Ill never forgive adult swim for canceling moral orel for daring to talk about SA as a serious topic. Its fine if its a joke but not if its actually taken seriously. 😠
@oneofakind99956 ай бұрын
That's fucked up knowing they have the hand bannana episode.
@juannaym84886 ай бұрын
@@oneofakind9995 hand bannana?
@juannaym84886 ай бұрын
@@rayetheraptor they wanted one more season of Bojack but the animators wanted to unionize due to catastrophal working conditions, so Netflix pulled the plug
@oneofakind99956 ай бұрын
@juannaym8488 Basically Carl gets "graped" by a clone of shakes hand MANY times. It's a very controversial episode because it's jokes are mainly Carl getting "graped" by hand bannana with no one believing him.
@dragoness7776 ай бұрын
Yeah, and it was mostly the traumatic aspect if it that Morel Orel was trying to explore, even suggesting a woman's choice to abort after the event was too far for TV. Why is making fun of the concept of genocide, religion or even abuse/assault okay but the second someone tries to talk about trauma seriously on TV the plug is suddenly pulled? That infuriates me to no end.
@J.C_Hong6 ай бұрын
So, this is just my anecdotal opinion, but I believe it is necessary to show the horror of SA to get people to take it more seriously. I'm an SA survivor and had to go through the wringer reporting and following up on my case only to see it mishandled by the University with the blatant power imbalance on full display. My abuser had lawyers and money, I had nothing. So, my abuser walked away scott free. I understand why some people may take offense to displaying SA in fiction in any form and that's their opinion, but I believe a diverse method of exposing this horrible thing is needed in our society.
@Thebeezzkneezz.6 ай бұрын
I agree. But there are some dipictu9ns that are just disgusting. I watched "irreversible" and felt sick by the rape and attack scene. It was played out in full And it can retraumatize people. As someone who was SA'd I couldnt get that scene out of my head for weeks after I watched it
@dataexpunged93N156 ай бұрын
What I don't understand is why people seem to be perfectly fine with murder, death, suicide, and SH being in media, but get upset when SA is discussed. These are all real things that people go through, and should be treated as such. Talking about SA in media seems to be entirely off the table to some people, which is I something I'll never understand, because those stories need to be told as well. People who went through anything like that deserve to feel represented and seen.
@serenitymoon8256 ай бұрын
@@dataexpunged93N15 because the person who gets SA'd still has to live with those memories. I can imagine that the family members of murd3r victims can't stand watching movies like Saw or Halloween, just as i refuse to watch any movies with r@p3 scenes in them so i dont have to relive those memories
@dylans06306 ай бұрын
I am so sorry that happened to you 😢 I hope you find peace and happiness in your life 🩵
@bobtheball53846 ай бұрын
@@dataexpunged93N15 I don't think suicide is a good example- cause people made good arguments against the way 13 reasons why portrayed suicidal ideation in a harmful way. Also, I feel like when it comes to SA, it's a topic that isn't always treated seriously for the victims, especially for children, men and or women at a disadvantage. I think that's why people are so sensitive about how the topic is handled, because either their lived experience is just a joke and or something to laugh about, or as a plot device and or a tool, not to give depth to characters but to just have a shocking scene.
@lbird5246 ай бұрын
Blue eyed samurai handled it in one of the most beautiful ways, it never shies away from violence, nudity, s3x, etc, but the one character we never see naked is the csa and SA victim, she’s always covered by shadow/smoke/etc or we see her face, never her fully nude body, we also don’t see her bruises, they’re mentioned and implied (in a way that doesn’t shy away from it), but never explicitly see it, that choice was taken away from her constantly in her life, so we never get to take it from her too. It felt very respectful and serious.
@hairlessgrizzly5596 ай бұрын
Its been a while since I've watched the show, are you talking about the girl who Mizu was asked to kill and give the hand sign to before that?
@lbird5246 ай бұрын
@@hairlessgrizzly559 yes :) the way the handled her history felt really respectful
@grimtygranule51256 ай бұрын
@@lbird524 schizo
@Nonexistin6 ай бұрын
absolutely, phenomenal show
@user-pi3hd2bt3f6 ай бұрын
I wonder if the reason for that was because one of the creators and the director were women
@minecraftdarby19056 ай бұрын
1:21 When I was younger my mom told me about SA. We were going to one of my aunts weddings, but there were going to be a bunch of teenage boys there we did not know( I was 8-9 at the time). She told me that if someone touch’s me then I have permission to fight back, and that if that happens scream as loud as possible. That I should tell her if anything happens. My mom was trying to keep me safe.
@MASTEROFEVIL6 ай бұрын
A valuable but unfortunate lesson. Just because it's family and friends of the family doesn't mean they can automatically be trusted
@CosmicKitten676 ай бұрын
My mom had a conversation with me about it as well once when I was young and I am now incredibly grateful for that
@pissapocalypse6 ай бұрын
You have a good mom. These things are extremely important for parents to talk to their children about. It helps keep them safe.
@CosmicKitten676 ай бұрын
@@pissapocalypse indeed she does
@edge_583426 ай бұрын
I wish my parents had that talk with me when I was younger because my school never gave us the 'Good touch, bad touch' lesson(which I highly suspect that my parents were hoping the school would do). If I had had this lesson, then maybe I wouldn't have been SA for 4 years(8-12)by my older cousin, who even manipulated me into thinking it was okay even though it felt wrong. But to be honest, I am not going to blame or hold resentment towards my parents for what happened to me. We were a growing family(a family of 6), and my parents were trying to do everything they could to give me and my little siblings a good life. Plus, after I finally came forward about my abuse, my mom cried with me and even found a therapist for me to help me through processing my trauma.
@lk_30996 ай бұрын
This topic is a huge deal. Speaking as someone who had a terrible experience in elementary school, I never felt comfortable with scenes of girl characters stalking and forcing themselves into clearly uniterested boys (why was this a common trope in cartoons?!). Regardless of who did it to who, it is not funny in any way, shape or form, not even if the villains are the victims of such. Pushing it any further without tact is a huge sin. I hope to be able to handle these kinds of topics properly and with maturity in my own works.
@aidennevada2436 ай бұрын
I agree and wish you all the successes with your stories!
@SquamataReptile6 ай бұрын
It’s a double standard unfortunately. :(
@garbageenthusiasm45886 ай бұрын
@@SquamataReptileThere's many examples in media of girls getting Sa'd which is used for comedy (mainly in Japanese media but there are still some in western). I understand where you're coming from by saying that male victims are more likely to be made into a joke, but please don't act like women's SA is always taken seriously. This is definitely an issue for every gender
@SquamataReptile6 ай бұрын
@@garbageenthusiasm4588 oh yes of course, im not saying women being sexually assaulted is taken seriously all the time. It definitely is a problem for both sexes which is really sad.
@garbageenthusiasm45886 ай бұрын
@@SquamataReptile Sorry if I came off as aggressive 😅 I just feel passionately about all SA being horrible crimes regardless of sex. Just because someone is a man doesn't mean they "wanted it" and just because someone is a woman doesn't mean it's not an up hills battle to get their story to be taken seriously. Clearly you understand that though, I'm glad we're in agreement :)
@rosiv96176 ай бұрын
It also angers me how stigmatized boy's and men's sexual assault is. You have the guys who use it to invalidate women's sexual assault, but then end up being the same guys who contribute to it's stigmatation. They use it to push their misogyny without actually careing when it happens. There was a meme about a news report of a female teacher assaulting a teenage boy and the joke was that he said he "wanted it." Its not funny. He's still a kid. We ALL wanted it at the time. Because we were stupid kids who didn't realize how harmful it would be to us later on. Anyways. People shouldn't take it less seriously just because the perpetrator is an attractive woman and the victim said they consented. Children can't consent to adults.
@Rapture-nv5vj6 ай бұрын
How dare you speak the TRUTH! That's why we need to talk about it and stop this bullshit of excuses like "Boys and girls are different, so for him it's fine", "Of course he wanted it", "Everyone must be jealous now" or "Men always want it"
@rosarolli6 ай бұрын
My brother uses male SA to put down what he did to me
@youtubestudiosucks9786 ай бұрын
@@rosarolli have you tried craigslist? It's full of psycho's willing to do anything for money
@yoboibeerus13876 ай бұрын
Who's "we all" bro?
@MASTEROFEVIL6 ай бұрын
South Park actually called this out when Kyle's brother dates his kindergarten teacher
@theemoturtle70026 ай бұрын
As someone who has dealt with this kind of trauma with myself, I find that angel dust and his reaction to being abused is the most not only realistic, but also I can empathize with it. I started to become promiscuous after my assault and without the proper help I probably wouldn't be where I am today. I got into therapy and I learned that that wasn't my identity. I had more to offer than my body. Sadly, angel dust just from the time that he was alive. Probably never had that. Thus probably doesn't have the knowledge that this kind of help now exists or has the ingrained idea that therapy is just a whole bunch of malarkey. Whenever I hear someone say that this is fetishizing assault or that this is just something that shouldn't be talked about. I get angry because no this isn't being gross about assault and yes, people need to see it. If we don't normalize to talk about assault then how are you expecting things to get better.
@theemoturtle70026 ай бұрын
@@areakastudios6704 who?
@Homodemon6 ай бұрын
@@areakastudios6704 a shame she became a god damn Nazi
@Homodemon6 ай бұрын
I think is people getting weird vibes by like, making a parallel between the non consenting act and suffering with literal bondage and BDSM which is already pretty fetishistic in itself, like add the thing a dog collar and of course is going to look sexually weird... I dunno, it honestly makes me feel gross like, I just know some twisted fucks is going to roleplay this scenario on discord one day as the sexiest shit ever...
@vexayen16756 ай бұрын
Couldn't have said it better myself.
@goldenbasil6 ай бұрын
@areakastudios6704 how on earth does it remind you of Emily?
@drewo.1276 ай бұрын
“It’s ok to not be ok.” This needs to be said more!
@Mortablunt6 ай бұрын
Zoomers and alphas already do it way too much, we’re we’re not helping healing or moving forward, this is coddling and creating weakness.
@eatscode6 ай бұрын
As someone who gotten SA from 10 through 13 in a daycare.. it was brutal.. My self confidence was very low. I was quiet for 6 years. But one time I gotten SA again at a party, I eventualy broke down and cried.. and just told my mom everything. And the heart breaking thing for me was my litgle sister who was 6.. and confessed after I had confessed.. and it broke my heart soo damn much making me feel guilty for not confessing sooner. But now we are doing better and that dude was arrested after 11 other girls confessed the dude SA'ing them aswell. We are all doing a lot better but the scars are still there.
@Local_drugdealer6 ай бұрын
You deserve better. Im so sorry that sick monster hurted you i hope the best of you
@damjay0053 ай бұрын
So many more girls until that dude was brought down to justice is disgusting. The fact that shit like this is so common is beyond me. The world is a horrible place
@user-py2fb8je5b6 ай бұрын
I extremely love the relationship between Nurse Bendy (I'm not sure I spell it right) and Joe. She really deserves a happy ending.
@SugarViv_6 ай бұрын
You spelled it right! :D
@amazingspiderlad6 ай бұрын
Joe beating the shit outta his dad after finding how he was conceived has gotta be one of the most satisfying scenes in the show
@NicoleFlores-hq5nh6 ай бұрын
@@amazingspiderladi'll admit that i was just first watching Moral Orel, i was just shocked and wanting to know why until i found out the context and i was happy to see Joe beating that old man lmaoo
@user-py2fb8je5b6 ай бұрын
@@SugarViv_ yay
@spoodigus6 ай бұрын
I'm going to be honest, when I read SA in the title, my mind immediately jumped to thinking about Sonic Adventure
@imonly1man_6 ай бұрын
this gave me a good laugh before heading into the video proper
@MariusWales6 ай бұрын
That's... A better experience at least.😅
@juannaym84886 ай бұрын
It's like reading CP and thinking about Cyberpunk
@TerLoki6 ай бұрын
Hey, if YOU don't talk to your kids about Sonic Adventure, then who will?! :P
@supersonicsandshrew97426 ай бұрын
@@juannaym8488 or when the name Chris Paul gets shortened to cp.
@dominic_190776 ай бұрын
Getting really tired of people only focusing on ONE aspect of Val's abuse of Angel Dust. SA isn't the only type of abuse he's going through. And, being a survivor of partner abuse myself, it's actually quite hurtful to see people flip their shit over just one aspect in it as if all the other stuff doesn't exist or doesn't matter. It's not just the SA that hurts and traumatises in such a relationship. There's the emotional abuse, the warning looks, the verbal abuse, the manipulation and gaslighting, the being smacked and kicked and beaten to the floor or being thrown or bashed onto or into something, the furniture or objects flying, the knowledge you have no control, no say, and that it will keep continuing. Those are all traumatising. And Val was doing ALL of that to Angel, not just the sexual abuse. I appreciate the realistic representation of it, but am furious that people keep reducing it all to one aspect and disregard the rest. On that note, I'm very glad you touched on those other aspects. (I can't comment on the other series, because I haven't watched them.)
@Randomyoutuber-48316 ай бұрын
The sexual abuse is just another way Val exercises control over Angel. It’s an additional layer to the abuse. Reducing Angel to a rape victim is a very disrespectful oversimplification of his situation as a whole.
@dominic_190776 ай бұрын
@@Randomyoutuber-4831 YES! Exactly! And to all of us survivors of partner abuse (wher SA wasn't the only form of abuse we endured).
@The_dandy_zombie6 ай бұрын
god this! thank you!
@hihilt25896 ай бұрын
YES!! This is why, as a victim of abuse, I resonated with the episode so much even if I never experienced sexual abuse specifically. And I especially found it hard to watch how Charlie seemed so very oblivious of it all, all the warning looks from Val, all the terrified glances from Angel, etc. It reminded me way too much of people who in my very life were either willfully ignorant about my abuse or just too oblivious to it and would put me in danger because of it. It's one of my favorite, yet one of the hardest episodes to watch at least for me
@The_dandy_zombie6 ай бұрын
@@hihilt2589 as hard to watch as it was it’s also just so horrifyingly realistic. People that have never had to face or deal with abuse personally just don’t seem to get it. I remember straight up telling my maternal cousin some of the shit my dad would do to me, and then a month later when I was having an anxiety attack over a nightmare about it she asked me if I was still ‘on that’ and that I should forgive my dad already since he’s my dad. It was incredibly eye opening to realize just how much she really didn’t understand. I totally agree with you, such a good episode despite being so hard to watch.
@skywise0016 ай бұрын
Oh dont forget the "Gay friend" every woman had for a while. So the audience wouldnt feel like he threatens their desire for her.
@chips60426 ай бұрын
When Sir.Pentious got dragged into a sex room in the club after he announced he was gonna “have sex with everyone” there in an attempt to avoid embarrassment, that made me really upset. Why was him, being pulled against his will supposed to be funny? Because his character wasn’t serious at the moment? That’s no excuse, especially after Angel’s episode.
@SkuldSpookster6 ай бұрын
I mean the club was called 'Consent' and Pen did come out with all of his clothes, so I'm hoping that he came out of it fine after probably really badly explaining his situation??? Hopefully???
@PlutoTheMouze6 ай бұрын
@@SkuldSpookster That's what I assume had happened, that he got out of the room before they had sex. I highly doubt viv would allow that kind of rape joke in her show
@gamerstheater11876 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure the joke is that he technically consented, but then backed out as soon as possible
@vexayen16756 ай бұрын
This isn't like a one off thing, I do have to criticize viv for that because this kind of joke has been used before in Helluva boss aswell in Episode 3. Which I don't like. But I felt that they handled Angel's story well atleast.
@MollyDollyy7746 ай бұрын
That's a very good point... Angels situation was shown as horrible and truamatic, and rightfully so... It's horrible what he goes through from Valinetino, but then that scene with Sir Pentious, dragged against his will into that... _"sex room"_ and it was treated like a Joke... That's upsetting...
@HeliatroCipher6 ай бұрын
8:18 Thank you so much for calling Nurse Bendy's coping mechanism what it is: Age Regression; and for explaining that it's a very normal thing Pretty much all videos I've watched with her call her 'delusional'; and whenever a commenter corrects, there's always someone claiming Age Regression is 'stupid' and/or 'crazy'
@NotALotOfColonial_SpaghettiToG2 ай бұрын
I didn't even realize that I age regress myself to make up for an abusive childhood until she talked about it in this video! Realizing that I do it made it much easier to empathize with.
@bluetea81816 ай бұрын
Gosh, nurse bendy as a character is already tragic enough, but the fact that it was the episode that made Adult Swim cancel moral orel is what gets me. The second episode, Gods Chef, is literally just a joke about SA and yet they didnt mind it at all. The worst part is that Adult Swim ASKED for the show to be darker after seeing how good Nature was, and yet, they canceled the show for being "too dark".
@treadingwater866 ай бұрын
What is really sad about the controversy regarding Hazbin Hotel is that from what I have seen from the comment-section of both reactions to the episode as well as uploads of the ‘Poison’-musical segment, so many SA-survivors truly resonated with the song and how it depicted Angel’s situation. Yet it feels like the ones who are angry about it are those that has never experienced that reality and are trying to drown out the voices of those that truly understood what the episode was trying to depict. Edit: So okay, I need to acknowledge that I had no idea about the discourse on Twitter surrounding the episode mentioned above since I don’t use Twitter for my own sake. I still think that people who resonated with the episode are valid, but the topic of SA (especially when it comes to the adult industry) is complicated and people are allowed to dislike the depiction as well. And that last paragraph wasn’t the brightest idea in hindsight, but I don’t want the comments below to lose context so it is staying there for the time being. It was judgmental to say, and I’m sorry for that.
@laraprisma63816 ай бұрын
on Twitter it's even worse, so many sa survivors defending the episode and the scene, and yet they are invalidated by many who already hate the show. I do not get involved in this discussion because I have never been through these experiences and I am not qualified to speak, so I prefer to just listen to the victims and their independent opinions, whether positive or critical, because in my opinion, they deserve to be heard more than people who never suffered what they went through. their voices are more important than mine is what I mean.
@EeveelutionStorm6 ай бұрын
The people lying about it not having a warning aren't helping. The episode literally opens with a black screen warning the episode contains it.
@sophieknowles48766 ай бұрын
@@EeveelutionStorm I just watched the opening of that episode. There is no trigger warning screen, so I don't know where you've seen it. ^-^'
@drewo.1276 ай бұрын
@@laraprisma6381 my thoughts exactly!
@lost88616 ай бұрын
Omg this absolutely! As someone that hasn't been Sexually assaulted but has been groomed and such, the episode really his a raw nerve with me, it was really good without feeling out of place within the universe
@Z0MB81_GUTZ5 ай бұрын
I feel like angel dust was actually done pretty well, because people would argue “oh he’s to sexual”, that’s because he’s hypersexual. Hyper sexuality is a trauma response for when someone has experienced sexual trauma (harassment, assult, abuse, ect.) and it would cause the person to have sexual thoughts or stuff like that. I have hyper sexuality myself due to sexual trauma from something I didn’t consider was trauma before I knew more about SA. Every case is different for people who are victims, every victim has a different case. And every victim has a different way of coping with it. So angel dust acting these ways is a really good portrayal of SA, because it’s showing that how people would react very different to their case. All of these have very good representation of SA and I kinda relate to angel dust because of that.
@Shinigami88X16 ай бұрын
Here's where I respect Matt Stone and Trey Parker WAY more than Seth Macfarlene. They had an episode where Cartman became a Dog the Bounty Hunter type hall monitor. The episode also in one rare case a woman teacher and a male student relationship. which it shows how distubing it is. What makes it more impactful is how society viewed it. Like Kyle rightfully went to the police about it only to told that the police was envious of his brother being with a "hot" teacher. Thankfully to teacher was thrown at the side of the buliding.
@danielnidhiry57966 ай бұрын
i didn't like the ending, where kyle's speech where it was about relationships and how it ties u down rather than the harrowing situation
@Shinigami88X16 ай бұрын
@@danielnidhiry5796 I agree
@Shinigami88X16 ай бұрын
@@danielnidhiry5796 I agree and get where they was going....buuuttt yeah it wasnt good
@ma.20896 ай бұрын
I do like how they depicted the police and men as the ones not taking it seriously. A lot of men complain women don’t take their issues seriously, when the main perpetrators are other men. Women are misogynist too, and that stuff comes from SOMEWHERE. Also the police not taking it seriously is just life.
@Cure_Hana6 ай бұрын
“I hope you’ve learned, kids, that if you don’t go with Christ, you could end up just like that splattered bitch down on the pavement.”
@MARS-th6er6 ай бұрын
as someone who was assaulted by their past partner I think a lot of people struggle to enjoy/give angel dusts storyline a chance because of vivziespops past portrayals of assaults. They were often bits in helluva boss (unclear if they still are as i dropped the series in the beginning of season 2) and it truly makes it hard to trust a creators intent when her past displays of sexual assault on men were jokes to ridicule a mans ability to “fight back” and also just consistent “im going to forcibly have sex with you” jokes. this doesnt take away from angel dusts character but it does make sense as to why people dont give a damn or are untrusting of it, the previous representation from a creator simply was making fun of victims who would be described similarly to angel dust after all
@anlydaly57266 ай бұрын
Yeah Viv has a weird habit of making Angel's abuse be taken seriously (which as she should because it's a serious thing) yet she also plays other bits of SA and abuse for laughs. Kinda makes you wonder if the only reason Angel's abuse is being taken seriously is because he's Viv's favorite so he gets to have his trauma taken seriously
@Unhappytimeaper5 ай бұрын
@@anlydaly5726the reason is likely because Viv has been called out for Angel’s character multiple times before Hazbin officially aired finding a lot of his narrative to constantly feel fetishized. These critiques have been happening for years and so HH team honestly knew if they didn’t handle Angel well things would have gotten really messy, and while the actually conversation of Angel will always be divided it does raise a lot of question about how the whole teams treat other jokes or other cases of abuse being off putting still. Edit; I’ll clarify that the few other cases of SA jokes are very off putting for me because to me Viv was called out years ago, the team should know better. But I even think of other forms of abuse, something still present in Angel’s stories but for other characters often times people are very quick to dismiss other showcasing as “but it’s hell they are meant to be bad!!” all while understanding Angel’s situation., I think of how Blitzo very commonly verbally abuses Moxxie in Hellavu which has always been a joke (and fans have called it out as being overplayed). While the theming can’t fully contextualize in the same as Angel’s it’s weird how at times similar ideas of abuse- physical, verbal, emotional, etc are in these universes bypassed because in this situation it’s meant to be humorous. I’m not saying the inclusion is bad, i think to BoJack and how you can have deplorable characters be protagonists making Blitzo a fine candidate for the role but by making that the butt of the joke rather than Blitzo being a joke is an example of why I think abuse as a whole is a topic people tend to distrust Viv/the team with.
@toby10042 ай бұрын
hazbin hotel has an sa joke literally like two episodes after the very serious portrayal of angel dusts abuse so you aren't very far off
@ur.l0cal_fr3ak6 ай бұрын
I really like how Vizzy wrote Angle Dust. How ppl handle SA is different but I feel like when ppl think of someone who has been SA'd they think of someone who doesn't want to be touched and stuff. As that is the case for many ppl, someone like me would cope by touching/wanting to be touched (with consent) and flirting so it's nice to see how my (and many other ppl) way to cope with SA is normal and that ppl cope differently
@sailorstar31486 ай бұрын
This is why as an CSA victim myself I have Angel Dust as my comfort character
@ur.l0cal_fr3ak6 ай бұрын
@@sailorstar3148 same
@nina_aert50516 ай бұрын
That's great and all but why does in EP 6, a joke is made about sir pentious getting gang raped? why is Angel dust's assault treated seriously while another one is relegated as a funny moment
@vinx98846 ай бұрын
THIS!!! I didn't know I was coping with my SA with promiscuity until a really profound moment of self reflection. I don't need it but the trust, respect, and safety from situations like it, where you're in control is comforting. To find moments where you aren't afraid of it anymore is empowering. Watching the scene where angel explains how its not all an act and talks about it being an escape broke me. Cause yeah.. sometimes it is an escape from...well everything and turns into a place where you CAN feel safe. Everyone's experiences are different and it sucks to have your lived experiences become a target for victim blaming when its being discussed.
@dazeslays6 ай бұрын
i think it's good to show that hypersexual SA survivors exist, and i think people saying angeldust is being fetishized or portrayed unrealistically are sometimes interpreting the show in bad-faith. however i feel like his arc wasn't given the time to breathe it needed to really sink in (angel's arc is not the only part of the show i feel this way about). i also have to wonder if there were any people behind the scenes who had personal experience with sexual exploitation or substance abuse, either writing the script or acting as sensitivity readers, because i feel like that's a really important step in portraying topics like this accurately
@drewo.1276 ай бұрын
9:13 This is something I totally do with my toys, my appliances, my own characters via imaginary friends, and even my bike, scooter, gokart/segway, and my family’s cars! (Doesn’t hurt that two of our cars are based on Bumblebee and Herbie respectively!) But I totally relate to people who, in the appropriate setting, are not afraid to embrace their inner child! A reason why I wanna be an animator is because I personally want to keep my imagination and childlike wonder alive for as long as I can, and coexist with it alongside all the adulting!
@samsaisabug6 ай бұрын
I wish stuff like this wasn't so stigmitized to discuss. I remember in college when doing Title IX training for one of my groups a person from a greek life group tried to say that SA never happened at any of their parties...even though I've been told numerous stories about girls being drugged and then taken advantage of at events. I knew a group of girls who went to different parties and had a whole buddy and check in system just to make sure everybody was safe. That shouldn't have to even be a thing in the first place, but nobody ever wants to actually talk about WHY that kept happening...if that man's attitude was anything to go off of. It's very frustrating to discuss when so many people will just put their hands over their ears when the topic is brought up.
@Mortablunt6 ай бұрын
That’s Foids for you - will do anything but actually implement an effective solution and want everyone to make the thing safe or done for them!
@theskittleman82156 ай бұрын
I think my issue with vivziepop is that she makes SA a serious, well written topic with angeldust and then makes sexual harassment a joke in her other show and other episodes
@baphomeat6 ай бұрын
Yes... and she does the same with: Murder Sexism Adultery Drug Use Death Generational Trauma and a whole list of other topics. Comedy is best when it pokes fun at tragedy. If you're so bent out of shape about jokes on a topic then you actually need to get mental help. That's not as an insult but you ACTUALLY have something wrong with you. Repression, Obsession, could be anything. If you always treated these topics as serious and depressing then that darkness wins. Only by making jokes and keeping a light heart about things can you prove you're truely emotionally mature.
@theskittleman82156 ай бұрын
@@baphomeat The issue with this is that you're assuming the jokes are funny at all. Vivziepop does not get to be a hypocrite with the excuse of "oh it's just comedy" when she can't decide what is and isn't funny. Also the excuse of "you're emotionally mature if this is funny to you" is stupid because jokes desensitize people to the actual issues
@nineinchthread6 ай бұрын
@@theskittleman8215when do you think it's okay to make jokes vs not? honestly I'm not attacking you just curious on your opinion. Do you think it should only be use for when a victim is making jokes about there own trouble?
@blackjoker23456 ай бұрын
@@theskittleman8215 Comedy isn't decided on whether or not everyone finds something funny, it literally can't be. There will never be a joke Everyone finds funny. You sound like you're trying to justify your reasoning that "X shouldn't be joked about" with a motte and bailey fallacy. You can say that you personally aren't comfortable with jokes touching on certain subject, that by itself is fine, but trying to say Nobody should do them on some moral basis is just wrong.
@sleepyrythm4046 ай бұрын
This EXACTLY. This is exaclty why i dont like her show. This even happens IN hazbin, shes a hypocrite.
@dragonnightwing90826 ай бұрын
Thank you for mentioning that "joke" about Sir Pentious getting literally DRAGGED into the sex room while he was clawing at the floor and trying to get away. It doesn't matter that he said that he was going to do it with everyone to avoid embarrassment. Consent can be revoked at any time. You should be able to change your mind or stop at any moment and have those wishes to be respected. I just hope that since the club was literally called "consent", that they didn't do anything to him because of his clear upset and discomfort.
@victorconway4446 ай бұрын
I'd say take each scene in it's respective context. It's a show trying to be dark comedy first and foremost. And as dark comedies do, it will make light of dark subjects. But like Moral Orel or South Park, Vivzie is trying to make it a dark comedy with a heart and something to say. So there will be some scenes that draw serious attention to abuse, and then other scenes that will make a joke out of it. These are not real people. Sir Pentious is not affected in anyway by the "$$$ room" because the writers decided he wasn't, it's not consequential to his character arc nor the overarching plot nor anything beyond a running joke and tangentially his desire to form a romance with Cherri Bomb. Angel's experiences as Val's slave are the crux of his character arc, so the show pays much more severe attention to it.
@f3ll30uch0npaws6 ай бұрын
Here at 16 minutes! You addressed this topic perfectly, and I think you approached it with the sensitivity that is required for this.
@Fionapollo6 ай бұрын
Im glad you think so, thank you 💚
@XxDarkxMoth17xX6 ай бұрын
I thought Age regression was the same thing as Age Play, and now I feel like I'm kind of an asshole. So thanks for educating me on the topic.
@theflamingphoenix6 ай бұрын
@KanetheGoofster I don't think it's your fault for not knowing, especially when age regression is hardly talked about at all. It's only really something you look into if you hear about it and find the psychology behind it interesting, or if it's something that affects yourself or someone you know. I also wouldn't call you an asshole for being mislead about what it is, especially because now you learned about and now respect it! There's a lot of people who do know what it is but still choose to associate it with kink and such, so the fact that you're deconstructing that belief after being educated is really good! I just have a lot of feelings about the topic and I wanted to let you know that I really appreciate you actually taking the time to learn about it!
@crystaljiang59766 ай бұрын
yeah ^^^^ no worries at all man, we learn things when we learn them. it's the care and showing up for others that counts.
@NotALotOfColonial_SpaghettiToG2 ай бұрын
yeah, same here. I've been doing it this whole time, and judged others who did it because there wasn't a name to a face, didn't know they were separate 'til she explained it.
@GreayWorks6 ай бұрын
It's nice to see another video essay from you again! I really liked how you brought up from the beginning that different people who experience SA will always react differently and sometimes people will react badly if an experience shown isn't similar to theirs or what they were told was the right way of handling it online. I do think there is something very compelling about Angel Dust's reaction to SA because very rarely do shows tend to show SA victims as having a sexual life or possibly being more vulgar personality-wise, cause a lot of times with SA a lot of the victims be shown to be more wholesome characters in animation. I do genuinely hope the show improves on how it tackled SA and will go more in-depth on the subject.
@mushroomforestt6 ай бұрын
As someone who's been SAed, the scene with Angel did make me uncomfortable, but also helped me connect to and like the character more. It never really seemed like it wasn't taken serious to me. Angel's fear when something happened that might anger Valentino felt so genuine. I think Angel was written very well
@characterblub2.06 ай бұрын
The way he was more concerned with Valentino than the literal fire engulfing the studio 😭
@bean_draws6 ай бұрын
Thanks for talking about this important topic. I experienced something traumatic a little over a year ago and will finally be able to start therapy soon. If it's done well, I think this topic should be portrayed in media more often
@enniewilde86456 ай бұрын
As a victim of SA, my step-father worked at the high school I attended. When it came out that he did what he did, kids at my school started to mock and bully me for telling someone. I was 15 and I didn't know what to do as a child. What was I supposed to do in the situation? I lost friends and trust of so many people and never got it back. It refreshing to be shown my own struggles of not being able to connect with people in many ways in media and I connect with so many characters from things like Moral Orel or Tuca and Bertie because it really is hard to connect with especially men after things have happened to you, especially as a child.
@TKR-ox9ff13 күн бұрын
I hope you are doing ok
@spiderwithatophat81806 ай бұрын
27:31 I have to agree that it’s hard as a man to talk to others when SA happens. I remember talking to my family about when I was lightly SA’d by my previous landlord (a person that they knew decently well) and how it affected me. Their response was compassion for the abuser (he wasn’t the healthiest mentally), and annoyance that I hadn’t let it go.
@phizzywizzy12D36 ай бұрын
as a CSA survivor, seeing you making a video talking about nurse bendy and bertie (both characters that i extremely relate to) is extremely comforting to see from one of my fav content creators!
@TKR-ox9ff13 күн бұрын
I hope you are doing ok
@Shinigami88X16 ай бұрын
27:26 Kinda the reason why women on men SA is considered lower is because of society. Like its hard to comprehind what happen or if you a guys does report it would be treated as a joke, "you're lucky that happen to you" or used as a gothcha moment when women talk about SA. Edit: Case in point at that cases where women teachers slept with their male students only to get off with a slap on the wrist or a case in the UK where a guy was trying to fill SA case against a woman who SAed him only for the courts to sided with the woman.
@hermescarraro33936 ай бұрын
Even worse when the SAter gets pregnant and then the victim can't force her to abort the child he never asked for, and will legaly be forced to give his assaulter money for the rest of his days. Cause the child never asked to be born like this. Yeah, I get it... But at least give the victim something to latch on if he was actually assaulted by the woman... Comeone... Just saying, female victims who end up pregnant can (God... I HOPE they can) get rid of their assaulter's unwanted offspring. But male victims are 100% screwed if it happens. They can't do anything, and will even end up giving money to the woman who did this to them. They might even do that on purpose, it happened before. I know that it's unfair for the fetus... Bht it's unfair for the victims to see the result of their traumas for the rest of their lives, it's unfair towards them too, and I feel like the law does not really think much about this part as well...
@Shinigami88X16 ай бұрын
@@hermescarraro3393 wait that happened
@chaoticcow43576 ай бұрын
@@hermescarraro3393 Yeah, with abortion laws being scarily close on many people nowadays, we might end up getting a really bad situation not just for women's rights, but men's. Unfortunately, all the male (and rarely female) politicians wont see this till its too late. They claim you have to "deal with your trauma" when this isn't dealing with the initial trauma, this is forcing more trauma on to that person. All victims will have to be permanently reminded that this trauma happened and that the perpetrator got what they want. Females will have to deal knowing their body will never be the same and its because they were forced to give birth to a baby that was forced onto them, and males will have to deal knowing their hard earned money is going to the awful person who forced this trauma onto them, and the law only wants the victim to hurt more.
@ma.20896 ай бұрын
A woman teacher groomed her student and they got married and the fact nothing was ever done disgusts me
@rosiv96176 ай бұрын
Anime doesn't help. So many instances of older women creeping on teenage boys and it's framed like it's "hot". There are teenage boys who would say "But I'd want that to happen to me." No you don't. You're a child. You can't consent to an adult.
@Jacqueline_Oat5 ай бұрын
I never really understood why people think people can only relate to real live action. Being autistic, I've always had problems relating to people, but animated chara ters have always been easier to understand because of the way they move and how expressive they can be. I've always had an easier time expressing how I've felt through drawings rather than my face, and I think that's why I've always been drawn to animation. I think it is important for animation to be in every genre, not just a few.
@edge_583426 ай бұрын
As someone who was SA'd for 4 years by a family member at a young age, Angel Dust made my trauma seen, especially with his song poison. At first, I was so confused and scared, but he convinced me that it was okay and I wouldn't get in trouble but he told me not to tell anyone as it was meant to be our secret, to this day I wish I had told my parents everything and not stayed silent about it because it really messed me up. Was once the kid who never shut up, then suddenly became the angry, quiet, and violent girl that everyone avoided out of disgust or fear. It got to the point that during middle school, I became an easy target for bullying, and so I'd physically fight back. During that time of my life is when I finally told my parents about the SA and that DIDN'T make me feel any better and, in fact, made me feel worse to the point of wanting to take my own life. Mom then put me in therapy, and while it did help, the knowing feeling that I had to see him again in trial scared me. But after the trial, he was found not guilty, and therefore, I didn't get justice, and therefore, HE is STILL out there. Knowing he is still out there kills me inside as I feared he might find me and might do something to me. Now, during high school(I'm 18 and graduating this upcoming May), I put up this confident, dirty-joke loving, funny personality when in reality I feel like a lost soul unsure about my life, what I want, and what I need especially after being diagnosed with ADHD and have to be on medication for it.
@TKR-ox9ff13 күн бұрын
🫂
@skrubbed6 ай бұрын
bertie's experience genuinely makes me wanna cry. its painful hearing the disgusting stuff that people do to innocent children. it's also painful hearing the disgusting stuff that people do to others just in general. ive known so many people in my life who have experienced SA, and it pains my heart that this stuff happens many times every single day to many different victims. i send love to anyone who has gone through this.
@Urmumlel70256 ай бұрын
My love for Moral Orel knows no bounds.
@etoileshine10116 ай бұрын
I wouldn't have an issue with Vive if it wasn't for the fact she made a scene where Sir Pentious was being dragged by two people into a sex room while he was literally CLAWING at the ground trying to get away from them and it was played off for laughs. Another time was when Verosika and her gang made out with Moxie (who's married) without his consent. This scene was also played off for laughs. Vivziepop wants to have her cake and devour it.
@notbeanbag87646 ай бұрын
True, all those scenes were pretty creepy to me and I wanted an explanation why those scenes were even in those episodes but then realized they were only for laughs which is... 😐
@etoileshine10116 ай бұрын
@@notbeanbag8764 To make it worst is that the club they were in was called "consent". They did that on purpose and it irritates me so much.
@cyanity10176 ай бұрын
Yeah, and it fucking sickens me of the double standards that fans have with that scene. When it's angel dust I see people feeling sorry for him and wanting to help him, but when it's sir pentious I've seen people say shit like "he was asking for it" or "it's his own fault for yelling it out"
@etoileshine10116 ай бұрын
@@cyanity1017 It's the fact that Cherri ended up sleeping with the guy who basically assaulted her love interest. Everyone at the club including the main group stood there and didn't help but we're supposed to believe they're kind? Yeah right.
@Tjnovakart6 ай бұрын
That’s the thing- I think a lot of the people who liked episode 4 are taking that scene at face value, rather than in context of the whole show. The show up to that point had played Angel Dust’s occupation for laughs, even in the same episode, and then did a complete tonal 180 which made it feel jarring. And then, afterwards they went on like nothing happened. The scene is poorly set up, and that’s what ultimately makes it land flat for many. If Hazbin didn’t have such an over the top cartoony/juvenile comedy style, I think it would’ve been received far better. This is why shows like Bojack Horseman and Tuca and Bertie are far better equipped to cover serious topics: because they keep a consistent tonal balance and their humor isn’t so bombastic and in your face.
@CrabyMan6 ай бұрын
First off, great video, Apollo. I think you were very respectful of the topic and it was interesting to hear different examples of SA in media being portrayed with the seriousness it deserves. Hoo boy do I got a lot to say though on the topic of SA in shows mainly in terms of opinion. I think for the most part its good shows depict SA as a horrible thing or it causes some form of discomfort even making you distrurbed. This is how SA should be depicted, it should make people understand the victims hurt while also displaying the awfulness of the issue. Secondly in terms of if SA should be shown more, thats a difficult question. Obviously it depends on the wtiters and their message. I don't think every seires needs it,but I do think its good to have as a form of showing understanding in our culture or media. Make people undersatnd better the ways a victim can be hurt. Hopefully to better help them.
@CrabyMan6 ай бұрын
Alright continuing on from there, because this is a more specific opinion. On the Angel dust situation I think they actually depicted this really well. It's a very specific type of situation that most will go "Well duh I know what that is" but I feel like we don't talk about to much. The difference in types of sex work and the dangers in the difference along with the different forms of SA that accompany them. As far as I remember Vizi speaks up for sex work, supports it and wants ppl to have that freedom, there's plenty of men and women I've seen that genuinely enjoy it. But we can't forget there's a MASSIVE difference between someone managing or paying someone to manage their OWN onlyfans etcetera and someone who was contracted or even sought out to DO sex work. Remember VAL is a PIMP the situation and representation is going to be very different, that's a whole other type of world. And ai think they depicted it pretty well. Angel Dust clearly enjoys sexual activities or being slutty to some degree, we see that in loser baby, however the autonomy of that has been taken from him by Val, turned into the dangerous sides of some sex industries or even for say Instagram models who have fallen victim to pimps driving them out to another country for a "show". Treating them similar usally with physical intimidation to violence like Val to Angel Dust. It's one of the reasons I don't think his SA is romanticized, because Pimps often are known to revert to violence when they feel control of a victim might be threatened. It's a scary horrible thing, that deserves to be depicted as disturbing, violent, and evil as it is. Plus they never really show Val in good light, he's shot tempered like a child, constantly being bithced by Vox, easily paranoid, and lacks self control, they make you hate him and see he's got no good qualities. This is good its not making light of the abuse while making you hate the abuser and giving a complex relationship of the victim. He's a sex worker, it's not all Angel is, but it's a part of him, there's danger to specific sex work and things to look out for. The SA some can face there is serious and can be extreme, none of that is the fault of the Victim either, even if they enjoy Sex work. But coming to terms with that and where you stand is part of recovery, being aware reality to work on fixing it, that's the loser baby part, the dangers was poison obviously. But those are ma thoughts, judge them as you please P.S I wrote to much and started going a lil scramble brain.
@Joeeyyyyy6 ай бұрын
It’s also good to tune in on survivors voices and how they feel about the show or movie it’s in. And to bring people in on the project who have gone through such (if they are comfortable).
@crystalalumina6 ай бұрын
I liked the way you referred towards these topics here, is not the usual way I see people doing it, they either try to avoid as much as possible or say way too much, but you managed to approach it in a more understanding manner, it kinda puts me at ease
@hannahmetzger48806 ай бұрын
I just wish I could give every single person who's ever been SA'd a hug. :'3.
@unplugcompany67526 ай бұрын
And free hot chocolate
@moldycheese66356 ай бұрын
And some cookies
@skrubbed6 ай бұрын
they deserve so much better
@dontmindme76536 ай бұрын
And a nice warm blanket
@volcanorabbit6 ай бұрын
And respect
@christinalittleton37716 ай бұрын
As someone who's been on that road before (when my "garden" was "budding"), I admit that I do feel uncomfortable with what happened to Angel. You know what else happened to him? He overdosed. I'm sure that there are people who've overdosed, came back via Narcan, and either chose to never do that again or they end up back on the horse. We've seen that happening on TV, yet there was no uproar. Angel also died as Anthony. People always die in real life and/or on TV (onscreen or offscreen). No uproars. Yet when the concept of SA (even in shows as a PSA via "a very special episode") is brought up, we would treat it like one of the worst/most controversial parts of American history; "we know it happened, but let's never speak of it". We're practically denying it. It's serious whenever it's mentioned as SAAM in April (even though the SAers would ignore it due to their craving power). Yet, when it's brought up on TV, movies, and/or video games (maybe in music, too?), the whole thing is banned. In that case, why not ban our local news or documentaries?
@thefourpeas73456 ай бұрын
I love your disclaimer in the beginning, I’m so sick and tired of people disregarding these character’s trauma just because they’re fictional. No experience is ever the same
@Mewman1156 ай бұрын
I love to see people talking about unpopular topics/opinions. It always fills me with joy to know that someone saw an issue they were passionate enough about to share their ideas on the topic.
@dandyrion57796 ай бұрын
New sprites are so cute and super well made ^.^
@Fionapollo6 ай бұрын
Thank you 💚
@glamrockchica9096 ай бұрын
@@Fionapollothey really are, good job
@drewo.1276 ай бұрын
Ditto on that!❤️
@PGbutalsofourteenplus6 ай бұрын
@@FionapolloI like the artstyles a lot of artists have lately. I love HazbinHotel so it’s sad a lot people don’t like the show or HELLVABOSS
@gh02tdu2t6 ай бұрын
i think my biggest problem with how they portray angel's situation is because of the lead storyboarder, who literally does fetishize angels abuse and constantly draws dark and violent nsfw of valentino abusing him, it is something that dude gets his rocks off to and he's admitted that he isnt a survivor himself. it makes the scene even more uncomfortable because you know he was probably like "yeah this is so hot" while storyboarding it and didnt care how it might come off
@hope5396 ай бұрын
Yeah, and also Viv herself liked some of this person's art; she also drew some r*pe art before and honestly, the whole situation looks messy af...
@rainbowgachafox60936 ай бұрын
Angel dust’s and Berties story shows something a lot of people (including myself) have gone through and are going through being hyper sexual feels shameful thinking about sex constantly or being horny all the time and seeing yourself as a sexual object and loathing in it and feeling bad for feeling like that and people who have gone through SA telling others how to cope and how to feel and you feel shunned by the only group that’s supposed to support you
@spongewaffle6 ай бұрын
Moral orel is a fucking masterpiece thank you for covering it
@Ultravenom16 ай бұрын
Empathy for the assaulted is common in media, though portayals of the act are rare. The opposite, focusing on the assaulter, is rare. Only one I can think of is... The Purple Man is the perfect portrayal of a sexual assaulter who has no idea why it is wrong. A being of true evil whose evil was shown to the audience. Yet, some people still liked him as a character.
@decimalheckery57376 ай бұрын
i cant tell if you're talking about the fnaf purple man or somebody else
@sociallyineptsnapper6 ай бұрын
What purple man are you talking about here because the one from Fnaf was Defnitely not that
@Famously55186 ай бұрын
are you talking about some other purple guy and not the fnaf one/William afton? cause his whole deal was with about kidnappings and child murder not SA? Genuinely asking are you referring to a different character
@mirkohoble6 ай бұрын
If we are talking about Fnaf, then no, he is more of a psychopath with the goal to gain immortality, still a horrible person, of course, but not an sexual abuser (the creator said he doesn't want to put children, real or fictional, in that kind of narrative). But I can think on some abusers in animation. Judge Frollo can be considered a sexual molester, and he is shown to be a literal piece of shi t no one likes. Then we have Pastry Pete, again a piece of shi t no one likes. But then we can count Bojack Horseman, most people emphasize with him to some degree, but condemn his actions fully, and some just admire him. So yeah, you got a point.
@zemlink17016 ай бұрын
They’re talking about the marvel supervillain guys
@Sleepy-Ch1p6 ай бұрын
That episode of Moral Orel will never fail to make me cry, they handled it so well and covered so many topics that never ever get covered in media, it's incredible and I'll always be mad at adult swim for cancelling the show.
@SnowFox-gv2rn6 ай бұрын
SA is definitely a hard topic to discuss and it can make people uncomfortable, but I think you handled it very well and respectfully. I think it’s an important subject to talk about in a safe and controlled environment. Just simply pretending SA doesn’t happen invalidates victims, makes it easier for the assaulters to get away with it, and doesn’t teach potential victims how to stay safe. Of course it’s a heavy subject and that’s why there’s trigger warnings for it, but in a safe environment it is definitely worth talking about (Also, love the new overlays, and the animation you made was so smooth!)
@PROBSLOZER6 ай бұрын
What hit me very hard, as a SA survivor, is seeing someone on twitter claim that angel dust’s experience didn’t resonate with any survivor. When people went to check their previous tweets, they claimed that as a SA survivor they didn’t want to be seen as a “whore who fucked some random guy”. It’s sad to see that there’s a horrible view on hyper sexual people, and that because they act a way, that’s how they got hurt or it’s who they will be forever. Survivors don’t stick to each other anymore because lately there’s been built this weird thing that coping mechanisms make you the person you are. But it’s not; it’s just how you were taught to live. Yet people make assumptions and hate you. It’s awful
@gravityfails46284 ай бұрын
I think the thing that pissed me off was the amount of times I saw a tweet (often from a younger person) claiming that Angel Dust’s abuse is romanticized while at the same time showing clips and images of the abuse without actually putting a trigger warning on their posts. Which could be traumatic for someone who’s gone through that kind of abuse! Hell before the episode had even aired people were posting leaks of the POISON sequence. The show is 16+ and this episode was rated 18+ but I’ve seen users 14 years old or possibly younger post these clips-without warning to get people to see what a horrible depiction of SA this was. All the while complaining that they didn’t have a trigger warning when it first dropped.
@glamrockchica9096 ай бұрын
Thank you for covering such a important issue in animation, I’ve noticed it’s just these shows , there are a couple of SA cases in the show what’s new Scooby Doo? And the specials using the art style , one of the them is the balcony scene in the episode/ film? Where Daphne is having a hard time getting to sleep because she is concerned that the song she wrote for Fred that she wanted to perform on a live talent show wouldn’t be enough to get her confession across and It’s just swept under the rug for the majority of the episode until some time until the end, there is a another one where I’m sure some thing that Velma suffered with her was just swept under the rug , I’m certain it’s her feelings towards someone else , it’s not just Scooby Doo, an Anime I love Called the irregular at magic high school had some interesting episodes involving the main protagonist’s sister dancing with a guy older than her, and my alarm bells were ringing really loudly during these episodes and I’m not sure if the show had its second season aired at some point
@Asta_Rose6 ай бұрын
I do not remember that in Scooby Doo, do you remember which episodes or where you heard about it?
@sage7746 ай бұрын
@@Asta_RoseI’m pretty sure it’s in the scooby doo franchise but not I What’s New Scooby Doo
@hope5396 ай бұрын
@@Asta_Rose I think that it's Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc. A wonderful show, but I don't remember the episode with Daphne. But I remember that she worked as a singer for music band there. Anyway, I highly recommend this show to you even if you're not acquainted with Scooby-Doo franchise.
@adrianbarocio68883 ай бұрын
I didn’t see any clips of ep 4 (Angel dust ep ) before seeing the actual episode so I went in pretty blind , I didn’t expect the episode to be so real and exposing , it triggered my ptsd and had a flashback episode (if you know you know ) I couldn’t continue to watch the rest of the episode or the season .
@lovelysakurapetalsyt6 ай бұрын
I honestly looked at the Hazbin episode scenes and *knew* that it was written by an actual survivor of SA. It's just that specific way of showing it that just *feels* like the person knows how it feels, and wants to show others how it does feel. Anyone saying otherwise wants to ignore thay SA is severely traumatizing and can cause people to hurt themselves to escape the pain, like how Angel Dust self medicates. And even the hypersexuality that Angel Dust shows is a coping mechanism too. I was verbally sexually abused by my "father" and even I was so scarred by it that I turned to hypersexuality to feel even a little less dirty. Even that minor form of sexual abuse was horrible, and sexual assault is even worse. Some victims even stop showering or brushing their hair, in an attempt usually to look gross and unappealing to their abuser
@creatink42746 ай бұрын
i’m pretty sure raphielle wrote the episode who has admitted to not being a survivor of SA and also has a f*tish for r*pe
@Whatchamarkallit6 ай бұрын
It's a really complex subject to go over, but I think you handled it well here. There's a lot of discourse surrounding the AD topic of this especially considering the allegations against the main storyboarder of the SA scenes, but I also think that alone doesn't mean the depiction or content should be entirely dismissed as not worth taking seriously or trying to look at with any level of depth. Great video as usual, looking forward to your next one ^A^
@thepersonwiththepanels53516 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for speaking so educatedly and acceptingly of age regression. I know a lot of my friends partake in it to reclaim their childhoods, which were riddled with trauma and tragedy. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, coping mechanism or otherwise, and it’s infuriating how quick people are to judge that which they don’t understand. You did fantastic throughout this whole video!
@Stavv_6 ай бұрын
First off, pretty good your new persona design, background and your gif animation! Second, despite topics like SA been cruel and uncomfortable to see or read, is very necessary to talk about it in your show! People in the adult animation need to learn more that adult content is not just ultra violence, offensive jokes, sex and poop! Adult content can also be used to talk about serious topics and take them seriously. We are smarter than this and is good that we still have cartoons that actually take themselves seriously and try to have messages to say to the audience!
@lukabellerose33855 ай бұрын
As someone who age regresses, hearing you explain and support regression almost made me cry, thank you
@aurora96886 ай бұрын
iam a boy, i have been taken advantage of by 8 women when i was 12, and a man when i was 7. its not just no one believes me, i dont believe myself. i feel as if my experience wasnt grand enough to count as trauma or whatever, i never got r@ped, never had a court case, and never told anyone, not even my family, only some friends know about it, altough i feel as if they dont believe me either, or as if they dont care.
@TKR-ox9ff13 күн бұрын
I hope you are doing ok
@milky_nyan6 ай бұрын
tuca and bertie is a underrated show, i really appreciate the representation ❤
@spookypaladin46676 ай бұрын
When I got to Angel's scenes in Ep 4...man, it hit me hard. Not only could I relate, but it also felt so brutally accurate. Perfectly portrayed. It hurt to watch, but I'm so fucking glad they decided to do this, because it was told incredibly.
@edwwi6 ай бұрын
Exactly. I feel like people felt so uncomfortable that they took it the wrong way, but that scene was SUPPOSED to feel awful, and I dare to say even show people who aren't victims of SA how terrible it can be, not just the act itself, but dealing with it after.
@Hack_Man_VII6 ай бұрын
I had to deal with harassment from a girl back in middle school. I was eventually able to find the nerve to tell people what was happening, but it took a while. She did this on the bus, and the driver never knew about it. The sad truth is I couldn't bring myself to speak up until after she pushed me too far. The only good thing I can say is she didn't get the chance to go all the way. As far as I know, she got expelled afterwards. I never saw her again, despite living in the same small town. I hope she has changed since then.
@aizichi6 ай бұрын
I’m so sorry that happened to you
@Hack_Man_VII6 ай бұрын
@@aizichi thank you! It was years ago when this happened, so thankfully I have done much better since then. I actually have someone special in my life, so that makes it a lot easier to not think about what happened back then
@JoelTheParrot6 ай бұрын
Something I find wild about Hazbin Hotel and its sister show is that while one of Hazbin Hotel's main characters' main conflict is this topic... They also make light of it once in each show, treating it like a joke? 24:58 EXACTLY this! what a polished animation you made!
@drewo.1276 ай бұрын
As difficult as this topic was and still is, I can’t say I’m not thankful for you covering this. I’m so fortunate to say I don’t relate to these unsettling experiences, but that in no way means I don’t understand the general feeling of shame for any reason. And regardless of how I may feel, anyone who has ever been in any situation even slightly similar to these things deserves to at least be heard and respected! And overall, I feel there needs to be a certain amount of respect for these topics in media, but all the issues you mentioned at the end are very valid questions and concerns! The last thing I want is to have these specific topics in something like, Blue’s Clues. But at the same time, I know trying to censor everything for kids is not really a good catch all solution either! I feel that maybe having the general subject of being forced to do something wrong, lie about it, and be scared into not speaking up could be explored in a way that both touches on serious topics like this, and still remain relatively G rated. Like say, in Sesame Street, Zoe could ask Elmo to grab her a cookie from a plate even after Zoe was told no. Elmo wasn’t aware of this until after Zoe is eating the cookie, and with both of them scared, they lie that…Slimey the worm stole it, and Zoe makes Elmo promise never to tell the truth! Obviously this is a less intense scenario all things considered, but if the team can play up the seriousness, kinda like what they did with the fire fighter episode which was in response to that scary day in September 2001, I feel it could work! That being said, for shows that are for older kids and especially teens and young adults, it might need to get a bit more serious, and depending on the demographic, it might need to be more explicit to get the message across, but in those scenarios, we start entering the zone where it’s very scary and uncomfortable and discussion needs to be very careful! I don’t have a perfect answer, but if my Sesame Street example is anything to go by, if done well, I think something could work…?
@teffley27666 ай бұрын
I haven't finished the video but I think that moral orel is mentioned, so I'll bring up another adult swim show. Tuca and bertie deals with SA in a fantastic way. It doesn't romanticize it and it doesn't allow the viewer to decide whether the character's trauma is valid by just focusing on her trauma and not on the incident itself. It's shown how some of the character's friends react when she was younger, and how her current friends support her. It even shows how her sexuality has been altered due to the assault. I definitely recommend this show.
@riarivera59956 ай бұрын
Sometimes i think about this phrase when thinking about art "Art is ment to comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable" seeing as alot of those who are angry about the SA depicted arent even those who have been directly affected. They're shown a side of an issue that makes them feel vulnerable. Its so sad that we hsve such an immature society that people dont seek to understand the people who have gone through this but instead ask them to hide even deeper or to be a straw man of what a "actual victim" is.
@darkwolfstudioes6 ай бұрын
I love when SA is portrayed WELL in animation or just tv in general morel orel and hazbin do this really well hazbin with angle and val this is well sadly because viv was with someone like val irl and her truama was put out in val and angles dynamic val is an amazingly well written character along with angle and the battery scene is absoultly horrifying and morel orel shows the absolute horror of SA and r@pe with both nurse bendy and the teacher (i cant remember her name) it really shows how the writers of these shows really care about the survivers of SA ane r@pe and may have even interviewed and talked with SA survivors not many shows talk about it in a seriouse light and that is absolutely fucking sicking that it STILL HAPPENS TODAY
@sailorstar31486 ай бұрын
Man knowing that it makes the people complaining about the episode, masquerade, and the song poison made them look like a holes no matter how much people try to twist the narrative
@ezekieljakobs11454 ай бұрын
maiden/mother/crone was very intentional the moral orel crew did NOT FUCK AROUND with their symbolism they have EVERY detail on point 👌👌👌👌
@starphobia085 ай бұрын
I think the detailed showing of Angel’s SA was very accurate, I had to explain how I was assaulted at 5 years old, in full detail in order to get the full story to authority figures, but I think the issue that everyone has with Angel’s depiction, is that it was written and animated by someone who has a non-con fetish 💀
@starphobia085 ай бұрын
I apologize if this doesn’t make sense, I’m not that great at English
@TheBigJayAgenda2 ай бұрын
I’m so sorry. Pls tell me the pedophile got arrested or charged.
@starace40316 ай бұрын
When I saw conversations online discussing the leaks of Angel Dust and the portrayal of his situation, I tried to stay out of it because I didn't want to spoil the series for myself. After watching the show, I almost forgot there was ever a drama about it because to me, the situation was handled well and accurately, whilst not seeming to take up too much time or made in a way that seemed like any kind of fetish. I don't know what people saw when they were intitially discussing it but I couldn't recognise any problems in the depiction whilst watching the show. I really appreciated how Angel's character and relationships, good and bad were portayed and it all stayed truthful to an experience that I haven't fully experienced but could relate to in part. It's really valuable seeing this being portrayed so that it can help bring more awareness and help people feel less alone.
@marg0gh6 ай бұрын
Everyone online was overreacting badly, in my opinion just blowing something out of proportion to try to tear the show down. Once I watched it too I had no idea why everyone was throwing a fit about it, since it was done so well and made me feel sympathy for the character.
@starace40316 ай бұрын
@@marg0gh yeah completely agree. It's like...are people so quick to hate on Vivzie's shows that they abandon any media literacy skills/understanding. They handled the storyline so well imo. Shame that the vocal minority made it into such an issue.
@VincentTFarmer6 ай бұрын
It looked so Fetishy I’m sorry, they put angel getting SAd over the beat of a pop song. Knowing Viv’s own… “interests” I’m not even surprised
@starace40316 ай бұрын
@@VincentTFarmer Firstly, no-one knows anyone's true interests much less those only known over the internet. It sounds so parasocial to claim that anyone outside of Viv's friends/family know what she's interested in. Secondly, I don't think depicting important real world problems that people face like SA in an adult show makes it look like a fetish. There are age ratings for a reason, and many adults unfortunately experience these things and groups of people feel represented by Angel and his situation. I didn't see the leaks if that's what you're referring to (i.e. someone put a random song over the footage) or if it's the episode itself (Poison section). If it's the latter - Hazbin is a musical, of course there will be music for important sections of the show like a musical would. Poison is in the same type of music genre that matches Angel. Like how Addict is a pop/club song that matches his vibe. Angel is a star in the field and is featured when performing live, adult films, and music videos so this style of music also makes sense for that too. Plus the song dives into AD's character - the 'Angel' side that he uses to mask his self with and the 'Anthony' side which is more honest and true to his feelings and thoughts. It's all handled very well for the show, the character and was positive representation for people to feel seen by, whilst also leaving room for moments like later in the season where AD stands up to Val. With much more potential for things to develop in season 2. Angel's songs could form into a triology of sorts - Addict, Poison, & a season 2 song that could show how things developed with his situation and character.
@VincentTFarmer6 ай бұрын
@@starace4031 The lead storyboard artist openly admitted to being into rape. There. That’s literally all you need, an open confession that while making the series, the guy working on it is a freak. And about “not knowing her true interests” SHE HAS A PLAYLIST. ON HER SECOND CHANNEL. OF RAPE SCENES. ON HER FAVOURITES. DUDE. LIKE SERIOUSLY WHAT MORE EVIDENCE?!?!
@Gummpers6 ай бұрын
im a male grooming victim, a lot of the stuff mentioned about angel dusts situation had deep cuts, but im ultimately starting to understand and realize my situation better, im glad that content like this exists, helping explain very hard to explain situations and giving deeper insight into victims thoughts and subconscious, the things they do without realizing they're coping mechanisms and such
@TKR-ox9ff13 күн бұрын
I hope you are doing ok
@Gummpers13 күн бұрын
@@TKR-ox9ff i am thank you, i hope you're doing well too
@the_worlds_dumbest_bi6 ай бұрын
TW: Mentions of personal experince with csa and shitty parents. Honestly, I wouldn't mind this topic being discussed more because it helps other people understand and it helps people like me feel less alone in that experience. I recently told my parents that I was assaulted by one of my dad's employees when I was 11 or 12 and it hurts to hear them defend someone who used me when I didn't really even know what was going on. To have your parents know about what happened and yet still blame you so they don't rock the boat, hurts. To see this, as a victim of CSA, it strangely gives me a sense of comfort; that I'm not alone in all these bad feelings and that it wasn't my fault. Maybe if my parents saw this more in the media they wouldn't blame me, I don't know, maybe it's just wishful thinking but animation is the key to giving people a look into someone else's world, and if they could see how it feels from the victims perspective maybe they would be better.
@weaverinred68883 ай бұрын
I would like to relate or empathize with Angel, and heck I felt something during watching. But after drama it's way harder, since Vivzie allowed rape fetish artist (who's not victim of SA themselves. They lied about it) to draw. Storyboard for Poison clip, F for animators and other people who putted effort, but that's why I like Addicted more. Plus there was no trigger warnings, and no saying that show is 18+ is not warning, SA victims got triggered by it. There's good things in the show, that I like but it's hard to be in fandom, due toxicity and creators' dramas. And then you can easily get triggered if not freaked out at least, by people who like Valentino for more than just being villain or having cool design... (who also ship him with Angel, excuse him etc. And in general ppl like such things in content). Also ppl excuse Angel's harassment towards Husk, and they get actively shipped, despite it making no sense. And Husk calling Angel loser for being raped... (And I don't think just slavery and sex slavery is same thing, Alastor is being monster sure, but not on the same level like Valentino. Who tbh causes most worst thing that is forced sex). Sir Pentious got raped basically, and it was played as joke. And then Stolas gets excused for being racist, sexual harasser and abuser towards Blitz, with unhealthy power dynamic. Yeah no. I truly tried to enjoy and find good. But I only found triggers.
@weaverinred68883 ай бұрын
But I'll say one thing, it's fine if SA victims like these shows and characters, or\and people have their own interpretations. Like harassment, doxxing etc. is never an answer. And outside of twitter drama and stuff\creators' dramas, episode 4 is fine ig (athough still depends on a person who watches it And there's flaws in pacing etc.). And if you like villains for being villains, without liking or approving bad things they do, is totally fine. Just I've seen plenty of fans who like only rape part in Valentino
@okanimation685 ай бұрын
As a victim of SA myself (from both men and women) Thank you so much for this video. I feel like most people who where angry about Angel were either not victims for most of them or worst CHILDREN that shouldn't watch the show in the first place. . ... Ofc I've seen actual victims feeling uncomfy but still, none were hateful like the kids who shouldn't even watch this-
@TKR-ox9ff13 күн бұрын
I hope you are doing ok
@bitterflywing6 ай бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't mention Lore Olympus (because that was the main reason why everyone is divided on that webtoon) lots of people found it in poor taste. I was on the fence about it since it gave solid advice on what to do if it happens.
@fuzzymelon12616 ай бұрын
pentious i am 99% sure got away from the sex room. his clothes were in-tact and he approached the table from the opposite direction from the sex room in his next scene. the club is also called "consent" soooo.... he was probably able to change his mind
@VNightmoon6 ай бұрын
Yeah. I didn't like the joke (I do like the suggestion someone made here of having Angel stepping in and going, "you don't need to do that", because it would both fix the joke and help the episode in a narrative sense), but also, there was no way Pentious had time to have sex with *everyone* in the club AND had his clothes intact, which was basically the one saving grace in that nothing happened.
@Rainbow_sprinkle_fiend6 ай бұрын
I don’t know if this counts or not but when I was in middle school I was feeling comfortable in presenting myself in a more feminine manner ( I use he/they pronouns) because I bought this cute new outfit it was white shorts with a striped white and pale blue top with buttons all the way down the front, I remember that day like it happened yesterday I was sitting in the bleachers watching a dodgeball game with my friend and we were drinking coke and eating rainbow sour candy ( one of my fave snack combos) so halfway into the game I hear someone walk down the bleachers and then feel a pressure on my butt I turn around to see a boy running back to his friends high-fiving then I turn around dismissing it maybe he pulled a prank but then a feel a harder pressure like a squeeze on my butt it was the same boy so I go to the principal and tell him I tell him the boy who did it was in this teacher’s home room in this pod and he was blonde white with brownish eyes wearing a patriots jersey and you know what they said “I’m sorry I don’t think this enough evidence to do anything sweetie” that shattered me I know rarely trust authority figures with any major situations, I also now wear baggy clothing
@akiangellol6 ай бұрын
As a victim of SA who finds comfort in reading and watching things about characters who suffered similarly of me Its tough to try and find a fanfic that doesn't fetishize SA Or a show that doesnt us SA as a joke
@TKR-ox9ff13 күн бұрын
I hope you are doing ok
@EndercakeTheMessengerАй бұрын
I feel like listening to video’s that are about mental health has flipped my stomach but actually helped me by making me not feel required to handle my trauma head on, it’s not the same kind of trauma as mentioned in this video but it has still helped me with how other people process trauma and how they handle it and more about trauma, i feel like this has also helped open a new path in my life where i may try and study psychology and how to help people with their trauma, i just want to say thank you for making this video
@xenvid6 ай бұрын
To anyone bringing up the Moxxie & Sir Pentious scenes- The Moxxie scene was not played for laughs. Blitzø was so angry that Verosika and her friends assaulted his employee that he charged in there and confronted her, despite their history and his own problems with facing his past. Sir Pentious? Yeah, he was dragged away and if it had been left at that it wouldn't be funny but he came out unscathed if not a bit out of breath, with his clothes on. The club was literally called "Consent" and I honestly interpreted it as either the two who dragged him in were joking (he'd been doing the "because I'm ____ for everyone here!" and they decided to go along with what they thought was a joke) or that he clarified what he meant.
@Stargazer_Ley6 ай бұрын
The "joke" is a rule of 3. The joke is "becasue I'm blank with everyone." An exaggeration of a trying to cover up being anxious and doing something senseless to avoid embarassment. With Pentious, yeah we could have done without the "Consequences" but like many have said given the name of the club and the previous portrail the joke might actually be that nothing happened. With Moxxie, if I recall, we get Blitzø visibly distressed. It's more a subversion of the joke in that we expect him to react different and he is both horrified and attempting to give Moxxie advice. I almost feel like most people expect those situations to be jokes and so they don't react with horror instead. (Note that in both instances it's a man and such jokes are often seen as "appropriate" esp in adult media. So when situations like that happen people jump on them being "jokes". IDK maybe I'm way off base. I haven't seen either scene recently enough to know exactly how they read. I didn't really read Pentious as a joke though.
@DwarfDaddy6 ай бұрын
Finally people with comprehension skills, a rarity these days
@Meeshilin_Man5 ай бұрын
The Sir Pentious one was funny asf, nobody will take that away from me and I'm pretty sure nothing happened in there. I mean come on, the club is literally called "Consent", what are people so mad about?
@CaroGo6 ай бұрын
The idea that kids should not be taught about SA and sexual predators is so infuriating to me. I learned about it when I was like 6, taught by an age-appropriate sex ed book that also had a chapter on predators especially pedophiles. That literally fucking saved me two years later. Because I had the context and knowledge to understand a situation I was in and thus had the frame of mind to get the fuck out of there.
@Tyrannee6 ай бұрын
I have yet to watch the new series of Hazbin Hotel, and although I wouldn't say it's my thing as it seems to have a lot of highs and lows, I have been interested to see it because of its discussions of SA and the controversy that's surfaced regarding it. Mainly because I want to see for myself how it's specifically executed. I enjoyed your video and appreciate you handling the topic more mature than most I've seen who've discussed similar themes, and like you also said, I am grateful that it sheds light on how SA effects male victims as it still disappoints me that a lot of people will easily dismiss them because they aren't the majority of cases. In secondary school, I was unfortunate to not only have an uncomfortable encounter with someone who ended up attacking me in class, but also be falsely accused as a suspect of SA by someone else who I didn't even know. Both were separate instances within the same year. Thankfully, it's all in the past and I am living healthy, but after experiencing both sides, I've realized how much of an uphill battle it is to come forward against someone who's wronged you or prove your innocence against false accusations, because before you even get to speak, people have already made up their mind on whether you're guilty, and even if you have evidence that proves your innocence, they're reluctant to change their minds. If I had not reached out to the head teacher about it, I would've not had any closure, and I would've likely been expelled for something I didn't do. However, I'm glad this wasn't the case, and I was proven innocent after the girl who accused me admitted she was doing it to maliciously get rid of me, but I will criticize the school for not giving her any punishment despite the severity of what she did. Ever since, I've never really been that comfortable with discussions and portrayals of assault/inappropriate behaviour, especially in animated media where it tends to be done only for laughs and any serious talk of it is downplayed or treated in a manner that's in poor taste. The 'stalker girl' trope like the kanker sisters from Ed Edd and eddy come to mind. Apologies for long comment, I respect how well you handled the discussion and wanted to share my experience on the topic.
@samwallaceart2886 ай бұрын
Love that you brought up Tuca and Bertie. Bertie deserves the world.
@ironwolf58026 ай бұрын
It's definitely a hard topic, but most if not all hard topics need to be talked about if we like it or not. There's the possibility you never get in any situation even remotely uncomfortable or SA, but also the possibility to never get mugged or hear gun firing near by. If we don't educate people dangerous situation and what we can do, then it'll just keep happening without consequences and hurt more people. It stinks we have to talk about this kind of thing but we're not in a clean world where nothing bad happens.
@firefairy7176 ай бұрын
Angel in particular I agree, it does not feel fetishized. I've been through some things (abusive relationships) that made the visuals just a lil too visceral at the worst parts to me, but: 1. I'm sensitive to that kinda thing and I know that 2. SA survivors are coming forward about how they feel seen (the most important part) 3. I would have been fine if it had cut away like half a second sooner on each scene The later scene does feel very tone deaf after such care went into Poison... Thank you for this beautifully put together informative video! I haven't seen most of the other shows you talked about, so a lot of this was new to me.
@flowerbunnyzz6 ай бұрын
You handled this topic so gracefully and with such respect I’m genuinely so impressed!
@inconveniencestore_6 ай бұрын
I use age regression myself. Sometimes purposefully but often not. As upsetting as the episode was and is it felt somewhat comforting to know it wasnt just me that responded to trauma in that way.
@danielnidhiry57966 ай бұрын
Did u read moral orel's cancelled episode 'Raped' script? It sheds more light on miss scupltum's truama and mindset . I recommend u read it
@potatofairy85356 ай бұрын
I haven't dealt with SA, but I have dealt with physical abuse and mental manipulation and with just that alone I can empathized with Angel Dust. Val having Angel be the one that sends Charlie away, has him be the one that yells at Charlie while he stands back satisified is very frightening because of how accurate it is. Abusers will try to force you to burn bridges so people are less likely to help you or feel bad for you. They will gaslight you to think the abuse you're recieving is your fault and will make you walk on egg shells to avoid whatever they've manipulated you into believing you did wrong in order to keep the abuse from happening again. When you're being SA'ed, especially by someone prominate in your life, there's so much more abuse behind it. Emotional, psychological, pyshical, etc. And it's important to show these in media because there's a good chance people will recognize the signs and it will help destigmatize it.
@TKR-ox9ff13 күн бұрын
I hope you are doing ok
@amazingspiderlad6 ай бұрын
What annoys me about the Hazbin hotel one is that people were mad over it before the goddamn episode even came out. They hadn't fucking seen it.
@Randomyoutuber-48316 ай бұрын
And so many people walked back on their original complaints when they got the full context. Social media has made people way too reactionary.
@paradoxtatorstudios96816 ай бұрын
it is pretty upsetting how people jump to conclusions without thinking whatsoever, especially nowadays-
@No1shigeokageyamafan5 ай бұрын
This show us not that good for u to get angry over it The writing is nothing special or new, and the jokes are unfunny as hell find something else this show isn't even that good for u to waste ur time
@Randomyoutuber-48315 ай бұрын
@@No1shigeokageyamafan oh look! It’s the end all be all critic who wholly determines what’s good and what isn’t! Forget all the people who genuinely like the show, feel passionate about it, and find a genuine sense of comfort in it’s characters! This random individual says it’s bad so that automatically makes it bad because their opinion is apparently the only one that matters! /s Man GTFO with that sh*t.
@No1shigeokageyamafan5 ай бұрын
@Randomyoutuber-4831 whatever man, idc if u like it its but the people running crucles for this need to realise its not that good to be stressing out about it I can feel ur anger in ur typing u need to chill tf out...
@Leminie99074 ай бұрын
I have age regression very often, atleast once or twice a day. And even though thankfully it isnt because of anything nurse bendy went through, knowing it has a name and its normal, i guess, feels nice, so thanks c:
@pissapocalypse6 ай бұрын
This video has informed me that i actually partake in age regression a lot. I never really thought about it before.
@GuardianSpirits136 ай бұрын
This is a great breakdown of the topic at hand! I know the focus is western animation, but one of the most honest depictions of an SA survivor I have seen was in the anime Banana Fish. The main character goes through a lot, but it is all addressed with the weight it deserves.
@ssai36336 ай бұрын
Off topic but your mic is so nice and clean, it makes commentary like these bearable to listen to like some videos will be too loud or too quiet and i'd get bored of the content easily. the sound quality is the first thing i noticed about your video!
@Hjorth876 ай бұрын
As always. Great food for thought. I only casually dip my toes in these creator subjects, but your takes are always worth listening to. Helps to try to stay aware of issues.
@takodacorliss58386 ай бұрын
Never been assaulted (thank god) but my empathy is there and this is an act that NEEDS to be shown more, and correctly! Moral Orel was great! But since Mysoginy is rewarded by Capitalism, they won’t show it. To think JOJO of all things has the single best depiction of SA in any media.
@rebekahscheu42456 ай бұрын
That whole scene with Sir Pentious feels even worse because it's clearly shown that he doesn't understand social cues very well, so the fact that there are people saying that he deserved it is rather sickening. Also, I don't care if the show literally takes place in Hell it's gross that such a topic is taken seriously with one character but played for laughs with another.
@nauscakes18685 ай бұрын
Oh, another big thing I want to touch on. When I was watching Helluva Boss with a 9 year old. I realized that it's really easy to explain war and violence to a kid. Because kids already know play fighting. Kids understand anger. Kids understand what fighting is, and war is just a natural progression of fighting. So war is actually a lot easier to explain to a child then sex is. And while sex for procreation can also be explained to a child. Sex for pleasure is a solid gray area. And in Helluva Boss, sex in exchange for power, or manipulation is completely child-unfriendly. To compare with Hazbin Hotel, you can explain to a 8 year old that Angels and Demons are at war, and that murder is part of war. Violence is understood. But trying to explain the dynamic Blitzo has with Stolas is just beyond complex. So that reason, I do think sexual topics should be held to a higher standard than violence. People always act like "oh, war is worse than prostitution, so why do we censor sex, but we don't censor a beheading?" It's because the concepts behind those things are different. Simple violence is easy for younger watchers to understand. But complex violence like torture and trauma are a bit much. --- I don't know a good answer. I don't have a good solution. But I'll say this. That even though shows like Hazbin and Helluva ARE DESIGNED FOR ADULTS, it won't stop kids from getting access to them. The reason I sat with an 8 year old to go over Helluva Boss, was because he was already 2 episodes in, and was going to watch it regardless. All I could do as a responsible adult was to make sure I explained what he was going to experience in the most responsible way possible. And when we sat down and watched Hazbin. I specifically had us skip the SA episode. And because I'm not a crazy prude, he respected me enough to agree with that. And getting kids to agree with stuff can be hard. I summed it up for him, and kept it PG. === I almost wonder if the "animation is for children" stereotype actually cuts both ways. Adults will refuse to watch animation, because they think it's for kids. And kids will be drawn to it, because they think it's for them. I think an artist should be free to express their stories in whichever medium they want. I think parents should be more involved in what their kids consume.