still wondering how a record producer became a defense analyst

@@Mianhe by lying a lot

@@Mianhe sound like you know what you're talking about and say what gets people riled up

Tobe faire he said that in 2011

@@Vulcain-we5tw Still wrong

merlingt1 This is Air Show after all. What was the reason for that pregnant hippo to just take off and landing.

Al K kek, you're either russian, or one of those guys from the Boeing Department who lost against the YF-35.

WHY DONT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS?! Literally people arguing over this airplane and this airplane, and these demo's mean absolute shit. They are demo's, and if you think you see everything this monster is capable of, you're a fucking idiot.

Evidently you didn’t grasp the stability controls on these maneuvers and how many 4th generations would crash attempting the same things.

@@Slimzyjoe True we will really only know which aircraft will win if they actually fight.

F 35A ,rafale M, su 34 and j 20 are all very comparable turning agile birds but f 35 has complete sensor dominance... plus stealth

Aren't there only like 3 SU-57's even in existence?

I was a u s missile tech and this plane will be shot down more than believable in a real war with russia. you should consult someone who has knowledge about this planes systems and also is not biased in one way or another. This plane performs poorly. AND IT IS FAR TOO EXPENSIVE !!!!!!!!! I would add a few more lines but you get the point.

Came here today after listening to the Fighter Pilot Podcast, he was the guest (circa 2021) and was chatting up this show. Good eye there sir.

@@gdlonborg yup. Listened to him talking about designing this display on the Afterburn podcast. He wanted to shut the ney sayers up.

@@louissanderson719 cool!

Good enough... look at all the Su 27family of fighters...including Su30/33 and the most recent Su-35 etc... do cobra movement at air show seems so cool. in real war had proven almost mostly useless....when against western nation fighters and planes .

And limited to 7Gs

woon.... when the real war starts then the voice will submit, but for now shut up.... your new planes are only good to kill innocent people

Benjamin Huang. A model rated at 9g.

Benjamin Huang It is software limited to 7 Gs until block 3I

And this is a 7G limited one! 9G's are even harder turning!

It crashed near south carolina..lol

This is why F-35 outmaneuves Sukhois: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rclloNJinbnMenU.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y9mWZKtqmaypfXk.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jrlpoqWnnM--hIE.html

Lol priceless

Exactly 😂

Evidently the capabilities were lost on you.

A combat plane today has to be much more agile than WWI for they have to evade missiles. This flying brick can't outmanoeuvre a weather balloon! bwahahaha!

Putin ReReloaded nice b8 m8

yes, PLA and china lovers think like that. wkwkwkwk

US military brass are very well prepared to fight WWII, but life shows, that every war moves military technology very unexpected ways. F35 design philosophy repeats American design philosophy of F-4, before Vietnam war American generals pronounced that dog fighting is over and supersonic speed is the king. USA paid heavy price loosing thousands of airplanes due to AAA and SAM.

how does one "dodge" a missile going mach 2 and can do 100G turns?

Yeah no fuel and weapons makes it easy

Augmented control services... very clever - the Raptor was probably the first aircraft who had this type of flight control system - but you would not really realize, because of its thrust vectoring. The F-35 shows off what you can do in the Digital age just with computer aided flight controls.

@@Dominikmj Hornets can do this. Its been around longer then you think. Its called a J Turn.

That 360 degree turn was very fast despite the 7g limitation. When the aircraft can hit 9g, the performance will be eye watering.

TeaSipper this guy gets it.

What control? Go watch the Su35 at Maks, then you can talk about control ...

Of course they will. Because they are poorly informed haters.

Robert Brockway it stays really expensive.....

Well the currently available Tranche (IIIa) in the Eurofighter Typhoon line up is actually more expensive per plane than the F-35A is. The IIIa is currently 100 million US dollars per unit. The F-35A, once it goes into full production will be 85 million. Even today in LRIP (schedule 10), they are "only" 94.6 million.

D. Brandtair WRONG, less than most other fighter. You are just being ignorant on price of F-35.

Robert Brockway nope i didn't say that others aren't really expensive.

I too would call something that will happen in at least a minimum of a century later “numbered” are you seriously thinking anti gravity spheres with laser weapons would come anytime in the next 10 years? Wake up from your fever dream pal

@@insertdeadmemehere9397 Have you been living under a rock? The vehicles are already here. Will we see them at air shows? Probably not for at least 25 years? Lasers? Probably MASERs, gravity beam weapons, and/or neutral particle beam weapons, all of which have been built and tested.

@@LostAnFound I know laser weapons exist and work against aircraft but all that gravity bs? You are saying that they would be able to manipulate or turn off gravity and fly at incredible speeds in the near future. I’m not sure how that would work but it probably happens on an atomic scale sometimes. If that’s the case, do u think it will take less than half a century to scale up to our macro world and work effectively?

@@insertdeadmemehere9397 Yes, that is what I’m saying. Read the book, Hunt for Zero Point by Nick Cook (former Jane’s Defence contributor and weapons expert). Or, read Hal Puthoff’s paper on spacetime metric engineering here: arxiv.org/pdf/1204.2184.pdf Or Read this paper, The Impulse Generator, by Evgeny Podklentov: pdfs.semanticscholar.org/70b6/0cf306a162fe4273b71d057a3a141bdec280.pdf . . . the same man whose spinning, ceramic, superconducting disk experiments were successfully in reducing gravity: www.wired.com/1998/03/antigravity/ They were ready to formally publish this finding, and it had been featured in many popular periodicals, but suddenly, for some reason, he and his Dutch co-researchers retracted the submission. There is a lot more out there too, if you just look up the science. Try researching high frequency gravitational wave generators by beginning with this patent that the USPTO awarded to a supposed Salvatore Cesar Pais (I’m not sold on the name being real) and assigned to the US Secretary of the Navy: patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en

@@insertdeadmemehere9397 Here’s a list of BS being developed by the Navy. It’s really special BS because the Secretary of the Navy had to offer up the fact that these patents are not just theoretical, but actually being demonstrated with test articles. He added that the importance of the Navy owning these patents (publicly) was of increasing importance because of same-area advancements by China and presumably Russia. You don’t wanna have to pay Bejing to build your own flying saucer / Tic-Tac: patents.google.com/?inventor=Salvatore+Cezar+Pais

Basically none. It's fuselage generates more than 30 percent of its lift. It's doing manouvres that aircraft with thrust vectoring are doing. Bear in mind it's still limited to 7gs still later in the year, so it'll be able to push even harder once it's opened to 9g's in the coming months.

Angezerus Um this test was carried out under full payload more or less. Unlike all other airshows it was not trimmed down to enhance performance.

Mark Lol what? :D I am pretty sure it did not carry jdams, sidewinders, ammo for the gun and it did not have full fuel onboard.. I seriously doubt that aircrafts on show are allowed to carry any armament. I am not sure where did you get that idea..

​@@604WOLVERINE It wasn't. It's really easy to tell it wasn't done at full payload. At it's true full payload of 8,100 kilograms, it has to carry equipment externally.

By the way, the weakness of a system is the weak link in the system. The electronic is very fine, top of the art, undeniably, when... It works!, but can be jamed. And the plane, itself, is an iron. This system is too predictable. Don't worry. This plane will just do the job of an A10 or a F16 against poor or non existent air force, but for a very big amount of $. America best of the best, Sir! hahahahahaaaa !

Lol Su-35 vs F-35 is like waving a knife at a gunfight. Su will be quickly killed >99% probability

Beautiful? Really?

+MrSoulPatrol Yeah, maybe these newer aircraft with the necessary internal weapons stores will grow on me, but so far they look like fat turds. Especially compared to the razor sharp F-16.

Jason Edward the f35 can literally fly straight and level and the pilot can fly undetected towards an enemy and turn his head to fire the extremely high off boresight aim9x in any direction. It has no need to “point its nose” at enemy fighters as it can fire in any direction. If another fighter gets its nose pointed at the f35 he wont be able to get a radar lock and the f35 can still fire at them even if they are behind it. Even with all this the engineers have taken the handicap out of the fly by wire system allowing its all individually moving flight surfaces to give it extreme maneuverability and they now allow it to make 9g turns. This is helpful because the f35 has no need to get into a tangle of trying to point his nose but instead use this maneuverability to take the much easier position of flying defensive for just the time it takes to look around through the aircraft, find the target, and then fire an aim 9x in any direction regardless of where they are. Deadly.

It was a low speed demo 😂

Agile? Old Panavia Tornado is way more agile :D

But is more agile at low speeds than an Tornado in my view .

Uh, no. Not even close.

1Young99Man0 it's because the pilots are getting use to how it flys

1Young99Man0 F-22 is banned in Paris Air Show, MAKS - Moscow Air show, and Aero India.

If this were 1973 everything you said would be correct. This fighter is not a fighter. It is a sensor shooter. If you;'re thinking in terms of fighter aircraft you're already behind what's going on out there. So many point you made are outdated thinking in the modern battle space. Often a new piece of hardware won't be as good as the tried and true hardware you have in place that has been refined by years of improvements. Just because muzzle loaders are tried and true and cheaper, doesn't mean that automatic machine gun shouldn't have been fielded. The F-35 and JSF are different things. They may look that same, but the F-35 is a better aircraft than what the JSF project tested out to be. As much a difference comparing the YF-17 to the F/A-18 It doesn't turn like a dog. It has alpha performance better than the legacy planes. The one thing you haven't mentioned is the information acquisition, interpretation and dissemination this thing has. That's what this plane is. It's like you took the E-8 Joint Stars, P-8 Posiedon and the E-3 Sentry and put it into a fighter-like platform, and made it easy to deseminate all that data to the rest the fleet in real time. It a sensor node with the ability to shoot. F-117 was shot down because the bomb bay door were open. That's true with all "stealth" jets.Stealth doesn't mean invisible. It only means reduced detection. There is no way to hide an airplane unless you get some Romulan cloaking device like in Star Trek. 1.6 Mach is all they need right now. Besides the F-35 can supercruise. Though it wasn't designed for supercruise the shape and engine combo has proven this to be a suprecruising aircraft. That means more fuel to fight. You can't run at 2.0 Mach all day. You 15 minutes of flighttime at those speeds. That's a joke. You're right there are lots of problems with this plane. Have the time they cant get the thing to start up. Show me any new platform that didn't have massive problems at the first. Costs have come down to about 80 million per plane. That figure is old, dude.

Old comment, I know, but certainly _possible_ that the A or C variant could incorporate thrust vectoring with a new engine design. The B variant, most likely not, since it already has a specific thrust vectoring design for vertical flight. However, the specific advantage of thrust vectoring is chiefly to enable supermaneuverability, which is certainly useful in a dogfight, but less useful for other operations, and the F-35 was not designed with dogfighting in mind (that is for the F-22), so how valuable it would really be to the F-35 is probably marginal; it wouldn't necessarily hurt it, but it wouldn't offer enough of an advantage to justify the additional cost for the engines and complexity of the software. Where thrust vectoring would be supremely useful, however, would in an aircraft that had no ailerons, no flaperons, no rudders, and no stabilizers; two engines with software that could manage asymmetrical thrust vectoring and no control surfaces could, in theory, make up the shape of the stealthiest aircraft possible. Would that offer a significant enough advantage over current generation low observable aircraft? Probably not. But it would be pretty cool.

Guns been working since 2015, but thanks for stopping by..

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Izno Iznogoud what tests? No link or source =full of shit. You just making stuff up

Izno Iznogoud More spurious comments with no links. Yea, we understand. Despite your presumption of ascendancy. You should not be surprised if people ask for links or sources to back up your absurd claims.

Don't be daft. The Typhoon and Rafales radar are seeing the Luneburg lenses that must be attached to the fuselage of the F35 & Raptors every time these planes train together. Claims they are seeing the planes themselves is disingenuous. Even the most basic internet search will explain this. In the Rafales gun camera footage You can actually see these Luneburg lenses. If You want to delude yourself in to actually believing this is analogous to getting a radar lock on the F35 or Raptor. Be my guest. You are right the F35 is looking promising.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sM18nbGkp8XMqYE.html

"Rafale doesn't give a fuck about using radars" ...LOL. Good luck banning F35 from NATO/EU members. The UK, Canada, Denmark, Norway, Italy, Turkey, Australia and the Netherlands might have something to say about that. Not to mention S.Korea and Japan are NATO& EU allies. How many countries are buying Rafales? 3?

elpais.com/elpais/2017/06/05/inenglish/1496652196_078384.amp.html Totally forgot Spain another NATO & EU Country wants the F35. More countries in the EU want the F35 than Rafales. Good luck wit that ban.

That one is a blast!!

Lol yea lets watch more sukhois kill the crowd

the cow in the sky

Klim Samgin your mom is a cow on the land. Mmmm hmmm.

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Да лошки забугорные скушают. Не додумаются посмотреть наши пролеты и шоу)))

@@dinastylock истребител - это не пилотажный самолет- вы заметили на сирийско-турецкой границе :)

Izno Iznogoud No, it wasn’t. Case closed.

StigmADiabolicuM not exactly a graceful exhibition. I have a feeling that partner nations will be cutting their orders significantly. you certainly can't just believe what the USAF and Lockheed say about the aircraft, kill ratios, etc.. no air force pilot would dare criticize the airplane while serving, but once experts and foreign pilots start talking, it's going to be a firestorm.

Beside being "stealth" and have optimal electronics for usaf only all else has been down point for this plane

Jt Williams1 - Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll order 30 year old technology from Russia. But then they'd still need to retrofit them with Western avionics and engines, so don't get your hopes up.

Its nothing strange that some1 orders planes from 1 country and electronics from other and i never heard that something is wrong with russian engines after all f35 has yak-141s engine ;)

StigmADiabolicuM - You live in world constructed entirely in your imagination.

bob smith Can you fly it?

True

Haha. =) You´re ironic right?

Well, it does fly though a weather balloon is more agile.

Putin ReReloaded: Your weak rhetoric does you no credit.

No need for rhetoric, this flying brick speaks for itself. By the way, did the pilot sruvive the flight? LOL

Putin ReReloaded: And still you do not learn. Pity. Or a troll, maybe.

Your helpless whining is actually teaching me something.