F/A-18C Hornet vs F-16C Viper Rematch! Real Fighter Pilots Play DCS

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Gonky (former US Navy F/A-18 Pilot) flies the F/A-18C against Mover (former Air Force F-16 Pilot) in the F-16C using DCS World. Watch Gonky's video: • F/A-18 vs F-16 Gonky a...
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F-16 vs F/A-18 0:00
Takeoff 0:28
Set 1 6:13
Second Takeoff 9:29
Set 2 10:49
Set 2 External Replay 13:01
Set 3 14:20
Set 3 External Replay 16:50
Set 4 19:00
Set 4 External Replay 20:10
Set 5 20:55
Set 5 External Replay 22:50
Set 6A 24:53
Set 6B 26:08
Set 6B External Replay 28:00
Closing Thoughts 29:32
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@CWLemoine Жыл бұрын

Watch Gonky's side of things: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a86XiJOG3quzo6s.html

@AlbaAdventures Жыл бұрын

Will do after!

@Thunderer0872 Жыл бұрын

Hi CW so as of this weekend 20/21 May an F18 Crashed in Spain Pilot ejected last minute okay, also Ukraine to get F16's will you do anything on this soon?

@djanitatiana Жыл бұрын

CW, F16s are go for Ukraine and the call is out for veteran pilots and crew to lend a hand while the excellent Ukrainian pilots get up to speed. Going to get involved?

@CWLemoine Жыл бұрын

No.

@Topper_Harley68 11 ай бұрын

@@CWLemoine How much easier is it to spot another aircraft in real life compared to the game?

@roostman7841 Жыл бұрын

the fact we get to watch real fighter pilots run a game we can all play is brilliant!!!!

@andreim841 Жыл бұрын

Not really, remember that they will not act like in a real scenario since they don't want to give away too much ;)

@spiff1003 Жыл бұрын

@@andreim841 BVR, then maybe... In WVR/BFM, I don't think they are worried about revealing anything. However, this is just playful anyway.

@koc988 Жыл бұрын

@@andreim841 They're both like a decade out of practice.

@toxickilljoy9037 Жыл бұрын

@Andrei M dude at this point they're just trying to remember that much... you try reading a handbook and practice for a while and see how much you retain after 6 years lol

@manbaby__8901 Жыл бұрын

@@andreim841 your acting like we don't pretty much know everything there is to know about the planes and the maneuvers they can do im sure theres a few things they know and cant do but i cant imagine its much.

@longiron3773 Жыл бұрын

How fast they both recognize a losing que, and how quickly they switch their game is amazing. Win or lose, we all learn something.

@h.m.5924 Жыл бұрын

"What state is Creech in?!" "Nevada." "What town?!" ......"Creech". Had me fucking DYING.

@alexatron6057 Ай бұрын

me too 😂

@takeoffwithjakesoft Жыл бұрын

I'll check out the debrief, but I think Gonky's biggest disadvantage was not having his own rig tuned to his liking. Factors that only matter in the sim were blocking his IRL skills from fully showing though.

@squid11160 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, lack of muscle memory. Would love to see Gonky practiced

@Mthammere2010 2 ай бұрын

Hornet, lost to Falcons in every setting, in every form in real life. It's only befitting the same transpires here.

@PluckyUnderdog Жыл бұрын

That was very, very enjoyable. I like getting your perspective on the Viper, dude. It's encouraging to know that you think it's improving.

@Marcin79W Жыл бұрын

LOL - "This is exactly realistic, sitting here, waiting..." - made my day!

@WasabiSniffer Жыл бұрын

“Who’s up there?” “Cougar and Merlin, and Mover and Gonky.” “Great, Mover and Gonky.”

@anieezeusgaming5628 Жыл бұрын

Gonky & Mover! Best combo i've ever had

@apogee28 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video, Mover. Really enjoy your DCS content. Hope you're able to spend more time in the Viper and show us how it's done. BZ to Gonky for flying and being a good sport. Class act in the Hornet.

@liberalconservative7122 Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Some Navy Tomcat back seater is doing training videos for the DCS Tomcat. Talks about cornering speed etc. Not sure how much of that is open source in the Viper but it could make for some cool videos!

@BobSmith-mu5kg Жыл бұрын

Super fun. As cool as it would be for Gonky to square away his tech issues and have a legit fight with you, the issues are a source of great laughs. Thanks guys.

@yacobz Жыл бұрын

Yeah feel you on the tech issues part. Feels kind of unfair posting it to be honest.

@woolymittens Жыл бұрын

That was good fun! I really felt for Gonky, I know the feeling all too well when you are constantly over-controlling or lagging because the controls don't respond the way you expect.

@Delatta1961 7 ай бұрын

Gonkey’s new name should be “Target”. If anyone wonders, in real debriefings, they can be brutal and very humbling. The number one rule in debriefings is be honest. When it’s your time to speak, confess every little thing that 1. Worked and had a positive effect on the mission, 2. Everything that didn’t work, every mistake (no matter how small) that you were responsible for, 3. Only then discusses the positives and negatives you observed of others. If you omit anything, it’s a guarantee someone will call you out. No egos, no ranks, just brutal honesty. Finally, everything is left in the debrief, never taken outside the room. It’s unprofessional to do so. It’s the only way we learn

@PeteVA-212 Жыл бұрын

Mover, first, loved the video and your interaction with Gonky. Watched the Gonky' video also. You guys entertain an old Naval Aviator. A-4s Forever!

@osuna3525 Жыл бұрын

This was great!!! Lookin foward to Gonky learning the DCS universe, I want to see both you guys absolutely _TUNED UP_ and smashing wind!

@thirdimpact172 Жыл бұрын

yeah i kind of had the opposite effect as you guys, i had around 200 vr sim hours before i flew my first real flight in a Cessna, at first i was staring at the gauges because that was all i knew how to do, but now i get way more information by just looking out the window and checking my slip and just feeling the plane, flying by the seat of your pants is very real

@KinjiLeslie Жыл бұрын

Being able to enjoy this from both Gonky's stream and yours is truly a treat. Thank you so much!

@Fox3Hammy Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the server man!

@Zer0C00lness Жыл бұрын

Great video Mover. I watched Gonky's video as well. Very cool to present it from both sides.

@Terpenesteve Жыл бұрын

Loved this video Lemoine! Currently, I have 482hrs behind a Viper in DCS, and I have loved them all! Loved the low power takeoff at the start, really explains the guzzling power of the Viper lol. I will never be a Pilot with my Spinal Condition, but DCS has allowed me to at least partially live my dreams in the sky. I love the community and all the people in DCS. Adding VR,and Face-tracker to my gear was one of the best choices ever. Again, Awesome video as always brother!!!! Viper vs. Hornet is an awesome match!..both are beautiful pieces of Art,and two of my favorite Jets 💟 p.s I have no idea why you weren't able to go above 12k feet? I'm more than able to get into the 35K+ range without a sweat...gotta be settings or something with your gear?

@CWLemoine Жыл бұрын

Glad you're able to enjoy DCS! We went above 12k. I mentioned I couldn't go over the top. It did it but it was very sluggish. I think it was a drag/possible controls issue. Seemed better in later sets.

@TheitaniofRome Жыл бұрын

Have you tried BMS? Of so how does the viper feel compared to dcs?

@gregorymceaddy8884 Жыл бұрын

Good to see you guys have some fun..thanks for your service...

@the88tench3 Жыл бұрын

That was a really good video! I guess there will be a round 3 at some point! As for the difference between flight sims and real flying you're definitely right, I went gliding for the first time last weekend (which was great fun, definitely trying it again) and the amount of feedback you can feel like hitting gusts of wind or feeling the aircraft climb doesn't even compare to sims with the real thing as you just don't get it when flying on a PC! Its a completely different experience for sure, and a real eye opener for someone who's only ever done flight simming and never been at the controls of a real aircraft until last weekend!

@wyskass861 10 ай бұрын

That's true but comparing gliders and fighters are primarily reliant on physical feel. Flying an IFR airliner would probably be much less different.

@skippy1110 Жыл бұрын

Awesome stuff Mover and Gonky, loved to hear that you guys were having fun and not taking this stuff so seriously, DCS is a great game "Flight Sim" and should be about having a laugh and enjoying yourself.

@TheWeekendflyer Жыл бұрын

you are both legends! thankyou for your service guys

@JBSmoke1 Жыл бұрын

Mover, Gonky - Great video! It was great to see you two having a good goof on DCS. I had a boss that knew I was a Private Pilot, and he told me that his MS sim experience makes him as good as me or better. My retort was that your pink body is strapped into a REAL airplane and there is no pause or rebooting - you just die if you screw up.

@JGreen-le8xx Жыл бұрын

Was your boss mentally challenged? Real world experience beats sim anyday.

@JBSmoke1 Жыл бұрын

@@JGreen-le8xx He was a legend in his own mind

@laurencedawson7754 Жыл бұрын

😂 sim is great practice when you can't get the real thing! Having said that, a good few years I went on my first trip to the nurburgring- I "drove" hundreds of laps on gran turismo 4 on the ps before going. I did a sub 10.min lap on my first lap......of course I already knew the car very well and was an experienced Track driver.....but you get great learning

@RageQvist Жыл бұрын

Amazing content! Would love to see some more gameplay from DCS with Gonky!

@Garythefireman66 Жыл бұрын

Great to see both of you back on DCS 👍🏻

@jsaludes1 Жыл бұрын

Watching you two play together is fun, it's just fun.

@Marcin79W Жыл бұрын

An amazing episode. Great final thoughts. Thank you!

@HypePerformanceGroup Жыл бұрын

Love these so much, please never stop making DCS content!

@SammyTheDitchDoctor Жыл бұрын

That was fun to watch. Thanks Mover and Gonky!!

@fightingfalconfan Жыл бұрын

I will always love watching Mover and Gonky. Their banter cracks me up laughing. I would also never ask them to break laws and reveal any kind of classified tactic they may still posses. I definitely don't want our enemy's to get that and use it against our current front line fighter pilots.

@threenineline1 Жыл бұрын

Oh man this was awesome to watch! Great video mover. Hope you guys dogfight, not only against, but with eachother in future videos, that would be awesome!

@ronneidert Жыл бұрын

Great video Mover! I have zero time in a fighter jet, so I can only imagine how disconnected it must feel to ’fly’ in a chair. That said, it was a lot of fun to watch and laugh at your interactions over the radio!

@theshawnmccown Жыл бұрын

Most of us get what you're saying about feeling physical forces. Just driving my car through some curvy roads and knowing how my car feels physically going through those various turns makes me feel impaired when sim racing. It's almost like we're one with our vehicles when we use them in real life while in sims it's using whatever visually and virtual feedback we can to figure it out.

@Jess_star123 Жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed that! You guys are great entertainers. :)

@BirdstrikeJack Жыл бұрын

many good points stated here. very responsible and mature views on the sim too. procedural learning, true, the real thing is way more sense triggering action and what most valuable dcs can get out is the real feel comparison to simulated from pros. i hope your remarks will reach developers and further improve certain aspects of sim. great job for stroking the fun part thus easing out in comfort zone that gives back opportunity to make mistakes and correct them on time unpunished. godspeed.

@AlexKall Жыл бұрын

This was an awesome video, thanks for this!

@luisangelperez9469 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely loved it 😂😂❤❤❤ laughed my way through, big fan of these.

@airshowguy916 11 ай бұрын

Love the video. Thanks for sharing. :)

@Fox3-Luck Жыл бұрын

Great Vid!

@CWLemoine Жыл бұрын

Thanks for helping us out!

@seph7450 Жыл бұрын

Happy to see more DCS content from you two! Seems like the Viper got a little bit of love. Will we get more ZR1 content?

@AndrewMcFarlane_1 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely love these videos!!!

@arynnd20 Жыл бұрын

Love watching you guys fly this stuff, realistic or not its entertaining and fascinating

@captainicelander3898 Жыл бұрын

One of the best contents Mover! I couldnt stop laughing while watching this. Im sure i had same good time as you two just watching this! Have a good one, and cheers to Gonky! Keep rockin'! 🙂

@stonelaughter Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate your comments at the end about "feeling" the vehicle you're in. I've NEVER been any good at race car games simply because I can't FEEL the car around me... I'm a pretty good, pretty fast driver in an ACTUAL CAR... but on a computer game I'm worse than a rank beginner in their first jalopy. I also have some familiarity with flying... and you're absolutely right 100%.

@MitjaBonca Жыл бұрын

that's because u lack of practicing... keep on repeating for years, and you will get there.. being a racing driver is way different then just being a driver.

@Darko7 11 ай бұрын

Awesome video!

@AlbaAdventures Жыл бұрын

HAHA.. Friday night entertainment. This whole thing is HILARIOUS!

@victorm316 Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to watch this. C.W., Are you ready for the new F15 strike eagle. Should be here very shortly.

@CWLemoine Жыл бұрын

World's greatest passenger jet.

@varzat6416 Жыл бұрын

@@CWLemoine A true viper pilot response

@victorm316 Жыл бұрын

@C.W. Lemoine lmao. Great response.

@deanwilliams433 Жыл бұрын

Incredible air to ground plane. 15 JDAM's on a single trip is no joke.

@Plexi417 Жыл бұрын

@@CWLemoine 😂

@strikeeagleband Жыл бұрын

Haha, you guys always crack me up. Fantastic work, chaps

@6XENO9 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mover, I had great laugh watching you two goofing around :) I hope you've both had as much a great time as me watching. Could somebody get Gony a flying rig? It would be cool if he could use some more stick time without leaving home .... Also 1v1 against Wombat when :D IIRC he was even offered TM gear to get into simming. That'd be great too if he could join you guys in virtual sky. Best regards. P.S.You couldn't be court martialled from virtual navy (unless said navy flies Vipers) :D

@privateer454 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Mover for the "Where'd who go?" reference. After the first "Where'd he go?" I was waiting for it and you did not disappoint.

@Juanon1978 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the fun, Mover and Gonky. Much appreciated!

@donszabo7558 Жыл бұрын

Really good explanation of sim vs reality at the end Mover and look forward to the debrief

@Corsair37 Жыл бұрын

The banter between you two was absolutely hilarious :)

@MC.4 Жыл бұрын

Gonky sounded like a drunk 24 year old girl looking for her friend. "Mover , where are you?"

@aries144 Жыл бұрын

I can relate this to live fire firearm training vs a good tactical first person shooter: They have things in common, but the replacement of "feel" with some sort of controller or visual/audio analog in the game requires you to develop new muscle memory just for the game. Once you get the "game muscle memory" to a similar level to what you had doing it for real, then you can play around and enjoy the more mental aspects of the game that are close to reality. i.e. angles are the same, movement times are similar, ballistics and difficulty of engagements at specific ranges are close, communication, coordination, and navigation are similar, etc.

@ZeraStargazer Жыл бұрын

Having driven through Indian Springs several times IRL. The level of detail for the base and the town is astounding!

@thefruitbat111 Жыл бұрын

Ignore any haters, love watching you and Gonky having fun in DCS!

@anthony7697 Жыл бұрын

"This thing decelerates so fast it's ridiculous" - Gonky reminding me of every time I swap back to playing the A-4 in Warthunder.

@Templar7832 Жыл бұрын

This is great! Superb video! Can't believe Gonky kept going straight up lol fatal in a Hornet!

@CWLemoine Жыл бұрын

Go up to blow up!

@Templar7832 Жыл бұрын

@@CWLemoine Damn straight! When I was having hassle learning ACM and stuff an actual F-15E pilot (Crow) told me to go straight up! I lasted 20 seconds I think LOL Get em low and slow that's how you beat them!!

@nathanchristensen824 Жыл бұрын

This was fun! Thanks!

@ardyzink7928 Жыл бұрын

If you haven't already told Gonky, Creech is a satellite base for Nellis that's usually jammed with UAV's as it's a training facility for them. Also a good checkpoint for a flight to Groom Lake from Nellis. At least that's what Major X the UFO driver told me. Good stuff. Would love to see you 2 in some WW1 bipes going after each other with pistols when your guns jam over the front.

@mustezdcs6329 Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂 laughed so many times , your feed backs are amazing !

@cogwap359 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mover and Gonky. Fascinating

@aljazjeram1071 Жыл бұрын

You should collab with the growling sidewinder

@soupson3 Жыл бұрын

Awesome content, Mover! When’s the next DCS Folds of Honor tournament? Love rewatching the old ones

@OmegaMinxComp Жыл бұрын

Great video !!!

@TomP-148 Жыл бұрын

As always love the bromance

@VictorPanainte Жыл бұрын

Amazing share big thanks

@TaterRogers Жыл бұрын

This was great! When I was at Nellis our Aggressors (Vipers) really kicked butt at red flag. It made everyone better in the end but that Viper is just built for dogfighting. All of our pilots had crazy neck muscles!

@wraith444 Жыл бұрын

I've been playing flight sims since I was in high school but didn't get any first real flight time until my mid 20s, and I had pretty much the opposite problem as Gonky; I had all this time and experience flying with zero physical feedback and the millisecond I felt a little turbulence for the first time it's like it all went out the window and I felt like a scared kid just holding on for the ride. Once I adapted I can comfortably say the time in the sim definitely helped me understand the what and how of the plane's behavior, but really at the end of the day it's no exaggeration to say that playing a sim and flying a plane are different skills that happen to have some overlap. It's like driving a car vs a go-cart, a little similar on the surface but really learning to drive one won't necessarily teach you to drive the other.

@a2b3c 11 ай бұрын

F/A-18 - still my favorite module by far in DCS (it can do everything literally, ground-attack, dogfight and intercept, carriermissions/landings) its so versatile, i don't regret a penny i invested in this...

@eldridgefelder3427 Жыл бұрын

So glad to hear from a real pilot's perspective on the pylons and weapon drag issue. I've complained before that the drag from pylons is exaggerated in DCS, and now I have real pilots to back that up.

@ericshue2376 Жыл бұрын

You guys are professionals and awesome

@paladin276 Жыл бұрын

Hope I can catch you guys on DCS sometime! I'm a pretty rookie Hornet pilot there myself but I'm learning!

@alexcain9648 11 ай бұрын

This might be my favorite video, ever.

@Forscythe80 Жыл бұрын

DCS pilots aren’t being affected by the immense pressures of higher g-forces. Real fighter pilots have got that background knowledge that if they fuck up they don’t get a round 2. Movers right there’s just no comparison between actual jets vs computer jets.

@RoaringAnaconda Жыл бұрын

Love the vids! Tuen down the "world" audio so the external sound isnt so piercing. Its set super high by default haha.

@rodrigju Жыл бұрын

I know what Gonky's problem was. He forgot to hit the brakes.

@CWLemoine Жыл бұрын

He tried, but I think it resulted in a departure from controlled flight. 😂

@rodrigju Жыл бұрын

@@CWLemoine 🤣

@rodrigju Жыл бұрын

This was great though. Thank you for the entertainment. Hope all is well.

@Jasonmoofang Жыл бұрын

Mover thank you for making these. Want to join the chorus letting you know how much these are liked and appreciated. Can't wait for all the follow up videos to this as well!

@bryanblake5358 Жыл бұрын

Personally, I loved it as you can tell Gonky was still learning. I bet he gets better and then it will be better. But , it was a good laugh and enjoyable to watch.

@jamisonjamisonx Жыл бұрын

I'm blown away by your humility. You all have zero to prove in a game. You've done this seriously high skill thing in real life at the highest level with the highest stakes and you have real call signs for being and doing the real thing. My hat is off to you sirs...gamers will only ever dream (poorly) of your actual experiences.

@jeffanderson6136 Жыл бұрын

Creech formerly Indian Springs. Where the four thunderbirds crashed in 82. Sad day at Nellis.

@toolmakerdave5287 Жыл бұрын

huh. fun, interesting. i like it👍👍 well done

@hawaiianrobot Жыл бұрын

this was a fun video to watch. gonky was a good sport too, he'll get a feel for the f/a-18 in the game too. no doubt it's a bit different to how it felt, you know, actually flying the things in real life.

@braedynhoward3644 Жыл бұрын

yeah no doubt. After all DCS is a video game, not real life. It's a representation of what some of the real aircraft is like.

@hawaiianrobot Жыл бұрын

@@braedynhoward3644 exactly. like the real guys use sims more for training procedures, not so much the aircraft movement side of things

@braedynhoward3644 Жыл бұрын

@@hawaiianrobot True. My dad flew hornets and now he flies Skyhawks. SIMs are purely for training, taking off, landing, using instruments, navigating, etc. More complex things were practiced in the air, like BFM. DCS however, is a mixture between a SIM and a game. He likes DCS (despite not having a proper setup) and said seems semi realistic, but it's more for the fun of "feeling" like flying an aircraft like F 18, not actually doing it. Basically, it's a dumbed down flight SIM mixed with game mechanics. I think people get the misconception that DCS is literally exactly like real life, it's not really. Just a representation of what real life COULD be similar to. Plus, controls are different, which is why Gonky struggled.

@mvsgas Жыл бұрын

great job

@thegunnylingus4751 8 ай бұрын

That bit in the end was so important... wish more dcs guys understood that.

@themavymavz5797 Жыл бұрын

This is awesome I love it.

@Rich6270 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for notification Mover,going to Gonky,s channel lol❤

@hiratiomasterson4009 Жыл бұрын

Have played only a little DCS, but it is night and day when one plays with a VR helmet and another relies only on a monitor. Only advice is for people is to have a bucket handy when they first try the VR headset: in my case took a bit for my brain to rewire to be able to process the images from my eyes vs the non-events that my inner ear was feeling...and the carpet paid a brutal price...

@dawolfman1973 Жыл бұрын

I love you instinctively use your “hicks” when pulling 9s 😂

@indianajon7980 Жыл бұрын

I love this for the banter alone! 😂 definitely more please although for me personally I would remove the external replies. That is just me though.

@CWLemoine Жыл бұрын

Why?

@indianajon7980 Жыл бұрын

@@CWLemoine I felt that they didn't add much beyond what had already been seen and broke the flow a little. I suppose maybe highlights from an external point of view but I just felt like it was a fair bit of extra work for not alot of return. As for why more...... mainly the banter of you two clearly really enjoying yourselves.

@CWLemoine Жыл бұрын

@@indianajon7980 you’re in the minority. Sorry.

@indianajon7980 Жыл бұрын

@@CWLemoine fine by me. I'm going to watch and enjoy regardless. Thanks

@nathanielvirgil328 Жыл бұрын

Well i was just a helicopter pilot (ah1 cobra I.P) love watching real fix wing guys go at it. Love DCS

@richieismyhero Жыл бұрын

Wow that was awesome

@cnknguyen Жыл бұрын

Your breathing sounded like yall were starting to react to the virtual G's yall were pulling. That was a cool vid.

@CWLemoine Жыл бұрын

More like we both have old man necks. 😂

@cnknguyen Жыл бұрын

@@CWLemoine I wear a flight helmet every single day, sometimes with anvs-6s...i feel that struggle.

@justindoering6042 Жыл бұрын

Creech AFB is in Indian Springs, NV

@JGreen-le8xx Жыл бұрын

" I'M TRYING TO SAVE THE TAX PAYERS SOME MONEY!" 🤣

@icaleinns6233 Жыл бұрын

Man, I figured Gonky had been practicing in secret before this rematch! Oh well, maybe next time!

@Alamandorious Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it was easy to tell Gonky was having issues with the programmed behaviour of the jets, they weren’t responding like their real world equivalents. Would like to see you guys go again after he’s had more of a chance to get used to how the Hornet behaves in DCS, or after they improve it. That all being said, WOO! I knew you’d win, Mover!