He's rotting in hell

​@@OBEYTHEPYRAMID quit being a hater, redcoat

​@OBEYTHEPYRAMID what does that have to do with anything pertaining to Fallout and the timeliness divergence?

@@Alucard29997doesn’t show ben in hell

@@OBEYTHEPYRAMID gaywad

That makes me think that radiation only turned people into ghouls after FEV was made. Harold wasn't a Ghoul, but a mutant from FEV. So maybe some one had released a semi working FEV strain that changed human genetics that allowed them to become a ghoul. It's basically humans turning into plants. Plants use radiation to feed and kick off photosynthesis. Not everyone can become a ghoul. Just like not all ghouls will become feral. Must be some sort of genetics that helped, either Man changed or natural.

@@ravinraven6913 Oh, my friend, you do not know the can of worms you just opened. 😅 The Pan-Immunity Virion, the predecessor to FEV was created to combat possible biological agents used against the U.S, including The New Plague, which arose in the states in the 2050s. Without getting too deep in to the genetics, it protected the affected cells from corruption by changing our DNA from a double to a quadruple helix structure. This not only protected from viruses and bacteria, but entirely stopped errors in base pairing during replication, I.E aging, and protected from genetic damage caused by ionising radiation. PVP was also shown to be more effective in bone and muscle tissue than skin or sensory cells. To my mind, this is a ghoul. They don't age, they don't get sick, they don't suffer the effects of radiation, they do not feel pain and they heal phenomenally well. The virus mainly changing bone and muscle would also explain the kinda... dead look and as it was using gene shuttling, it would be passed down through generations. Though the PVP was eventually shelved in favour of FEV and it's potential military application* the distinct lack of a horrific plague, and really any major disease in the wasteland, means it was almost definitely rolled out in some form or another, giving us the gross mutants we all know and love. Them being pumped full of mutagens could also explain how vault dwellers can adapt on a physiological level to stressors in their environment, becoming radiation resistant and even radiotrophic, as well as maybe developing gills? I dunno, perks are confusing. The more I think on it, the less is actually wrong with the radiation in Fallout. They essentially took the old view of what it would be like after a nuclear war, with mutants and giant insects running all over the place, and worked backwards in just the same way they did for the bombs and the actual wasteland itself. I guess the divergence point was just millions if not billions of years ago when a precursor race evolved, died out and left traces of themselves everywhere in the form of Art-Deco sculptures and psychic crowns. *This is why China launched the first nuke, if you didn't know, military genetic research was banned internationally and when they found out about FEV, fearing being overrun by super soldiers, they pressed the big red button.

@@ravinraven6913 The predecessor to FEV, the Pan-Immunity Virion Project, was created by the newly established West Tek Research Facility as a general immunity agent to combat biological weapons used by China, notably The New Plague which arose in the 2050s. Without going to deep in to the genetics, PVP worked by changing human DNA from a double to a quadruple helix. This prevented damage from bio-weapons, but also had the effect of entirely eliminating errors in base pairing during cell replication, I.E aging, as well as protecting the DNA from ionising radiation and dramatically increasing healing capabilities. The change affected around 80% of the cells in a body, mostly in the bone and muscle tissue of the recipient and less so in the skin and sensory cells. PVP was eventually shelved in favour of the FEV project after the military applications of the mutagen became apparent.* Given the lack of a horrific plague, and really any major diseases in the wasteland, it seems that some form of the Pan-Immunity Virion was rolled out in the decades before the bombs fell and the genetic changes have been passed down through generations since. To my mind, this is what created ghouls. They don't age, they don't suffer the effects of radiation, they don't feel pain and they can heal from wounds that no normal human could. The reduced effectiveness in the skin, cartilage and sensory cells would cause these cells to replicate less efficiently or be lost entirely, which explains where their ears and noses went, the rotting look of their skin and cloudy eyes. The many strains of FEV are responsible for most, if not all, of the genetic abnormalities found in the wasteland: the giant bugs, the super mutants, the ghouls- human and bear- some of which were created in the years leading up to the war in various radiation incidents. The more I think on it, the radiation in game seems less problematic as they sort of reverse engineered the idea people had back in the day of what a nuclear war would do to our planet. I guess the divergence point was millions, if not billions, of years ago when a precursor race evolved and died out, leaving art deco statues and myths of old gods behind them. *This is what caused the war. Military genetic research was internationally outlawed and China, fearing being overrun by American super soldiers, launched the first nuke after finding out about FEV.

@@ravinraven6913 The predecessor to FEV, the Pan-Immunity Virion Project, was created by the newly established West Tek Research Facility as a general immunity agent to combat biological weapons used by China, notably The New Plague which arose in the 2050s. Without going to deep in to the genetics, PVP worked by changing human DNA from a double to a quadruple helix. This prevented damage from bio-weapons, but also had the effect of entirely eliminating errors in base pairing during cell replication, I.E aging, as well as protecting the DNA from ionising radiation and dramatically increasing healing capabilities. The change affected around 80% of the cells in a body, mostly in the bone and muscle tissue of the recipient and less so in the skin and sensory cells. PVP was eventually shelved in favour of the FEV project after the military applications of the mutagen became apparent.* Given the lack of a horrific plague, and really any major diseases in the wasteland, it seems that some form of the Pan-Immunity Virion was rolled out in the decades before the bombs fell and the genetic changes have been passed down through generations since. To my mind, this is what created ghouls. They don't age, they don't suffer the effects of radiation, they don't feel pain and they can heal from wounds that no normal human could. The reduced effectiveness in the skin, cartilage and sensory cells would cause these cells to replicate less efficiently or be lost entirely, which explains where their ears and noses went, the rotting look of their skin and cloudy eyes. The many strains of FEV are responsible for most, if not all, of the genetic abnormalities found in the wasteland: the giant bugs, the super mutants, the ghouls- human and bear- some of which were created in the years leading up to The Great War in various radiation incidents. The more I think on it, the radiation in game seems less problematic as they sort of reverse engineered the idea people had back in the day of what a nuclear exchange would do to our planet. I guess the divergence point was millions, if not billions, of years ago when a precursor species evolved and died out, leaving art deco statues and myths of old gods behind them. *This is what caused the war. Military genetic research was internationally outlawed and China, fearing being overrun by American super soldiers, launched the first nuke after finding out about FEV.

@@ravinraven6913 my reply isn't posting, but I think the predecessor to FEV, called PVP is what created ghouls.

Yep. The decisive battle of Sekigahara happened in 1600 which the Tokugawa clan won. Tokugawa Ieyasu, the leader of that clan was appointed as a shogun in 1603 by the emperor.

A very interesting time, where the first Englishmen reached Japan, named William Adams. He changed Tokugawa Ieyasu's mind. Finding out there were Christians out there that hated the dutch removed a base of power that the Christian Japanese had. With his help and his guns, he was able to help keep the smaller force of the Tokugawa safe from being flanked. William Adams helped kick the Portuguese out and install the Dutch as the only Europeans who could trade with Japan, they even made a man made Island to do it at. He was a great man, sad he never left Japan. Even today his family is honored, The book Shogun was made off it. The new movie is ok, but changed too much of the story. First movie was amazing but too long

That would actually be very interesting to delve into. I would be on the fence, however, as my oppositional defiance disorder tends to structure the legitimacy of lore and my strict personal confirmation of canon to be based on the original creator’s framework of the intellectual property. As long as it’s all copacetic then I’d be much more inclined to agree with the idea. My apologies… I think the mushrooms are kicking in🤔 Wish me luck 🫡

How do you know it's a difference from our real timeline? Maybe it actually happened, and nobody knows about it in our timeline...

@@masterofthecontinuum ok Giorgio A. Tsoukalos 😂 Nah but on the real, I don’t deny the possibility of all this being a simulation, designed by an extra dimensional being or group of beings, to measure thought and experiment with consciousness… Bro we might actually just be overly complex NPCs with an outstanding AI capable of extraordinary level of recall or, as we are coded to phrase it, “self awareness” It’s not impossible 💥🔥☄️🌪️🌊🌎🚀🛸🪐 ✌🏻🫶🏻🙏🏻🌲🍄 🫵🏻😎🤙🏻 🌱

@@masterofthecontinuumbecause Cabot knows and knew before the bombs dropped and also knew before the present day in our timeline so even if it is real it is still a divergence

That’s because he has a video dedicated to the Cabot line in itself

Nah, fallout doesn't seem to have had the Nueurburg trials. Scientists seem to have continued the same experiments as Nazi Germany and Japan did.

Yeah it is a common misconception. But between ancient aliens both zetan and Cabot and the weird cult stuff it is clear the timeline diverged much much sooner. Even if we did away with all that weird stuff, the not Bonnie and Clyde in New Vegas push the timeline back further.

Yep that’s pretty much it, since the aliens and cult stuff could have happened in our timeline too (it is secret after all).

I think fallout time line is the original one, and the one we live now is the divergent. So many bad things happened that some day in the future they sent people back to change things, kinda like terminator but in a good way. Prevented the Aliens from coming in, no plasma or laser weapons. so many small things can make a big change

A ton of stories that take placd in the future, or even in the past, take this approach. Another notable example is the universe of Cyberpunk 2013/2020/2077, which has its divergence point around the early 1990s.

I feel the point of this video is more "All the timeline related mistakes of the writers"

@@ascaban6220 except this video was mentioning dates that were the same in both timelines. I think the Native American one was to keep some people guessing, rather than a mistake.

You’re so much fun I imagine

Most of the references in this video are from Bethesda Fallout which in itself has quite a bit inconsistencies in the lore.

The actual point of divergence that actually matters is the actual point of divergence. And that was way before the 1940s. As someone else mentioned, the physics of the fallout universe do not mirror our own exactly so it could be argued that the divergence point is actually the beginning of time. Then for the most part this other universe just mirrors our own with a few exceptions until the transistor issue. Calling it a divergence or alternate timeline is a very weird thing that the devs do. It is an alternate universe sure. But it isn't our timeline split in two and never was not even dating back to the first game.

No. It is not time travel. And even if it was? So what. It makes far more sense that the aliens have simply been around the Fallout world for hundreds of years. 200,000 years for a spaceship traveling at the speed of light to go across the entire Milky Way Galaxy. Spending what? 500 years around Fallout earth? And mind you a extra 100 years or so after the world turned into a nuclear winter and now the state we see it in game? The unrealistic part about the hole plot of everything?? How would a single human brake lose and do what the player do in the game? Like litterly even with stimpacks and infinite reloads of save games etc? The Alines sould at no point have lost to the player character. Yet it is only a stupid computer game. At the end of the day. Really Bethesda writing and game desgin is so puddle deep that it really is not worth bothering thinking about it much. Bethesda can not be bothered to actually put in the time and good writers to make something solid enough to stand up to scrutiny... The actual Fallout 3 that was planned? It would involve going up to a space station etc. So I guess Fallout had originaly ideas about space wars too. And to some extent Aliens.

Thanks, Joseph. If you're looking for more, check out the show on Spotify or Apple Podcasts (or any podcast app, really). There are a lot more available there.

So... you point out a lot of stuff that is 100% correct and then speculate a lot... you didn't point out a single definitive divergence. Go to the historical society in rivet city next and use the garbled rambling account of history from Abraham Washington as "evidence" that the timeline diverged!

As someone who has been playing since the game was just called "Fallout," as there was only one, I agree with you.

It would certainly explain its fascist overtones.

That would explain why the Enclave officer outfits looks so stylish!

They didn't my guy. World War 2 still happens in the Fallout Universe. In 4's introduction it mentions how the Protagonist's Great Great Grandfather fought in Iwo jima and how the US still nuked Japan. Even back to the first game's intros make mention of World War 2.

The US went plenty fascist in our timeline after WW2, if the culture of America in the fallout universe ossified during the 1950s, it would stand to reason that the pre-war US government would be pretty fascist.

Some of yall throwing around "fascist" too freely. Guess it's one of the words most are taught to repeat these days.

Essentially there were three major technologies that came from world war two, both sides focused on rocket propulsion but our reality chose to focus on computers and information technology and only dabbling in nuclear fission technology, while the fallout universe chose to pursue the advancement of nuclear fission capabilities as well as the utility and applicability of the technology while only dabbling in computers and information technology.

Yep, the transistor was never invented in the Fallout timeline allowing for advanced circuitry. So it was about the 1920s that the tech started being designed in our universe and was completed by 1946. That lack of microcircuitry stalled creativity and entertainment.

@@Sumoniggro Great answer! A very clear way of describing the differences.

5 to many

​@@Lohhw Who knows, maybe they actually were witches. Zetan aliens are real thus the chance of those witches being real is rather high.

Of course but there is the one single divergence that paved the way to the unrecognizable US in Fallout in comparison to our world, and it was which of the world war two technological inventions would they focus on, while both focused on rocket propulsion, in our reality we decided to focus on the recently developed computation machine which we would eventually call computers and information technology in general, working to not only increase it's capabilities but also it's utility and applicability while only dabbling in nuclear fission tech while the FO America did the inverse focusing on nuclear fission improving it's capabilities as well as it's utility and applicability while only dabbling in computers and information technology. Although I do have to say after everything we have discovered in our reality about automation and robotics it makes absolutely no sense that self-guiding, interacting and multitasking robots exist in the fallout universe when their computer technology is so primitive in comparison to ours, just having abundant nuclear energy isn't enough to create artificial beings capable of such things.

It's retro-futurism based on 50s and 60s sci-fi. You need to suspend some disbelief.

If you have even a cursory glance at the air vehicles of the Fallout universe and the way that Vertibirds move, you can tell that avionics are much much different from ours

It’s basic US history. Ever seen the movie Pocahontas? It’s that John Smith. He’s a real guy.

@@masonsarro-twickler7286 i was joking that’s the most common name ever of course he existed

⁠@@masonsarro-twickler7286as a descendant of Pocahontas I’m offended you use that as a way to justify he existed that movie was ass backwards and had nothing based in any form of reality beyond the names

@@Pedro-kd4sm most movies are pretty ass when you watch them backwards

​@@themythicwafflemost movies are ass even watched normally these days.

Because it literally is..?

what bro

...??????????? that's the point

Smartest Fo4 player:

All universes, that are not ours, ...are alternate to ours. 🤯

Do you not know what common era is? Please tell me you don’t think B.C. means before Christ

​@@Pedro-kd4smB.C. does stand for Before Christ. You're thinking of B.C.E.

​@Pedro-kd4sm BC stands for Before Christ, as it was how we commonly defined the time back then before atheism became so prevalent.

​@@Pedro-kd4smBC literally means before christ, as AD means Anno Domini, or era of our lord, if you prefer the much more guttural english.

​@@johnnydjiurkopff Sorry for the pedantry but Anno means year not era, the Latin anno becomes año in Spanish, so Anno Domini directly translates to 'the Lord's year' which is grammatically the same as saying "the year of the Lord" this is usually how it is translated in order to convey the message instead of the meaning of each word.