Archer960 so you dont need a number to id your service dog

@@javier19932011 No.

ergensinnooitgedachtland no you would just have to register in Canada

Thank you! You get IT!

Heidi Willard growling is still not allowed as it is an aggression signal. And my own service dog is trained to bark one time when we are in a dark space and she first notices a person I might not have noticed. She does not bark at other dogs, she is silenced after one signal bark during the proper circumstances (not a grocery store), and if she does bark in inappropriate places/times we leave in order to enforce that if she behaves poorly she loses public privileges. Barking at other dogs, growling at ANYTHING, snapping, lunging. Those are all completely unacceptable behaviors and show a “handler” has zero actual control over their dog. Thusly making it a fake service dog.

Lynxxheart you can judge what's what all you want but that does not make you correct unless you have the kind of facts to back it up. In other words PROOF that a dog has not been trained to perform tasks for a disabled person is the only thing that would show they are fake! What you described that alone does NOT make a service dog a fake! A service dog has to be trained to perform the tasks necessary for their disabled owner. They do not have to be trained to not bark. Now to get in public places they do have to behave while there or they can be kicked out. A person hard of hearing trains their dogs to bark when their owners need to be aware of something they can not hear. But that's not the point the point is you can have either a service dog that behaves or a service dog that doesn't behave. If it does not behave that alone does NOT make it a fake service dog! A growling service dog should never be taken out in pubic but growling alone does not mean it's a fake service dog!

Lucia Brown - There are two parts to this problem, both of which are wreaking havoc for legitimate service dogs and their handlers. Problem 1 - People claiming to have a service dog which are clearly not. Service dogs in Canada, and I presume the rest of the world, are trained by accredited organizations and trainers to perform specific tasks for people with disabilities, such as seeing eye dogs, mobility assistance, retrieving, alerting etc... These fake service dogs are a bit easier to deal with then problem 2 because it's a bit more cut and dry. Problem 2 - Emotional support "animals" which is a vague term which is not regulated in any way whatsoever. These animals are pets which people assert they need to have with them all the time to deal with a plethora of mental health issues. I wouldn't have an issue with this if these animals (which I don't think a duck, or a pig or a goat should qualify) were somehow trained and tested to a standard which deems them temperamentally fit to be in public spaces. One of my dogs is a certified and therapy dog who works in a children's hospital and nursing homes. It was a very involved process to have my dog certified which required hundreds of hours of training and he had to pass multiple tests to ensure that he was temperamentally sound. It is an ongoing certification where I have to have him retested every two years and submit work reports and vet verifications that the dog is in to health. He also needs to be impeccably groomed before he goes to work (he is a Bernese/Aussie Shepherd cross so this is a fair amount of work). Not every dog is cut out for service work. My other dog, is a big, lovely mutt. He is the sweetest dog but he doesn't have the attention span or rock solid confidence my other dog does. That is just the way he is. No less a dog, but just not fit for service. I have flown with both of my dogs and they travel in crates in storage. They aren't service dogs and although I could easily pass my therapy dog off as a service or emotional support dog I would never do it. At the end of the day I am pretty grateful I am fortunate enough to not require a service dog, so I want to make those people living with a disability as hassle free as possible.

So...Just what service does your dog provide???

Heidi Willard - So how exactly does one determine whether or not a dog is an actual service dog and actually provides a service to compensate for a physical disability or disease?

I can walk but at times I use a wheelchair because I have MS and get tired. Faking a service dog is not like using a wheelchair at times and walking at times.

ELI ICD she means mediforicly like people just want to bring there dogs when there is nothing wrong with them lol

@@isabellaherb2216 I understand that. I have had my own encounters with fake service dogs over the years. It is like using medical equipment when you have no disability, as service animals are medical equipment. Fake esa are just as bad as fake service dogs.

@@eliicd303 he said “because you don’t “feel” like walking”. So his analogy is correct and this does not apply in your case. In your case, it sounds like you get tired because you have a debilitating disease. But his analogy was pretty good I feel.

Medifior is metaphorically??

They are calling them service pets because they are talking about fake service dogs are just pets I hope that makes sense

Rebecca Ackley yes

Rebecca Ackley they are not equipment nor are they pets they are service animals

Typical Alien they are labeled as medical equipment even though they’re sentient

they are not equipment, they are like a personal disability assistant ! an aide

Highlighted, Thank you for your reply, as someone who is new to all of this, I appreciate your feedback. You are right about stricter legislation. I just wish that those trying to pass off a fake service dog were penalized for their hurtful actions. And agreed, I would never show anyone my medical documentation. Be well.

Thank you for letting me know this..I dont have a service but just a regular dog but i love my dog so now i can lie to all restaurants and everywhere else i go. No Document needed...cool and knowing that they can only ask me only 2 questions..its all lies Lol. well thank you so much main street Boxer. I can stop leaving my dog here at home.

@@JustDave262 Crackdowns are now happening in some places.

Monarch Serenity and the sad part is alot of these people with service animals can't even control their animals!

I stand by my comment.

Monarch Serenity I back it. Too many people claim to have ridiculous disabilies and take crazy animals around with them. A few weeks ago on my job, a few guys had snakes with them holding them and i refused to ring them up (because of my fear of snakes) and I think one of guys said it was for his anxiety! I told my supervisor he would have to service them. This was at a Walmart.

Tampabruh It is definitely reaching absurd heights.

What about the people who owner train their service animals? I have epilepsy to where I black out/space out/ unresponsive Forget a lot of things Its I'm fair for owner trained SDs

Megan Howie is there such thing as service cats? If i ever need a service pet or anything then i want a service cat.☺

_-Sky-_ RANDOM you said key words trained most are not

_-Sky-_ RANDOM ESA don't have to be trained and in USA are not allowed to enter "no pet" places but their owners usually need to have a certification from their doctors that explaines why its needed. Service dogs are always very well trained for public access and particular tasks and are allowed everywhere while you don't have to give any proof or certification, having one of those is actually a proof that's a fake SD.

Iris Rainbow You are wrong you don’t need anything from a doctor that says why you need a emotional support animal. I can go online and register my 8 foot snake and take him any place. I can be sitting next to someone that is afraid of them and they can’t say poop. That is the problem not the service animals but the emotional support animal.

froglick28 I said that emotional support animals USUALLY need a doctor certification because that's what I heard its needed if you for example want to move in an appartament where pets are not allowed. I'm also well aware of the fact that there are FAKE web sites where you can register your dog as an SD/ESA. I never said SD are the problem, they simply can't be because of their training.

froglick28 " All registries are Fake and Scams. For ESAs you need a health professionals Note claiming you need the animal as an ESA to help you with your mental disability.

Good luck trying to convince a fish is a dog. ;)

my dog know when it nut he tell me by barking.

@@anygonzalez8068that would be a service dog task… emotional support dogs/animals can be untrained… only some are trained

They are prohibited from 'testing' any service dog.

oreodoggerr , if the dog barks, or misbehaves, the business owner or manager can legally ask that the animal be removed

@@BroccoliBeefed No, a Service dog can bark to alert, and can not be asked to leave the business if the bark was a task.

Don’t bother Reading my name I know how you feel me to!🐶

I like this idea too. It would be so much easier for someone like me with PTSD and anxiety to hand someone an ID, if asked.

yep and if you complain or even try to explain all the reasons and details , people still side with the person with the dog and act like you are full of it because you have stated on ever point of why so n so's dog is not a legit service dog and if a half way legit service animal training organization met the dog theyd say, that the dogs temperament personality demeanor, behavior , he would likely be automatically denied disqualified

i met and known, even lived near a few of these folks who their very nervous high strung, dog was clearly not a service dog ! and yet no one takes your side when you explain this,

Service animals are animals and should be free to be animals!

@@chrissysaechao4939 they have plenty of time to be animals. if you have a service dog, it has to like it’s job

Keenan White emotional support dogs are needed in public places depending on the owners disability. Anxiety or depression. People like me and many others have panic attacks that are painful unless you have someone by your side but I have not gotten an emotional support animal yet but they do the same work as a service dog and shouldn’t be distracted in any cases. I have PTSD From pass domestic abuse in my family when I was young when ever that comes up I start scratching myself and it becomes very hard to breath along with a heavy chest weight

Hello It's Jello that would be a service dog then, not an emotional support dog. I have panic attacks, as well as extreme anxiety. My dog will help calm manic moments or lead me to a more calm and safe area away from the problem. He is a service dog, NOT and emotional support dog. Emotional support animals do not need to preform a special task for someone other then comfort. If you need a dog to preform a task, then it is a service dog which is allowed in public places, not an emotional support animal.

A "emotional support dog" is only a fancy name for a pet. I have two dogs and when I´m stressed or sad I like to play with them till I´m relaxed. But they are not trained, they didn´t do any "job" as a service dog that know exactly what to do to help is owner. The dog that the girl in the video has probably would run away if she let the lease go by accident, as all non trained couch potato dogs do.

Hello It's Jello ESA dogs are not allowed in public places. They ARE however allowed on planes due to the high stress situation. Severe cases of anxiety get service dogs. These are differentiated by the dog being able to perform a task (SD) or just being there for comfort (ESA). Doctors differentiate which you need.

@@daniwilliams4365 Wrong. Emotional support animals are NOT allowed in public, no matter what your mental issues are.

Pets are allowed on planes. If your dog can't handle that, you need to retrain it. The idea that you stopped an entire flight, and impacted all those people is outrageous. I guess you are the human equivalent of a tiny bark machine.

@@shakeyj4523 my dog was just fine, he was at my feet already falling asleep, hers was not

@@JoyfulNerd400 Your dog was fine, but you had to stop a flight because some tiny dog was barking? You sound like you just like to create drama. There is no way a barking tiny dog will "endanger" you if your dog can ignore it.

@@shakeyj4523 me? They told her to leave the plane, how on earth is it my fault?

@@shakeyj4523 and for the record it doesn’t endanger my dog it distracts my dog which might then not alert and I could die.

@Main Street Boxer how about you do some research. How do we know if this will work or not. I say we try it in a small group then if it works try it in a larger group.

@Main Street Boxer your allowed to take a service dog onto a plane. And you can tske ESA's but ESA's arent service dogs.

@Main Street Boxer yes some airlines dont let you. But most do.

@Main Street Boxer i know the laws. What i was saying is that they called a esa a service dog. When they arent. Thats all

Australian service animals ARE registered!, they also have their own public transport passes for travel. Therapy dogs are also slightly different this is an animal brought into nursing homes to interact with clients a whole group, not just one

Kingdomall Just remember, ESAs are not the same as service animals. Service animals spend years training to become service animals. Service animals perform tasks to help their owner. ESAs are just there to give emotional support. Emotional support is not considered a task under ADA law. Meaning ESAs have no public access rights. ESAs are only allowed to ride in the cabin of an airplane with their owner, and are allowed to live in no pet housing.

Your doctor is NOT registering your esa anywhere because that does NOT exist.

Shari Carr You are right but they still pets, even if they are service dog, cat, horse ... etc

Citygirl Lbrand But you can stay with him if you want. In my country, all i know is you can stay with that animal. Pets are not just "part of the family", you have to take care of him too. When you take care, the animal is a pet too.

Heidi Willard I'm still think they are pets

@Maria Eduarda R A Silva, no. Service animals are service animals not pets! Service dogs are medical equipment under the law pets are not. Even when off duty service animals still alert and respond to their owners disability.

If they did that I believe back then it is against the law

Heidi Willard if it’s a task then it’s fine but if the dog barks uncontrollably then the business has a right to remove the animal from the premises.

Heidi Willard yeah that’s totally acceptable

Thank you omg

In the US there is no registration nor certification for service animals, all the websites claiming to sell these are scams. For an Emotional Support Animal you need a doctors note.

Little Mix Lover .....Thank you for letting me know. I thought I did it right but you proved me wrong. I thought that since it took me 5 or 6 weeks to get it, that it was ledgit. I am disabled and my specialist doctor recommended one. But if I can get what ever form it is from the doctor to sign, he would without issue as he signed every form I ever taken to him. Unfortunately now that these are considered fake, I feel as if I lied about my dog to the home owners association when I bought my new home. But the association seen the i.d. cards and let my dog in as service animal under and for medical reasons with having surgeries every 2 to 3 weeks on both feet. Thank you kindly for the valuble information. What is your recommendation if I may ask?

Albino Red Eared Slider, I recommend not using the ID again, as you are making it (not saying you did it on purpose, you simply didn't know and I don't blame you) harder for the next service dog team that doesn't have an ID. You could ask your doctor for a note saying you need your SD 24/7 but that doesn't have any legal standing either. Also, your service dog isn't legally required to wear a vest/be labelled as a service animal, but many handlers choose to do so anyway to help the general public to understand that they're not allowed to pet the animal. If you have any more questions, or just want to chat, you can always DM me on Instagram, my username is: sofie3_p.sd4

Little Mix Lover ......Thank you so very much. Yes I did not know and I guess I am disgusted with paying 160 dollars for fake documents only to show without knowledge to the home owner association. I do not have a Instagram account or Facebook at the moment as my ex had caused to much drama and I am a drama free individual. I am going to create a account for my small business from home soon selling very expensive turtles ( hence my screen name here and the picture of one of my many albino Turtles as my Avatar). Once I make a account, I would be honored to chat with you more. Your knowledge is great and thank you for that, It means a lot.

Albino Red Eared Slider, no problem! I am getting a service dog around Christmas 2018 and I really would LOVE to help you out! Though I feel like I should tell you this, I myself am not American, I am actually European, but I know each and every American laws there is about Service Dogs, I hope this makes no difference, as I love to help!

drink more water

You might consider learning the laws better. The handler chooses what equipment, and there are no laws governing type. You also have NO right to question anyone. Only an employee can and you said you were a shopper. The behavior you describe was inappropriate, but you tell management and let them handle it. If they won’t, they defectors allow pets. The health department won’t get involved unless the store is violating code. There are much better ways to handle those situations.

@@sdigf3167 actually WE DO have a right to question. No where in the law does it say “the public can not ask”. Also where I live, the employees couldn’t give two fucking shits about it. Because their too “terrified the pet owners will sue them.” Also, I do kno my state and federal law.

@@sdigf3167 also, if it’s a fucking grocery store. The health department gets involved when someone violates a health code. WHICH A FUCKING FAKE ASS SERVICE DOG IS A MAJOR HEALTH CODE VIOLATION. I NEVER MET A PET IN A STORE THAT WASN’T IN A CART OR GETTING IN THE PRODUCTS!

@@sd.lulu.multipurpose5306 No, you don’t have the “right” and if it is seen as harassment YOU will be the one in trouble. No one has to answer your questions and not answering means absolutely nothing. If the person is disabled. The bar for harassment is lower, so you may find yourself in jail if you persist. The disabled person is still protected if their dog is not well trained. You are the worst kind of fake spotter who gives ALL handlers a bad name. You would also have to prove in court that the dog was a pet, and a picture will not do that. Just stop. You make people think all handlers are drama queens.

@@sd.lulu.multipurpose5306 And yet the store is not worried. You need to learn to control yourself.

There is a registration for esa they are not SD!! There is no registration for a service dogs

Why in the world would you pay for your esa to fly?

Wasabi kitten there are hypoallergenic dogs.

k, but I mean like if you are having an allergic reaction is the dog there to help you?

Thanks! :) Hope these aren't hate comments. Oh and that's what I thought, but thanks for clarifying.

Heidi Willard, They are not covered, for anything, by the ADA. They are covered or other things under different laws, but not the ADA.

If you had been cloned, you would not have received notification of the post. Perhaps someone used your account.

No

Have her arrested.

Not everyone that gets those Id's have fake service dogs! Just because the ID is not legit that alone does not mean the dog is not a legitimate service dog.

@Main Street Boxer That's the whole point, they are showing fake ID's and paperwork, so if we had official IDs it would stop them. Plus we wouldn't have to show them every time, only when asked. And again, it's easier/less stressful/less panic attack for ppl like me with PTSD to just simply hand them or have my sd hand them an official ID. The person scans it hands it back to dog or me and we're on our way, No harm done. It would be by discression/on request type thing.

Correct. Airlines are under the ACAA.

They are allowed, you just have to pay like any other pet.

@Chocolate Covered Labrador Do you always make ad hominem attacks, or just when you can't think of a decent counterargument? 1. Fake service dogs do harm. They can attack people and distract or attack other service dogs or service dogs in training. There are many disabled people who have spent years training their dog or waiting for a trained dog only to have their dog ruined by an attack. Fake service dogs also make business owners and members of the public wary of legitimate service dogs, encouraging them to harass or deny access to disabled people, even if it's illegal. 2. A law that cannot be enforced might as well not exist. Unless you have effective means of enforcing the laws against fake service dogs, you might as well not have those laws at all. 3. The most reliable form of enforcement of these kinds of laws is to have a visible indicator of compliance with the law. In this case, a simple tag on the collar that could only be obtained with a prescription. Possibly different tags for different degrees of access. The tag wouldn't state the owner's disability, just that the dog was a service dog. Perhaps with a holographic state seal or something to make it hard to forge. 4. Doctors often over-prescribe, so by revoking the prescription if the dog misbehaves, the impact of people who pretend to need a service dog is limited. If they don't really need the dog, but it's well-behaved, no problem. If they just made something up so they can take their poodle to the movies and it wreaks havoc, their dog is considered malfunctioning equipment and the owner must use a different dog. This also protects doctors and insurance companies from lawsuits for not confirming each individual dog's suitability. The onus would be on the owner to ensure the dog's suitability and safety to the public. 5. The law could easily require all insurance companies to cover the cost of the prescription tag. Not the cost of the dog or its training, just the legal documentation allowing it public access. It would not be a burden on them, since such tags are cheap to make. 6. The law would also enable a ban on the sale of service dog vests/paraphernalia to anyone who did not provide proof of a service dog prescription. Unprotected terms, like assistance dog, therapy dog, emotional support dog, etc. would be unaffected. 7. Since a prescription tag is small and subtle, and most average people wouldn't notice it, it would work well for people who don't want their disability to be obvious. However, if a store owner wanted to confirm that the dog was a legit service dog, they could just ask to see the tag. No, "Is that a service dog?" and "What task does it perform?" and just taking the handler's word. Just, "Is that a service dog?" and "May I see its tag?" That's it. 8. If you are going to consider a dog to be medical equipment, you have to accept its regulation as such. There are many kinds of medical equipment that can't be obtained without a prescription. If fake service dogs are a problem, requiring real service dogs to be prescription-only is a viable solution.

​@Chocolate Covered Labrador ​You make some interesting points, thanks for sharing them. 1. That's like saying it's not a fake police officer; it's a civilian wearing a costume that looks like a public official. A person can fake a disability all they want as long as they aren't harming others, but the dogs are the issue here (AFAIK, no other medical equipment has been known to run away from its owner and attack other medical equipment), so it's appropriate to refer to the dogs as fake service dogs. Also, I don't think it's possible to prevent fraud without affecting honest people. It's also not possible to *ignore* fraud without affecting honest people. Personally, I'd rather have the lesser of those two evils. 2. My ideas would enable more enforcement than we currently have, so I disagree. 3. All people (including disabled people) are legally required to carry a prescription with their medicines proving the meds belong to them. There was a girl in my hometown who was arrested for having a single pill of adderall in her pocket. She had a prescription, but since she didn't have it with her, she was arrested for drug possession. I take tramadol for occasional severe pain. I often have to renew the prescription long before I actually run out of pills because I could be arrested if I carry them with an expired prescription. Do prescriptions not count as documentation? 4. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doctors don't currently prescribe service animals, so I think you're trolling me here. I am speaking to my own personal experience with many different doctors as well as a variety of news articles about over-prescription of painkillers. (I assume that if doctors are willing to over-prescribe drugs that could get them arrested, they are probably just as willing to over-prescribe other drugs and equipment.) Besides, even if the first three words of that paragraph are incorrect, the rest still stands. 5. Considering different options regarding the practical implementation of a policy is not drivel. In fact, not considering them results in policies with giant loopholes, like the current laws regarding service animals. 6. Well, you can't legally purchase a fake handicap parking tag online, can you? One of the problems people have mentioned about fake service dogs is that you can easily buy a vest that makes the dog look legitimate. If service dogs are allowed access to places where pets are not normally allowed, it should not be so easy for pets to be falsely labelled as service dogs. 7. It would be easy to make the service dog tag inconspicuous, no different from a rabies tag (except maybe a holographic seal on the back to make it hard to forge, as I mentioned). The dog would look like a regular dog unless the owner wanted otherwise. The only people who would examine the tag would be those who would have confronted the disabled person anyway. Except, instead of asking "Is that a service dog?" and "What task does it perform?", they would ask to see the tag and wouldn't even need to know what task the dog performed. The law could easily include an exception so the disabled person could refuse to show the tag if the person who asked was not in a position to deny access to the disabled person. In that case, a store manager could legally inspect the tag, but a store patron couldn't. That's more privacy protection than the current law provides. 8. I was using the general "you", not you specifically. If the law considers service animals to be medical equipment, then *we* must accept their regulation as such. You are correct that the law does not permit this as it stands. However, laws can be amended. If there is enough public support, a bill could be passed creating new restrictions on the use of service animals. If there is a high-profile case where a fake service dog attacks someone, people will want new laws. Unfortunately, the laws created in situations like that are often problematic. I propose we come up with something practical, effective, and minimally disruptive before that happens. Ounce of prevention, you know? Considering how many disabled people with service dogs are talking here in the comments about how fake service dogs negatively affect them, I don't think I'm being ablest by suggesting a solution.