do what if more of the military stayed in the USA

what weapon are you using here

BoS was just small unit shortly after great war , US Army was still active.

Same just imagine all the possible factions that could be made from the remnants of people from military bases maybe there could be a possible faction comprised of multiple military bases that were left behind by the enclave to die but instead came together to survive establishing their own government maybe calling themselves the “United remains of *insert state here*” yet they’d be far from one another and could have their own political differences from isolation and sometimes get on the brink of war with each other but never follow with it knowing how much power they have and how destructive and costly it would be on them and the locals

@@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747 I'm sure that factions like this existed but they just died along with old world.Many bases were abonded / deserted because Soldiers knew that this locations will be a target and they just go AWOL.Also most of millitary died during Great war trying to help people and maintain chaos.

I'm just imagining a "Peta reminants" faction killing post-apocaliptic animals.

Mostly BOS, enclave kill those who are not one of them.

Until your ships run out of fuel and suddenly your stuck out at sea

@@undercover1790 Most of the ships are probably fusion-powered. As long as they can raid military depots and buildings for supplies like Fusion Cores, they'll probably be fine.

there's a battleship concept in the fallout 4 artbook, looks a little bit derpy but at the same time kind of cool. would love to see the navy in a future fallout game, who knows, maybe Uss Enterprise CV-6 was preserved as a museum ship and reactivated in the fallout universe, preserving her. would be awesome to see.

Far harbor does have us submarine called the uss democracy

@@ussneworleans7490 I meant more like an operational one, but you are correct.

I'll be covering what I think happened to navy and military high command soon. I didn't cover them in this video because it's meant to be just the lore of what happened, not theorizing. As for the scorched, I really don't have an answer about them, they're probably the survivors from the nuclear silos, but why they're still wearing the codes obviously doesn't make sense, but it also means they must have been part of an active unit at least past 2084 because they're infected with the scorched plague while still wearing their uniforms.

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the air force personel likely ended up joining the responders

Navy probably didn't have a great time and were killed by Fallout at sea. On a warship your options are to seal it up and suffocate or embrace the rads. Aircraft in the air definitely didn't have a good time. In real life the Air Force is responsible for the nukes. In Appalachia those guys were the personnel responsible for the codes when time came to launch.

@@TheOmegaInitiative Fallout 2 mentioned that one of the west coast fleets joined with the oil rig. Fallout 4 Far Habor also mentions via terminals a submarine captain being chastized post-war, and the dude chastising him appears to be a local East Coast Fleet Admiral talking about linking up with the command or something along those lines. As for the Brotherhood, Fallout 3 mentions the Chicago Brotherhood from tactics by name once and said that they split off from the Brotherhood and went radio silent. Fallout 4 mentions the airfleet that crashed to become the Chicago Brotherhood on the Prydwen. Here is some proof of my claims. While Bethesda has made tactics noncanon, (I mean, it had hairy deathclaws; I honestly understand,) they also directly mention the Midwest Brotherhood in Fallout 3, "There's also a small detachment in Chicago, but they're off the radar. Gone rogue. Long story." -Scribe Rothman. In Fallout 4 Lancer-Captain Kells seemingly makes a reference to the Midwest, stating that the Prydwen is the first airship commissioned since the west having a fleet of smaller ships a long time ago. "There were less advanced versions of this ship built on the West Coast a long time ago. Historical records about their current status are in dispute, but we're fairly certain that they were destroyed." -Captain Kells. Considering they crashed to become the Chicago Chapter, it makes sense.

yeah they were pre war because boston was under martial law before the bombs dropped due to severe food riots and having a corrupt governer this is also why so much working technology was aviable in the commonwealth compared to any other wasteland all the easy production of water purifiers and raiders knowing how to use power armour the boston commonwealth was basically a giant treasure box of resources compared to the other wastelands we saw which had far less

@@wilmagregg3131 yet everyone is using crappy pipe rifles, the way bethesda dealt with Boston still hurt my brain to this day

@@imjusthere9006 yep they relied on leveled lists way to hard they should of done more like what they did with the scorch and have certain groups have standard weapons. and at leats give the raiders normal assault rifles i mean those are already as bad as pipe weapons or worse honestly.

@@wilmagregg3131 With the number of National guard and army depots scattered around there is no reason that the R91 or assault carbine ( think it's called the m199 in the lore) don't pop up. Just the design of the pipe and assault rifle just gets under my skin dude.

As cool as it is to be that early in the timeline in 76, I still would like to explore earlier in the apocalypse. Or even a Fallout game where you start out before the apocalypse, but unlike 4, you don't get frozen and you just have to live through the collapse of society, and maybe you could help keep it together, or if you want, tear it apart faster.

It's been 200 years. There could've been countless numbers of them in the early days but now... Most probably have faded away.

My friends and I have actually been spitballing ideas about this and ended up coming up with our own faction as a result: the Liberators, survivors, descendants and remnants of the actual United States Military from before the Great War. They realized quickly that any attempt to maintain order during a possible nuclear attack has a very slim chance of success, especially given their own distrust of the various corporations after the flaws in the T-45 Power Armor became apparent during the Liberation of Alaska. They established hidden bunkers, supply depots and fortifications across America, as well as reclaiming a number of Prewar military installations, such as the West Point Academy and both the Norfolk and Newport News Naval Yards, before and immediately after the war, with the purpose of rebuilding the American Dream for everyone. They've even been known to accept ghouls, super mutants and intelligent deathclaws into their ranks. Currently me and my friends are thinking on making a mod for Fallout 4 that will introduce the Liberators, who apart from setting up some small Army and Marine Corps outposts in and around Boston, also have both an aircraft carrier and a battleship that drop anchor in the harbor and act as the Liberators' main hub of operations in Boston.

@@muttproductions2536 That sounds pretty cool, love to see a mod like that come to the game

I'm about to get to that, the only problem is, the devs basically renounced it as canon material saying they would change it in future.

@@TheOmegaInitiative Eh I guess, I just think that the GNN thing has a lot of important info that helps out with fallout, but it's kinda a grey area with fallout 2 as broken hills has basically been completely revoked canon wise. But for some god awful reason we keep the psychers or whatver.

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@@wharris7594 Wdym?

@@TheOmegaInitiative make Sense since the oil rig got nuked in F2 with equipment on it.

Wrong play Fallout NV they exist at Nellie AFB

The enclave killed any and all non enclave US government personnel but did recruit US soldiers heavily

The latest order known to be received from "the brass" was at least two weeks after the great war. That is an interesting idea, but it still seems to specific with the amount military likeness when some people literally don't even know what an army is.

@@TheOmegaInitiative that could feed into the mythology of the gunners but that is just speculation on my part

@@DCPTF2 Yeah but Bethesda missed a good oportunity for them, turning them into the Talon Company 2.0

The difference between the Minutemen and the Gunners is that the Gunners are the only faction in the Commonwealth that fields large numbers of pre-war military robots. That would be easy to explain if they are military decedents, as they'd have be able to maintain the robots chain of command. To me that implies they're more then just raiders with better gear.

Yeah, I'm trying to get a better mixture of theorizing and explaining lore.

Yessir I'll make sure to catch everyone of them , I really enjoyed the enclave theorizing n lore, what would be amazing to see for me personally, is what legion territory would look like in there home land. And more details on where it is in America

@@TheOmegaInitiative i think this video legitimately inspired me to play fallout 76, which I haven't done since launch.

@@jacksentertainmentsystem3190 Even I'm not playing 76 at the moment because it's boring. I guess it's fine if you're returning to the game after a long absence as there will be plenty of new content. However, there's very little worth while seasonal content at the moment, so I'm waiting for the next update.

Pretty cool 😎.

No the Marines used modified riot control armor. The Desert Rangers were survivalists that were based on the Texas Rangers, with riot armor that they scaveneged.

@@Wyatt0987654321 I find it likely they were police and military remnants, as they have the riot armour and they became rangers trying to keep order rather than just looking out for themselves or even becoming raiders. They're based on the desert rangers from Wasteland (which I think in turn are based of the Texas rangers), which were national guard remnants.

@@TheOmegaInitiative the rangers are remnants of Arizona national guards.

The Desert Ranger combat armor that you can find in the Honest Hearts DLC was used by the USMC during the Great War during the Gobi Campaign.

China honestly needs some fleshing out. You don't really get much of a feel for their perspective or motivations. They had pretty good cause to launch given how the US was dicking literally everyone over.

doesn't need to be set in China, what if the remains of the US military formed a new faction that would then return to the US and reclaim it. They could have a culture that mixed the US military and possibly Chinese culture (or fanatically 'murican to maintain their culture in a foreign land)

That actually is a thing with fallout lore, the Shi are decentedts of the PLA subraine.

I'm not very good at camp building but, if you want try the bridge just outside of Watoga with the Brotherhood fortifications set up that could work.

i recommend you use the tents in the misc section, my design is placing 4 foundations in a square then placing the big tent as close to one of the corners as possible and then placing a fusion reactor next to it, if you're on ps4 my psn is Rafabusa1975, you can add me and if im online you can come check out my camp, its completely enclave themed and maybe youll get some ideas for yours

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Man, people will do anything to get out of California these days.

They will actually, we just have to wait till the story of the brotherhood ends

I believe only the vertibirds that escort cargobots are SAC vertibirds. I can't say much for multi-service exercises, but off the top of my head I do know that what became the Brotherhood in 76 was an Army Ranger unit and a Marine unit that were participating in war games.

kinda like the Hubologists form fallout 2

I feel by that point the army remnants would have banded together somewhat and tried regroup, rather than just staying where they are like the Chinese.

@@TheOmegaInitiative exactly like i get much later they might become something like the gunners or some other factions but so recently after the war you'd think they'd be trying to pool their resources and man power some kind fall back plan of "If your cut off and no communications go here link up with any other forces and hold an restore order." but that doesn't seem to have been a plan at all.. which seems odd given all the concern about nukes in the fallout universe. Like if you look up the Ghoulish US army remnant mod a faction for sim settlements conqueror thats what i'd imagine more or less. . www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/44103?tab=images

Nope, they are there but took off their uniforms and became raiders or settlers.

There was a Japanese soldier who kept fighting well into the 70s so maybe something like that?

It's possible that the presence of the ghoul Chinese remnants are a testimony to the effectiveness of their training and the Chinese propaganda machine. Maybe even brainwashing. That they are so fanatical they will follow their orders without question or deviation until death. And in some cases they just wouldn't die.

Well they were, and I like to think they were national guard or police officers

@@TheCourierOfMail The Desert Rangers were more likely a combination of US Marines, National Guard, Army Rangers, and Police Forces who fled into the less heavily nuked deserts.

I'm not sure, there doesn't really seem to be that much information to work off right now, and I assume the reasoning will just be a poor excuse to go out of the map.

Btw, as far as I am concerned the Gunners are just militarized raiders.

So?

@@TheOmegaInitiative I thought you said they were formed post war

@@josephgrahm4713 Did I say that? Because I did make a video about how in the original lore they wouldn't have existed pre-war. I accept that Bethesda confirmed the Enclave did exist before the war (even though it was stupid), but I still prefer to treat it less like a shadow government and more like a regular part of the government that evolved into the entirety of the government after the war.

@@TheOmegaInitiative that makes sense.

@@TheOmegaInitiative With the Bethesda addition, I personally wouldn't treat the Enclave as such considering most of the Enclave's continuity of government plans exclude a lot of the federal government and military. It seems like the Enclave conflicted with the official continuity of government considering that Mount Weather would have been where the President would be transported as per continuity initiatives, but instead he was transported to Control Station ENCLAVE, also seen as Eckhart's Enclave massacred congressmen and congresswomen at Whitesprings, supported by the fact that the Enclave didn't assist the Charleston Emergency Government, which would probably be standard procedure if the Whitesprings wasn't taken by the Enclave.

Iirc the boomers were from a vault that had a lot of weapons to train with, and they then exited the vault and found nellis AFB where they got their arty and knowledge of the planes (I think they were at the AFB for 150+ years)

In Fallout 76 the raiders are rich vacationers, and the rest of the games take place too late in the timeline for any raiders encountered to be former military.

@@TheOmegaInitiative Rich and bloodthirsty, typical for people in power. You as sked about the fate of the military, not who are the raiders in FO76. I merely stated what the authorities will do in the circumstances. Even in real life the authorities act as thugs in times of crisis, let alone a full blown apocalypse. I never said that all raiders are ex military, but most of them will either join the Enclave or become raiders.

@@stefanstoyanov7460 Assumptions, I would see some doing what you suggest, but I could see some forming their own factions and communities (which then welcomed additional survivors). Depends entirely on the CO's and their desire/ability to control their troops

It's only military groups, I could go on about every surviving military member for hours, but at that point they're only individuals and demonstrate no greater connection to the military than anyone else.

@The Administrator You don't think what's right? I didn't make any specific claims... i was looking for clarification, because my knowledge of fallout lore is a bit spotty.

@The Administrator Yes, i'm aware of that.. Are you just not reading what i type? I originally asked if there was any specific mention of the USAF in fallout lore. If there is, then that means that divergence was after the USAF became it's own branch. If there isn't, then that would mean it was still part of the army.

@The Administrator Well, if there's any mention of USAF, that means divergence occurred AFTER 18 September, 1947.

@The Administrator The only issue i really have with your timeframe, is that FDR is the last President, mentioned in the lore, that shares commonality with our timeline. FDR, in our timeline, left office in April of 1945. One of the defining divergence events, was the invention of the Integrated Circuit. It happened in our timeline, but didn't happen in the Fallout timeline.. the first IC was created in 1958. so, i would suggest a timeframe between 1948, and 1958. There is no mention of the Korean war in the lore...at least none that i can find. Additionally, while there is a snippet of a speech in the intro for fallout tactics, about the war in vietnam, i don't think that conflict happened as it did in our timeline, so i'm not going to count it as a common event. So, again, i'm thinking divergence occurred somewhere between 1948, and 1958.

@The Administrator ::shrug:: i've been combing through the lore, and like i said, there's absolutely NO mention of the korean war, and only a snippet of a speech referencing the vietnam war, in the intro to Fallout: Tactics....which... is that game even canon? i can't remember. If tactics isn't canon, then we can cross 'nam off the list of common events too...which would narrow things down a bit more. We do know the cold war happened, and it was different from how it happened in reality, insofar as involved parties, and duration.

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@@ILBFRMTHAGSC Oxhorn debunked it. And if you actually play FO4, the Gunners don't originate from the Commonwealth. As said in terminals from GNR and the Gunners in Nuka World smfh.

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@@TheOmegaInitiative Thanks for the info

I smell a pessimist, and we can't have those in the nuclear apocalypse.

@@TheOmegaInitiative lol, indeed. I think it was my 3rd packet right after "How to deal with media" and "the basic mechanics of an aircraft" when I was in the Civil Air Patrol back in highschool. In the event there is no standing government left, your orders are stick to the last orders you were given, but you will not be penalized if you leave. The dude in the power armor in FO4 on top of the building who survived the nukes chose option 2 lol.

The Civil Air Patrol is basically the Boy Scouts mixed with the Air Force that was really established in the cold war, and has all the flavoring and text that comes with the red scare even into 2002. The main stuff was drilling, search and rescue, and the hunt for submarines in a war footing to report their location to the navy.

Most, enclave have 3 locations and kill those who didn’t agree with their policy. BOS could be from anywhere.

The X-01 was made shortly before the war, and the "remnants" that would use it post war were just the Enclave.

@@TheOmegaInitiative I’m basing this off of the fallout 4 loading screen that stated exactly “The X-01 series of Power Armor was specially engineered and employed by remnants of the U.S. military after the Great War, and offers increased protection over the older, pre-war models.”

@@BuffBisexual Those remnants are the Enclave, they continued using it and upgrading it after the war until they created the Advanced Power Armour from it.

@@TheOmegaInitiative if you’d have properly it, you would’ve noted that my original comment nearly exactly quoted the loading screen. As well as this, your first argument was that the X-01 was made pre-war whilst the loading screen said “after the Great War” and the fact that the loading screen clearly states “remnants of the US military” and not enclave, suggest otherwise to the idea that they were talking about the enclave.

@@BuffBisexual The Enclave is the biggest group of military remnants, and the lore states that the suit was not only designed for the Enclave but that at least some suits were built pre-war. The X-01 is an unfinished model, engineered doesn't necessarily mean created it can also mean maintained or modified. In this case it's most likely referring to how the X-01 would have been modified into the Advanced Power Armour.

In Fallout they have United States Space Administration, though it's unclear whether it was military or civilian.

There's basically none in Fallout.

I only remember one coast guard station, and there's nothing more than the location.

@@TheOmegaInitiative I find Coast Guard hats like, everywhere, also that station is pretty big and have some lore IIRC, there is also a few boats scattered around and i think the Pioneer camp have computers with lore.

That doesn't explain anything about them

@@TheOmegaInitiative im just saying they do have a presence, even if it has no lore attached

If I went over every single military personnel, this video would go on for hours.