F-22 Raptor Vs J-20 | F-22 Cobra | Air Superiority | Digital Combat Simulator

F-22 Raptor Vs J-20 | F-22 Cobra | Air Superiority | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын

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@linusdroptips660 Жыл бұрын

thanks :D

@berkosmansatiroglu Жыл бұрын

8:36

@F22-Raptor27 Жыл бұрын

FINALLY!!! THE BATTLE I’VE BEEN WANTING FOR WEEKS, AND IT’S FINALLY HERE!!😆😆😆

@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

F-22 Raptor VS Nine North Korean MIG-29's BVR

@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

Please fly The F-4 Phantom against The A-4 Skyhawk!🙏 Please fly The Rafale against The Typhoon!🙏

@alexion2001 Жыл бұрын

The spontaneous F-22 Cobra was so sick

@NationChosenByGod Жыл бұрын

The F-22 was designed to spontaneously turn at will with little to no energy loss.

@huntertito6987 Жыл бұрын

@@NationChosenByGod wouldn’t say no energy loss

@Aquascape_Dreaming Жыл бұрын

@@huntertito6987 definitely wouldn't say no energy loss, because with current technology that would require defying the laws of physics.

@constablemittens Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah that was awesome

@Aquascape_Dreaming Жыл бұрын

@@NationChosenByGod literally impossible to make spontaneous turns with no energy loss.

@caseinnitratjr6861 Жыл бұрын

"The J-20 doesn’t seem to be a dogfighter, more like a missile truck. Hmm where is he now?…oh s*** he’s right behind me now" Best part😂and the beautiful dogfight afterwards.

@beatboxbuggi6884 Жыл бұрын

I came into this video with the sole hope of getting a dogfight

@archer4321 Жыл бұрын

That was not a dogfight, that was a fat lady trying to fight a Ninja.

@masondixon797 Жыл бұрын

@@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire makes sense all dog fights these days are missles that are miles out. Really comes down to stealth capability and reality I dunno if it's as good as the F-22

@majura3743 Жыл бұрын

@@masondixon797 from Taiwanese data the J-20 is no where near the F-22 in terms of stealth ability, but still pretty decent. Although those are just estimates from their radar scans

@jacobdewey2053 Жыл бұрын

@@majura3743 I would imagine the chinese fly with the same radar reflectors that the US does with their 5th gens to hide its true RCS

@Lifelite Жыл бұрын

That was the sickest maneuver I've seen on your vids. Holy hell, fantastic flying.

@JohnKickboxing Жыл бұрын

J-20 is not intended for dogfight.

@L.K.P_ Жыл бұрын

@@JohnKickboxingonly bvr fights with pl15 and pl21

@JohnKickboxing Жыл бұрын

@@L.K.P_ 👌

@sgtango4310 11 ай бұрын

@@JohnKickboxingLadies and gentlemen, welcome to today's episode of didn't ask

@Aui_stormchaser 9 ай бұрын

@@sgtango4310who literally says “did I ask” these days like shut up he’s just saying j-20 isn’t intended for dog fighting yet there is still a 8 year old saying “did I ask”

@Ankhobo Жыл бұрын

It's a pleasant surprise to see the J-20 in DCS, if only because not much is really known about it.

@apersoniguess7345 Жыл бұрын

J-20 blueprints got leaked last month, with this finding, many of the details and capabilities of the J-20 are quickly being revealed

@BravoCheesecake Жыл бұрын

All you need to know is that it has canards. LOL

@yuy389 Жыл бұрын

@@BravoCheesecake the issue is?

@_Chad_ThunderCock Жыл бұрын

@@BravoCheesecake and?

@_Chad_ThunderCock Жыл бұрын

@@apersoniguess7345 source

@bananaprawns Жыл бұрын

My man was so proud of the cobra that he made it an epic replay

@doncalypso Жыл бұрын

The YF-23 didn't have canards, but the proposed *_naval version_* was supposed to have canards.

@DairyCat Жыл бұрын

Canards are interesting factor to the stealth equation. I don't think it's as black and white as some people make it. I've seen some 6th gen proposals with canards.

@Hypernefelos Жыл бұрын

Very big canards, as well. But they were angled upwards, and that's supposed to help with stealth. The J-20's are also angled upwards, although not by as much as the naval YF-23 proposal's.

@pyronuke4768 Жыл бұрын

Also it was Northrop who built the YF-23, Grumman had nothing to do with the design. The merger didn't happen until three (technically four) years after the ATF program concluded.

@NationChosenByGod Жыл бұрын

He said early proposals of the Yf-23 did have canards.

@Hypernefelos Жыл бұрын

@@pyronuke4768 Northrop plus McDonnel Douglas.

@ThePointlessBox_ Жыл бұрын

man with these things getting stealthier and stealthier we might actually get dogfights again where you dont detect eachother until you get into eye sight range

@emmano6340 Жыл бұрын

Maybe the future of Air Combat is getting back to it's roots, whoever's got the better eye sight and experience wins.

@mittens4385 Жыл бұрын

By ‘eye sight’ you mean HOB missiles, right?

@baronmonkerson2195 Жыл бұрын

Yup....unless radars get a LOT better, opposing aircraft that are roughly similar in stealth and IR suppression will literally have to rely on the Mark 1 eyeball in order to see/engage each other....and dogfighting ability

@craigbringman7967 Жыл бұрын

Well some planes are more stealthier then some others

@vlad78th Жыл бұрын

@@baronmonkerson2195 But radar DO get better. They just need to be. What was considered as stealthy in the 90s is no more against modern equipments.

@Turk3YbAstEr Жыл бұрын

I would imagine dogfighting capabiliity is more important for 5th-gen vs 5th-gen fights, since stealth features may lead to BVR missiles being less effective.

@zechenwei1139 Жыл бұрын

Maybe, but since they also all have HOB fox-2's, I'm assuming it depends on who has the highest instantaneous turn rate/high AOA capabilities.

@zechenwei1139 Жыл бұрын

and I think traditional 1&2 circle sustained fights will be less relavent.

@wraith444 Жыл бұрын

@@zechenwei1139 I agree with both points, if stealth really is all it's cracked up to be then BVR will be less effective and nose authority is gonna be a huge deal in peer-to-peer 5th gen matchups.

@theamericancommie727 Жыл бұрын

@@wraith444 of course that’s hypothetically speaking if the 5th gens have good stealth, for example this fight was done under patriot cover, so they had to stay low and get close, but what if say a su-57 with an RCS of 0.01 fought a Raptor with a MUCH better rcs with no S-400 or patriot cover? BVR would be more practical, I think it’s very situational

@theamericancommie727 Жыл бұрын

@@wraith444 they could also invent a new type of search and track method. Instead of radar use gamma rays, Ik that’s impractical btw I’m just throwing it out there

@hadibabiker3028 Жыл бұрын

I see F-22 I click I am a simple man🗿

@noconnection9709 Жыл бұрын

That is all we are simple men just wanting to see the f22

@audriccholley1281 Жыл бұрын

You take the exact same joke than in the previous video

@Clarkem1 Жыл бұрын

I Click, I See.

@sparkshot289 Жыл бұрын

@Pickle See, click. Simplest man.

@saffa4222 Жыл бұрын

@@audriccholley1281 previous 5 f22 vids lol

@bigglessy Жыл бұрын

I live near RAF Lakenheath and RAF Mildenhall and I regularly have F-35's and F-15's practicing dogfights directly over my house. Can confirm the F-35 looks like a capable dogfighter!

@victorguevara4640 11 ай бұрын

F15s in the RAF? I think they should be Americans

@bigglessy 11 ай бұрын

@@victorguevara4640 They are USAF aircraft, they just operate out of RAF bases in the UK. RAF Mildenhall tends to host US refuelling craft, RAF Fairford often hosts bombers like the B-52 and B1, and RAF Lakenheath hosts F-15E's and F-35's etc there's a few more across the country.

@Hello_there_obi 6 ай бұрын

@@bigglessywhat does that have to do with this video? 😅

@itellyouforfree7238 5 ай бұрын

@@Hello_there_obi have you watched the video? GS was talking about whether the F-35 is a decent dogfighter

@robertwood3970 Жыл бұрын

The F-22 can not only do the Cobra, I saw one hang suspended in the air turn and go back the other way 180 degrees at an air show. 😮

@TheofficialJay_CECandgames Жыл бұрын

Everyone knows about that but glad to see you had fun at a airshow

@robertwood3970 Жыл бұрын

@@TheofficialJay_CECandgames Have you ever saw one do that? Bet not.

@TheofficialJay_CECandgames Жыл бұрын

@@robertwood3970 not a cobra but the nose backflip yes XD

@thedishonoredamerican129 Жыл бұрын

Think you're talking about the J turn reposition.

@plane_crazy_weeb1211 Жыл бұрын

In combat, the cobra dosent really matter except in dogfight where you need to go behind the enemy

@zacharysiefer8272 Жыл бұрын

I would have loved to see a tac view breakdown of that second round. Between how the J20 used the mountain for cover to see what exactly spooked him into defending so aggressively and topping it off to see with what kind of velocity he hit the ground at. I mean that dragon shitwhipped itself into the ground at the speed of Mach Jesus from what I could see.

@Capt_OscarMike Жыл бұрын

AGREED!!! Thought the same thing!!!

@beatboxbuggi6884 Жыл бұрын

🤣Mach Jesus lol

@originalcolor Жыл бұрын

The J20 has DAS systems that means it can hardly be ambushed.

@alphastronghold715 Жыл бұрын

He “shitwhipped” after he was hit by the AMRAAM. It could be his controls were knocked out at max turn to the left sending him straight into the ground with the engines at full burn.

@zacharysiefer8272 Жыл бұрын

@@alphastronghold715 I'm aware he was hit by the amraam. I'm just curious about the velocities involved cause I'm a need who likes to calculate what g loads the pilot and airframe may have been under in its final moments.

@an_rc_guy8256 Жыл бұрын

Holy crap, that cobra manuver felt and looked like something straight out of Ace Combat! Love to see it!

@LongTimeAgoNL Жыл бұрын

How the F-22 can turn on a dime still amazes me. What a piece of engineering...

@themollerz Жыл бұрын

I can't wait to fly virtual f-22s in 30 years when a lot is declassified (hopefully).

@jacobdewey2053 Жыл бұрын

Probably more like 40+ years

@thunderwrld Жыл бұрын

Maybe Never declassified lol

@johnleonard9102 Жыл бұрын

Seeing how the Raptor is 20 years old now, and other countries are just now getting around to copying the Raptor, I'm pretty sure it is sixth generation capable, but they call it a fifth gen just because of the time it came out. We probably won't get declassified info on it until 2050 at this rate.

@cosmiceuphoria666 Жыл бұрын

@John Leonard lol the F-22 is not even close to being 6th gen capable. Maybe the F-35 but definitely not the 22

@SapuTaro-nr5bl 2 ай бұрын

@@cosmiceuphoria666 F-18 block iii better!

@Sparra2629 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely love PvP BVR on your channel, thanks so much for this

@ronzwarycz6081 Жыл бұрын

Great content as always! I love the BVR stuff, dogfights are great but this video was fun seeing the full scope of the fight from attempted BVR to the F22 pulling a Cobra and Fox 2 duel.

@ConnorGadson Жыл бұрын

Hey GS, next time you do something this awesome can you also show us the first person view and if it’s possible, the view from the other pilot’s perspective? I’d have loved to see what that looked like from the pilots’ points of view.

@PastorRob77 Жыл бұрын

"He turned into a stealthy lawn dart." AHAHAHA! Good stuff.

@danesyoutubeaccount7603 Жыл бұрын

That cobra maneuver brought a tear to my eye. So badass!

@ThunderbolttheFox Жыл бұрын

I definitely agree that stealth is more likely to lead towards more dogfights rather than less as the harder it is for fighters to detect each other during BVR, It's likely engagements are going to start in visual range where the ability to dogfight is going to be the deciding factor. Also because the ability for Vectored thrust jets to perform sick cobras

@ppen8359 Жыл бұрын

What about electro optical targetting systems? I thought that you turn off radar and use sensors to identify and fire at enemy aircraft. The 360 degree sensor fusion done in F-35 makes it somewhat ambush resistant. EOTS and fire and forget missiles make stealth even more lethal. With EOTS, I do not think there is any need to come close to enemy aircraft.

@beatboxbuggi6884 Жыл бұрын

I totally love how the first J-20 appearance on the channel is BVR fight against an F-22 that brilliantly ends in a glorious dogfight with a spectacular cobra. Just the prefect introduction!

@R3nzo765 Жыл бұрын

That cobra maneuver 👀 very clean I watched that about 10 times and it never got old. Beautiful skills I love your videos it makes me feel like I’m actually with you flying!

@furbyguy Жыл бұрын

So far 5th gen engagements (especially BVR) and the stormovich WW1 stuff are my favorite videos from you, but I love it all. Great flying, I really enjoy your content!

@Dos895 Жыл бұрын

Good fight. Actually be interested in seeing more J-20 stuff in the future too.

@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

@ericlane3256 Жыл бұрын

9:00 That J-20 was FLABBERGASTED

@itRIX49 Жыл бұрын

Duuuude, that Cobra you did in round 1 had me smirk, giggle, and laugh out loud! I had fun watching, thanx. Keep 'em coming!

@williamclark206 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely love these. Your knowledge is very impressive. Teaches me a lot. Im very VERY new to DCS i just figured out how to fire various missiles haha. Looking forward to learning more about DCS and hopefully acquiring new aircraft. Keep up the awesome work us rookies need you lol 👍

@williamanthony5300 Жыл бұрын

I’m fairly new too, what aircraft are you starting on? (You have a very nice first name)

@LazyLightning91 Жыл бұрын

That cobra maneuver was one of the coolest, most well executed maneuvers I've seen you pull off since I've been watching the last few years. A freaking plus. You gotta post the cockpit camera as a short or something! ...please :)

@viktorbihar5384 Жыл бұрын

That Barrel Roll only made it all the more stunning, gee!!

@APH.95 Жыл бұрын

That cobra was insane 😍🔥💥

@wraith444 Жыл бұрын

He did a great job turning it around and jumping you in that first fight, and that subsequent scissors/cobra was nuts!

@botistelockhart5078 Жыл бұрын

Great stuff here!! Love your smooth commentary and explanation of the action!!

@bridgecross Жыл бұрын

I thought these two stealth planes would fight without seeing each other, but that got real interesting real fast.

@caominhhungtran6098 Жыл бұрын

The energy retention of the F-22 is so good!

@OcelotGam3z 11 ай бұрын

That move was freaking insane! The cobra and then a corkscrew alongside the J20 looked like something out of an air show!

@patrickdavis8271 Жыл бұрын

Love your videos that are a cat vs mouse show. The aircraft can only do so much and then its left up to the pilot. Great video GS! Love to see more just like this one. 😉👍

@ohctascooby2 Жыл бұрын

The stealth concern with canards is when they are off-axis. Flying flat they should be no less stealthy than the main wing but when angling up or down they can be highly visible.

@itellyouforfree7238 5 ай бұрын

even the EF limits how much the canards deflect to reduce RCS

@donh6177 Жыл бұрын

The "stealthy lawn dart" comment cracked me up, the cobra move was bad ass!!! Great video!

@spxtfxre1 Жыл бұрын

This. This exact kind of video is frickin awesome. Also, that cobra on the f22 was so sick

@shanekindlon8810 Жыл бұрын

That cobra was sick! F22 is such an amazing piece of engineering!

@jeffhurckes190 Жыл бұрын

That J20 looks like it came straight out of Kerbal Space Program

@trevor1515 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for showcasing the J-20! Hope to see it more also in 2v1 J-20 fights, more dogfights and some BVR!

@UGANationalChamps Жыл бұрын

I've been waiting a long time for this match up from you. Be great to see the J20 take on other types of fighters as well. Or even a guns only. :)

@galacticalliance4801 Жыл бұрын

jesus christ that was a beautiful, and perfectly timed cobra, completely turned the tables on that guy.

@Grandslam245 Жыл бұрын

Imagine the sudden bone chilling fear an F22 pilot must feel when they hear a missile lock on them but can't see anything on radar. Their adrenal gland just bursts all over itself.

@kanebehne3604 Жыл бұрын

“Hit the brakes and he’ll fly right on by” that cobra maneuver was beautiful

@tone420_ Жыл бұрын

Man I was waiting for this for the longest thank you!

@doodmonkey Жыл бұрын

The cobra move is amazing.

@joshuagriffith6787 Жыл бұрын

The YF-23 and J-20 are two jets that we've never really seen get featured on your channel. I think it would be a badass video to have the two dogfight. Great video as well! That cobra in the F-22 gave me chills.

@jesuschrist-alphaomega Жыл бұрын

Dam that was a beautiful move. Gotta replay that again. Thank you for throughing us such a tasty treat.

@ph1ni422 Жыл бұрын

I'm really impressed. Thank you for the footage.

@enigma6482 Жыл бұрын

That cobra maneuver was just cool looking. Wish we got the cockpit perspective of it too though.

@uno_1762 Жыл бұрын

it would be cool to have the perspective of the j11 pilot

@arctictiger8690 Жыл бұрын

Hey guys, I think GS *might* be proud of that cobra.

@charleswatkins8558 Жыл бұрын

That 22 never ceases to amaze, but how in the world did that thing come up behind you.

@CenobiteBeldar Жыл бұрын

The way you two birds danced talon to talon was phenomenal.

@mossfamily2000 Жыл бұрын

I find it amazing that the f-22 been out since the 80s basically and still is dominate

@Viper-ih3yt Жыл бұрын

What???? I mean the program started in the 80s but the plane didn’t see service until 2005 (If I’m correct)

@LOLHAMMER45678 Жыл бұрын

@@Viper-ih3yt YF-22 flew in 1991, first production aircraft flew in 1997

@Viper-ih3yt Жыл бұрын

@@LOLHAMMER45678 got it. Thanks for the correction.

@sharequsman596 Жыл бұрын

The stealth design is definitely really good but the f35 way more advance.I wonder if a f35 with its far more advance sensors could pick up the f22

@PackinForSuperbowl Жыл бұрын

I asked a version of this question on last video and it was kind of touched on in this one. I realize there's in most cases very little public information on these fighters, but the sim devs should be able to quantify how much of the performance in the sim is, for lack of a better term, completely made up by them. I'm curious what that generally is.

@kamalmanzukie Жыл бұрын

maybe some physics / fluid simulations to get an idea of the aerodynamics. feel like maybe a supercomputer would be needed to solve the equations for the RCS if they are public knowledge (not sure if they are) then as far as all the radar/sensor capabilities we could only really guess

@examples262 Жыл бұрын

Both of these aircraft are mods. Their performance here is entirely made up

@sgt.grinch3299 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic flying @GS. That was an insane move.

@1c-man Жыл бұрын

dude that cobra maneuver was hot as hell. good job and please make more dogfight scenes with maneuver.

@macaroniwithdachickenstrip8684 Жыл бұрын

Finally J20 vs F22 let’s go!

@timbaskett6299 Жыл бұрын

I was hoping we could see this combo at some point!!

@chrisdionela Жыл бұрын

The F-22 cobra manuever and the sick rolls of J-20 seems like they were dancing. So majestic.

@gld1010 5 ай бұрын

We are now starting to catch up with birds of prey in aerial agility. Except for speed, they had us beat for a long time.

@alanmakoso1115 Жыл бұрын

The fight we've been all waiting for!

@viktorbihar5384 15 күн бұрын

I've been looking for this exact moment for 2 days now. That Maneuver was absolute.

@MobiusThreeMusic Жыл бұрын

Loving these 5th gen engagements, even if they are guestimates at best. I don't think the J-20 is a dogfighter, everything about it's design seems to suggest it is a stealthy awacs-killer and strike fighter.

@georgewright3949 Жыл бұрын

A sort of 5th generation Foxhound maybe

@matrinezkevin11492 Жыл бұрын

@RuneGeography The F22 was chosen over the YF23 in part because it was a better dogfighter than the YF23. And according to some red on blue F16 pilots, the Vipers need to pull everything out of their ass and then some just to barely stay alive against the Raptors in ACM engagements and the Viper is one of the greatest dogfighters ever built. I agree on the F35 and J20 though the Felon seems like it should be a good dogfighter as well even if it comes at the cost of some stealth like it did to the F22

@berengerchristy6256 Жыл бұрын

@@Scheiseposter f22 is definitely a dogfighter. not primarily, but obviously it can and it is dominant when it does

@abes3925 Жыл бұрын

@@matrinezkevin11492 the real reason is because Northrop, Boeing, and McDonald Douglas all had large military plane contacts and Lockheed needed some love so they lobbied the shit of them to get that contract.

@jacobdewey2053 Жыл бұрын

@@abes3925 As much as I see that line parroted, I really think that's a misunderstanding of the ATF program acquisition. Despite how much people suck off the YF-23, the F-22 was a superior place at the time of the competition. It's engines were more refined (as much as I like GE, the YF120 was just not a very good engine at the time and it would've hampered readiness and cost), the design as a whole was much more mature (meaning less time till it entered service), capable of carrying more missiles, a superior dogfighter, etc. There's also the fact that Northrop at the time was having issues with the B-2 program at the time being behind schedule and over budget (yes yes, I know about the struggles with the F-35 program but this was the 90's. Also Northrop wasn't trying to design an aircraft for 3 branches who don't like cooperating on designs). The proposal that Lockheed put forward was more mature and was likely to enter service sooner and cheaper than the YF-23. Military acquisition isn't always about getting the best thing possible, it's about the best thing possible for a cost that congress/the public will accept. Would the YF-23 have ended up a better aircraft? Possibly. Does that mean the F-22 wasn't the right choice? Not necessarily. TL;DR: Defense acquisition is more complicated than teenagers and casuals on the internet would like to think. Was there lobbying by LM? Almost certainly. Does that mean it was the reason the F-22 was selected? doubtful. Especially since Northrop almost certainly was lobbying as well.

@thomaz.869 Жыл бұрын

Dogfighting will be important again like the good old days when stealth technologies become more common. Which is good for me since I get to watch more dogfighting

@arkadious9320 Жыл бұрын

yes and no. Off bore sight missiles really negate most of the angles in close range dogfighting (which is why the F-35 has them). The "good ol days" are never coming back.

@ferrous3262 Жыл бұрын

@@arkadious9320 isnt it still categorized as a dogfight even with off bore sight missiles

@arkadious9320 Жыл бұрын

@@ferrous3262 I am going to have to say no. Simply because it is so drastically different than what dog fighting is traditionally defined as. You have to remember most of this we see in DCS because they agree not to shoot and to merge. . thats not how it works in the world. If somehow by pure chance it would be a "merge" and both jets pull to each other and fire off bore sight most likely killing each other. . not much of a fight.

@thomaz.869 Жыл бұрын

@@arkadious9320 I get your point maybe I should rephrase "dogfight" to close range combat

@spezialist7674 Жыл бұрын

My gosh. That cobra made even Maverick clapping :D Beautiful to watch.

@brianbriones5309 Жыл бұрын

That cobra was crazy! Like something out of a movie 🔥

@ChadKanotz Жыл бұрын

I remember in the Marines standing guard at a local air show over the then newly publicized F-117. When it was out for maintenance, and the reporters came by, we would joke that the reason they couldn't see it was because of the stealth.

@boostedbadboyzx12r31 Жыл бұрын

It's name was John Cena

@SapuTaro-nr5bl 2 ай бұрын

Down in Serb

@tachikomakusanagi3744 Жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to see how the J-20 did the ambush in the first round

@dryfly2000 Жыл бұрын

Thank you as always. Nice fly fishing water!

@timsullivan4566 Жыл бұрын

Noice flying G.S, That 1st kill was sick. F-22 vs Anything !

@obsidianstatue Жыл бұрын

Canards are just another control surfaces, it's not inherently unstealthy The designers just have to align it to the rest of the surface, so that the radar waves are reflected into the same direction, ie away from the enemy And as far as I can see, the J-20 canards ARE edge aligned with the rest of the surface, which means it's indeed a stealthy design

@codylamoureux7856 Жыл бұрын

Could we see f-35 vs J-20? I feel like that could possibly be a match up we may see in the future more commonly than with an F-22

@philparnell757 Жыл бұрын

Brother that cobra was smooth AF! Ya love to see it

@Act1v8ed Жыл бұрын

If this based on what we know about the F22 I can only imagine what it can really do in real world theater. Oh and that turn was absolutely 🔥🔥🔥🔥

@Shogun1982 Жыл бұрын

GS: Cobra is pretty useless Pugachev: You are welcome, comrade.

@stinkyfungus Жыл бұрын

No, GS and pretty much every REAL fighter pilot says its "mostly" useless under all but limited circumstances. You just saw the limited circumstance where its can be made to work. (And it would have gotten GS killed if that J20 had a wingman that was worth a shit, and positioned where a wingman should be ) Just sayin' (And yeah... it was a BITCHIN move.)

@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын

Loool ya the only reason it worked is because he made the mistake of having too much closure and not staying in my control zone. If he did that the cobra wouldn’t have worked.

@heathb4319 Жыл бұрын

@@GrowlingSidewinder ...but the real awesome thing here is you were aware enough to know what his plane is doing, know what options you have, then grabbed the one that fits that scenario at that moment the best. Your casual decision making skills mixed with your in-video lessons and reasoning is why you have become my go to channel for anything DCS or entertainment in general. Keep it up brother. You are creating something worth watching.

@Stormskip Жыл бұрын

I think the difference with the F35 is that it's an export fighter with multirole capabilities in an era where technology advancements allow for more standoff capability . There was probably some level of foresight when developing the F22 where stealth capabilities could lead to more dogfight scenarios, but technology at the time of development probably limited weapon systems more than weapon platforms.

@beatboxbuggi6884 Жыл бұрын

At the time of the F-22’s development, I don’t think there were really any projected non-American stealth aircraft, so Lockheed didn’t really have that to consider back then. Maybe though?🤷‍♂️

@yesyes-om1po Жыл бұрын

to me, the F-35 is the replacement to the F-16's aging airframe and technology, and the F-22 was supposed to be the replacement to the F-15/F-18. One multirole stealth strike fighter, and one absolute air superiority stealth fighter.

@nicos1097 Жыл бұрын

Dude that cobra that got you on his 6 reminded me of those phonk edits people make of the F22.

@Skyfaller2010 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely LOVE watching your videos. I learn a lot and it's fun to watch.

@mildmanneredthinkingman9323 Жыл бұрын

Still anxiously waiting to see your video vs. the YF-23 you teased last time. lol

@doncalypso Жыл бұрын

Was thinking the same thing....

@ionsilver557 Жыл бұрын

Based on some recent footage from this year's Zhuhai airshow, the J20 seems actually has decent dogfighting potential. Especially now that its engine has been switched from Russian products to domestically-made ones, its maneuverability has improved significantly compared to previous years. In addition to "basic" maneuvers like cobra or falling leaf, it can even roll continuously off the speed vector at high AOA while still maintaining climb - a maneuver I haven't seen any other aircraft do. Maybe the F16 has done it, but at a much smaller AOA. On the other hand, though, it still has not had TVC, nor does it have a gun. Both of these should be a problem for extreme dogfighting scenarios.

@Grandslam245 Жыл бұрын

So you're saying it just flies backwards, upwards? Ching tech is insane.

@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle Жыл бұрын

The footage I have seen doesn't really show me anything amazing that can compare with F-22 demos I've seen. Not saying it's not capable, but was hoping for better performance.

@kmanliberty1065 Жыл бұрын

I would not call the switch from AL31 to WS-10C a upgrade. Yes, it has about 10% more thrust but it also weight around 200kg more per unit, that's close to 400kg of extra weight by switching the engine. And I have check all the Zhuhai footage from KZfaq I can find. Could not see any that has Cobra, Falling leaf as you describe. As for your description of "High AOA roll". It seems like no more than a barrel roll during a climb. Granted not common but not entirely unheard of. I have seen at least F-18 and Rafale perform this maneuver in some clips. So far with all the footages available on KZfaq, I haven't seen any that make J-20 worthy of "Super Maneuverability" label unlike F-22 and SU-57.

@ionsilver557 Жыл бұрын

@@kmanliberty1065 Looking back now, it does seem that the J20 never showed a full cobra. I probably confused it with the J10B that was used to test TVC. the J20's falling leaf capability was shown in some video clips before Zhuhai, mainly flying over Chengdu.

@pkerlei Жыл бұрын

@@kmanliberty1065 should search again, just J 20 on KZfaq, you should see some new video from this year's zhuhai airshow.

@ryanpan3015 Жыл бұрын

Dogfighting is a very important key ability for a 5th gen fighter, but also able to shoot each other at long ranges is also important, if you want to build 5th gen fighter, you have to make sure they survive an close quarter encounter from a merge but also attack enemy aircraft from long distances without having any trouble whatsoever.

@mobiusflammel9372 Жыл бұрын

I’m not entirely certain that’s the case. Or at least the US doesn’t seem to believe it is. I say that because every render we’ve seen of six generation fighters from defense companies appear to be focusing less on mobility and more on overall stealth which suggests they are not really concerned about dog fighting so much as engagements at range.

@Kevin-qj7fp Жыл бұрын

after seeing the pre combat or pre initiation phase of a f22 vs j20 reinforces my belief that trying to see the opponent is very very hard given that trying to see the opponent that is using the trees or mountains is like trying to see a needle pointing at you while hiding behind 500 other needles very hard too see

@slickninjadude9165 Жыл бұрын

I believe the F-35 had an encounter with a J20 a couple weeks ago and from what I heard the U.S. was able to estimate that the J-20 had a much larger radar cross section than the F-35 and f-22. They said it was more similar to and F-16 cross section...

@TheNerdForAllSeasons Жыл бұрын

The Indians routinely joke about how easy it is to see the J-20.

@thedishonoredamerican129 Жыл бұрын

That incident happened way back in March. Sandboxx has a video about it on his channel. Very interesting I think.

@howardman3926 Жыл бұрын

Kind of irrelevant as long as they had specifically ruined the RCS. -22s put things on the jet to lower the RCS to keep it classified

@vaccuumrolls7243 Жыл бұрын

@@howardman3926 The F-22 with luneberg Lens has a lot bigger RCS than an F-16, if it had luneberg lenses on they would be able to tell.

@thomaszhang3101 Жыл бұрын

Not sure where you got the “estimate J-20 RCS” bit from, because among the only things the US public ally said was that they were “relatively impressed with J-20’s professional flying and its kill chain integration with the KJ-500”. Nowhere did they mention all RCS or obtaining anything new about the J-20.

@P_r_o_x_y Жыл бұрын

F-22 would probably see the J-20 through the patriot system data link

@boejiden7093 Жыл бұрын

China might see the same.

@bobjones6154 Жыл бұрын

Yeah that cobra was totally sick. You got skillz sidewinder.

@zackwaffen9210 Жыл бұрын

LOL that was nuts man what the hell, would have liked to seen a cockpit view of that cobra

@debbiestimac5175 Жыл бұрын

8:20 was one of the best visuals I've seen come out of a sim. Well done Growling, well done indeed. One thing to talk about concerning the J-20 and flying stealth reliant profiles in general, is the importance of the frontal area/cross section of the jet. It's why they copied the front view, looking at the Raptor from head on, the J-20 copied the entire area forward of the wing root, inlets, sculpted the nose as an exact copy, etc. Like how the Russians copied the B-29 to make the TU-4, kind of copying. Why? They knew it was the most important part of stealth operations, penetrating the airspace, nose hot on the target area. It's why the Raptor drivers are some of the most intelligent and calm pilots in the cadre. They use small inputs and measured maneuvering, so that they are presenting that tiny frontal radar signature profile, to the sensors ahead. No quick aileron rolls, rapid pitch ups, or even coordinated turns. Slips and slides, while threading the threat needle through the threat envelopes of the weapon systems that are radiating or known via datalink and just "listening" so to speak. The jet was tuned in the BAF, at Edwards and all of it's sensors and systems for penetration, concentrated on maintaining that frontal profile being maintained as long as possible to the threat/s. Violent maneuvering while relying on stealth not to be detected/locked... isn't how Raptor was intended to be operated. That capability, what you showed at 8:20 is for when you have visual/busted by bad guys. A black hole in the radar spectrum only works if you keep the shiny side up as much as possible, especially since the RWR and other seriously important sensors are positioned along the lateral line of the jet, as you well know. Keep up the great work buddy!

@timbaskett6299 Жыл бұрын

I should tag you in on one of my most recent glider designs, on IG. With your knowledge of energy states, and turn rate, I'd like your opinion. That being said, it most certainly isn't a stealth design. At least not in its current configuration. Any chance of an F-35 vs. J-20 video?

@yoamal1187 Жыл бұрын

He plays dcs world, he isn't a real pilot. you probably shouldn't take advice from him

@pixel6173 Жыл бұрын

he only knows how to play each aircraft to their strength. I'm not sure he also knows which exact airfoil design gives best performance for certain speeds and weights.

@mitchoconnell6944 9 ай бұрын

That cobra looked beautiful great cinematography!

@DerredmaxTRIAX Жыл бұрын

That cobra was perfect, Well done!!

@deltaforceshuttles3749 Жыл бұрын

To say that Cunards aren’t stealthy would also mean rear stabilisers aren’t stealthy on the f 22 unless the engagement is mainly forward facing which would probably obscure them

@whirlwindeddie2124 Жыл бұрын

That freaking Cobra, Jesus freaking Christ, I’m in love again❤❤❤

@Patrick-zr8tv Жыл бұрын

I really want to see that cobra from the cockpit. That would be an awesome perspective.

@MrChaosProf Жыл бұрын

Really liked that you spiced things up with the SAM sites.

@thepaisleyproject Жыл бұрын

Look at the mig 1.44, it has a lot of similarities in design. With a little f35 thrown in

@MrGriff305 Жыл бұрын

According to this, the F-35 would've died at least once. 🤦‍♂️

@TK199999 9 ай бұрын

Canards increase a planes RCS from the sides, above and below. Since the both J-20A and B do not have gun for air to air combat. Its pretty much confirmed that they are missile trucks meant to target enemies at range and head on. They are expected to fire all their BVR missiles and then return to base to rearm and do it again. With their short range IR missiles there in case they are jumped or intercepted after firing the BVR missiles. But the J-20 is not meant to for close in fights, so it makes sense they only need stealth head on and from the rear.