Samplerates: the higher the better, right?

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4 жыл бұрын

In this video tutorial, Dan Worrall explains when and why you should use higher samplerates for your recordings and mixing sessions, and more importantly... when you should NOT. Also, Dan goes in depth about oversampling vs. higher sample rates.
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@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 3 жыл бұрын
Georgia Tech Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering in the Digital Signal Processing Technical Interest Group here... This is the first explanation of sampling, aliasing, upsampling/downsampling, antialiasing filters, etc. I've seen/heard, in print or in video, in 20 years that (a) didn't make me cringe at any point, and (b) completely blew me away with how illuminating it was.
@jackallenproductions
@jackallenproductions 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent.
@antoniomonteiro1203
@antoniomonteiro1203 2 жыл бұрын
I can say exactly the same! I have designed and built a DSP guitar amplifier. I have seen a lot of videos and articles that are incorrect and / or misleading. This one is superb!
@jackallenproductions
@jackallenproductions 2 жыл бұрын
@@antoniomonteiro1203 How did you find the process of building that, Antonio? Were there any resources/instructions/information you found particularly helpful? Something I've been thinking about trying my hand at. I'm pretty handy with various projects, but an Amp would be new territory for me and I'm not quite sure where to start.
@antoniomonteiro1203
@antoniomonteiro1203 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackallenproductions There is a lot of information and I believe it is not practical to put it here. How can we communicate by other means?
@pbholmen
@pbholmen 2 жыл бұрын
I've been dabbling into DSP myself, and I'd like some more info about this. I understand the basics of harmonic distortion and I understand what aliasing is. But does this unwanted effect, of reflected frequencies, happen due to processing in the time domain or in the frequency domain? I haven't tried to make a saturation plugin myself, but I'd imagine I would simply limit each sample in the time domain, with a transfer function that compresses the curve towards the extremes, so that a sinusoid would start to approach a square wave. Surely this would add third order harmonic distortion, but wouldn't cause any aliasing, would it? Sure, if I kept on adding odd harmonic sinusoids, and went above nq frequency, then there would be aliasing, but why would I do that? As you sure can tell, I haven't actually done any non-linear processing (coding) myself... :)
@gepmrk
@gepmrk 3 жыл бұрын
"If the song is good and the mix is good, no one will care about a bit of aliasing!" Phew ... sanity is finally restored.
@pjjmsn
@pjjmsn 2 жыл бұрын
Yes the differences were so subtle I don't know if I could pass a blind AB test.
@michaelvenne9386
@michaelvenne9386 2 жыл бұрын
Dude I don't care if the mix sounds good or nah. I just want to be able to brag about having 14 compressor on my vocal track.
@BR_READDY225
@BR_READDY225 5 ай бұрын
@@michaelvenne9386that’s just dumb
@michaelvenne9386
@michaelvenne9386 5 ай бұрын
@@BR_READDY225 yeah.
@tytonproductions9868
@tytonproductions9868 4 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone explains the whole sample rate thing in a way that non-DSP engineers can actually understand. Thank you Dan
@gherbent
@gherbent 3 жыл бұрын
You are not right, some things actually are related to production and music producers to use tools right, among them, your CPU performance limits you to do things right......
@MarcelGavalier
@MarcelGavalier Жыл бұрын
this!
@Gameplayer55055
@Gameplayer55055 4 ай бұрын
Meanwhile a student who is studying DSP algorithms discovers the world of music production (me)
@schlaggattack8607
@schlaggattack8607 4 жыл бұрын
PLEASE Someone has to make a 10 hours version of Dan Worrall saying "However" and "kilo Hertz". I'll need it to fall asleep at night
@alphanumeric1529
@alphanumeric1529 4 жыл бұрын
And that person is you.
@alexovercast3359
@alexovercast3359 4 жыл бұрын
Lol it's funny I'm watching this before turning the light out and going to sleep.
@TheAJKid
@TheAJKid 4 жыл бұрын
Haha. Gold
@lambd01d
@lambd01d 3 жыл бұрын
I fell asleep watching this vid.
@MattWillisMattFWB
@MattWillisMattFWB 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r8eZhpaXmLaRYoE.html ok, its not 10 hours, but hey, Merry Christmas
@LuxElliott
@LuxElliott 4 жыл бұрын
Dan, you're amazing. I would replace Alexa and Siri's voice with yours in a heartbeat.
@bassbuzzmusic6681
@bassbuzzmusic6681 4 жыл бұрын
😃 good idea
@LoveMeBack
@LoveMeBack 4 жыл бұрын
Lux Elliott or my wife’s.....
@syzygyfpv5135
@syzygyfpv5135 4 жыл бұрын
this should happen. I want Dan's voice as an option for Siri.
@joost3783
@joost3783 4 жыл бұрын
Dude me2 - and imagine they would give you so much well articulated and informed information
@kevinlong4657
@kevinlong4657 4 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMeBack that cracked me up thanks
@roberthunt1540
@roberthunt1540 4 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to grasp this sample rate stuff for years. And along comes Dan. I'm not sure anyone could possibly do a better job of teaching this. Color me awestruck. I finally get it! And if I can get it, anyone can!
@xnoreq
@xnoreq 4 жыл бұрын
Then you mustn't have tried. There are tons of resources on the basics of digital signal processing. There have even been great introductory videos for people that cannot read, like xiph's "Digital Show & Tell" published in 2013.
@happylittlesynth
@happylittlesynth 4 жыл бұрын
@@xnoreq no need to rain on his positivity dude....he's just a happy camper!
@fantasyproduct1042
@fantasyproduct1042 4 жыл бұрын
@@xnoreq oooh aren't you the clever girl
@Whanworld
@Whanworld 4 жыл бұрын
Same here man! He also presents in a manner which I want to listen to and not fall asleep to. Even though his voice would be GREAT for audio books haha.
@BogdanWeiss
@BogdanWeiss 4 жыл бұрын
I know I'm going to get my ass flamed & I would not trust this resource for anything historical nor political, but what's wrong with this definition ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(signal_processing)#Sampling_rate
@KyleJackson81
@KyleJackson81 4 жыл бұрын
This is, in my mind, the clearest and most informative demonstration and explanation of sample rates, aliasing, and the tricky bits of digital audio I've ever encountered. I'm also digging the Reaper mixer setup.
@jeremyjohnson7676
@jeremyjohnson7676 3 жыл бұрын
This by far the smartest marketing video for FabFilter. And what makes it so unique is the fact, that everything he's explaining is 100% true!😂😂😂
@PERRECTUMpl
@PERRECTUMpl 4 жыл бұрын
Best digital audio aliasing explanation ever. Thank you!
@montanamaxxamillion
@montanamaxxamillion 3 жыл бұрын
EVER!
@marcel_h_
@marcel_h_ 3 жыл бұрын
..and Nyquist frequency.Thank you!
@adithyasatheesh127
@adithyasatheesh127 3 жыл бұрын
Dan definitely knows he's the best. Sometimes I get on KZfaq simply to hear this man talk about things I can't comprehend.
@bikesnbeerz
@bikesnbeerz 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like I should have paid for this. Anyone else?
@C0D3O
@C0D3O 4 жыл бұрын
it should be at least a blind test, when you see changin text 44 oversampled/48 bla bla, it tricks your brain and you "hear" difference. but it the reality there's no difference maybe (now you need to do a blind test yourself, or remain a fool). then go watch pensado's place where he, with a friendly smile on his face, swears that he can hear a difference in audio cables. also every single itl where he lies to people then every single mixing tutorials channels where there is not a second of useful info and then think
@ncshuriken
@ncshuriken 4 жыл бұрын
@Gonzalo: Definitely among the best "processor" VST's I've ever used, but then I've not really tried many (any?) others since discovering FF! I guess thats a good AND bad thing lol!
@bigjay1970
@bigjay1970 4 жыл бұрын
I was going to make my own comment but this comment sure seems like what I was thinking so there you go!🤗😇🤪
@bikesnbeerz
@bikesnbeerz 4 жыл бұрын
@@gonzalob3348 Yep, bought most of them a while back. They are really all one needs (and yes, I have UAD, Waves etc)
@rrrafiel
@rrrafiel 4 жыл бұрын
@@C0D3O Genuinely curious. What kind of lies does he tell?
@igelkotte
@igelkotte 4 жыл бұрын
The most important feature for high sample rates which you did not talk about, is the ability to pitch down audio with much better quality. Other than that, awesome video!
@ts4gv
@ts4gv 4 жыл бұрын
Igelkotte Good point, thanks.
@thorwaldjohanson2526
@thorwaldjohanson2526 4 жыл бұрын
I can see this being relevant for slow motion video. I'm curious, what are some other areas where you would significantly downpitch as to where this would have a relevant impact?
@skwig5670
@skwig5670 4 жыл бұрын
@@thorwaldjohanson2526 basically in any modern electronic music production/sound design environment, for instance drum'n'bass and jungle producers have been severely downpitching/pitching/timestretching all kinds of sounds since the 90's, also the whole "chopped and screwed" hip hop sub-genre is BASED around slowing songs down for example. Furthermore, changing the speed of a sound is basically one of the easiest ways of transforming it and making it unrecognizable, hence giving you creative options.
@Hamachingo
@Hamachingo 4 жыл бұрын
@@thorwaldjohanson2526 Auto-tune. The way it works is that it cuts audio into the tiniest chunks and sort of copy-pastes them and stretches them to alter pitch, length and vibrato. With 44.1 kHz, it sounds weird very quickly even with very mild auto-tuning. Even just having the recording in 48 kHz makes a big difference in my experience, now you can get away with correcting pitch and timing without it being noticeable. 96 kHz allows for extreme stuff if you're into that, but if you got somewhat capable musicians and are only fixing a few off notes or beats, 48 kHz works well for me (in Logic's own auo-tune system).
@thorwaldjohanson2526
@thorwaldjohanson2526 4 жыл бұрын
@@Hamachingo Thanks for the responses guys :). I'm curious, are you usually recording in 192khz 24bit and then downsample if need be, or do you start directly with 48khz? Or do you record different instruments at different settings? And are there any disadvantages besides filesize, to record at the maximum bitrate?
@norburybrook
@norburybrook Жыл бұрын
Dan, probably the best video I've seen on tis subject.....ever.... Thank you . I'll refer friend and colleagues to this from now on
@whitefiretor7768
@whitefiretor7768 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely unreal as to how much I just learned in this half hour... Couldn't be happier to have been school by the great Dan once again! Thank you so much!!!!
@warnimobv7890
@warnimobv7890 2 жыл бұрын
probably the most honest video a company has ever made. Not even speaking of the clear and good information told by somebody with a great voice to listen to. Thank you for doing this!
@estebanlicea8909
@estebanlicea8909 4 жыл бұрын
This is actual KNOWLEDGE, AND IT'S FREE!!!!! Thank you for making the world better!
@tonynekrews
@tonynekrews 4 жыл бұрын
That was utterly engrossing, educational and absorbing. I got so much from this, thanks Dan.
@zzzyzzzyzzzyxxx
@zzzyzzzyzzzyxxx 3 жыл бұрын
That was FABulously amazing! Thank you for the effort creating it and the generosity for sharing it.
@BigMTBrain
@BigMTBrain Жыл бұрын
That's "PROFESSOR Dan" from now on. So clear. So complete. So concise. So the best! Thank you!
@marcusjayallen
@marcusjayallen 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know I needed this. These videos are just top notch period. thank you so much Fabfilter.
@ASJerrell
@ASJerrell 4 жыл бұрын
Best video and information on sample rates and oversampling to date. I’ve been so confused for so long, so I feel like I’ve watched and read them all. I feel much more comfortable now. Thank you so much.
@sofam84
@sofam84 2 жыл бұрын
I am seriously getting goosebumps! I have been trying to figure out why cutting off frequencies above certain values and saturating would interplay in weird ways. I now can at least PARTIALLY understand some of it.
@sjoerdthabozz
@sjoerdthabozz 4 жыл бұрын
WOW. Extremely well produced. Thanks for the effort you put in to explain this in an understandable way.
@bunnface9511
@bunnface9511 4 жыл бұрын
This tutorial is pure gold, honestly, you help allot with this examples, explenations and themes. Love it
@nichttuntun3364
@nichttuntun3364 4 жыл бұрын
I'll have to watch again. Excellent content as always. It's not only a big learning factor, your video conclusions nearly always relaxes me, helping not to worry too much about possible quality losses. That's so great and I thank you very much.
@manifestgtr
@manifestgtr 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, forget aliasing and oversampling.....this is a masterclass on the “inner lives” of our DAWs. This is yet another reason that I will always support fabfilter. Their plugins are among the cleanest in the industry, they’re infinitely usable and they’re pleasant on the eyes over the course of a long day. But even after all that, there’s content like this. I fear the day you guys decide to release a DAW. At that point, I’d have a pretty serious decision to make regarding my 20+ year investment in Pro Tools’ ecosystem....
@fireloks6362
@fireloks6362 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Fabfilter make a DAW! :-)
@giordanobruno2509
@giordanobruno2509 Жыл бұрын
OMG - can you imagine a FF DAW?! Who says Utopia can't exist?
@AndrewWilson1991
@AndrewWilson1991 7 ай бұрын
I think Avid/PACE is a strong enough motivator to move on. There's plenty of better DAWs out there already.
@manifestgtr
@manifestgtr 7 ай бұрын
@@AndrewWilson1991 This is *just* a question…seriously, nothing antagonistic AT ALL. Don’t read into this as anything other than curiosity. Do you do this for a living?
@BR_READDY225
@BR_READDY225 5 ай бұрын
@@manifestgtranswer: you definitely don’t need protools too make a living in music/mixing..stop the bullshit
@swedishvoice
@swedishvoice 4 жыл бұрын
This was as good as it gets when it comes to presenting real facts about audio processing. Thanks a lot, love it!
@herrbasan
@herrbasan 4 жыл бұрын
This was one of the best educational videos about digital audio i've ever seen. Thank you so much for this.
@jeff92k7
@jeff92k7 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and explanation. Matches up with what I've been doing for years. I record and edit/mix almost everything at 48kHz. With popular music, the space and processing savings of 48k are noticeable and any harmonic content above 20k is pretty much buried under other instruments anyway. Plus, producing high sample rate content is pointless anyway since pretty much all forms of music compression (size) will bandpass limit the content anyway before applying the lossy compression. However, there is still one thing that I record and edit at higher sample rates - that being orchestral music. With typically few microphones (allowing acoustic mixing of the band/orchestra prior to microphone capture), the space and processing savings is unnecessary. There are some instruments that do have harmonics, and even natural energy, above 20k. I find it best to capture and edit at the higher sample rates and then apply bandwidth filters upon final mixdown. This avoids the issue of those frequencies above 20k turning into aliased content in the below 20k range during initial tracking/capture or in the editing stage.
@Seekthetruth3000
@Seekthetruth3000 2 жыл бұрын
What do you think about recording the sounds of a keyboard through its headphone jack? Thanks.
@raphaelherzig3316
@raphaelherzig3316 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, your videos are near perfection. Straight to the essential point, very pleasant to hear. And most of all, supported with scientifical demonstration that make us have confidence in the knowledge you transmit. I believe that your videos made me subconsciously create a growing percieved value for the fabfilter bundle, which I bought recently
@hazybrain7
@hazybrain7 4 жыл бұрын
Superb production and lesson, and message too to all producers, Bravo Dan and Fabfilter team !
@zcubedmusic
@zcubedmusic 4 жыл бұрын
This was an awesome video and helped me understand a lot more about saturation too. Thanks for taking the time to help us out!
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been telling people (mostly amateur engineers and audiophiles) this stuff for years but this is the first video I've seen that actually illustrates it perfectly with smart examples and incontrovertible proof. High sample rates for the final, consumer delivery format are useless. Even for basic tracking, they don't really matter because the majority of microphones don't pick up much of anything over 18k anyway. The only reason to use them is in mixing and it is far more practical to just use over-sampling rather than record everything at a higher sample rate. Dan Worrell is the best.
@harrisfrankou2368
@harrisfrankou2368 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I read an interview with one of the engineers that was on the CD team. Phillips Sony, there was a Toshiba guy there as well according the interviewee. It was fascinating reading.
@RutgerS.
@RutgerS. 3 жыл бұрын
Not all plugins have oversampling built in. They generate (fold back) aliasing in the audible frequency area when working on lower sample rates.
@MichaelGraybill
@MichaelGraybill 4 жыл бұрын
Especially well-explained and demonstrated concepts. All of it is valuable, perspective shaping information. Great work.
@user-ij8ef2ck4u
@user-ij8ef2ck4u 4 жыл бұрын
Incredible useful, as always! Just pure facts and undestandable examples. Thank you, Dan!
@happylittlesynth
@happylittlesynth 4 жыл бұрын
Dan you're a god with the voice of one to boot. Thank you for all these amazing videos
@FrankOlsonTwins
@FrankOlsonTwins 4 жыл бұрын
The best 29 minutes dedicated to sample rates on the internet. Excellent, thank you!
@nickcocks
@nickcocks 4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU I WORK IN AUDIOBOOKS AND HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD INDUSTRY SAMPLE RATE STANDARDS AND NOW I DO!!
@DDWyss
@DDWyss 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video! Thanks so much for this one! I had suspected that I might have been experiencing some issues in some of my projects due to using too high a sample rate, but after watching this, I know I am. Now I can go back and fix things with a much better grasp of what's going on!
@xandde1
@xandde1 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Dan Worrall's videos are incredibly good.
@rickbiessman6084
@rickbiessman6084 2 жыл бұрын
Ending a very technical and precise video essay with the punchline "If it sounds good, it is good" is just killer. :D Thank you so much Dan for explaining these things. I’m one of those audio guys who know next to nothing about the technical side but feel like I really should know more. Compared to the photography and videography world, us music producers seem to worry little about technical aspects that do play a role (and we tend to know about them even less, especially compared to our camera wielding counterparts). I’ve wondered about why that is. I love how well you explain the technical aspects so that even a layman like me can understand most of it, and you approach it with a healthy pragmatism that both the "I only care about the creative side and therefore tech doesn’t matter" as well as the borderline-esotericists miss out on. I’ll probably have to revisit the video a few times before I grasp it entirely, but for now: I’ve already learned a lot with a single watch! Cheers!
@Bthelick
@Bthelick 2 жыл бұрын
my only issue with that saying, is that it used to be Behringer's slogan, and I mean early Behringer when they were REALLY bad haha.
@rickbiessman6084
@rickbiessman6084 2 жыл бұрын
@@Bthelick Was it? I had no idea :D I only knew their slogan "We Hear You".
@Bthelick
@Bthelick 2 жыл бұрын
@@rickbiessman6084 yup I remember it clearly i worked music retail back in them days. In fact the irony of both slogans is palpable. by "we hear you" are they referring to how they like to slap people with lawsuits when they are found out how Behringer infringe the copyright / patents of other manufactures I wonder? because they are certainly listening out for that hahah
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 9 ай бұрын
IISGIIG … “The Golden Rule” (read like Andy Samberg from the end of 3-Way … … …)
@Trickey2413
@Trickey2413 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly such a great video. Very informative.
@portendinghonor496
@portendinghonor496 4 жыл бұрын
The is the best demo of this problem I've ever seen! Bravo!
@McAndriu
@McAndriu 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a former Audiovisual Systems Engineer from Barcelona and this has never been explained so clearly to me. Thank you. Best tutorials ever.
@bandogbone3265
@bandogbone3265 4 жыл бұрын
Dan, your presentations convey not only technical knowledge but also, and more importantly, much wisdom about how the skills fit into the whole project and to this work in general. Much thanks for an EXTREMELY well-planned and produced presentation -- the density of useful knowledge per unit time is off-the-charts! If there were awards given for this sort of thing, you would sweep the whole lot, every time!
@Eleni_Be
@Eleni_Be 4 жыл бұрын
geez, this is the greatest example of edutainment (in fact, mere education) that I've come across in years. so clearly put and illustrated that well it should serve as an obligatory role model for anyone teaching or just having to explain any complex matter.
@connyolovsson
@connyolovsson 2 жыл бұрын
Dan is the master! The pedagogical content of these videos is no less than amazing.
@amaze2n
@amaze2n 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is probably the best tutorial I have ever seen on any topic.
@michaelanderwald4179
@michaelanderwald4179 4 жыл бұрын
After reading and arguing about this stuff on the forums for so long, these videos (especially your latest ones) feel like a big therapeutic release, because all the stuff I've learned by doing a bunch of tests in my home studio are finally put into a form that is tangible and easily shareable.
@willibtx
@willibtx 2 жыл бұрын
This explanation is really incredible. Thank you Fabfilter and Dan Worrall for educating the mixing masses!
@matijatatomirovic3351
@matijatatomirovic3351 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best audio related video ive seen in years. Thank you!
@Xe054
@Xe054 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a teacher! I fell asleep halfway through this video, woke up still in awe, and continued watching until the end. I'm going to make a playlist full of this man's videos.
@Baphometrix
@Baphometrix 4 жыл бұрын
I've been a strong proponent of working at 44.1 project sample rates for over a decade. Based largely on the understanding that most music producers have sample libraries comprising 44.1 samples, and that crappy realtime SRC up to 48 inside most DAWs was incurring a needless quality loss from the minimum phase anti-aliasing filter during realtime SRC. But your explanation of the cumulative effect of many oversampling stages with a gentler anti-aliasing filter at 48 has opened my eyes. Your A-B comparison at the end, of 44.1 oversampled versus 48 oversampled across the entire project was mind-boggling. My hearing is relatively destroyed at this point in my career, but even with my trashed ears, I can clearly hear the difference in that final AB demonstration. I would never have had the patience to set up a test project of that size to show the cumulative difference at 48 vs 44.1 like that. THANK YOU. (I'll be working at 48000 project rates from now on, despite the fact that I don't do soundtrack work and my sample library comprises mostly 44.1 samples.)
@Baphometrix
@Baphometrix 4 жыл бұрын
@Agent К_видео The difference is subtle, and falls into the category of "ear training" for certain things, plus a LOT depends on your monitors and room characteristics (or your headphones). I'm used to listening for "how much clipping is too much clipping" because I use clippers a lot and push limiters hard. The aliasing artifacts and IMD in the 44100 version has some similar "dirt" and "grit" around the edges of the transient sounds in the mix (like with clipping), and the mids and highs feel a little more "congested". By contrast, the 48000 version has a more "open" feeling in the mids and highs, and not as much of that dirty/gritty edge to the transients.
@user-bo8ex4ji7n
@user-bo8ex4ji7n 4 ай бұрын
@@Baphometrix Agree with your assessment and my opinion was that neither were necessarily "better" I listened to the comparison with different sets of monitors, and for some it felt like the 44.1 version with OS was slightly more mid/low-mid forward and it made it feel like a more focused mix. No doubt that the 48 one felt a bit wider/open, but that's not always what I want/need in a mix.
@jamessweeney6089
@jamessweeney6089 4 жыл бұрын
dan worrall could probably sell me air if he wanted to
@DeanLawrence_ftw
@DeanLawrence_ftw 4 жыл бұрын
Music is basically just fancy wiggly air
@davidnika446
@davidnika446 4 жыл бұрын
@@DeanLawrence_ftw Now THAT is too funny. And true!
@MarioBuchichio
@MarioBuchichio 4 жыл бұрын
This has to be the best and most practical explanation of the subject. Thank you
@daniel_caron
@daniel_caron 2 жыл бұрын
This presentation is a work of art. Thanks Dan.
@squidcaps4308
@squidcaps4308 4 жыл бұрын
Aligns with my own experiences and lessons over the years: bandpass everything, all audio is bandpassed at some stage anyway so you better do it.. before it is too late and the signal encounters something that can't cope with its demands. Distortion and heat will be the result of that and you will get degraded audio signal. Also: Hi-res record releases are not meant for consumer consumption, you once again have to deal with bandpassing the signal before it hits your speaker. The end result is intermodulation distortion in the analog chain too. Most of it will be turned to heat but it is never a good idea to push too wide of a sausage thru a too small hole... A good speaker has ultra- and infrasonic filtering but one of the principles i have picked out is that it is far better to cut the signal before amplification than after. If for nothing else, components are smaller and the circuit design can be considerably better.
@Rhuggins
@Rhuggins 3 жыл бұрын
I hope one day to be as wise as you 🙏🏽
@JohnnyNatrium
@JohnnyNatrium 2 жыл бұрын
About these high res 'record' releases (I'm assuming digitized recordings of analog master tape playback then of course, just stating this because in common parlance the term record is often read as synonymous with vinyl plate prints); To deny that they are *meant* for consumer consumption (as opposed to what consumption?) is simply contrarian. You know about these releases, so you must know that their resellers have a consumer demographic. I consume, as a consumer - which includes every producer because none of us only uses music materials for work aka in your terms "producer production": just to source, process, stock etc. - I consume hi-res consumer content recreationally, like the vast majority of their target demographics. And I'm not sure if you're simply generalizing a part of this market, or if you're making a case against the release of hi-res digitizations of any music source material, for any recreational consumers. Certainly when taking what you're saying literally, that is what you are doing; but of course communication is too complex to know for sure. In any case, consider the consumption of hi-res releases, by a consumer who bit-streams it to a high quality digital-to-analog converter, going into an analog (pre)amplifier which easily handles the output signal of the aforementioned converter, ending up, in any circumstance which assumes no use of destructive ignorent elements in the signal chain between, playing back through high quality speakers or headphones. What about this is 'not meant' to be?
@johnnyt5054
@johnnyt5054 3 жыл бұрын
I wasn't bored for a second. This is just phenomenal. As payment for this vast knowledge I shall buy Pro Q3, since the Thanks Giving sale is on!
@hithere4289
@hithere4289 3 жыл бұрын
ready to put it on linear phase at maximum and max oversampling? :D
@noiseinthebasement8139
@noiseinthebasement8139 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation, and great information. Thanks, fabfilter & Dan W!
@MatsumuriMedia
@MatsumuriMedia 2 жыл бұрын
Dan, Your videos give me a deeper understanding of complex topics and sooth me into a state of zen relaxation all at once. Your voice is amazing and easy to listen to and your approach to teaching these concepts is incredible. I have learned so much from your channel and I am looking forward to what you teach us next. Thank you so much for all your hard work it is much appreciated.
@ToddBeal
@ToddBeal 4 жыл бұрын
Dan, for years, I have searched for this conclusion. I spent two weeks chasing my tail trying to mix a solo acoustic guitar song: each corrective tweak created more deficiencies than what it solved. No matter what I did to "improve" the mix, it simply sounded like there were both dead spots and artificial bright spots that nothing could fix. After watching this video, I tried a 'what-if'. I lowered the DAW session sample rate from 96kHz to 48kHz and made no other adjustments. Immediately, as if someone flicked on the sonic fullness switch, my mix sprang to life. Life will never be the same, thanks to this video. 48 kHz is my new sample rate. If a project calls for a track to make its way into the movie domain, I will simply upsample the 48 kHz master to 96 kHz to meet that format. Thank you for this most excellent 'put the sample-rate argument to bed' video. Keep up the good work!
@petrparizek9945
@petrparizek9945 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry to say this with a delay of one full year. But are you aware that if you resample anything from 48 kHz to 96 kHz, the only thing you get is your files taking up twice the space they originally took, without any improvement in sound quality whatsoever?
@MrVadymMykh
@MrVadymMykh 4 жыл бұрын
When I hear the voice of Dan Worrall, I slap LIKE. Because of EPIC explication. Thank you.
@NJ000
@NJ000 3 жыл бұрын
Honesty one of the best videos about this, thank you.
@RemyLuciani
@RemyLuciani 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I wish every audio processing video were as clear and concrete as this one. Wonderful job, thanks a lot for the learnings.
@makeperceive
@makeperceive Жыл бұрын
When is the Dan Worral Netflix series coming?
@raphaelkuttruf
@raphaelkuttruf 4 жыл бұрын
Reaper 6 dominating the DAW scene xD Thanks for the wonderful education!!
@BeccaLozierTrumpet
@BeccaLozierTrumpet 2 жыл бұрын
I've watched four thousand videos and read ten thousand articles about this and you've finally demonstrated what REALLY matters. Thank you.
@Tazmanian_Ninja
@Tazmanian_Ninja 4 жыл бұрын
Again you guys have done yet another video that's lightyears ahead of the rest, explaining a complex subject in clear way that doesn't dumb it down too much.
@KaitavSapreMusic
@KaitavSapreMusic 4 жыл бұрын
My goodness, what a tutorial! Dan completely grabbed my attention for 30 mins when I thought I am not in a position to watch the entire video. Thanks a lot, FabFilter for the awesome plugins and Dan for the awesome tutorials.
@flexprog3374
@flexprog3374 4 жыл бұрын
So much useful stuff in just one video, it's unbelievable : - Understanding why digital saturation/compression doesn't sounds right compared to analog stuff (i.e. guitar amps for example) - What is aliasing, with clear examples - Which effects are concerned and you need to oversample, with audible comparisons - Advice on what to do for the best quality without destroying your CPU - The incredible custom guitar chain with EQ for the cab, then 3 stages of saturation for the amp. I HAVE to use this ! - At the end of the day, technical stuff or not, if it sounds good it IS good. Maybe the best advice of this video. Thank you so much Dan Worrall, for this free valuable resource.
@KenjiUmino
@KenjiUmino 4 жыл бұрын
absolutely this
@DDRMR
@DDRMR 3 жыл бұрын
So many years in the game.. and this rocks my world and completely explains everything regarding sample rates I've always wanted to know.
@MikeVlcek
@MikeVlcek 4 жыл бұрын
True masterclass material. Congrats once again, Dan
@abrotherinchrist
@abrotherinchrist 4 жыл бұрын
I love these rabbit holes what take you right back where you started, but with more knowledge of why your are good where you're at. I could hear the difference between all the sample rates/oversampling combos. I think I've concluded that for my uses, mixing in 48kHz with oversampling where possible will do juuuuust fine. I'm actually considering getting Saturn now, but I'm not sure I need it with the other saturation plugins I have. I haven't even looked to see if they have oversampling. Mixing is one of those things where you can easily get lost in the details.
@leaveitorsinkit242
@leaveitorsinkit242 Жыл бұрын
No you didn't.
@djminddrum
@djminddrum 4 жыл бұрын
Dan Worrall!
@4m_Audio
@4m_Audio 2 жыл бұрын
Fabfilter, yall literally make the best, most informational, deep yet approachable videos of anyone in the game! this stuff is the deep magic in the days of digital audio
@biged3175
@biged3175 3 жыл бұрын
Nobody has ever explained this in such a way that I could fully understand it. Thanks Dan!
@ethnicalbert
@ethnicalbert 2 жыл бұрын
The point of higher sample rates in my industry is so that you can pitch audio down without losing all high frequencies. Its VERY important for sound design
@INeedsMoneys
@INeedsMoneys 4 жыл бұрын
Best video ive seen this year so far
@blueleafstudio
@blueleafstudio 7 ай бұрын
Fantastic video. By far the most informative and well presented I've seen on the subject. Cheers!
@Chaotrick
@Chaotrick 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't think I'll grasp this concept, but I did. The explanation is stellar. Nothing was overly complicated with word salads, the examples were presented and explained in a way that's easy to understand. Great stuff right there!
@vicnest
@vicnest 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for quality explanations! Hope the 6 files (3 sample rates and OS on/off) could be provided in 44.1kHz 16bit wave format for off-line comparison.
@BBDRecordsStudio
@BBDRecordsStudio 4 жыл бұрын
Please make a Masterclass Dan !!!!
@MichaelCosta_
@MichaelCosta_ 4 жыл бұрын
That was a masterclass!
@BBDRecordsStudio
@BBDRecordsStudio 4 жыл бұрын
It was indees ! But I’m referring to a complete mixing course or masterclass.
@TazzSmk
@TazzSmk 4 жыл бұрын
Dan has own KZfaq channel and started being more active recently, keep an eye on it ;)
@BBDRecordsStudio
@BBDRecordsStudio 4 жыл бұрын
TzzSmk watched all his videos on his channel😅
@jasonzdora
@jasonzdora 4 жыл бұрын
@@BBDRecordsStudio Whats the name of his channel? Definitely interested!
@nickmarkham3743
@nickmarkham3743 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing tutorial on a complicated topic! Bravo, Dan. Bravo Fabfilter. That was fun. :)
@richardsomerville5725
@richardsomerville5725 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan for your continued excellent efforts.
@Someone89a
@Someone89a 3 жыл бұрын
The aliasing on that synth patch actually sounded good to me. Then again, I listen to a lot of autechre haha
@172Break
@172Break 2 жыл бұрын
And people pay a lot of money for MPC60s and EMU SP1200s......
@elblopex
@elblopex 4 жыл бұрын
I want dan to teach a 3-hour audio course for everybody at my funeral
@arielcruz6097
@arielcruz6097 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent way to see and hear the different between the samplerates. Great stuff Thank you!!
@atomaalatonal
@atomaalatonal 4 жыл бұрын
excellent video on the topics. the best ive seen anywhere tbh. all straight on point
@nikbivation
@nikbivation 4 жыл бұрын
First time I upvote every voted comment I see. The video is that good!
@XiyuYang
@XiyuYang 4 жыл бұрын
If there’s a lot of pitching shifting and tempo change in the project higher sample rate may be beneficial
@Willigrow
@Willigrow 4 жыл бұрын
Damn, thanks for taking time to do all of these examples and tests, great stuff!
@MixingGBP
@MixingGBP 2 жыл бұрын
After watching this, I feel like I’ve been to my old college lecture hall again. Amazing work and command of the subject!
@pellefri
@pellefri 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a fantastic video Dan Worrall!! I have been skeptical if the the higher samplingrates made any bigger difference. When using 96 and resampling down to 44.1, I never heard a better result than going from 48 to 44,1. Now I can stop wondering and just stick to 48k with a great explanation and relief :-)
@JohnnyNatrium
@JohnnyNatrium 2 жыл бұрын
This video demonstrated that you will hear a difference, assuming you apply digital processing of the signal to a common degree. What did you think the point was of him advocating the use of functions which use 8x the project sample rate, featured in the distortion plugins?? It just also demonstrated that you're better off using higher sample rates on a per-process/plugin basis, to avoid using resources on processes which cannot benefit from it (meaning not setting your entire project sample rate, based on the highest denominator which is your most aliasing-prone plugin(s) because it affects the CPU power needed for everything which doesn't audibly affect the signal as well. This has always been the case in out-of-the-box processing, because every analog signal processor, such as the type of distortions he's emulating here, was already 'upsampled' separately, by way of being an analog process, while the drum machine that the band used, was not unnecessarily digitally upsampled at the source, or at any digital point in the chain that didn't benefit from upsampling. But you will certainly hear the difference when you apply a digital process that aims to recreate the type of analog warmth that these distortion DSPs are doing. He's literally explained to you that you want very high sample rates for that type of processing, just that it's handy to have this function available and contained within each plugin, which in effect is just a way of getting closer to the way out-of-the-box mixing and mastering is done, assuming the inclusion of analog gear, which is virtually any music that isn't chiptunes.
@pellefri
@pellefri 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyNatrium Thanks for your reply Johnny. I got it and that was exactly my point. Using plugins upsampling.. and not considering the AD/DA when using outboard or recording audio:-)
@tcb6771
@tcb6771 4 жыл бұрын
I never considered that high samplerate may result more IMD and lower sound quality.Thank you FF and Dan Worral
@guillaumeboyer5473
@guillaumeboyer5473 4 жыл бұрын
THis is the best content about those issues i ever saw. Thank you.
@tedbahas
@tedbahas 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for helping us mortals with a proper technical explanation of when and where oversampling should be used. Also love the plugs!!!
@aidarka580
@aidarka580 4 жыл бұрын
hope one day I will send my child to Dan Worrall school...
@HolgerH1967
@HolgerH1967 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic explanations - as usual from Dan Worrall. I have to admit, I don't hear a difference in the 44.1 vs 48 oversampling example, so I'm fully onboard with his conclusion: I won't stress about it ;) At least I know now why plugins have an oversampling button. Big thanks!
@spikeafrican8797
@spikeafrican8797 2 жыл бұрын
Where the technical fully meets the useful! A fantastic presentation... very well done sir. Thank you.
@fortheoneswhocare
@fortheoneswhocare 4 жыл бұрын
not only Fabfilter makes some of the best plugins out there but they also do incredible and honest technical videos with the legendary Dan ! Thank you !!
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