How GOOD was Greninja ACTUALLY? - History of Greninja in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 6-7)
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Күн бұрынGreninja is today’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Greninja was voted super early by the Patreon backers for some reason. Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Greninja in competitive Pokemon!
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0:00 - Intro
1:07 - XY/Gen 6
6:03 - Gen 6 VGC
15:11 - SM/Gen 7
20:32 - Gen 7 VGC
25:55 - Outro
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Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth.
For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent. I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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@FalseSwipeGaming 4 жыл бұрын
The Patreon backers are crazy. We probably won't do more Gen 6+ Pokemon for a while. We still have to get through the first 5!
@Wolfism 4 жыл бұрын
False Swipe Gaming please False Swipe, cover the rest of the Kanto Pokemon 🙏🏻💫
@Gaurang_Karande 4 жыл бұрын
What about Gen 1 👌😲
@VoidDWG 4 жыл бұрын
Man, I'm glad really liking these thiccc ass videos man. Thank you.
@nsbathome 4 жыл бұрын
Watch them pick Toxapex or Zygarde
@shawnli4746 4 жыл бұрын
Can see Mascot Aegislash get in after a few months.
@caldw615 4 жыл бұрын
Quickest match I ever had was with a Greninja. Opponent was using an Alolan Golem to start off and I sent out Greninja. I used Spikes which changed Gren to ground while Golem used Explosion with its ability turning it into an electric move, which Greninja survived due to changing to a ground type while Golem fainted. The other player disconnected straight after that.
@sarmilaacharya318 4 жыл бұрын
What a coincidence.
@mr.preston1632 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a Galaxy brain move
@alokrath9330 3 жыл бұрын
Mind size: MEGA
@octocoro 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is big brain time
@MisterSleep1123 3 жыл бұрын
@@alokrath9330 the opponent: F-MEGA
@deltalord6969 4 жыл бұрын
When the pokemon only existed for two generations but the video is almost a half an hour long you know its amazing.
@CheesyCore 4 жыл бұрын
and half of it's life was relegated to set hazards in ubers so I'd say it's more generation and a half
@leonardofarias8843 4 жыл бұрын
All thanks to Protean and a exclusive upgrade form
@CryoJnik 4 жыл бұрын
Or ridiculously busted
@gabrieldiniz8371 4 жыл бұрын
It’s because of a magical word FAVOURITISM
@artolas 4 жыл бұрын
Landorus t is 3 gens and it'll have 2 hours
@wideMac7 4 жыл бұрын
Gen 6 it was banned for being too good. In Gen 7 it gets even better but isn’t banned. Thank you power creep very cool
@sebas8225 4 жыл бұрын
Protean is broken, pls ban.
@elvgamez3864 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine if gamefreak treated battle bond evolution like mega evolution cuz if they did they could just give ash-greninja protean cuz that’s how most mégas work like how venusaur starts with chlorophyll and gets thick fat after mega that would be so broken a protean 640 base stat total mon
@Darkstormsun9865 4 жыл бұрын
@@elvgamez3864 if it worked like a mega then it would actually stand a chance in ubers.
@coolyeh1017 4 жыл бұрын
@@sebas8225 and then they gave Libero to Cinderace, granted, Cinderace isn't as good as Greninja. Cinderace has two solid signature moves, pyro ball a physical fire blast that burns and court change which flips hazards and screens.
@tommyortega7796 4 жыл бұрын
@@coolyeh1017 court change is so fucking bs
@petelee2477 4 жыл бұрын
Lol I love how the OU council freaked out when Greninja learned how to throw a trash can
@f.r.8909 4 жыл бұрын
ARTEM DORDZHIEV hihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihh
@f.r.8909 4 жыл бұрын
Hihihihihihihih
@f.r.8909 4 жыл бұрын
Hihihi
@f.r.8909 4 жыл бұрын
Hi
@f.r.8909 4 жыл бұрын
Hi
@AnimeGames16 4 жыл бұрын
You're telling me that Greninja got banned in ORAS solely for throwing trash bins at fairies?
@marcusdellow 4 жыл бұрын
This should be Greninja’s Gen 8 Pokédex entry, “banned for throwing trash bins at fairies”.
@sansthedevil 4 жыл бұрын
to be more precise, it had no safe counters/checks with the right movepool
@fork-man 4 жыл бұрын
Why did they do that to our HERO
@byronlyons3548 4 жыл бұрын
Someone getting banned from competitive for _toxic_ behavior? Sounds about right.
@muddposs2112 4 жыл бұрын
Marcus Dellow lol
@AtChiaPet 4 жыл бұрын
Remember when people wanted Ash-Greninja gone from Gen 7? _Then Dracovish came in_
@cintronproductions9430 4 жыл бұрын
As overpowered as Dracovish is, I don't hate it for that, cuz I can predict it'll be nerfed to oblivion in gen 9 like it happened to Gengar and Talonlame.
@3.2187_Kilometres 4 жыл бұрын
Rev up the Seismitoads. We've got a Dracovish to handle.
@pissmaster8859 4 жыл бұрын
Ash-Gren actually has a moveset, Dracovish has one move it can click and profit, it makes me lose braincells
@_dave4681 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't Dracovish UUBL?
@thom9910 4 жыл бұрын
We don't speak of he who must not be named
@josemansquito 4 жыл бұрын
someone: **has a name** FSG: I'm about to end this man's whole career
@hiei49 4 жыл бұрын
Being myself from south America, i find it hilarious how he struggles to pronounce names like Sebastian Escalante lol
@kiyonobu2833 4 жыл бұрын
FSG more like Substitute Teacher
@Lolo_Antonio-FryEmUpFan 4 жыл бұрын
@@hiei49 do you know they don't speak Spanish
@EshamPlayz 3 жыл бұрын
670th Like
@STAROCiDE 4 жыл бұрын
Libero cinderace: father? Is that you?
@meghanaingleshwar 4 жыл бұрын
StarLight Of MoonSide greninja:yes it is me son it very much is
@theepicgreninja5423 3 жыл бұрын
You will use my protean in another version as I am watieng for my god dam trainer to come back to me but I doubt he will
@TheJadeFist 3 жыл бұрын
I'm actually not sure why they didn't just give Cinderace Protean, I mean, they are literally the same thing. However Greninja had a better move pool to select from to have greater type coverages. As well as had more balanced attack vs attack stat (95 A, 103 SA) that made it possible to take it physical or special, while Cinderace has to go physical (116 A, 65 SA). Cinderace is still awesome with easily the single best looking G-Max form that makes me miss megas, but w/e I guess, I hope they come back at some point.
@averytubestudios 3 жыл бұрын
Are they in the same egg group? If so yes. Definitely.
@BusterDash 3 жыл бұрын
He is all that remains of a once powerful nation. Right now, you're on the threshold of an amazing adventure
@beydey2647 4 жыл бұрын
How SUBTLE was GameFreak's favoritism ACTUALLY?
@andrewkos5560 4 жыл бұрын
They had to make up for it by snapping him out of Gen 8
@Gamesmarts194 4 жыл бұрын
*points obnoxiously to Charizard Not at all I want to say.
@averytubestudios 4 жыл бұрын
Not at all
@turbulentbreak 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, both Charizard and Greninja got more than their fair share of pandering. The other Kanto starters at least were still blessed with a mega evolution and Gigantamax form in the Sword and Shield expansion packs while the other Kalos starters are left in the dust. Charizard is overhyped, but people still loved it even though it sucked in battle. Game Freak and TPC gave Charizard everything in response to its popularity. Meanwhile, Greninja got everything from the get-go. Greninja has the stats, movepool, and ability to do great in the competitive scene while Chesnaught and Delphox languish behind. Greninja also has a more appealing design than the other Kalos starters to most people. It got in Smash, was Ash's ace, and even got an exclusive form. Greninja was manufactured to become a popular Pokemon and it worked. This is coming from someone who has Greninja as one of my favorite Pokemon btw.
@kefkapalazzo1 4 жыл бұрын
Andrew Kos he’ll be back
@alexanderstilianov 4 жыл бұрын
Water Pledge Greninja: What are you doing in my swamp?!
@windindi2834 4 жыл бұрын
RayQUADza
@nyoron39 4 жыл бұрын
@@windindi2834 I like FARQUADza better, but works as well.
@BigRedLeg 4 жыл бұрын
Lmfao i love this community
@Super_Smash_Dude 4 жыл бұрын
You guys are awesome:)
@SandshrewEnthu1 4 жыл бұрын
i will now name my greninja shrek
@elilopez6260 4 жыл бұрын
Update: Libero Cinderace was banned from OU for doing the exact same thing as Gen 6 Protean Greninja
@lionelk.y7233 3 жыл бұрын
Greninja from the ban wall: "first time?"
@crusaderofholyness2042 3 жыл бұрын
The ban wall is now the cool kids club
@bloopertanooki415 3 жыл бұрын
Cinderace is an absolute monster. Slower than Greninja, but sturdier and hits harder. Also benefits from Gigantamax's stat boosts and Gmax Fireball, which destroys Mimikyu's disguise. The king of single battles.
@crusaderofholyness2042 3 жыл бұрын
That's why I call him my "4 feet tall killing machine"
@Butter_Warrior99 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh
@Eric4bz 4 жыл бұрын
Ash Greninja is why I decided to get my own golisopod. Making a good First Impression was important as all hell.
@eliteadrisn4872 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t care
@tommyortega7796 3 жыл бұрын
@@eliteadrisn4872 who asked tho
@snarls3760 3 жыл бұрын
Funny joke
@berkay4903 3 жыл бұрын
@@eliteadrisn4872 stfu
@siaguamiel1787 3 жыл бұрын
Oh ya bc Greninja is weak to Bug types
@frozenvoltz6739 4 жыл бұрын
If Greninja got 30 minutes on just 2 generations being dominating in OU and being meh in VGC Imagine how long the Landorus video would be
@phantomz87 4 жыл бұрын
2 minutes dedicated to regular Lando. 40 dedicated to Lando-T
@justaadhdgamerwesley6244 4 жыл бұрын
Bring on blunder :)
@frozenvoltz6739 4 жыл бұрын
@@justaadhdgamerwesley6244 Agency Agency
@thom9910 4 жыл бұрын
Please, don't give the Patreons ideas.
@kingoflions827 4 жыл бұрын
@@thom9910 Lando is banned from being voted on as its WAY TOO LONG for a 1 week episode so its prolly gonna be a special if we get it at all
@whatamidoing725 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like if greninja gets released into gen 8, cinderace will be a perfect partner with its libero ability, making a duo team called probero
@carreragt006 4 жыл бұрын
Perfection
@whatamidoing725 4 жыл бұрын
Ananya Gangavarapu it would probably dwarf landorous T
@AceZX02 4 жыл бұрын
Probero? I LOVE IT! lol
@mr.krustykrust 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget that Cinderace can get Ally Switch for even more mindgames
@aerohydreigon1101 4 жыл бұрын
Oh crap
@phantomblizzard7756 4 жыл бұрын
Game Freak: Wanna see me give a starter a broken ability? *gives greninja protean* Game Freak: Wanna see me do it again? *gives cinderace libero*
@bigmounchi 3 жыл бұрын
libero cinderace is so stupidly broken, if charizard can get into ubers why can't the stupid rabbit get banned there
@animegirl5980 3 жыл бұрын
Alwin Cahyadi landorus incarnate
@parthacharya42069 3 жыл бұрын
Blaziken in particular getting speed boost is also broken but protean is better overall
@jambon2730 3 жыл бұрын
Serperior : a bad starter Game freak : here's contrary Serperior is actually the first one who get a broken ability
@parthacharya42069 3 жыл бұрын
@@jambon2730 serperior got contrary at gen 6 and blazike got speed boost at gen 5 i guess
@darthrevan5609 3 жыл бұрын
Gamefreak: You're a water and dark type Greninja: Its 2018 I can be what I want
@BlackFrog24 4 жыл бұрын
>"a cornucopia of coverage" That is undoubtedly the most uber tier line your writer has ever thought up in the competitive history of this channel.
@chaosbreaker657 4 жыл бұрын
"...upgrade Bullet Punch from a rifle to a bona fide bazooka." - How GREAT was Scizor ACTUALLY? "...before being brutally beaten back by Brave Bird." - How GOOD was Staraptor ACTUALLY? "...BandedTar's power become even greater due to Stone Miss - I mean Stone Edge." - How GOOD was Tyranitar ACTUALLY? There are more, but these are some of my favorites.
@user-lq4ct6dr5m 4 жыл бұрын
Dynamic miss ......I mean dynamic punch
@itsyaboychipsahoy.7989 4 жыл бұрын
GUILE; Sonic Boom
@muhammadrizkywidyakusumoaj1594 4 жыл бұрын
".....a pokemon that outhaxorused Haxorus" -How GOOD was Haxorus ACTUALLY
@blaster.m1943 4 жыл бұрын
i submit quagsires verdict to that hall of fame of lines "So how good was quagsire actually? Man i don't fucking know"
@arlen7726 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine weather ball Greninja. That level of unpredictability would be insane.
@syazmanlyman 4 жыл бұрын
No dont give them ideas
@Oneiromancy 4 жыл бұрын
@@syazmanlyman Gen 9 would be great
@vibra7 3 жыл бұрын
Or even better- Nature Power
@arlen7726 3 жыл бұрын
How about both? 😈
@DrGandW 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it would make it any more unpredictable if the weather was already out
@Softcorns 4 жыл бұрын
The fact is that you can see Groudon in almost every single video.
@GM.Nobody 4 жыл бұрын
Lando T. Amoongus Salamance
@jadennanashi6677 4 жыл бұрын
@@GM.Nobody tyranitar;
@theflaminggroundon632 Жыл бұрын
I'm everywhere
@krishhiranandani7875 4 жыл бұрын
Back in my day there was this 10 year old with 20 years of experience who had a crazy Naruto Greninja He lost in some final to a mega Charizard x Then someone tried destroying the world but no one cared
@cintronproductions9430 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe he would have defeated Charizard if he were to spam Water Shuriken like a person with a brain would do. But seriously? Cut? CUT!?
@Nosretep 4 жыл бұрын
@@cintronproductions9430 Dragon Resists Water. And Greninja is incredibly frail.
@frozenvoltz6739 4 жыл бұрын
@@Nosretep Charizard is still neutral
@V-Jes 4 жыл бұрын
@@Nosretep tell that to the XY anime where Greninjas take no damage from leaf storms yet grass dragon types get completely beaten by water moves...
@CheesyCore 4 жыл бұрын
@@Nosretep neutral STAB from gren isn't anything to scoff at
@adrienlust5927 4 жыл бұрын
"You know a pokémon is popular when it gets his own exclusive form" Meanwhile Audino
@masapeeta4140 3 жыл бұрын
Well Audino was memorable for how you might try to find groups of them for exp at some point in the game
@heplays2004 3 жыл бұрын
Audino is the only gen 5 pkmn that has mega evo
@achievedchair17 3 жыл бұрын
And then there’s stunfisk
@h0m3st4r 4 жыл бұрын
How GOOD were the starters ACTUALLY? Blaziken: (to all the other starters) "You're all vying for second place." Greninja: (to Blaziken) "Make that third place."
@3.2187_Kilometres 4 жыл бұрын
Ngl Greninja is easily better than Blaziken in both gen 6 and 7 Ubers so this meme would be much funnier if the roles were flipped.
@jeremyfaure1888 4 жыл бұрын
Meganium : Make that... Third place.
@sarmilaacharya318 4 жыл бұрын
Charizard : Make that good o'l 4th place
@zylen3167 4 жыл бұрын
Blastoise after getting Shell Smash in gen 8: "Make that 4th place."
@zylen3167 4 жыл бұрын
@ARTEM DORDZHIEV cinderace isnt better than gren. it could be good in uu tho. mega blastoise is banned from ou atm
@orionsfate4909 2 жыл бұрын
It says a lot about Greninja when a video on it has nearly 30 minutes, when Delphox, a starter from the same gen, is 1/3 of the length. Just shows how much a great ability -and favoritism- can affect a mon.
@eyecontrol4900 2 жыл бұрын
yea, i hate how gamefreak completely neglected the other 2 starters and gave so much to greninja. Delphox shouldve got magic guard or magic bounce as a dreamworld ability
@skeetermania3202 11 ай бұрын
2 years separate those two videos, and another year separates Delphox and Chesnaught.
@fabg2416 4 жыл бұрын
His evolution across 2 generations, what a character develoment
@jjtheenton 4 жыл бұрын
And yet there's still nearly 30 minutes of material lmao.
@kyoyamurasaki9169 4 жыл бұрын
This is basically "How GOOD was Protean/Battle Bond ACTUALLY?"
@artolas 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah we dont need greninja
@clamthechef2389 4 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile Chesnaught and Delphox got almost nothing.
@mainakbiswas1758 4 жыл бұрын
I mean An ability definitely defines a Pokemon, There are some exceptions like Garchomp
@Gojira_uz 4 жыл бұрын
That covers a lot of competitive Pokemon with the exception of most Psuedo Legendaries (except maybe the gen 3 ones once they got their megas).
@clamthechef2389 4 жыл бұрын
@@mainakbiswas1758 I meant as a different form of the geration like mega evolution, which they didn't get for some reason.
@JCBro-yg8vd 4 жыл бұрын
Charizard: I'm the most popular fully evolved starter of all time. Greninja: Hold my pokeblocks.
@thekikiofficial 4 жыл бұрын
*Hold my life orb
@liyoung03 4 жыл бұрын
hold my choice specs*
@BigRedLeg 4 жыл бұрын
Hold* my focus sash
@justanotherisekaiprotagoni7293 4 жыл бұрын
Hold my ash fusion transformation 😂
@hiriajuu_suffering 4 жыл бұрын
shouldn't it be pokepuffs?
@whoiskizuki. 3 жыл бұрын
So Greninja got banned for being able to "Throw Trash at Fairies"?
@jamesgiles4517 3 жыл бұрын
Trash can
@yrrosi 3 жыл бұрын
Hello greatest loser
@redman4482 3 жыл бұрын
You just copied another comment you loser
@berkay4903 3 жыл бұрын
@@redman4482 shut up you asshole
@redman4482 3 жыл бұрын
@@berkay4903 no u
@LoinkLoink 4 жыл бұрын
Greninja is a pokemon where you want to battle with it non-shiny. Shiny Ash-Greninja is impossible to legitimately get, so when I see people flexing their shiny Greninjas online, I easily know they're using Protean and can plan around that. It's a situation where your flex can become your downfall.
@sonicblaze24 4 жыл бұрын
Or a girl. BB was male only
@BigRedLeg 4 жыл бұрын
I like to sit outside for a while after my shower. It is peaceful
@Ego-Fiend 2 жыл бұрын
It's too bad It's Shiny looks so dripped 👌
@why8308 4 жыл бұрын
Me: Finally, a gen 6 Pokémon! This should be pretty short! Also me: Looks at the time.
@rexyjp1237 4 жыл бұрын
What da f happend to the floor
@Bemw0 4 жыл бұрын
Rexyjp123 hi I’m bulbasaur
@ashopp9392 4 жыл бұрын
@@Bemw0 and I'm squirtle
@Bemw0 4 жыл бұрын
Ved Prakash and this is Pokémon talk
@why8308 4 жыл бұрын
Ben Aldred You weren’t supposed to Finish the intro!
@99wins31 3 жыл бұрын
“You know you’re popular when you get your own exclusive form” Cherrim: You keep telling yourself that
@exaltedfalcheon1793 4 ай бұрын
Castform:
@turtlenator6249 4 жыл бұрын
Froakie was one of my favorite Pokémon from Gen 6 even before finding out it’s evolution. So glad he had some major success in the competitive scene.
@cintronproductions9430 4 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Greninja has less Special Attack than flippin' ABRA. XD
@3.2187_Kilometres 4 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Onix has less base attack than Oddish.
@yumxi8632 4 жыл бұрын
Who hits harder. An elite water ninja whos been training for 30+ levels. Or. One shy psychic boi
@CheesyCore 4 жыл бұрын
someone watches mandjtv well mandjtv kinda forgot to mention that abra might be the best wallbreaker in LC. so we didn't really "miss" abra's crazy spA (although it's the speed that allows him to be so good)
@xaropevic7918 4 жыл бұрын
Or even worse, solosis is only a single green cell and has more special attack as well
@nightmarekinggrimm4064 4 жыл бұрын
Not like Abra can use that sp. atk stat anyway
@genkaiba15 4 жыл бұрын
Sad day to be a Delphox. You're the first non-fighting/fire in generations, and you get paired with Greninja...
@mectainea5575 4 жыл бұрын
Gen Kaiba if only Delphox had magic bounce instead of magician as its hidden ability and a bit more coverage then at least it could of had some successes. Its a shame too because Delphox has great special attack, solid speed and special defence.
@Super_Smash_Dude 4 жыл бұрын
It was a sad day when it looked at itself in the mirror.
@HaHaHaHolowence 4 жыл бұрын
@@mectainea5575 *could have...
@blazefactor6849 3 жыл бұрын
@@mectainea5575 Maybe Magic Guard instead of Magic Bounce, it would give it safe Stealth Rock switches as well as let it use Life Orb without taking any tick damage. I'm not sure if we'd really want the Fox with Bounce powers, especially with how fast it is, how strong it is, and how many tools it has. Will-o-wisp, Trick Room, dual screens, Sunny Day, Calm Mind, Psychic Terrain, and Ally Switch, all on a mon that can reflect non-damaging moves? That'd be disgusting, especially Ally Switch in doubles. You could literally perma-deny status onto an important teammate by threatening with bounces and setup, along with your own decent damage output. Plus, while the Fox has some pretty nasty weaknesses (Ground, Rock, Ghost, Water, Dark), she also has some really good resistances (Fighting, Steel, Fire, Grass, Psychic, Ice, Fairy). She'd be hellish when paired with someone like Tapu Bulu, who would cover Ground, Rock, Water, and Dark, while also really appreciating someone who can take out Poison, Ice, and Steel types who would otherwise be hard for it to fight.
@mectainea5575 3 жыл бұрын
@@blazefactor6849 I agree with all of this though I should of clarified my old comment of magic bounce as an example though magic guard works just as well for the reason you mentioned its just that either option would be far better than magician as a hidden ability. Also yea from what you mentioned, I can see magic bounce delphox to be a very irritating Pokémon if it had magic bounce (and I forgot it had ally switch so it would be disgusting).
@tomyhervas2422 4 жыл бұрын
*Battle Bond activates* Greninja: *GOtTA swEEP sWEeP SWeEp!!!*
@heplays2004 3 жыл бұрын
Baldi's Basics
@ralphmarges2965 3 жыл бұрын
toxapex and ferrothorn: N O
@insertnamehere658 3 жыл бұрын
@@ralphmarges2965 it can run hp fire for ferrothorn tho but I doubt extrasenssory would kill toxapex
@gaminggarchomp1565 3 жыл бұрын
@@insertnamehere658 specs boosted battle bond boosted will kill as much as i know if they not runnin SpD evs
@gamesnig 3 жыл бұрын
Any defensive pokemon in an average team: i'l stop you right there
@ok443 Жыл бұрын
Now here we are in Scarlet and Violet where both Protean and Battle Bond have been gutted. :(
@spiciestbirb 10 ай бұрын
Protean was gutted, Battle Bond was slightly nerfed but still great
@notasquiremario3299 4 жыл бұрын
mewtwo 7 generations 20 minutes greninja 2 generations 27 minutes
@Igor-gw4io 4 жыл бұрын
They didn't went into too much detail back then like now they are doing, also Mewtwo had 25 mins
@pedromonteiro2248 4 жыл бұрын
Unfair comparison! In the video before he Didn’t go in so many details... Actually, videos like Charizard and Mewtwo needs a remake!
@notasquiremario3299 4 жыл бұрын
@@pedromonteiro2248 yeah you right.
@James-ym9sv 3 жыл бұрын
Greninja had only 2 generations and it had 27 minutes. Imagine a Landorus video.
@sakib6638 3 жыл бұрын
@@James-ym9sv 1 hour for gen 5 OU only
@TheTrueMega 3 жыл бұрын
Who knew that in gen 7 The dark type pokemon was used to removed fairy types.
@snarls3760 3 жыл бұрын
Well if the dark type pulls a transform then thats not a dark type thats an unreleased imposter ditto
@iamzahin5910 3 жыл бұрын
@@snarls3760 When the dark type is sus.
@Ghoulofidiocy2917 2 жыл бұрын
@@iamzahin5910 SUSUS AMOGUS
@bmac4 4 жыл бұрын
Greninja may have a few too many tools but it's legit one of my favorite Pokemon of all time, even its design is fantastic.
@chialeendrums 4 жыл бұрын
Robert MacIntosh ikr! The design is amazing. Greninja is my favorite Pokemon of all time!
@notvex3987 3 жыл бұрын
@@alwincahyadi831 fun fact:the bubbles on its arms are actually from the bubble scarf that its pre evolves had Also you gotta admit,the tounge scarf is disturbing,but creative
@namitapandey7136 3 жыл бұрын
Greninja look weird for me to that tounge look weird
@RealBeastBoy007 2 жыл бұрын
@@namitapandey7136 But it's a god
@RealBeastBoy007 2 жыл бұрын
@@alwincahyadi831 Greninja is a god
@grub833 4 жыл бұрын
FSG: how good was greninja actually Me: Screams in protean
@kalamander8563 4 жыл бұрын
FSG: “How GOOD was Greninja ACTUALLY?” Me: Yes
@iainplank7261 4 жыл бұрын
Who would’ve thought we’d get gen 6 so quickly
@johnymousAnonymous 4 жыл бұрын
As an Australian I can confirm this, we love greninja.
@hoodclassicsofcalifornia 3 жыл бұрын
5:33 "Face me then god, you've rambled on long enough."
@lukasnorkevicius2367 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@substitutedoll5224 4 жыл бұрын
I love how FSG made an exception for greninja only because it's greninja
@notvex3987 3 жыл бұрын
Cuz Green ninja
@aknight7642 2 жыл бұрын
Wat da sub doin?
@lazydelibird 2 жыл бұрын
@@aknight7642 Either setting up or preparing a focus punch.
@thesolarhunter 4 жыл бұрын
Protean Greninja is basically Preyas from Bakugan. "CHANGE ATTRIBUTE" Edit: Thanks for the likes everyone, I just have one question for all you Bakugan fans... "WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO!? THE ODDS ARE STACKED AGAINST YOU!...."
@xhale671 4 жыл бұрын
It's sad not everybody will get this
@machina5 4 жыл бұрын
@IllumiNation Bakugan is still being sold in stores.
@XO_Hikari 4 жыл бұрын
Fax
@joegreen3802 4 жыл бұрын
@@xhale671 I get it XD
@mahn3580 4 жыл бұрын
@@machina5 i have a bakugan ds game and I used to love it
@armandorodriguez324 4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha the Pledge Moves. Back in SM I had an absolutely Evil team where I would lead with Greninja and Charizard. I would Water + Fire Pledge for the Serene Grace and then spam Rock Slide on both of them for two 60% Chances to flinch.
@siddharthnandi3995 4 жыл бұрын
Same.
@TIMxisxHERE 4 жыл бұрын
Let's get grassy; How good was FERRORTHORN Actually?!
@thaiangquoc9505 3 жыл бұрын
Dear god... Not this stalling bastard again
@TIMxisxHERE 2 жыл бұрын
@SharinganSakura \o/
@liyrex 4 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, greninja haddnt been nerfed in smash yet.
@MrJtizzle136 4 жыл бұрын
"It had to rely on Guile (sonic boom)".....god damn you 🤣
@krosshair450 4 жыл бұрын
I love Greninja, by far my favorite starter Pokémon
@chialeendrums 4 жыл бұрын
Krosshair same. He’s my favorite Pokemon of all time
@somethingrandom4518 2 жыл бұрын
Same, Also my first pokemon *I started pokemon in X and Y don't ask.
@tristantemple834 2 жыл бұрын
@@chialeendrums Same. It’s not even close for me It’s my favorite Pokémon PERIOD.
@MoodRealm_Native 3 жыл бұрын
"Truly one of a kind" Cinderace in gen 8: *Not anymore False Swipe Gaming, I am here now*
@seanoodles7008 4 жыл бұрын
Me: Ah it’s only been around in competitive for 2 gens so this video should be pretty sho.... Video: 28 minutes!
@deathbringr0005 4 жыл бұрын
Greninja looks and feels like he came out of power rangers and I love it.
@andersoncampbell5083 4 жыл бұрын
Power rangers ninja storm specifically
@treek10k 2 жыл бұрын
He looks like he came out of a medieval fantasy game to me.
@oblati 4 жыл бұрын
14:33 is the only time I've ever heard Greninja described as underrated
@BoyFromBelgium99 2 жыл бұрын
Greninja has everything: Great speed, great sp. attack, good coverage moves, access to Spikes, Mat Block, Protean ability and Battle Bond. It was a threat in the competitive scene and both the anime and Super Smash Bros. gave it even more love. It's my favorite pokémon and I trolled so many times with it alongside some Z-moves, Battle Bond and Dark Pulse with flinching xd
@zorohibiki 4 жыл бұрын
*cinderace with libero appears* greninja with protean: finally! a worthy opponent! our battle will be legendary!
@NoxLebeau 4 жыл бұрын
zorohibiki sad part is gren still out speeds
@Meepoli 4 жыл бұрын
Nox Reaper *laughs in dark STAB sucker punch*
@wizard_guru8035 4 жыл бұрын
*laughs in snipe shot for cinderace*
@Meepoli 4 жыл бұрын
*Scarf Dracovish enters the chat* “something smells fishy”
@wizard_guru8035 4 жыл бұрын
@@Meepoli *oh no*
@LesbianWitchAcademia 4 жыл бұрын
*listening to the first 15 minutes of the video:* Yeah this is nice and all. Greninja was a really interesting pokemon. Then Ash-Gren happened.
@tatsukinomiya 4 жыл бұрын
Remember when folks believed that Froakie was going to be ass and pooped all over its hopes and dreams and called it ugly, because they were more aroused by Fennekin and Chespin? The "ugly" one had the most success
@treygreypaws3689 4 жыл бұрын
Lmfao I remember, I picked Froakie cause I didn't want a fire fighting fox or grass type (didn't want grass cause I just used servperior also used emboar too in black)
@ethanc.1443 4 жыл бұрын
I always thought Froakie was the best looking gen 6 starter
@tatsukinomiya 4 жыл бұрын
@Ghoul Gaming I'm just glad I'm not the only one to call him Grenigga, because that's exactly what he is lmao
@lolicunny2 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Chespin was the most disliked Starter though.
@tatsukinomiya 4 жыл бұрын
@@lolicunny2 Not initially
@ChampionProductionsYT 4 жыл бұрын
Man I have been waiting for this for so long 😁
@b2j135 4 жыл бұрын
20:10 unless it was Female. Then you knew FOR SURE it was Protean...or Torrent
@kyle-cl1by 4 жыл бұрын
b2j135 wait how
@nousername191 4 жыл бұрын
@@kyle-cl1by can't have Female Battle Bond Greninja
@byronlyons3548 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget shiny, as you can't have that on BB Greninja either.
@akr0b4t 4 жыл бұрын
Battle bonds gren has to be male and non-shiny
@n484251 3 жыл бұрын
... Unless that's Protean male regular greninja, then you fucked.
@phoenixa4212 4 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine how long Rotom and its appliances and Landorus T is going to be... Now that i think about it what is cinderace going to be like.. Imagine a vgc where cinderace with libero and greninja with protean staring down at the opponent...
@xAnttern Жыл бұрын
rip og battle bond, it’s not the same
@Horret69 Жыл бұрын
Ash Greninja will be missed
@bakuraryu7773 Жыл бұрын
He is coming back in the next 7 star raid, let’s all of us hope it’s ash-greninja
@EpiclyEpicGamer Жыл бұрын
@@bakuraryu7773 ash greninja isn't in the game, it's ability was changed to be a 1 time +1 to attacks, sp atk, and speed,
@foodmr2022 Жыл бұрын
it's way to powerful in the new generations
@leojun2 4 жыл бұрын
Even though I don't play Pokemon competitively, I love watching your videos! They are so detailed and well explaned!
@calebdonaldson7044 4 жыл бұрын
KZfaq rn: lets take the comment section and push it somewhere else
@thebraveguy9808 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Am I the only one who kind of hates that change?
@Jam_Fam 4 жыл бұрын
The Brave Guy no you are definitely not
@isaacbarton1227 4 жыл бұрын
If it ain't broke; don't fix it!
@kryo4491 3 жыл бұрын
The comments works fine for me, I'm not sure what changed
@sebarsht12 4 жыл бұрын
Nobody: Sword and Shield: Hey guys, remember how GOOD Protean was, let's see that with a Fire-type. I'm sure everything will be fine.
@artolas 4 жыл бұрын
Oh boy here comes darmanitan
@DaGamingCore 4 жыл бұрын
Naw, he means Cinderace. Although you can't get it legit yet, Cinderace's hidden ability is basically protean.
@frozenvoltz6739 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think Cinderace is gonna be as O.P as Greninja
@shadowtitanx3962 4 жыл бұрын
Nah. Greninja is WAY stronger than Cinderace. Cinderace has average Coverage other than Gunk Shot to slay Clefable. Iron Head is meh. Sucker Punch is meh. And, Zen Missbutt is eh. For Greninja, it has great Mixed Attacking stats, which massively sets apart from Cinderace. Plus, Court Change is a mandatory move slot for Hazard Control. As well as Pyro Ball and U-Turn.
@artolas 4 жыл бұрын
@@frozenvoltz6739 it has bigger usage in ubers than Greninja because of court change lol, and deals massive damage to zacian which is the best ubers mon atm
@chialeendrums 4 жыл бұрын
Yay finally you made a video about my favorite Pokemon, Greninja! He’s awesome!
@acedeepy4479 3 жыл бұрын
Greninja : Why did i got banned :( Reason : Throwing Trash cans to Fairy Types
@CJay101 3 жыл бұрын
Why did it throw itself at fairies
@yaboywest5856 3 жыл бұрын
@@CJay101 says the mimikyu pfp okay
@CJay101 3 жыл бұрын
@@yaboywest5856 greninja is weak to fairy types lmao
@hellothere4892 3 жыл бұрын
@@CJay101 Gunk shot go brrrrr
@CJay101 3 жыл бұрын
@@hellothere4892 disguise exists 💀
@callmeosho7792 4 жыл бұрын
How good was greninja? Me: It's greninja you need an explanation?
@de4thb0rn57 4 жыл бұрын
"How good was Greninja actually", you're shorter than I expected
@alessandroarroyo1731 Жыл бұрын
Tabu Bulu: **set Grassy Terrain** Greninja: Congratulation. YOU PLAYED YOURSELF.
@hecatia666 4 жыл бұрын
I remember Joaquin's Greninja, it kicked my ass so bad I didn't got to do anything But that was so good, so good I felt admiration!
@Yhormungandr 4 жыл бұрын
I honestly expected a fifty minute video. Not that I'm dissapointed.
@HRCFre4k 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder how long Heatran will be
@artolas 4 жыл бұрын
Oh man you are in for a treat
@mainakbiswas1758 4 жыл бұрын
it's been only 2 gens for Greninja lol, And it's not that great in doubles , But yeat Mat block definitely a thing when Garchomp needs a SD lol
@Yhormungandr 4 жыл бұрын
@@mainakbiswas1758 Incineroar has been in 1 gen and the current one, but it won't stop him from being in a half-hour video.
@MisterSleep1123 4 жыл бұрын
HRCFr34k wanna bet for Landorus-T?
@N12015 4 жыл бұрын
You forgot one place: Smash bros. He is, much like sheik, in the ninja archetype, a light, tall character with lackluster damage but amazing, versatile combos until high percentages. In smash 4 he was... decent, a higher mid tier who popularized the "better nerf greninja" because he was losing constantly his gimmicks, forced to rely on footstools. In Ultimate he is a High tier because of a lot of new kill confirms into up smash (He really loves the landing lag reduction), good enough to win top players, specially by players like Glutonny or Lea, but not so popular because Joker outshines almost everyone; still, you know a character is good when he can achieve top 8 in a big tournament like glitch 8.
@mr.krustykrust 4 жыл бұрын
Can’t forget his falling speed allows for up-air drag downs as well
@awesometown1000 4 жыл бұрын
Nothing is funnier than using your enemies as a trampoline.
@N12015 4 жыл бұрын
@@mr.krustykrust That's also a Joker and Sheik gimmick who is decent and can be used alongside lick, but he also gained a safer kill confirm in down tilt and N-air. The problem with Greninja in Smash 4 was its bad air game outside of up-air and footstools, because he couldn't autocancel any air move in a short hop (He still can't, but landing lag is lower in ultimate), as well as a terrible grab game and being the Smash's equivalent of Irelia; if something taught me Little Mac, is that air game, recovery and grabs are important to not being an awful bottom tier (At least the ninja has the second one). Ultimate greninja still lacks a good grab game, but so do Joker, and at least he (Ash's greninja is male) has now a good synergy between ground and air moves, and more options in general which is important (Ask Ike, Piranha plant or Little Mac if you don't believe me).
@bunabobby 4 жыл бұрын
also greninja OOS options are ass
@N12015 4 жыл бұрын
@@bunabobby No character is perfect. Greninja does NOT have an amazing frame data, he has incredibly low endlag and startup on GROUNDED moves, which allow him to have sick combos. The only usable OoS is the B-air. You know someone has terrible defensive game when his most reliable OoS is jab.
@sarvukruv2137 4 жыл бұрын
Of all the gen 6 pokemon that could've been covered, I'm glad that it was Greninja who was chosen to be the first gen 6 pokemon. Greninja was tailor made to be one of the best pokemon of all time, in both competitive pokemon and the hearts of fans. I still want you to cover Krookodile though
@RazorusR3X777 Жыл бұрын
How nerfed was Protean actually
@LucyRoseLuna 4 жыл бұрын
I´m already hyped for "how good was cinderace actually?" I know, I have to wait quite some time for that, but I´m definetely looking forward
@starduststriker8792 3 жыл бұрын
Greninja: * is in OU for the entirety of its existence due to its type-changing ability * Cinderace: You know, I'm something of a Greninja myself
@Emobullymaguire 3 жыл бұрын
Cinderace: I had to beat Gamefreak with a stick to this ability.
@hinokamikagura4153 3 жыл бұрын
awesome video mate
@kmwright19 4 жыл бұрын
I was on Team Froakie before it was cool. When I saw Greninja for the first time admittedly I was like "WTF?!" because of that tongue scarf. I couldn't decide if it was genius or insane. It ended up as my favorite Pokémon of all time. I love its design, its ability (especially since it fits with the ninja "master-of-disguise" motif), and its shiny (again fits in with its ninja theme and is great looking to boot). It got me to watch the anime again, which IMO is the best season. I was also estactic that it got in Smash 4 (didn't see coming) and is now a top tier threat in Smash Ultimate without all that BS nerfs (I wish Sakurai would leave that Pokemon alone). I haven't felt this excited over a Pokémon since I was a kid with Charizard, only except Greninja was as competitive as the anime depict it to be. I wasn't looking forward to Sun/Moon but I admit I was suckered in because of that Ash-Greninja demo (best demo ever). I really like Battle Bond Greninja due to how convenient it was to get and that it felt like a balanced "mega". You had to legit earned its overpowered form. While I'm not too happy that it's not in Sw/Sh, at least there's still Smash and it won Pokémon of the year. I hope Greninja continues to be one of the best starters. If it gets "nerfed", I hope it's still competitive like Aegislash and not end up like Talonflame. It annoys me that Gamefreak is using Cinderace to be the next Greninja with Libero instead of giving it is own originality. That just felt like they were not even being subtle about who they want to be the IT Pokémon without waiting for the fans to decide for themselves. Sorry for the essay. I'm just glad that you covered him despite being too soon for Gen 6 and I hope a Smash analysis video is coming up. For next Pokémon, I like to see Ferrothorn or a Swampert remake (Gen 7).
@notvex3987 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the tounge scarf was increadibly creative..but a bit wierd
@jamesaddy8438 4 жыл бұрын
I remember when this series was in its early days and I was so sad thinking about how long it would take to get to greninja but here it is!
@tobiasgund8048 4 жыл бұрын
I don't like that we already have a Gen 6 mon, when we even still have some Gen 1 mons left.
@CrazedKasaJizo 2 жыл бұрын
@@tobiasgund8048 Why? FSG don’t have to go in order, and it’s not interesting to keep getting the same start and descent
@tyson123123123 4 жыл бұрын
Probably the best starter pokemon of all time, alongside with Blaziken
@aerohydreigon1101 4 жыл бұрын
Unpopular Opinion Greninja sucks, is overrated and GameFreak is biased to it
@ethanc.1443 4 жыл бұрын
@@aerohydreigon1101 It don't suck if it's good Lmao
@Karaaa99 4 жыл бұрын
AeroHydreigon overrated in terms of what? He’s a good Pokémon, badass in the anime, a good competitive Pokémon, and he’s great in terms of design. You can’t call something overrated without being specific
@Karaaa99 4 жыл бұрын
AeroHydreigon he’s also been cut from gen 8, so that proves your point wrong regardless
@rajt9996 4 жыл бұрын
@@Karaaa99 1. Better abilities and stats than the other starters 3. Garbage anime form 4. It's in smash 5. More popular than charizard 6. Game freak is too biased 7. Better shiny than other starters
@Vivat_Veritas 4 жыл бұрын
Always glad to cause a bit of chaos in the Patreon vote! Thanks to the Discord for making my ridiculous dream happen.
@venousbog 4 жыл бұрын
How on earth am I not subscribed? Smashed it I love your videos
@OptimusMinor1 4 жыл бұрын
How good was Exploud actually? BOOMBURST!!!!
@SaltyTreecko 4 жыл бұрын
Alternate title: How GOOD was Battle Bond ACTUALLY?
@yarc9 4 жыл бұрын
SaltyTreecko meh only he useless without it
@MrEzman99 4 жыл бұрын
Battle Bond didn't exist in Gen 6, it was Protean that made Greninja a star.
@cooperm4185 4 жыл бұрын
Lol Protean got him banned to Ubers
@moltz4866 4 жыл бұрын
Also Protean
@MontageHustle 4 жыл бұрын
Well protean was incredible as well
@sagacious03 4 жыл бұрын
Good video! Thanks for uploading!
@kamalvelmurugan4875 4 жыл бұрын
Do u like poop
@craniifer 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I need to watch more of the Gen 6 competitions. The team comps looked crazy.
@kefkapalazzo1 4 жыл бұрын
Gren has an amazing design. Up there with scizor and gengar for me
@tobiasgund8048 4 жыл бұрын
I can't even enjoy that because pf its sky rocketing favouritism.
@whydoiexist2180 2 жыл бұрын
@@tobiasgund8048 tbf its significantly more subtle then there love for charizard
@RealBeastBoy007 2 жыл бұрын
@@whydoiexist2180 Lol Charizard is the most overrated
@RealBeastBoy007 2 жыл бұрын
@@tobiasgund8048 if you actually wanna see favouritism then take a look at Charizard before hating on Greninja
@RealBeastBoy007 2 жыл бұрын
@@whydoiexist2180 Idk who ur against Greninja or Charizard?
@Spider-Complexion Жыл бұрын
I still will always have love for Greninja 😢
@Firescizor 4 жыл бұрын
Seeing the absolute madlad-ism of Protean makes me wonder how even more amazing Cinderace can get when he finally receives Libero as an ability. He's coverage pales in comparison to Greninja's for the most part, but even some sets with gimmicky moves like Electro Ball could be enabled by that ability I think
@Nvr2Busy 4 жыл бұрын
Finally my boy get a video! 💪🏾
@chialeendrums 4 жыл бұрын
Avery J Greninja is my favorite pokemon! He’s the best and awesome
@generalshepherd2209 4 жыл бұрын
Our first Gen 6 Pokémon! Man hard to think we’re here. I remember the first Dragonite video.
@justinarney3050 4 жыл бұрын
one of the rare times when a pokemon gets a new form but both are equally viable in the formats that allow them.
@bugjams 4 жыл бұрын
It's *_MY_* patron support and *_I_* get to choose the Pokemon!
@DunceTree93 2 жыл бұрын
I'd just like to give my personal experience with Greninja despite no one asking. So I missed ALOT of gens of Pokémon cause my family was literally dirt poor. Meaning the only gen I got to play was gen 1. I got to watch some friends play gen 2 but after that, Pokémon was not around for me. Fast forward 20 years and Sun &Moon came out. My fiancé bought it night of release for my birthday. I had to learn alot really fast, but I loved it. Then someone showed me Greninja. And to say that I fell in love with it is an understatement. I found all the anime I missed as a kid and re watched all of it BECAUSE of Greninja lmfao. I loved its design, the typing, the overall feel and playstyle. Greninja became not only my favorite starter, but one of my favorite Pokémon of all time. I sucked at competitive because I was missing like 15 years of experience, but Greninja made fall head first into competitive for the first time ever, and helped me learn a lot about the basics and strats and just how brutal competitive could actually be for Pokémon. I'm still not great by any means, but I can hold my own now. I miss him, wish he was in gen 8 but it is what it is. I get that he is just as hyped as Charizard popularity wise, but in my opinion, he's better. I'm glad that newer generations has a Pokémon that is what Charizard was for my generation.
@teddtbhoy 4 жыл бұрын
Waiting for the 2+ hour long Landorus video
@artolas 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@kyleeversfield8276 4 жыл бұрын
ffs, the deliver on that guile sonic boom joke was just perfect. So nonchalant in execution that I almost missed it completely.
@Umbrox-57 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard of battle bond but never realised how utterly broken it was until you explained it to me. Every stat you explained, topping other stats made me pause in shock.
@renatatostada3318 4 жыл бұрын
I loved using Greninja in gen 6, it was always such a good time. I think any buffs to it for doubles would have negative effects on it for singles. If it gets a defensive buff in doubles, then all the issues it causes in singles are exacerbated. I think greninja allows for such creativity from trainers that people are always gonna try to find a way with it as it is
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