Falcon 4 BMS Tutorial Going Defensive, Missile + AAA Evasion and Defense

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1:18 Types of threats and defenses
2:38 Concept of anti-aircraft artillery
4:14 In game: Defending AAA
7:41 Concept of radar guided missiles
9:55 Semi-Active missile defense vs aa-10a alamo
15:34 Semi-active missile defense theory continued
16:02 Active missile defense vs aa-12 adder
21:48 Semi-active SAM defense, sustained turn and basics
25:14 Kinetic missile defense
27:25 Overview and concept of masking and weapon envelope exit
29:05 Masking and weapon envelope exit defense
34:44 Heat seeking infrared missile concept
38:13 Heat seeking missile defense vs AA-11 archer
41:27 Defending manpads and threats below 15,000 (OCA strike)
45:33 Concept of ground fire
46:51 Proper ground attack while avoiding ground fire
52:24 Principles of Defense and conclusion
Threat guide:
www.krauselabs.net/dump/f4_thr...
Radar warning receiver (RWR) tutorial:
• Falcon 4 BMS Tutorials...
DISCLAIMER:
Just so it's understood, I made this video on realistic concepts of defending threats - there are some bugs/design issues in BMS which will contradict some specific examples. For instance, currently optical and radar guided AAA are equally as deadly and have no difference - regardless, the threat defense is the same, and you should train realistically. I made this video to show basic concepts of defense, not specific cases for the particular BMS version used in this video.
I also want to stress, as I mention in the video at several points, that this video is a demonstration of defense procedures against specific threat scenarios. You should not go out of your way to kinetically defeat a SAM when you can do a sustained turn away from it or drag it. Please keep this in mind as you watch - all of these scenarios assume you have been fired on, regardless of reason, but the wisest defender avoids the threat BEFORE it fires. I havn't had to defend an active missile launch in months of play - because I know when to go defensive and when to avoid a threat. Reading the RWR properly is key.

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@snras4927 10 жыл бұрын

you have the best tutorials out on the internet man, amen

@Cameron_the_Robot 4 ай бұрын

Many years later, still a great tutorial sir.

@PrimalBlueWolf 12 жыл бұрын

Beaming the missile refers to putting the missile on your 3-9 line, to drag it, to make it expend the maximum energy to fly to you. the missile will try to fly to you as quick as possible, by flying a lead pursuit course. this helps.

@blz346 12 жыл бұрын

This is your best work yet. Thank you for all the effort and time you've put in--every bms newbie appreciates it!

@MistorGator13 2 жыл бұрын

We do!

@raf444 12 жыл бұрын

Without a doubt the best tutorial you made so far

@mikavaliaho7143 5 жыл бұрын

Still excelent tutorial. Got back to flying again. This time in dcs, but this vid has it all so it's really best for learning all aspects of missile avoidance. Haven't found any tutorial which would handle this matter as extensive as this one. Nice job Krause.

@paedrufernando2351 3 жыл бұрын

This one hour saved my gaming life in sims...thank you

@Corsair8X 12 жыл бұрын

Quite clear, yes. That was the biggest "a-ha" moment in this video. Tooling around at stupid altitudes, not beaming someone as I'm approaching, etc. I was interested in this video because of all the trouble I would get I to. At the end of the video, I had a better understanding as to *why* I was getting into trouble in the first place. Now I have a better understanding of how to get out of trouble, but *even more* about staying out of trouble.

@ghostdog688 12 жыл бұрын

outstanding, krause. Just what 've been looking forward. I consider your BMS vids required viewing for anyone getting into BMS.

@TakeVI 12 жыл бұрын

Great job. This will become a classic training video.

@joshuathomas149 10 жыл бұрын

What a awesome instructional video! Thanks for making it.

@MustNotRead 12 жыл бұрын

great use of additional media. helps illustrate stuff. quality, thanks!

@Csilk 12 жыл бұрын

legendary video man, the principles of defense at the end is nicely said, all very nice wisdom to spread and share with everyone.

@Cyclist2012 7 жыл бұрын

Awesome Hour Spent, Thanks Krause!

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

If you're talking about active missile carrying aircraft, fire a fox 3 long, notch away so they are on the beam, then once the missile goes pitbull act as if you have been fired upon even if you don't see the M or hear a launch tone.

@amos2006 12 жыл бұрын

Excellent, i've been waiting for this, thank you very much

@GZA036 8 жыл бұрын

44:58 I read that the doctrine with BLU-107's and runways was NOT to attack directly down the axis of the runway, since that's what the enemy would be expecting. Instead the strategy was to hit it at a random angle and aim for an intersection

@lucasjm123 12 жыл бұрын

The first step to sucessfully finish a mission is to survive. Very very good! Thanks, it will help me a lot!!!

@Corsair8X 12 жыл бұрын

Great concepts here that I have always had troube with

@cyborg7758 5 жыл бұрын

Very nice tutorial. You are a good teacher

@lupahole 9 жыл бұрын

Nice vid, a side note, IF BY MISTAKE you get closer than 10miles against anything archer capable, cut your engines to idle no later than 7 miles. This will decrease the range they can shoot you at to about 2 miles, propably less, making head on evasion with brake+flares easier. Check in dogfight mode with acmi reviewing. Also, always make sure you are lower than him so that his seeker looks at the ground, this plays a big difference.

@deflyboyreturns 11 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate your videos man. Thank you.

12 жыл бұрын

@patsplats Tanit you have any tutorial on Bullseye? I can not understand this reference.

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

@Corsair8X Yeah I hope the "what not do" came across clear enough, a lot of the situations in this video I put myself in in order to demonstrate a defense, but the best defense is knowing how to avoid these threats before they fire on you and put you in a compromising situation. I hope it's clear that you should not go out of your way to kinetically defeat a SAM, and it's much better to be fired on at long range and then do sustained terms or to avoid it all together.

@SPBurt1 9 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the very informative video.

@Corsair8X 12 жыл бұрын

Sorry, hit send by accident... Great concepts here that I always had trouble with. Now some things are a lot clearer - especially the "what not to do's". As someone else said, great use of additional materials to illustrate your point.

@33skoalbandit 12 жыл бұрын

This is just fantastic, thanks.

@sjos691 4 жыл бұрын

How do you get the HMCS to lock onto the missile, so you can see it. Like at 25:59

12 жыл бұрын

Tanit you have any tutorial on Bullseye? I can not understand this reference.

@ZaidAlKalaldeh 11 жыл бұрын

i wanna ask please answer me...how i can know from which side the rocket come to me not the radar one ..i mean sidewinder ..ect

@mickellemastra 12 жыл бұрын

Tanit, at 38.00 against all aspect when u turn away and dropping flares, u have to close afterburner? When you flight on a coop mission against other teams, how do u know how much all aspect missiles your enemy have?

@Unwinder66 12 жыл бұрын

Nice tuto but what about face to face dogfight when you fire a missile and the opponent too but you don't want to do an half turn? like a recent pvp dogfight i made, i fly the M2K vs a F16B52, and i shoot my missiles "EM" and my opponent do the same, i do an half turn for escape but he continued straight ahead an dodge my missiles how did he do this?

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

@SPORThbb bullseye is an arbitrary position in a theater chosen by the theater commanders, all positions are referred to in reference to the bullseye: bullseye (bearing to) for (range to) Commonly referred to in a BRAA (pronounced "brah") call. Bearing Range (both to bullseye) Altitude Attitude, i.e. bulls 048 for 63, 22,000, hot.

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

@johnnyblaze410 about 10-20% of your total. You should be able to run a program 5-6 times before you are out. That being said, some systems are highly susceptible to countermeasures and you won't need as much. An SA-7 can be reasonably defeated by 1-2 flares, but an SA-16/SA-14/AA-11 require 5-8 flares. Check out the PDF guide in the video description for specifics on each system. When in doubt, dump more.

@Equilibrium9415 12 жыл бұрын

So should I rather try an Off-Boresight HMCS Shot once I'm somewhat in range and run? Similar to the BVR tactics?

@MistorGator13 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Krause..... it's helpful. I THINK you KNOW that!!! We kinda NEED ya man!

@zegato19 9 жыл бұрын

AMAZING!!! GREAT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Equilibrium9415 12 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the efforts! Especially for the "Archer & Adder-Defense for Dummies"-Part. I can finally dogfight something more interesting than a MiG-23 with heaters properly. ;) Cheers! -Spooky, 1st VFW

@PrimalBlueWolf 12 жыл бұрын

do all missiles have an effective HOJ mode? also I was advised that the yellow chevron on the FCR refers to a jamming contact. correct? is there any missile which a jamming pod can affect?

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

I would say tone is the most important factor in a fox2 kill, if it's inside the DLZ and you have good tone, might as well fire.

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

Depends what sort of missile you are talking about. Did you fire a rear aspect heater like the aim-9p at him? If so, that's why.

@-_Nuke_- 6 жыл бұрын

I give you 10 lives for this video!

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

@patsplats You need to configure your data cartridge. See my data cartridge and controls tutorial. The CMS switch will do nothing until you configure countermeasure programs via the cartridge.

@kk34253 12 жыл бұрын

did you use any mod for the displays at 51:05 and TAC view?

@Ghillie1337 11 жыл бұрын

how do i apply chaff?

@xKil53Lx 12 жыл бұрын

Great tutorial! One question hot do you use tactical view like in 22:57?

@ZaidAlKalaldeh 9 жыл бұрын

chaff vulnerability ,it means that the ability of aircraft to avoid the sam by chaff is medium ? or the ability of sam to avoid chaff is medium ?

@mohsinraza8160 4 жыл бұрын

Please describe the different sounds.

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

The gamey way is to use padlocking (4 on your keyboard) or to use the incoming missile cam - the realistic way is to do be conservative - be defensive for as long as possible. At what range are the migs firing at you? if they are close, weaving and dragging is not the correct defense- break turn + counter measures is.

@PLatMed 11 жыл бұрын

thanks, really helpful!

@johnnyblaze410 12 жыл бұрын

@tanit Thanks for the advice. I've been enjoying watching you guys fly as much as flying by myself. So I've been thinking about possibly trying out for a virtual flight squad sometime in the future and my question is that do you have a squad or you just fly with friends? What would it take to fly with you guys?

@DEViANCEHiPPO 10 жыл бұрын

What is changing aspect exactly? Sorry if it's a stupid question ;)

@mickellemastra 12 жыл бұрын

Nice tut, but why we dont need ECM against radar guided missiles?

@Duke49th 12 жыл бұрын

Nice Tutorial :)

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

Don't try to visually spot them first, do a defensive maneuver and create as much space as possible as in the video. You can worry about spotting once the missile is behind the 3/9 line in order to drag it more effectively - but any seconds you waste flying toward the missile increase the chance of probability of kill substantially.

@Istari0825 11 жыл бұрын

nice video

@waffamoto 11 жыл бұрын

IR missiles (such as Sidewinders) are passive missiles; that is, there are no radar emissions required by the aircraft or generated by the missile itself in order to lock. This makes sense because IR seekers absorb heat energy (instead of emitting radio energy) to find its target. As such, there are no radio waves for the RWR to absorb and therefore no instrumental way to detect IR missiles. Awareness is the best detector. Wikipedia has a decent enough missile guidance systems article.

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

@Corsair8X In other words, I did not go over "tactics" that much in this video - because it's such a huge topic. It just assumes that you have been fired on for whatever reason and should respond accordingly.

@MegaFalcon16 11 жыл бұрын

Dude u rock. massive help! may have to look nto getting BMS. The radar on AF seems to be incredibly unreliable.

@mqr507 7 жыл бұрын

How do you defend against an Alamo or Adder if you don't have the altitude to perform a split-s? Is notching a good idea?

@tanit 7 жыл бұрын

Raza break turn away from the missile after notching

@patrikrenmark 12 жыл бұрын

Great tutorial again Tanit, Thanks! But are the sounds from your RWR the original BMS ones?

@revious83 12 жыл бұрын

Nice Tutorial! Do these tactics work in other flight sims, like Lockon FC2 or the Strike Fighters Series?

@MrSephiroth85 11 жыл бұрын

from what site pleas? PB?

@danielinokoba5655 7 жыл бұрын

men you are good awesome video learn alot for your channel

@PrimalBlueWolf 12 жыл бұрын

Tanit, you claim that the ALQ-131 or 184 only serve to decrease the range at which you can be acquired by radar platforms? and that they will not affect Missiles in the air, just being acquired by radar platforms? is there any associated HUD or MFD symbology related to the Jamming pod?

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@johnnyblaze410 12 жыл бұрын

Nice vid, Krause. Could you be more specific on "large amount of flares/chaff"? I mean how much is enough? Thanks

@hmuphilly9129 3 жыл бұрын

Where can i find this game?

@Equilibrium9415 12 жыл бұрын

I know how to deal with Adders, won plenty of BVR engagements, no worries. ;) What I mean is with Sidewinder X vs Archer - Should I try an early off-boresight shot when somewhat within the DLZ and then rush away just like it was an Adder? As in doing a preventive Split-S and Flaring like a nerd?

@VeteransGaming 12 жыл бұрын

nice vid

@Csilk 12 жыл бұрын

nice thank you.

@RioFalconBmsBrasil 10 жыл бұрын

Hello!! Thank you for helping us!! Let me ask you something: When I'm approaching the enemy area, should i turn my radar to silence? Does it influence anything? Can i turn my jammer on with radar on silence mode? Thank you!

@tanit 10 жыл бұрын

Radar will allow you to be seen by other radars at longer distances. You can turn your jammer on while the radar is silent - it's an independent system. Ultimately your jammer should be off if you are attempting to infiltrate enemy air space as it will give you a bigger radar "footprint". If you get jumped by enemy turn it back on.

@KFieLdGaming 7 жыл бұрын

Can anyone explain to me what the green/yellow/red icons are that appear to the left/right of the HUD are? On those vertical light "pods". Don't know what they're called and this is one area of the F-16 cockpit I've always been curious about. I know most of the other systems and what they do or represent, but not these. What do those icons mean? Does it have something to do with angle of attack levels?

@tanit 7 жыл бұрын

Fifty0ne angle of attack indicator

@PrimalBlueWolf 7 жыл бұрын

They are called 'indexers'. The one on the left is a rough AoA indicator. The green circle means you are at approximately 13 degrees alpha. Red is over 13 degrees, yellow is less than 12. The right indexer displays various indications, such as having an open AAR door, having an AAR disconnect, or having NWS active.

@mqr507 6 жыл бұрын

Fifty0ne basically when your landing, if the lower light is lit you need to increase AoA (decrease speed) and if the upper light is lit you need to decrease AoA (increase speed)

@tanit 11 жыл бұрын

Newer RWRs such as the AN/ALQ-156 actually have a MAW (missle approach warning) system, that can track launches by their flash or actually using a doppler beam radar. DCS a-10c models this where there is an indication and track of an incoming IR missile. Unfortunately the "launch" indication is very unreliable from what I have read, and most a-10 pilots ignore it, as it can be indicated from bright reflections off windows etc.

@Csilk 12 жыл бұрын

tanit explain a doppler beam defense as there is no reference to this anywhere on the internet.

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

In any sim which is realistic, yes.

@ghassenebelhaj3807 10 жыл бұрын

Awsome guide mate, just one question, Which missile has the longer range, the adder or the Aim-120? and can the ECM jammer limit the adder tracking time while active?

@tanit 10 жыл бұрын

The adder outranges the aim120 but the adder has a longer support range and does not have independent guidance before it goes fully active. Ecm will delay the enemy from being able to shoot you but jammer itself cannot defeat the missile.

@BigMobe 12 жыл бұрын

For some reason the first thing that came to mind when I saw this video, was the rabbit from Star Fox saying "Do a barrel roll."

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

Uhm if he flew right into the missile, no idea how he survived. There is a chance you can avoid missiles at any range by rolling - but its a small chance. There is also Doppler beam defense, but it's extremely hard to perform and still requires some lateral turning.

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

No, you probably just had an aspect change and that's why it lost the lock. If you were flying level and turned on your jammer, and it broke lock, I would like to see footage/acmi of that.

@robertchevli1302 5 жыл бұрын

SA2 is not semi active guidance, it's COMMAND line of sight, or COMMAND onto LOS depending on missile firing mode

@TheFietek 10 жыл бұрын

What's the Website at 28:12? Looks great!

@tanit 10 жыл бұрын

That's the threat guide linked in the description.

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

Oh woops didn't see you said Archer in the original comment. Uhm, my recommendation would be to 1. Stay outside of fox 2 envelope if possible and kill with FOX 3 2. If in envelope, maintain constant visual contact on the bandit 3. Fire fox2 as quickly as possible when you have good tone and beam, re-attack if necessary 4. Generously pop defensive flares, both preemptively and a ton of flares when you lose visual on the contact

@AmruMagdy 3 ай бұрын

الله 👌💯

@nihao123456ftw 7 жыл бұрын

i found this video randomly on the google my poor little brain hurts

@nihao123456ftw 7 жыл бұрын

this is reallt interesting though

@thebrain7441 7 жыл бұрын

When defending against missiles make no mistake, speed is your greatest asset, chaff and flares don't even come close, at least in my experience in BMS.

@moneyeye24 2 жыл бұрын

Is it realistic to kinetically outrun a missile? and even the missile misses the 1st time, it will steer to chase the pilot in real life. What would you say the realistic possibility to successfully escape from a missile in real air combats?

@tanit 2 жыл бұрын

At range yes

@633striker 12 жыл бұрын

@tanit U R A GENIUS! \m/ \m/ R.E.S.P.E.C.T!

@xKil53Lx 12 жыл бұрын

how*

@stefanogrillo6040 6 жыл бұрын

did you studied evasive manuver??

@TaiganTundra 5 жыл бұрын

Did you study grammar?

@TheSateef 10 жыл бұрын

awesome video, i'll have to watch this 10x times to learn all this stuff. but that voice "betty". that's just too much 'chafe flare, altitude, pull up, etc, etc, etc), how do you turn down the volume on all that?

@tanit 10 жыл бұрын

You don't.

@callsignfreckles2979 5 жыл бұрын

@Krause good answer lol (you can, but. Don't. Lol)

@angel_machariel 12 жыл бұрын

Cool story bro. Puncuationis would help.

@davideroversi702 10 жыл бұрын

Awesome video man! Just a question: if I'm facing a mig 29 (he's coming directly at me at my 12 o'clock) and I'm going to engage a dogfight, what's the best thing to do? Activating the jammer and locking on him with heatseekers? locking him with aim 120s? Just putting him on beam, deploying countermeasures, doing a Split-s and burning away? And if I have to do all these things, which is the best order to win the dogfight? Thanks a lot! P.s sorry for my English, if there's something wrong. I hope you understand :)

@tanit 10 жыл бұрын

IF you are certain it's a mig-29A go head on, gain speed and fire a fox-3 medium. If you think it may be a su-27 or mig-29s, both of which have dangerous long range radar missiles, do a fox 3 long then notch away from them. Put them on the gimbal limits of your radar until pitbull, then go defensive.

@davideroversi702 10 жыл бұрын

Ok thanks a lot

@1minecraftcool 11 жыл бұрын

hey dude, i think your realy good! U can play very well, You just urned ur self 1 more subscriber Btw: R u a piolet?

@tanit 12 жыл бұрын

@johnnyblaze410 google united operations - go to our forum, go to united operations air force. We fly every weekend, usually saturday, at 2000 GMT, have pickup games at random times through the week and have occasional special training sessions. IN order to fly with us you must be able to take off, fly off someone's wing, do CCIP bombing and fire air to air missiles.

@kanskejonasidag1 9 жыл бұрын

So "putting him on the beam" basically means positioning yourself in a certain angle towards him? (10 and 2 o'clock)? But you still have to have him at your 12 to fire your amraam right? Also, "burn", does that mean afterburners? Cause you seemed to turn a lot when you were supposed to burn, and that doesn't add up. Anyway, thanks for the video. I don't play this, but I'm very interested in how modern aircombat works :)

@wax88 9 жыл бұрын

Yes, you fire the 120 by aiming at him, but notice that he beams right after he launches and then going into a split-S after that.Also, I think by "burn", he refers to "turn and burn" as in turning rapidly.

@Android811 7 жыл бұрын

The beam is 3 or 9 o'clock, (right angles) it's an old nautical term. Turning in an aircraft uses up energy, (reduces speed) so you counteract it by increasing throttle.

@kylerx7 11 жыл бұрын

You don't even need an ISO drive or winrar just use peazip and unpack the iso into a folder and use that folder as the location :P

@nitaihativa213 8 жыл бұрын

I'm haveing real trubole detecting patriot launches in the isreali theater, keep getting shot out of the sky out of nowhere at 25000ft by them :( any help? I did try to follow the video as much as I could but I still get shot...

@nitaihativa213 8 жыл бұрын

it happens to me at all sorts of ranges and in any alt, and the tone on the rwr never changes from the initial contact, it's really wierd to me. we are talking about pop - up threats thougth...

@tanit 7 жыл бұрын

IF you have a patriot RWR you should assume you have been fired on, go defensive immediately by performing a split-s and if its close, immediate nose low dive to NOE and terrain mask.

@nitaihativa213 7 жыл бұрын

Krause i'll try to do that, thanks!