The idea of vox secretly having a crush on alastor and alastor not giving an absolute fuck is actually a hilarious idea

I love the idea that Alastor and Rosie would marry for the tax benefits while just being besties while everyone thinks that they're head over heels for eachother

as an aroace i definitely feel represented as a cannibal deal-making demon

It’s actually pretty common for ace people to miss sexual jokes because it’s just not on our minds. Even if Alastor was aware what ace was it’s pretty on point for him to be blissfully unaware until someone shoves his nose in it like he’s a bad dog.

Instructions unclear, shipped Alastor with Mickey Mouse and now my everything is on fire.

Oh boy. I sure do love it when people interpret asexual as "playing hard to get" instead of "no means no".

fr, i’m an aroace and this video is just covers all basis as an aroace person, i’m fine with the topic of sex or romance, and even find it interesting …unless it involves me. then i just get very uncomfortable, because hell no

Instructions unclear, Alastor is an Ace fighter pilot in my fanfic Okay for people who don’t get it, ‘Ace’ has been a term for fighter pilots who’ve shot down Five or more enemy Aircraft since WW1.

"The Sexuals" sounds like a really comical band name and I love that.

Alastor: I'm not into anyone The fandom: I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that

Ok I’ve never watched this show but the fucking “the what now” in that old showtuney-esque old timey voice and then it immediately cutting off is sending me

Greyace here. I see Alastor as the type who would be entirely repulsed by sexual advances and romance, but would be the one to listen to everyone else's romance problems and give advice like a podcast lol

Someone mentioned the idea of Rosie and Alastor being in an asexual version of a lavender marriage back in in their time and I LOVED it. Platonic auntie and uncle is where it’s at

The sheer power of "No one can commit me to a relationship of any kind. I am unrelationshippable. You can never have me." is something I will now strive to match somewhere in my life.

My ace friends are getting married soon and yet I still STILL have to explain to people all the time that just because I’m ace doesn’t mean I’m going to die alone and unhappy smh. Maybe I’ll be happy with just friends, maybe I’ll be in a queer platonic couple, maybe I’ll be in a romantic nonsexual relationship and that doesn’t mean that I’m going to be in an unfulfilling relationship!

I’ve seen some people completely dismiss the idea of Al being Aro/Ace as well as taking signs of his manipulation as his “love” for Charlie and use it as an excuse to ship them

To paraphrase a tumblr post I saw, "Alastor doesn't even have the excuse of homosexuality to explain his rivalry with Vox, he's just a freak"

As an aro/ace, I will definetly put world domination above a romantic relationship of any kind.

definitely gonna call allos 'the sexuals' from now on

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"Asexuality is a spectrum, some people experience sexual attraction!", they say about the character that is standing so close to the end of the spectrum that if they took another step, they'd fall to their death.

What I sometimes feel is really a downer is that people don't care about characters unless they can be shipped romantically. There is SO much value in stuff outside of romantic fanfic or fanart, and a character still can be loved and valued. It would be validating as a aro/ace person as well.

*Alastor and lucifer hating each other* The fandom: ‘hmmm yes these guys are gay af’

More people need to realize that people that dont want to date or have sex exist

"Even among misfits you're a misfit" got me good

Tbh I think it's weird how most Tumblr sexymen like Bill, Sans or Alastor aren't actually prone to romantic relashionships

I'd love if Rosie was ace aro and was just marrying people to eat them, though she's probably not and probably straight, it's still a funny little headcanon

As an aroace when i realised alastor was asexual/aromantic i was super happy to be represented in some way, buuut i regretted my decisions when i saw him being shipped everywhere 😭

I think its been confirmed that he's Aro-Ace by Viv. It is also confirmed that he doesn't enjoy the company of men because of his issues with father when he was alive. He only enojy the company of women but platonically, that's why he hugs Mimzy and Rosie and is ok with interacting with Charlie. He never touched another dude on screen (only when killing them lol), and is easilly anoyyed with men.

I LOVE all the explorable dynamics where Alastor doesn't date anyone with one sided Radiostatic being my absolute favorite tbh

As an aeroace individual that's my only thing. Like okay ship him if you want but my god we get like no representation in anything. gay/lesbian relationships are becoming more and more 'normalized' so please just let us have this.

THANK YOU! Aroace characters get slim representation and as soon as they get representation the fandom snatches it up and lights it on fire.

Cut to the saiki k fandom where the main character repeatedly says he does not care for romance and never wants to date anyone and romantic/sexual attraction alludes him and half the fandom is still like “it’s just a headcanon” or “well he could just be in denial” It’s really sad how so many people will come up with every excuse under the sun as to why a character isn’t aro/ace like please we barely get any rep as is at least admit you’re breaking canon 😭 (Go watch saiki k btw it’s got the most aro/ace rep I’ve ever seen in my life it’s lovely)

Still reeling that Twitter stans actually fought Amir Talai when he made a post about Alastor being aroace because Alastor makes "gay little poses". My sibling in Christ, a pose can't be gay. It can only fall under a gay caricature. Amir said it perfectly; "You don't have to fck to be fab."

Just here, happy to hear another ace expound on Alastor 😅 Honestly, would also super love an episode exploring Alastor’s asexuality (like him discovering what it even is). That’d be super interesting and just a breath of fresh air IMO.

8:08 lol "in front of angel dust is fine though he'd probably enjoy it"

I said I’m asexual at work and a coworker asked me if I would take hormone therapy to fix me

“She’s much too young for you” Charlie is 200 years old

I love how in 3:01, despite being shirtless, Alastor still has his tie on.

Oh my god. I joined a Hazbin group on Facebook and I tried to state your exact point over. And over. And over again. I DO NOT PERSONALLY CARE WHAT PEOPLE SHIP IN GOOD FUN. But seeing the defenses of their pornographic content get a blanket defense of "BUT ASEXUALITY IS A SPECTRUM" honestly triggered me from a life of pain and invalidation because of my asexuality. And then I'd get mobbed by people either not reading what I said and insisting that I was the weird asshole "ship-shaming" them or trying to allo-splain my own sexuality to me and saying that actually I was the one being acephobic because YOU SEE I was flattening the entire asexual spectrum down to one experience! My favorite was a long list from an absolutely infuriated someone telling me to educate myself because "Asexual people can experience sexual attraction," and "Aromantic people can pine for romantic relationships." Eventually, while the mods of that group did not decline posts that were flat out transphobic, homophobic, or racist, when I tried to give it another go to explain where I was coming from in a polite essay format, my post got declined. And then it got declined again. And that's when I decided to leave that group for my own stress. Apparently there's some kind of cRaZy AsExUaL hate mob that's like harassing people for making fan content of Alastor??? I didn't see that, but I sure as fuck did see the same acephobic defenses of their fan content over and over again that kept reminding me of every person who had ever invalidated my identity so that was nice. Anyway, thanks for saying it. I'd share this video around fan spaces, but I don't want to get mobbed again or bring people in who might leave mean comments.

Holy FUCK, thank god someone said it. I'm aroace, and I think shipping characters on the ace/aro spectrum is completely fine, so long as you don't start to expect it in cannon, or tell people that they can't ship the character with anyone else. You've voiced that perfectly, and I thank you for it.

6:34 also at some point he told Sir Pentious "this [piece of his jacket] is the most anyone managed to get off [him]", which is both "I'm untouchable in a fight" and "sex was never in the cards for me"

Vivzie basically confirmed Alastor is written to be AroAce but didnt confirm it so shippers can have their fun and i think thats kinda bullshit, there's already like zero rep for Ace people, and im "technically" on the ace spectrum being demiromantic/demisexual but i dont really get much from ace rep, i still think its needed, same way how i want more non toxic transfem representation

The "ace in the hole" joke also means: She's too young for you, oh don't worry, I know you're not dating her, I know you're using her for your own advantage. Because that's what "ace in the hole" means. Like having a trick up your sleeve or a trumf card.

in all fairness, as an ace person, id feel kind of infantilized if the ace character in hazbin wasnt completely fucked up in some way. like, every other character is a horrible person, theyre in hell for a reason, and if Alastor didnt fit in with that it could play into the “innocent naive child” stereotype of asexuals.

It had been confirmed prior to the start of the series that Alastor was both Ace and Aro. So it's not a case of the writers being confused by the wording, they are deliberately writing him to be both on purpose.

Radiosilence exists and it’s perfect

I really appreciate this take on it! There‘s something I‘d like to add: I think because there isn‘t much ace, aro or aroace representation, when there is any everyone on the spectrum tends to jump on it, which doesn’t the conflict created by people ignoring the sexuality alltogether. You kind of touched on it in the video with people using Alastor to explore their own sexualities, or use Fanworks to create their own representation, but because it‘s such a big spectrum those works clash a lot. And as you said, that would be fine if everyone was aware of the nuances of asexuality and aromanticism, we could all just go about our day and avoid the content we don‘t like. But 1)the majority of people not on the spectrum or close to people on the spectrum see the multitude of works and then get confused, building assumptions about what asexuality and aromanticism is based of fanworks and then, often in an attempt to „stop erasure“ start fighting about it. 2), When there is so little representation, sometimes any interpretation that doesn’t fit your own experience can feel like somebody trying to erase you. I‘ve seen people who are on the spectrums fighting each other over Alastor representations because it doesn‘t fit with their own experience. I think it‘s just hard when the spectrum is so wide that experiences can completely contradict each other and representing one might feel like it somewhat erases the other. In an ideal world, we would all just co-exit, but I‘ll be the first to admit that I felt erased when people started being so insistent Alastor couldn‘t be in any form of relationship because of his sexuality, and then started my spectrum counter argument which might have accidentally talked over the people who did feel represented by that take (I‘m trying to be more mindful about it but we‘re all human and just trying to have fun with our fiction, we‘ll make mistakes). When that argument gets tangled with the people just ignoring the representation alltogether, it turns into the mess we now have…

Something often missed by the “spectrum” crowds is that intelligence and consciousness also are a spectrum. Some people are perfectly capable of understanding nuance and some people simply can’t no matter how much you yell at them.

As a fellow AroAce person, I'm not complaining about a cannibal murderer being my sexuality's representation :]

"filthy hermit who will die alone" WHAT?! 😭😭

0:05 I’m sorry but I can’t get the “lets be gay” out of my head my friends did something to me LMAO

As an aroace person (I'm speaking for MYSELF, not everyone else), I don't mind shipping. It happens to every character and that's that, they're not real people. However if it comes at the cost of said shippers obscuring and invalidating aroace folks, then it's an issue for me. To me the shipping is only okay if the person doing so has a conscience that aroace people are very real and not playing up an act, weird or "defective".

As an aroace, I think you put it perfectly. I have absolutely no issue with people shipping Alastor, whether sexually or romantically, when they know that he's canonically ace and their ships are fanon for their own enjoyment. What grinds my gears a little is people insisting it could really happen in the show, and that he's not TOTALLY ace, etc etc. I've seen someone say they ship him because asexuality isn't real, that one hurt.

Honestly, I have been WAITING for somebody to post a video like this. This addresses it really well with minimal points, and I’m honestly glad someone talked about it, because whenever someone talks about Alastor ships, it makes me kinda uncomfortable, cuz of his sexuality. I also like the detail of the spectrum, and the idea of shipping characters for dynamics, not the relationship. Thanks for making this!

personally, as an aroace person, i don't care who you ship who with (as long as it isn't yk illegal and gross idgaf that they're in hell it's still weird), people create homoerotic relationships with canonically straight characters and nobody seems to care about that, why should it be different just because i'm apart of the lgbtq community?

It's so weird that asexuality is rarely represented in the media

Considering how hyper sexual and sex obsessed our society is right now, I can see why most people do not get asexuality or aromanticism. They may likely confuse it with sexual aversion or sexual revulsion.

If you look at Alastor’s reaction to the whole ace in the hole line, he didn’t know what it meant. If Vox does like him and Alastor just isn’t interested he can’t explain to Vox that he isn’t attracted to anyone. He has no language for that he doesn’t know how to describe it and to him it’s just normal that if he says no and others should respect that. Friends he’s had might have been his friends because they weren’t interested in him. And Vox may have been a friend till Vox expressed interest and Alastor said no but Vox won’t take no for an answer.

I love the fact Rosie is more aware of relationships and sexualities and stuff. She's also really good at helping, Alastor trusts her somewhat and they're friends so he could totally learn from her whether he does that by watching her help Charlie or her helping him with his sexuality from the sidelines it's just a really cute dynamic

Viv has actually stated in old live streams that he is aroace, but that doesn’t really translate into the joke. She has also gone on to state he doesn’t realize that he is, and just thinks he hasn’t met the right person (which makes sense given the time period he was alive in). Also if you like Owl House, Lilith is confirmed to be AroAce

Shipping and people’s personal headcanons are so powerful that they dare rival against what’s canonical. Kinda crazy to think about.

As someone who is both non-binary and pansexual, so basically "I don't care about genders" and "nobody's save from my lust" combined, the concept of aromantic/asexual is indeed the polar opposite of anything I can comprehend. Like, I'm the 24/7 horny jail demon (naturally, I relate a lot to Angel Dust lol). Yet it was an interesting video. 😁

Someone on a call called me an "ace in the hole" when I told them I was aro ace. I told them there was no hole and they thought that was a sex joke. I just meant I didn't play golf 💀

I never knew there was a whole show attached to that one Verbalase animation.

I REALLY hope we get more aroace Alastor in canon, I’m grayromantic myself and yet here I am screaming when I see aroace rep on the evil sometimes sexual demon show. Also fuck everyone Emily is also aroace (grayromantic + asexual in this case) because I said so. Also apparently according to the wiki (haha very reliable) Mimzy and Alastor apparently dated in early development before Alastor was chosen to be Aroace.

people need to understand that you can respect a character's preferences and also get silly with them. its seriously not that deep and you can literally find vivziepop's OWN DRAWINGS of alastor and angel kissing and shit. like shipping is never inherently s*xual and it makes me sad that thats what people always first think... like pls 😭

I feel like it’s difficult to get aro/ace representation “right” because of just how diverse everyone’s experiences are on the spectrum. But I suppose that could be said for other sexualities as well. I do agree that it gets rather tiresome when fandom constantly glosses over those who are genuinely repulsed by intimacy, but it’s also nice when there’s room to interpret a character in the grey or fluctuating area. One major red flag when exploring aro/ace characters is when the romance/sex is forced onto them without consent. Any semblance of a “I can fix him” mentality when approaching the subject of asexuality can get real uncomfortable and devolve into unwanted sexual harassment. Another awful trend is depicting aro/ace characters to be “emotionless” or lacking any empathy for those around them. I don’t understand where this stereotype came from but it’s really harmful and it sucks how others can’t acknowledge platonic relationships to be just as fulfilling. Just because we lack those desires doesn’t make us “broken” or that we “haven’t found the right pairing”. The expectation that all characters are interested in romance (unless explicitly stated otherwise) can get rather exhausting, but hey that’s just how fandom works. I just find it ironic since I’ve always viewed it the opposite way. I rather love when characters are content being single lol

Yay! You're back! About Rosie's line: With her early 1900s aesthetic, she isn't exactly someone who is up to date, and most likely learns more modern terms through interactions with more modern Sinners. In general, she seems fairly social, certainly enough to attend Overlord meetings, and give advice to her cannibals. And if romance really is her specialty, then it makes sense she would eventually find out what an asexual person is. BUT being old-timey, it also makes sense she would assume that asexual and aromantic mean the same thing when they don't. One of the artists mentioned Vox actually IS into Alastor, but that was on a stream before the Pilot was even out. Whether it's still canon remains to be seen. It appears that the two used to be friends, and Vox wanting Alastor and knowing he can't have him might've contributed to their feud. Also, yes, watch Bojack. It's awesome.

14:46 this is an actual ship! It’s called Radiosilence by the fandom and It’s fucking hilarious! This is the one non-cannon ship that I actutually enjoy. I don’t actively participate in it or anything, but I find it funny af.

Vivzepop: Alastor is aroace! half the fandom: CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

I love how on multiply live streams, including the newest post-finale livestream, they state he’s AROACE. And yet people still deny it 😭 Vivzipop has said it, Alastors VA has said it…

"trying to justify your erasure of one of our few characters" was exactly how I was thinking so true bestie.

just came back after the gaster followup to watch some of your other stuff and. shit. this video is non-stop incredible fire takes. if everything you make is this eloquent you might be my new hero

I'm aroace and being menacing instead of being weird and broken is a positive change.

I kinda like the idea of him accidentally coming off as seductive to someone, realizing it, and rolling with it to ultimately laugh in their face. also I love his pin-up on the official merch site because it's just his tie askew and he's not shirtless or something that would seem weird for his character.

As an aroace-spec hooman myself, im genuinly fine with peopl shipping aroace character for fun dynamics.. but the fandom almost always use excuses to just forget about or erase the fact the characters is aroace, which genuinely makes me SO uncomfortable.. 😅

I (aego aro/ace) remember a convo with my friend, she wanted to write a fanfic with Alastor and an OC but she wasn't sure if asexual people could have sex at all. She was even contemplating changing his sexuality for this fic. This felt very icky. The convo was definitely wild. (She didn't write it after all. Alastor is too complicated for her.) And I'm here with my aro/ace OC as Alastors pre-death tax benefit wife who secretly was a killer as well and after death, they meet up in hell again. They support each other in their evil schemes. It's very fun to imagine and write.

I love this video, thanks. Not so much half of the comments beneath it but I'm just going to stop reading them

Remember when the writers of Sherlock said asexuality was "boring" and everyone agreed because that's how little the LGBTQ+ community cares about aces? Am I surprised that in 10+ years nothing has changed? Nope.

As someone who only ships for fun but loves the fact he’s ace in canon I’m glad someone has said this because I was getting tired of some levels of toxicity not being acknowledged

I really appreciate how you talked about the difference between people having fun with fanfic and people trying to erase a part of a character's identity. I think the thing that bothers me most about when people say "but it's a spectrum, and they only said he's ace!" as an excuse for shipping asexual characters is because you shouldn't need an "excuse" that makes something fit into the canon to make fan work of it. 90% of fanfiction is made up of things that are totally out of the question for ever being canon in the slightest and that's fine. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if people acknowledged that any shipping was all of their own making and just a personal scenario they like to imagine, but lately people seem to feel the need to explain why their ship could and should become canon instantly for whatever reason instead of embracing the absurdity. I miss when people could separate the fanfiction someone makes from what they actually think about and take from the source material.

I'm not even ace and even I find the rampant sexualizing of Alastor really uncomfortable. Much as I love romantic shipping in general, I really love using Alastor to explore all the non romantic forms of affection. It's especially fun because he's so villain coded that you can sort of not notice how affectionate he actually is.

A hot character being ace is, and always has been a recipe for diseaster. Great video!

Alastor beign ace means a great deal to me, and his representation has already improved my reality as well. people at school who enjoy the show are now learning of this sexuality which saves me a LOT of time and uncomfortable conversations.. it's a shame fandoms enjoy hypersexualizing and shipping every character to the point of ignoring/erasing his aroace..ness... really shows how some folks actually view us.

People literally ignore his sexuality because they're indirectly being told NO HORNY.

I actually really like the idea of having an episode about angel and alastor, because as said they haven’t had a lot of screen time together and it could make for an interesting pairing for an episode, someone who is a very sexual character and someone who is definitely not

As an aroace dude, I'll take the demon cannibal murderer over nothing, because I literally never saw an aroace on screen before him. I literally watched Hazbin Hotel only because I heard from a KZfaq community post, made by a communist KZfaq channel, that there was an aroace on this show.

The thing about allo people saying "he COULD be greysexual/greyromantic!" is that they NEVER explore the GREY part of his orientation. They always just use that as an excuse to treat him exactly like every other allo character, and it feels like an excuse to brush his CANON ACENESS under the rug. Which especially sucks just because I can count on one hand the number of good ace representation I've seen in characters while there are a bazillion allo characters (aka LITERALLY EVERY OTHER CHARACTER IS ALLO LMAO)

I 100% ship One-sided Al x Vox, it's pretty much the only Alastor ship that I fully ship :D

Personally, i think it's fun to imagine that Alastor and Vox were at some point dating but then broke up after Alastor realized he was aromantic.

Think about it: Having Alastor as our Aroace representation is the best thing that could have happened! With his powers, there will be nothing left to stop us on our invation on denmark! ❤

8:45 I was waiting to comment "Isn't it harmless to have fan fiction do this" or something along the lines until I got to this part. I understand now, the issue isn't people who ship or do the art. It's people who when they get told x character is ace, instead of going "ye but it's fan fic" you go "HE COULD BE GREYSEXUAL" etc.

What’s funnier is that the term asexuality as we use it today was given a name in the year 1860 in Karl-Maria Kertbeny’s pamphlets.

6:24 This isn't the best showcase of Allastor being *uncomfortable* with sex, really. He doesn't have a visual response at all, he just tells Angel "No", very simply A better example, though it's the pilot rather than Season 1 proper, is also with Angel Dust, when he comes on to Allastor there's a bit of a visual gag of Allastor's face in front of broken glass before he tells Angel "No", and I think that goes *much* farther to illustrate that Allastor might be outright repulsed by the idea

100% agree on "I enjoy my fanfiction, I know it's not real." Just ship whoever you want. If people don't agree on your ships because of their own perspective, it's totally fine, don't start war about it and ruin everybody's fun. Ships won't sink just because they sail to directions that is different from canon. Ships will exist if people believes it.

The idea of Angel helping Al discover his sexuality/romantic orientation would be SO great. The hypersexualized character helping out the acearo one feels so wholesome.

THANK YOU SM FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS BUT YOU SAID IT SO MUCH BETTER THAN I COULD, YOU ARE VERY CORRECT ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINJS ALSO

The only acceptable Alastor ship is Alastor and Rosie platonically getting married as besties for tax benefits

2:25 The writers definitely DO know the difference, they just said "Ace in the hole" for that joke. That doesn´t mean they don´t know the difference.