic boom and early screeching the 104 made from my childhood!

@firestar7188 Жыл бұрын

In the seventies ( 1975 ) when most Starfighter users already had chosen a new fighter plane ( F 16, Tornado .. ) F 104 -G user Italy started the production of the F 104 - S, with Sparrow missiles.

@bobbyshaftoe Жыл бұрын

I understand the Starfighter was 'fast as hell' ... can you do some high speed intercept scenarios with this beast?

@slowhornet4802 Жыл бұрын

That would be nice. Maybe VSN is adding at one point the ZELL variation. Would allow a spectacular launch.

@JesterKindaSucks Жыл бұрын

Man GS, seems like your sanity is deteriorating, having 1 rocket with wings against another rocket with wings

@twinters8 Жыл бұрын

Love the FOX-2 YOLO 40 seconds into the video. "The hell is that? .... FOX-2"

@BSWThunder6 Жыл бұрын

I sat in an RCAF Starfighter at an airshow years ago, just before they went out of service. It's a long way back to those wings 😆

@JGL841 Жыл бұрын

I saw a StarFighter years ago at an airshow in Canada. It had a very distinctive engine sound similar to an F-18 (but much lower pitch). The pilot demonstrated the turning radius of the StarFighter... and I'm still waiting! 😂

@TheRobeRanger Жыл бұрын

Rumor has it that the Starfighter from the airshow is still turning to get to the runway…

@TechnikMeister2 Жыл бұрын

The F104 took over the title of The Flying Coffin from the B47. It was also called The Widow Maker. Losses were 31.8%, all from accidents. It had a stall speed of 316kph (198mph) below which it just fell out of the sky in an unrecoverable flat spin.

@DeathPenny Жыл бұрын

Those MIG-19 jockeys were probably elated that their ejection seats actually worked - but furious when they found out they didn't come with parachutes!

@omenaccipio Жыл бұрын

36 seconds to end the video and GS was: "Where's that missile?" ... I knew it coming.

@uha6477 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic! Perhaps they'll come out with the Italian F-104S too. That might be interesting.

@BirdstrikeJack Жыл бұрын

better liveries by my persp.

@uha6477 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they looked pretty nice.

@timbaskett6299 Жыл бұрын

You should see some of the proposed designs for the F-104. I don't remember what country did it, but there was a model with canards that looked like the tail on the fuselage spine.

@CakePrincessCelestia Жыл бұрын

That's the F-104G CCV Germany used as a testbed for FBW controls.

@simoneradice3576 Жыл бұрын

GS , you should fly in F104S Super Stafighter. Italian variant could carry 2 Aim 7 E , 4 Aim 9 f/j , but no cannon, and was powered with a J79-ge - 19 , 8200 kg/s engine.

@serse9570 Жыл бұрын

Diglielo frà

@simoneradice3576 Жыл бұрын

@@serse9570 eh col mio inglese sgangherato. Quanto ho amato quel caccia, ho sognato per tutta la mia infanzia e ben oltre di volarci!!

@TheGoddamnBacon Жыл бұрын

@@simoneradice3576 hey, you did good man.

@CakePrincessCelestia Жыл бұрын

5:31 That goes well with "The wings are only there to separate the tip tanks from the fuselage" :D 7:58 That's how you spell CLOSE, guys! 8:19 Never take a chance twice... 9:05 Did your engine just die up or did you cut the throttle? 9:32 ... getting greedy... 9:55 The missile always knows where it is by knowing where it isn't... 9:58 ... gets you killed ;)

@g3arjammer837 Жыл бұрын

Why did I read the notification as “Growling Lawndart” at first lmao

@debbiestimac5175 Жыл бұрын

That was a Goa that almost got you. It was if it did a flyby to say, "SA-2? How dare you! See me now, comrade Sidewinder? Are you puckered up or what?" GS: "Whoa!!!!"

@helplmchoking Жыл бұрын

"gotta check your six!" Says the guy who had a bandit form up on his wing completely unnoticed 😂

@71stang94 Жыл бұрын

A Best of 5 dogfight with the F104 would still be worthwhile

@doganakkaya2512 Жыл бұрын

Every day GS's spider-sense for incoming missiles grow a bit more stronger

@nickwanrooy6130 Жыл бұрын

the mig 19 actualy has a very primative RWR. it only detect it when you are locked from the direct rear. there is also a delay in it

@grndiesel Жыл бұрын

Dude, Just because it's called the widow-maker, doesn't mean you have to validate the name. And yet, for some reason I still love the Starfighter.

@firewolfy_6 Жыл бұрын

The Germans also called it "Erdnagel", wich roughly translates as earth nail. Rather accurate, don't you think?

@inquisitorbacon8170 Жыл бұрын

GS: "You don't get that lucky twice." Proceeds to screw around and find out. SA-2 : "Hello, this is the missile guidance system!"

@vicroc4 Жыл бұрын

The missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't...

@Stargazzer811 Жыл бұрын

"We're trying to contact you about your aircraft's expired warranty!"

@darklordojeda Жыл бұрын

At a decommissioned naval air station in my hometown they have an F-104 on static display in NASA livery. It's in rough shape but they're restoring it.

@canadiangringo8006 Жыл бұрын

Dude I just had A&W’s new burger and a plate of crinkle-cut fries. I’m down three beers and I’m sipping a fourth one. I’m watching a GSW vid while lounging in bed and my girl is asleep on my chest. Thank you for contributing to the best evening I’ve had in a decade. Keep up the good work, my friend

@kevinmcdonald6446 Жыл бұрын

Love the 104, even if it was problematic. Looking forward to when the best Century fighter is available, the F-106.

@CakePrincessCelestia Жыл бұрын

I'm so down for full DCS modules of the 102 and 106... probably the most underrepresented fighter, or rather interceptor ever in flight simming.

@kilianortmann9979 Жыл бұрын

@@CakePrincessCelestia The F-101 would enter the chat, but no one remembered to invite it.

@tiivc Жыл бұрын

The old "go completely stationary on the enemy missile operator's scope at the highest possible altitude, to confuse him about whether to shoot" trick, eh?

@EB-Ghost6 Жыл бұрын

The star fighter banks with intent to turn, none the less it is just one of many of my all time favorites

@Ifoughtpiranhas Жыл бұрын

Love the Jagdgeschwader 71 "Richthofen" unit marking on the intake of the F-104.

@SilverbladeDagger Жыл бұрын

GS: "Where's the missile?" SAM: "Here, hold this."

@toddchristensenwolf2509 Жыл бұрын

“Literally splash one” “in the drink” the merry punster today lol!

@Hazmat-assassin Жыл бұрын

7:51 I think the greed saved your life on this one lol. 9:53 dude that's real tough 😂 good flying though! I enjoy your videos! It's very in in depth, thank you!

@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын

Appreciate you watching man, much love.

@nomar5spaulding Жыл бұрын

Love the F-104 Starfighter. This thing is my favorite of the Century Series. My dad's is the 105 Thunderchief.

@SeaWasp Жыл бұрын

Saw a few posts about Cold Lake, AB, and other posts saying they saw the 104s in Canada. I have to assume those were in Cold Lake, too. I got a chance to spend a couple weeks there in 2004 while I was an Air Cadet, doing the aircrew survival summer camp. We had F-18s flying over every 15-20 minutes, as well as helicopters, the Snowbirds, the Thunderbirds, and of course the 104s, all practicing over our heads for the Cold Lake Airshow. Super cool. They would drown out our instructors, it was hilarious. The Starfighters have a hell of a howl! Also, got to go to the actual Cold Lake Airshow, too! On a side note, while we were out in the bush, we were treated to hearing live fire exercises off in the distance as well. Pretty unreal!

@aztec0112 Жыл бұрын

The VSN F104 really likes to go fast...and spin. It also really likes to spin, even on the ground!

@christopherwang4392 Жыл бұрын

According to F.P. Streid (1985), Lockheed did a paper study on modernizing the F-104 Starfighter into a dogfighter by implementing structural changes to compete with Northrop's F-20 Tigershark. Source: Streid, F.P. (1985, April 25). F-104 Dogfighter [PDF].

@bjrneirikstrkersen1021 Жыл бұрын

00:53 "Here's the deal tho...." Accurately describing the Starfighter

@bblvrable Жыл бұрын

The F-104 is like a dragster. It's one of the best jets if you're going in a straight line as fast as possible, and not great at much else.

@icaleinns6233 Жыл бұрын

I STILL wanna see you land that thing! That's gotta be the longest landing roll ever.

@lord_kerman Жыл бұрын

That slow motion "oooooooohhhhh" was great ❤❤

@kiwifire1 Жыл бұрын

Love watching the 2nd and 3rd gen planes in combat. Thanks GS. Keep it up.

@b.chuchlucious5471 Жыл бұрын

Seeing these fly along with the Phantoms/Eagles at Luke AFB when I was younger was a real privilege. They retired the Luftwaffe program in March of '83.

@MrHeuvaladao Жыл бұрын

And that was the last time we've heard of him. His wife is the newest widow.

@schumifan78 Жыл бұрын

0:41 the MiG-17 shedding lonely tears now 😢

@mitsos76 Жыл бұрын

This is the exact color-signs of my 1st aircraft model I made was I was a kid, I grew up with these winged rockets flying arround together with the F4s, back in the '80s in Greece.

@fakshen1973 Жыл бұрын

The Germans tried to press the 104 into other roles than interceptor. It was meant to get up to altitude quickly and then rush to wherever the bombers were coming in.

@AirwayZombie Жыл бұрын

Actually it was not designed to intercept bombers, it was designed as an air superiority fighter. Read the history.

@militantcapitalist4606 Жыл бұрын

Seen an F-104 close, in Belgium in a museum, in the same hall with an F4 Phantom; it looked like a cruise missile with a cockpit when compared to the F4; but such a beautiful little rocket it is.

@CharlesHuse 23 күн бұрын

The SAM across the nose make me think of that line from Spaceballs..."I said across her nose, not up it." The F-104 would probably done a lot better if it had been intended as an interceptor against bomber formations than as a dogfighter.

@Durzo1259 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm just gonna say it: the military are dorks when it comes to naming stuff and naming a plane the "starfighter" is the pinnacle of dorkiness.

@ribsi85 Жыл бұрын

This jet always makes me laugh. Obviously the pilot stories are hilarious, but the look as well. That tail is so huge and rigid, it looks like it's made of concrete or something. Combined with the weird little stubby wings, comedy.

@GM-fh5jp Жыл бұрын

When flying the Luftwaffe 104 it would be appropriate to say "Auf Wiedersehen" at the moment your Fox 2 impacts the enemy :)

@jsiders7935 Жыл бұрын

Your reaction to that missile at the end made me spit my coffee out.

@pinngg6907 Жыл бұрын

The last one really shows how greed can cost you a lot. He could've just ran away from the mig-15 but he chose to try to take it

@davidsimmons1105 Жыл бұрын

I was very fortunate to have met and spoke with a retired USAF Colonel, who had flown both the F15 and the F104. He was very solid in his conviction, that given an opportunity, he could out fly an F15 with a F104.

@sohrabroozbahani4700 Жыл бұрын

Well... the missile turns tighter it seems...

@High_Alpha Жыл бұрын

GS "I don't see the missile launch...OOHHHH..." [BING] Narrator "It was at this moment he realised... he'd f**ked up."

@sebastianriemer1777 Жыл бұрын

It's strange. We call it the Witwenmacher but I have met ex pilots during my service in the luftwaffe and expected them to hate it. It was quiet the opposite, they all loved that plane.

@Prophet-of-the-Unknown-Lord Жыл бұрын

Fun (sort of...) fact: In Italy the F-104 was nicknamed either "spillone" ("big pin") or "bara volante" ("flying coffin").

@SVSky Жыл бұрын

09:25 combat use for a Pull-pull-pull humpty bump!

@numberyellow Жыл бұрын

In the end, you got greedy, flew too close to the sun, and lost your wings.. Honestly, that's the kind of shit that earns you a callsign. We really should call you Icarus. good fight, dude.

@SliceofLife7777 Жыл бұрын

Widow Maker was a term to describe an unbreakable horse, originally. Such an animal would be useful at rodeos. The fear it instills in would be riders, due to it's history as a killer horse would draw crowds, and be a source of much gambling.

@ootachi Жыл бұрын

lawndart vs pencil, ultimate battles of the 20th century

@EJBert Жыл бұрын

A cautionary tale about target fixation!

@TJP443. Жыл бұрын

I feel like this video with those old missiles really show less dense air up high matters

@neilkigers8047 Жыл бұрын

"The Starfighter is a good machine. But I'd better fly a plane and not this winged rocket"

@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

Taiwanese F-16V VS J-11B BVR!👍 F-18 Super Hornet with AIM-120C-7's VS F-14B Tomcat with AIM-54C's!👍 F-22 Raptor and F-15EX Eagle II VS 18 North Korean MIG-29's BVR! F-22 out front engage bandits first then from around 60-80 miles behind The F-15EX joins the fight with a wall of AIM-120D's!👍👍

@donakahorse Жыл бұрын

the Jart does exactly what it was designed to do, carry missiles and outrun everything else. lol

@alistairong8022 Жыл бұрын

“If your goal was to insult me… you’ve succeeded” -Widow maker… I mean starfighter! dang it…

@Hardcover_Pilot Жыл бұрын

"I don't see the missile launch OHIT'SRIGHTHE--" - Me, entirely too many times

@connarcomstock161 Жыл бұрын

>1960s >RCAF gets F-104s >Never got the memo they're an Interceptor >we've got Voodoos for that silly >Use them as low-altitude bombers Yep. Really.

@Jonas_Z Жыл бұрын

the Starfighter was a huge scandal here in Germany at the time. Because of corruption on the German side regarding the procurement, although some Luftwaffe inspectors would have preferred to procure the Mirage III and concealment of known but accepted serious defects and payment of bribes on the part of Lockheed. A total of about a third of 916 aircraft crashed and 116 pilots died as a result. A injured/survivors class action lawsuit succeeded in the US against Lockheed and Lockheed was ordered to pay the widows $7 million. Got off cheap...