Imagine waking up as Mr House about 170 years after the bombs dropped, only to find out all of Vegas is filled with mutants.

I love the irony with this ending in relation to the master's plans. The master wanted to unify people under a new race, but by becoming a threat to humanity, he's inadvertently unified everyone against him. He achieved his goal, just not the way he wanted.

An alternate history of alternate history. *Now* you're thinking with portals.

A similar scenario could occur if vault 13 never had a problem with the water chip. In fallout 2 it’s mentioned in vault 8’s computer records that vault 8 was supplied with a surplus of water chips due to some kind of shipment error. If the water chips were distributed evenly between the vaults as intended then it could also result in this alternate history scenario.

Last time I was this early the Enclave still had Raven Rock

I really like the idea of a Enclave-Brotherhood alliance

One goal, one purpose, one people. Unity

Mr House might wake up if the Master’s army entered Nevada. I believe he said the reason why he went online is because he detected the NCR entering Vegas and knew he had to greet them and show them he was not something they could just conquer.

Remember this, the Enclave have access to ICBM's and a space laser. There is no doubt in my mind they would end the world a second time.

The hopeful ending in a nutshell The master:your already a mutant, ready to join us Frank horrigan:time to die mutie The master and 5 other super mutants: *do 500 damage in a turn* Frank horrigan: *laughs* that tickled *one shots the master with his hands*

Enclave-Brotherhood Alliance just sounds so good for some reason

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I’ve thought about this too and also concluded that the Brotherhood and the Enclave would team up eventually to take on the Master, with the two groups either becoming staunch allies or maybe turning on each other after the common threat had been eliminated.

Finally someone actually notes where on the timeline X-01sits and why we don't see it in older games.

Interesting stuff. My thoughts were simply "well it doesn't matter since the Enclave will just genocide everyone in 80 years" before this, but you've given me more to think about

Now, depending on how badly the Enclave wants the FEV, they can also just drop some bombs on the main door so all the mutants inside die off and the Master loses access to the FEV. Or if they really want it yeah assault the base

>Unity arrives in Washington >LIBERTY PRIME, ONLINE

"Because I think it'd be cool to see, we'll say Mariposa is heavily guarded by all the monstrosities that the FEV could create." Based.

That’s an interesting “what if” scenario… The Enclave and The Brotherhood fighting side by side… now that is a crazy scenario I wish we could get a game set in. Mind if I do some thinking? I imagine that The Enclave, now that the Super Mutant threat is greatly diminished, would begin slowly folding themselves into the Brotherhood to replace the BOS losses. This would not only allow the Brotherhood to go on the offensive, but make sure The Enclave can have their foot in the door, so to say. Assuming Enclave personnel rise the ranks fast enough, it’s possible The Elders may be exiled from the Brotherhood by the Enclave, as the Brotherhood is rebranded the “US Army, LA Division.” From there, The Enclave begins rebuilding the city using their superior technology, and slowly make their way North, conquering the last few settlements (some bloodless) while exterminating the last of the Super Mutants. They also repair infrastructure as they go, setting up safer trade routes, activating SkyNet, and ultimately Liberate the states of California, Oregon, and Washington. From there… isn’t it obvious? Move East, retaking Cheyenne Mountain, Vegas, Dallas, New Orleans, Miami, Charlotte, Atlanta… eventually, the whole of America is Liberated, with roughly 40% of all infrastructure rebuilt. I say 40% because the Enclave would need to tear apart the crumbled buildings to make new ones… and they would focus on restoring the Railroads, as those can allow for faster transit of resources than by foot, and would serve as the primary mode of transit for the everyday Americans. Vertibird bases and airports would still be repaired, but used solely by the Politicians and Military until the factory situation catches up. I also believe that they would focus on railroads so heavily due to America’s history with Manifest Destiny. The people went out into the wilderness with horse trains, followed by *railroads,* with cars and planes coming waaaay later due to the technology catching up.

I personally think it'd be interesting if the calculator's robots fought the institute, or even 4's mechanist, but I think their means of production would be too far apart from one another to reach eachother effectively.

So now someone needs to make an XCOM mod where you're fighting the Master's Army as the Enclave.

What is the NCR never existed? What if The Institute wasn’t real, but fear of the institute was?

We need another mutant threat to the Fallout series. Having your main enemy be a monstrosity and knowing losing will result in humanity being mutated is a freaky thing to think about. I'd love to have that eeriness in the game again. Fallout 4/76 just seemed too "hopeful" Seeing a rogue AI would be a cool idea too (I'm looking at you Calculator)

That would be an interesting ending.

The enclave and fallout 4's chapter of the brotherhood would definitely team up against the institute if given the option and if needed.

Or, the Enclave can just infect the entire Wasteland's water supply that kills all mutants..

One big problem with this video: we don’t need to speculate on what would have happened in FO1 and its factions in the case of the victory of the unity, as cut content found in the game’s files tell us precisely this outcome: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdOqhtmi2rjQZH0.html Simply put, the Boneyard, Necropolis, Hub Junktown, Shady Sands and even Lost Hills are wiped out in the following order after the start of the game: Bone Yard - 90 days Necropolis- 110 days Hub - 140 days Lost Hills - 170 days Junktown - 210 days Shady Sands - 230 days Vault 13 - 500 days (400 days if water caravans are hired, which provide the location earlier to the Super Mutants). Most of the population is wiped out, with the exception of the BoS, where you find a single surviving Paladin outside the bunker, who says that a few scouting parties and patrolling Paladins were away at the time of the attack, but so few of them are left that at this point “the Brotherhood is dead”. The video also includes the corresponding ending slides for these groups and a few details, such as the Super Mutants capturing the BoS advanced weapons, but taking a long time to figure how to use them due to their low intelligence. Also, the raiders do manage to pull themselves together and continue their activities. So basically, no BoS, no NCR, raiders do survive and the Super Mutants slowly learn how to use the BoS hi-tech weapons. On the other hand, it would be interesting to know what the Master would eventually do if he later figured out on his own that Super Mutants can’t reproduce.

I want to hear more of these Fallout Alternate History/Universes

The Algorithm is being generous with me rn

I'd love to see the Aftermath of a Enclave-Brotherhood Victory where the Enclave might eventually try to use Gene therapy or something like that to try to repair the damaged genes from Radiation. Would be nice to see it, probably wouldn't happen but imo a nice idea.

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When Fallout 4 dlc's came out, I had hopes for a Mutation Workshop. Similar to the Vault-Tec Workshop dlc, it would have a mission setting. You would start with Strong or a random Super Mutant asking you to help them. Because the Super Mutants of the Commonwealth were the results of the Institute experimenting on FEV, the Super Mutants lack the means to re-produce. They would ask the Sole Survivor to become their new leader by taking over the town of West Everett Estates from Hammer. Once done, you become the new Master tasked to eliminate the rival Mutant Bosses around the map and bring more mutants under your rule. Even capturing humans for slave labor, food or as new mutants. And if you have access to the Institute, you'd be tasked to retrieve tanks of the FEV stored in the abandoned section of Bio Science. With the FEV, you would gain access to the Mutant Workbench. Much like the Robot Workbench, the Mutant Workbench gives you the means to create or become your own mutant creature; Super Mutant, Ghoul etc.

If this did happen and the brotherhood and enclave took over the US together, would they become 2 separate political party's or would they be entirely separate? If so I can imagine the brotherhood not wanting to invade china while the enclave does, thus creating in-fighting

This reminds me of a really cool reddit thread where the OP explored what would happen in the future games if the Master had won. Some highlights i remember were House-BOS alliance, the formation of a new Enclave government in DC after their retreat from the West Coast, and the Enclave encountering the Institute.

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I honestly wish we had a fallout with the Enclave as one of the good factions. And I’m not talking about them being included like in New Vegas, like a major faction that determines your ending

A classic Enclave-BOS alliance to fight off the Master's army would be a cool idea for a game/mod,and would make for a radically different postgame fallout universe. The Enclave is out of hiding and maybe the two hightech factions fighting a costly war to prevent a grim fate would likely be the beginning of some actual postwar reconstruction instead of a bunch of factions larping in the ruins of the old world. If we factor in the new factions ability to access things like Big MT and the Seirra Madre (vertibird go zoom) to grab the hyperadvanced tech installed in each,they may very well could hit a full post scarcity civilization with prewar population density figures in the westcoast and extensive colonization of the east coast by 2250. Hell if you throw the reawakening of Mr House and recovery of the platinum chip in their normal times we could very well see lunar colonies and massive efforts to clean up the remaining heavily irradiated areas in the CONUS by 2300. Not to mention the fact that the new America would not by the rapidly declining dystopia it had become by 2077,but something completely new built on a nearly clean slate.

Amazing video, but here are a couple of points that could change your conclusion. 1) Limited growth of Unity. Mutants are sterile because of FEV, it's likely only real manpower expansion would be capturing new humans or farming them. Capturing new humans would be possible up to a certain point until the effects of military attrition would be felt. Farming people and then turning them into mutants, would work under exponential law i.e. incredibly slow at the start. In real-world developing nations population grows at 3-4% yearly and this is with proper medicine and food, and not in a radioactive wasteland. Considering a low mutation success rate, it would mean that initial force growth would be very slow. This is confirmed in Fallout universe as it took master about 50 years to make a dozen or so mutants. All this means that mutant forces are weakest at the start and only grow stronger, but this growth works on a long enough scale. Where Unity forces would have a real problem is with officers. In-universe mostly prime mortals would be smart enough to lead any tactical unit, the average mutant is quite dumb. Without officers, it would be just a huge bunch of orks that could be destroyed by any proper military units very fast. Even basic concentration of forces would require a certain level of military command structure, not even talking about more developed strategies. This could remove any manpower or firepower advantage that the mutant army could have. And master's army really struggles in this regard, as at best they could field about 50-60 military-worthy officers after they found Vault 13 (this is with removing any future farming potential). And it would only get worse from this point. 2) Strength of Brotherhood. Brotherhood on the other hand would have peak strength at the beginning of the conflict. Limitation on brotherhood would be equipment, as they mostly rely on scavenging, not producing military equipment. After people realize the threat of mutants, mobilization of nearby cities would start and everyone who can carry a rifle would be joining their resistance, most likely as a part of Brotherhood forces. With both of these in mind, if what we see in-game (or told, cause amount of characters in-game is much smaller than the universe would imply), it would be a face-off between 500-1000 mutants, with little tactics other than raiding or sieging settlements vs the organized force of perhaps 5k-10k mobilized soldiers, with about 500 paladins. Initially, expansion of Unity would be really slow, as settlements when getting to know the threat would be evacuating or brotherhood using the scorched earth tactic. Human forces would only grow, as raiders and other communities would be joining the military under Brotherhood, as Unity threat grows closer. Result: I doubt that Unity could expand fast enough to overwhelm Brotherhood. In-game elders are too slow to respond, but this is mostly because they had no real encounters with mutants. With the proper mobilization of forces by Brotherhood and nearby communities and the use of tactics, the mutant army would lose. They don't even have to assault the FEV base or master, as cutting down their growth would be enough. Even if it's not true and master's forces would overwhelm communities nearbly, Enclave would most likely face the threat and do the same thing - cut down the potential growth of mutant manpower by evacuation or *removing* towns and eventually starving mutants to death. Assault at FEV base is an interesting option but functionally would be the same and only accelerate the process. In any case, Brotherhood or Encalve would defeat Unity and would greatly expand their influence. Brotherhood could become similar to Vault City but bigger, more advanced, and with a much bigger population (assuming assimilation of Hub and such). This could mean faster recovery of civilization to something similar to pre-war America(as a brotherhood is influenced by pre-war America) or most of the west coast being under influence of fascist militaristic fanatic Brotherhood(there are parts of brotherhood that are closer to fascist isolationist, as one of Fallout ending confirms). In the case of Enclave, that would most likely accelerate their plans, and the story of Fallout 2 would happen much earlier, but with no "chosen one" to stop them.

Would be cool if the old school Fallout games worked like the Mass Effect games, where the basic story changes but your character's actions that you made yourself have ripple effects throughout the series.

Quite the interesting thought experiment. Though, I would predict a few key events differently: At one point you argued that the brotherhood would perceive the Mutants as such a threat that they would go in full and protect the hub. Afaik, the brotherhood does not really care about protecting people and, as you yourself put it, protecting the hub would lead to a sieged position with the only prospect of likely being annihilated slowly but surely. Thus, I would say that the brotherhood instead would use the hub as bait to occupy the bulk of the mutant army while they go in full to attack the enemys headquarters. The results of that battle would determine the future of the wasteland. In any case, the victor would be severely weakend and it may lead to something similar to the ncr in the region. Similarly. if the brotherhood is in the hub as you envision it, I would assume that the enclave would use them as bait for the army while doing a full on strike on mariposa base. No need for cooperation, which I btw find unlikely. Although, this attack would basically come out of nowhere for the master. So it could work very well. But in both of these scenarios, the number of now leaderless super mutants on the west coast would be far greater than it is in the original fallout series, which would make an interesting setting.

It’s good to know that even without a “chosen one” or legendary vault dweller hero, another force would still rise to combat the evil horde

Well possible continuation here but, with the Enclave likely wanting a sample of the FEV from Maraposa they would likely discover its capabilities, when it comes to the creation of super soldiers and its ability to form an anti mutant plague. With this its likely that the Enclave would come to the same plan to purify the world as in the normal fallout timeline as they would see this as the best way to save what was left of humanity by killing them before they could be changed into mutants especially since the master had turned so meany by this point. The only difference we could have is if the Enclave choose to save the brotherhood or let them die with the mutants. If the brotherhood is saved then the Enclave would have a large militarised force already on the main land with a large civilian population ready to start rebuilding. If they choose to not warn and save the Brotherhood then the Enclave would try to repopulate on their own but with such a small population such efforts would be slow but they would lack any form of competition.

I've been wanting to see some fallout content like this for a long time, good stuff.

Great videos dude. I've been playing since 1998, these are definitely my current go-to for Lore videos.

Great video hope you do more like it

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Now this could be a fun game. Hell they could do the same with 76 with the Brotherhood and Enclave.

very awesome what if style of video!

I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for making it!

I've thought about this many times before. Great video.

Awsome concept :D

7:36 Wait you can enter those?

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If the enclave at its fallout 2 strength fought the Master I think they would annihilate the masters army with stuff like advanced power armor and frank horrigan there would be no chance for the master

An continuous from this hopeful ending would be interesting... With brotherhood and enclave being together It would be interesting to see the aftermath and how different the ending and events of the other fallouts would be....

Alternative history for fallout is a great series idea keep these coming dude

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I don't see a lot of people talking about The Legion. It might have a harder time forming with the unity expanding, but if The Brotherhood and Enclave can stop the Unity's expansion, or atleast slow it down for like 95 years (I know I'm stretching it). Ceasars legion just might form. It'll certainly be difficult and the culture may be different given the fact that Ceasar comes from the followers and they might be completely wiped out by this point, and if you're this far into this comment you can see that I've givin up because this is basically impossible. Either way I'd love to see Shrek vs Latin dude dressed as an OU Sooner.

i love this stuff

I’m really loving these What if...? Vids

nice video ! i would like to watch more of these (alternate history of the fallout lore)

asuming bethesda learns to have some creative thought with the fallout ip this wouldnt be a bad spinoff in the series

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I hope you make more of these videos !

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I would love to see a part 2 for this one, involving Mr. House, and the NCR, and, heck, even the East Coast factions such as the Minutemen and Institute.

I think you did it. You made the best outcome fallout could ever see. It’s a shame the Enclave and the brotherhood had to fight because Bethesda thought it would be cool to see power armor soldier vs power armor soldier.

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even if the master won super mutants are sterile they will die out with time

wouldn't the enclave just use a bio weapon? I mean they developed them before. Also we seem to be missing out on the possibility of the enclave going deeper inlands to secure weapons of mass destruction, like pre war nukes or the helios one laser, and consequently using them to destroy the cathedral.

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This was a very interesting take, I never really thought about “what if” the vault dweller failed

if this had been made into a fallout game and obsidian produce it. It would probly be one of the best fallout game in there

The masters voice lines are epic

Enclave vs. the Master. Such a cool concept. Thank you for this video!

That was a pretty interesting and thought-provoking take that could have repercussions far into D.C. (F3) and the Mojave (FNV) depending on the outcome. Nice work :D

could you make a part 2 that explores maybe mr house/ the east coast dealing with this

Next time can you please do what if the bombs never dropped in the fallout universe.

Excellent alternate timeline, thank you

Great analysis, thank you!

Wait wait wait how could he win if all mutants r sterile

Dude can you please make more of these? I’ve been imagining fallout alternate history scenarios in my head since I played fallout 3. Can you make a timeline where the lone wanderer is killed and the enclave takes over project purity successfully? Edit: this video was terrific. Keep it up 👍

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Very interesting theory vid man!

Egh, he didnt win, and now we have a bigger threat, and i'm not talking about Caesars Legion... We need to stop Schizo Elijah and his goons from doing shitposts, seriously, he is insane, thats why he is Schizo. Back in a day called himself Nordic Joshua Graham, and was doing great videos about DIY, package openings, rap, and crack.

the courier United almost all factions ncr won destroying mr.house and legion In fallout new Vegas, brotherhood railroad and minutemen, won in fallout 4 destroying institute, this is best ending for both those games = my head cannon

fallout alternate history is something we need more of

that was epic. thank you for going into detail about this subject i thought about it too

"The unity" sounds like a metaphor for forced globalization.

A very interesting video, much enjoyed

tho hard fought there would also be mr houses robots and even the legion, and because the NCR would not have exsisted the legion would most likely had taken control of new vegas and even possibly mr houses robots, and with the added tribal power it could be safe to say that the legion if smart (using the landscape like the canyons and rivers) they could ambush many of the mutants and if they fail, theres always the chance of their being much more powerful factions in places like texas (if its as gun friendly in fallout as in real life before the war many of those guns and ways of thinking might survive) there would also be east coast chapters of BOS like the Chicago and Appalachian chapters, also the east coast enclave who after learning about the west coast might be more open to supporting the people in a fight and they had much more progress with controlling deathclaws a valuable weapon against supermutents however if the master reaches the super mutents in dc that would end the us

i love alliance of bos and enclave, great video!

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9:28 Alongside the Enclave, there's also the Midwest Chapter of the BOS from Fallout Tactics(Who control everything from Chicago to the rockies), the collection of settlements around the Great Salt Lake mentioned in Van Buren, the Texan Chapter of the BOS from the PS2 game, New Vegas, and the various raider tribes in Colorado that would have eventually become the Legion in the future.