That's fucked up knowing they have the hand bannana episode.

@@oneofakind9995 hand bannana?

@@rayetheraptor they wanted one more season of Bojack but the animators wanted to unionize due to catastrophal working conditions, so Netflix pulled the plug

@juannaym8488 Basically Carl gets "graped" by a clone of shakes hand MANY times. It's a very controversial episode because it's jokes are mainly Carl getting "graped" by hand bannana with no one believing him.

Yeah, and it was mostly the traumatic aspect if it that Morel Orel was trying to explore, even suggesting a woman's choice to abort after the event was too far for TV. Why is making fun of the concept of genocide, religion or even abuse/assault okay but the second someone tries to talk about trauma seriously on TV the plug is suddenly pulled? That infuriates me to no end.

I agree. But there are some dipictu9ns that are just disgusting. I watched "irreversible" and felt sick by the rape and attack scene. It was played out in full And it can retraumatize people. As someone who was SA'd I couldnt get that scene out of my head for weeks after I watched it

What I don't understand is why people seem to be perfectly fine with murder, death, suicide, and SH being in media, but get upset when SA is discussed. These are all real things that people go through, and should be treated as such. Talking about SA in media seems to be entirely off the table to some people, which is I something I'll never understand, because those stories need to be told as well. People who went through anything like that deserve to feel represented and seen.

​@@dataexpunged93N15 because the person who gets SA'd still has to live with those memories. I can imagine that the family members of murd3r victims can't stand watching movies like Saw or Halloween, just as i refuse to watch any movies with r@p3 scenes in them so i dont have to relive those memories

I am so sorry that happened to you 😢 I hope you find peace and happiness in your life 🩵

@@dataexpunged93N15 I don't think suicide is a good example- cause people made good arguments against the way 13 reasons why portrayed suicidal ideation in a harmful way. Also, I feel like when it comes to SA, it's a topic that isn't always treated seriously for the victims, especially for children, men and or women at a disadvantage. I think that's why people are so sensitive about how the topic is handled, because either their lived experience is just a joke and or something to laugh about, or as a plot device and or a tool, not to give depth to characters but to just have a shocking scene.

Its been a while since I've watched the show, are you talking about the girl who Mizu was asked to kill and give the hand sign to before that?

@@hairlessgrizzly559 yes :) the way the handled her history felt really respectful

@@lbird524 schizo

absolutely, phenomenal show

I wonder if the reason for that was because one of the creators and the director were women

A valuable but unfortunate lesson. Just because it's family and friends of the family doesn't mean they can automatically be trusted

My mom had a conversation with me about it as well once when I was young and I am now incredibly grateful for that

You have a good mom. These things are extremely important for parents to talk to their children about. It helps keep them safe.

@@pissapocalypse indeed she does

I wish my parents had that talk with me when I was younger because my school never gave us the 'Good touch, bad touch' lesson(which I highly suspect that my parents were hoping the school would do). If I had had this lesson, then maybe I wouldn't have been SA for 4 years(8-12)by my older cousin, who even manipulated me into thinking it was okay even though it felt wrong. But to be honest, I am not going to blame or hold resentment towards my parents for what happened to me. We were a growing family(a family of 6), and my parents were trying to do everything they could to give me and my little siblings a good life. Plus, after I finally came forward about my abuse, my mom cried with me and even found a therapist for me to help me through processing my trauma.

I agree and wish you all the successes with your stories!

It’s a double standard unfortunately. :(

​​​@@SquamataReptileThere's many examples in media of girls getting Sa'd which is used for comedy (mainly in Japanese media but there are still some in western). I understand where you're coming from by saying that male victims are more likely to be made into a joke, but please don't act like women's SA is always taken seriously. This is definitely an issue for every gender

@@garbageenthusiasm4588 oh yes of course, im not saying women being sexually assaulted is taken seriously all the time. It definitely is a problem for both sexes which is really sad.

@@SquamataReptile Sorry if I came off as aggressive 😅 I just feel passionately about all SA being horrible crimes regardless of sex. Just because someone is a man doesn't mean they "wanted it" and just because someone is a woman doesn't mean it's not an up hills battle to get their story to be taken seriously. Clearly you understand that though, I'm glad we're in agreement :)

How dare you speak the TRUTH! That's why we need to talk about it and stop this bullshit of excuses like "Boys and girls are different, so for him it's fine", "Of course he wanted it", "Everyone must be jealous now" or "Men always want it"

My brother uses male SA to put down what he did to me

​@@rosarolli have you tried craigslist? It's full of psycho's willing to do anything for money

Who's "we all" bro?

South Park actually called this out when Kyle's brother dates his kindergarten teacher

@@areakastudios6704 who?

​@@areakastudios6704 a shame she became a god damn Nazi

I think is people getting weird vibes by like, making a parallel between the non consenting act and suffering with literal bondage and BDSM which is already pretty fetishistic in itself, like add the thing a dog collar and of course is going to look sexually weird... I dunno, it honestly makes me feel gross like, I just know some twisted fucks is going to roleplay this scenario on discord one day as the sexiest shit ever...

Couldn't have said it better myself.

​@areakastudios6704 how on earth does it remind you of Emily?

Zoomers and alphas already do it way too much, we’re we’re not helping healing or moving forward, this is coddling and creating weakness.

You deserve better. Im so sorry that sick monster hurted you i hope the best of you

So many more girls until that dude was brought down to justice is disgusting. The fact that shit like this is so common is beyond me. The world is a horrible place

You spelled it right! :D

Joe beating the shit outta his dad after finding how he was conceived has gotta be one of the most satisfying scenes in the show

​@@amazingspiderladi'll admit that i was just first watching Moral Orel, i was just shocked and wanting to know why until i found out the context and i was happy to see Joe beating that old man lmaoo

@@SugarViv_ yay

this gave me a good laugh before heading into the video proper

That's... A better experience at least.😅

It's like reading CP and thinking about Cyberpunk

Hey, if YOU don't talk to your kids about Sonic Adventure, then who will?! :P

@@juannaym8488 or when the name Chris Paul gets shortened to cp.

The sexual abuse is just another way Val exercises control over Angel. It’s an additional layer to the abuse. Reducing Angel to a rape victim is a very disrespectful oversimplification of his situation as a whole.

@@Randomyoutuber-4831 YES! Exactly! And to all of us survivors of partner abuse (wher SA wasn't the only form of abuse we endured).

god this! thank you!

YES!! This is why, as a victim of abuse, I resonated with the episode so much even if I never experienced sexual abuse specifically. And I especially found it hard to watch how Charlie seemed so very oblivious of it all, all the warning looks from Val, all the terrified glances from Angel, etc. It reminded me way too much of people who in my very life were either willfully ignorant about my abuse or just too oblivious to it and would put me in danger because of it. It's one of my favorite, yet one of the hardest episodes to watch at least for me

@@hihilt2589 as hard to watch as it was it’s also just so horrifyingly realistic. People that have never had to face or deal with abuse personally just don’t seem to get it. I remember straight up telling my maternal cousin some of the shit my dad would do to me, and then a month later when I was having an anxiety attack over a nightmare about it she asked me if I was still ‘on that’ and that I should forgive my dad already since he’s my dad. It was incredibly eye opening to realize just how much she really didn’t understand. I totally agree with you, such a good episode despite being so hard to watch.

I mean the club was called 'Consent' and Pen did come out with all of his clothes, so I'm hoping that he came out of it fine after probably really badly explaining his situation??? Hopefully???

@@SkuldSpookster That's what I assume had happened, that he got out of the room before they had sex. I highly doubt viv would allow that kind of rape joke in her show

I'm pretty sure the joke is that he technically consented, but then backed out as soon as possible

This isn't like a one off thing, I do have to criticize viv for that because this kind of joke has been used before in Helluva boss aswell in Episode 3. Which I don't like. But I felt that they handled Angel's story well atleast.

That's a very good point... Angels situation was shown as horrible and truamatic, and rightfully so... It's horrible what he goes through from Valinetino, but then that scene with Sir Pentious, dragged against his will into that... _"sex room"_ and it was treated like a Joke... That's upsetting...

I didn't even realize that I age regress myself to make up for an abusive childhood until she talked about it in this video! Realizing that I do it made it much easier to empathize with.

on Twitter it's even worse, so many sa survivors defending the episode and the scene, and yet they are invalidated by many who already hate the show. I do not get involved in this discussion because I have never been through these experiences and I am not qualified to speak, so I prefer to just listen to the victims and their independent opinions, whether positive or critical, because in my opinion, they deserve to be heard more than people who never suffered what they went through. their voices are more important than mine is what I mean.

The people lying about it not having a warning aren't helping. The episode literally opens with a black screen warning the episode contains it.

@@EeveelutionStorm I just watched the opening of that episode. There is no trigger warning screen, so I don't know where you've seen it. ^-^'

@@laraprisma6381 my thoughts exactly!

Omg this absolutely! As someone that hasn't been Sexually assaulted but has been groomed and such, the episode really his a raw nerve with me, it was really good without feeling out of place within the universe

i didn't like the ending, where kyle's speech where it was about relationships and how it ties u down rather than the harrowing situation

@@danielnidhiry5796 I agree

@@danielnidhiry5796 I agree and get where they was going....buuuttt yeah it wasnt good

I do like how they depicted the police and men as the ones not taking it seriously. A lot of men complain women don’t take their issues seriously, when the main perpetrators are other men. Women are misogynist too, and that stuff comes from SOMEWHERE. Also the police not taking it seriously is just life.

“I hope you’ve learned, kids, that if you don’t go with Christ, you could end up just like that splattered bitch down on the pavement.”

Yeah Viv has a weird habit of making Angel's abuse be taken seriously (which as she should because it's a serious thing) yet she also plays other bits of SA and abuse for laughs. Kinda makes you wonder if the only reason Angel's abuse is being taken seriously is because he's Viv's favorite so he gets to have his trauma taken seriously

⁠@@anlydaly5726the reason is likely because Viv has been called out for Angel’s character multiple times before Hazbin officially aired finding a lot of his narrative to constantly feel fetishized. These critiques have been happening for years and so HH team honestly knew if they didn’t handle Angel well things would have gotten really messy, and while the actually conversation of Angel will always be divided it does raise a lot of question about how the whole teams treat other jokes or other cases of abuse being off putting still. Edit; I’ll clarify that the few other cases of SA jokes are very off putting for me because to me Viv was called out years ago, the team should know better. But I even think of other forms of abuse, something still present in Angel’s stories but for other characters often times people are very quick to dismiss other showcasing as “but it’s hell they are meant to be bad!!” all while understanding Angel’s situation., I think of how Blitzo very commonly verbally abuses Moxxie in Hellavu which has always been a joke (and fans have called it out as being overplayed). While the theming can’t fully contextualize in the same as Angel’s it’s weird how at times similar ideas of abuse- physical, verbal, emotional, etc are in these universes bypassed because in this situation it’s meant to be humorous. I’m not saying the inclusion is bad, i think to BoJack and how you can have deplorable characters be protagonists making Blitzo a fine candidate for the role but by making that the butt of the joke rather than Blitzo being a joke is an example of why I think abuse as a whole is a topic people tend to distrust Viv/the team with.

hazbin hotel has an sa joke literally like two episodes after the very serious portrayal of angel dusts abuse so you aren't very far off

This is why as an CSA victim myself I have Angel Dust as my comfort character

@@sailorstar3148 same

That's great and all but why does in EP 6, a joke is made about sir pentious getting gang raped? why is Angel dust's assault treated seriously while another one is relegated as a funny moment

THIS!!! I didn't know I was coping with my SA with promiscuity until a really profound moment of self reflection. I don't need it but the trust, respect, and safety from situations like it, where you're in control is comforting. To find moments where you aren't afraid of it anymore is empowering. Watching the scene where angel explains how its not all an act and talks about it being an escape broke me. Cause yeah.. sometimes it is an escape from...well everything and turns into a place where you CAN feel safe. Everyone's experiences are different and it sucks to have your lived experiences become a target for victim blaming when its being discussed.

i think it's good to show that hypersexual SA survivors exist, and i think people saying angeldust is being fetishized or portrayed unrealistically are sometimes interpreting the show in bad-faith. however i feel like his arc wasn't given the time to breathe it needed to really sink in (angel's arc is not the only part of the show i feel this way about). i also have to wonder if there were any people behind the scenes who had personal experience with sexual exploitation or substance abuse, either writing the script or acting as sensitivity readers, because i feel like that's a really important step in portraying topics like this accurately

That’s Foids for you - will do anything but actually implement an effective solution and want everyone to make the thing safe or done for them!

Yes... and she does the same with: Murder Sexism Adultery Drug Use Death Generational Trauma and a whole list of other topics. Comedy is best when it pokes fun at tragedy. If you're so bent out of shape about jokes on a topic then you actually need to get mental help. That's not as an insult but you ACTUALLY have something wrong with you. Repression, Obsession, could be anything. If you always treated these topics as serious and depressing then that darkness wins. Only by making jokes and keeping a light heart about things can you prove you're truely emotionally mature.

@@baphomeat The issue with this is that you're assuming the jokes are funny at all. Vivziepop does not get to be a hypocrite with the excuse of "oh it's just comedy" when she can't decide what is and isn't funny. Also the excuse of "you're emotionally mature if this is funny to you" is stupid because jokes desensitize people to the actual issues

​@@theskittleman8215when do you think it's okay to make jokes vs not? honestly I'm not attacking you just curious on your opinion. Do you think it should only be use for when a victim is making jokes about there own trouble?

@@theskittleman8215 Comedy isn't decided on whether or not everyone finds something funny, it literally can't be. There will never be a joke Everyone finds funny. You sound like you're trying to justify your reasoning that "X shouldn't be joked about" with a motte and bailey fallacy. You can say that you personally aren't comfortable with jokes touching on certain subject, that by itself is fine, but trying to say Nobody should do them on some moral basis is just wrong.

This EXACTLY. This is exaclty why i dont like her show. This even happens IN hazbin, shes a hypocrite.

I'd say take each scene in it's respective context. It's a show trying to be dark comedy first and foremost. And as dark comedies do, it will make light of dark subjects. But like Moral Orel or South Park, Vivzie is trying to make it a dark comedy with a heart and something to say. So there will be some scenes that draw serious attention to abuse, and then other scenes that will make a joke out of it. These are not real people. Sir Pentious is not affected in anyway by the "$$$ room" because the writers decided he wasn't, it's not consequential to his character arc nor the overarching plot nor anything beyond a running joke and tangentially his desire to form a romance with Cherri Bomb. Angel's experiences as Val's slave are the crux of his character arc, so the show pays much more severe attention to it.

Im glad you think so, thank you 💚

@KanetheGoofster I don't think it's your fault for not knowing, especially when age regression is hardly talked about at all. It's only really something you look into if you hear about it and find the psychology behind it interesting, or if it's something that affects yourself or someone you know. I also wouldn't call you an asshole for being mislead about what it is, especially because now you learned about and now respect it! There's a lot of people who do know what it is but still choose to associate it with kink and such, so the fact that you're deconstructing that belief after being educated is really good! I just have a lot of feelings about the topic and I wanted to let you know that I really appreciate you actually taking the time to learn about it!

yeah ^^^^ no worries at all man, we learn things when we learn them. it's the care and showing up for others that counts.

yeah, same here. I've been doing it this whole time, and judged others who did it because there wasn't a name to a face, didn't know they were separate 'til she explained it.

The way he was more concerned with Valentino than the literal fire engulfing the studio 😭

I hope you are doing ok

I hope you are doing ok

Even worse when the SAter gets pregnant and then the victim can't force her to abort the child he never asked for, and will legaly be forced to give his assaulter money for the rest of his days. Cause the child never asked to be born like this. Yeah, I get it... But at least give the victim something to latch on if he was actually assaulted by the woman... Comeone... Just saying, female victims who end up pregnant can (God... I HOPE they can) get rid of their assaulter's unwanted offspring. But male victims are 100% screwed if it happens. They can't do anything, and will even end up giving money to the woman who did this to them. They might even do that on purpose, it happened before. I know that it's unfair for the fetus... Bht it's unfair for the victims to see the result of their traumas for the rest of their lives, it's unfair towards them too, and I feel like the law does not really think much about this part as well...

@@hermescarraro3393 wait that happened

@@hermescarraro3393 Yeah, with abortion laws being scarily close on many people nowadays, we might end up getting a really bad situation not just for women's rights, but men's. Unfortunately, all the male (and rarely female) politicians wont see this till its too late. They claim you have to "deal with your trauma" when this isn't dealing with the initial trauma, this is forcing more trauma on to that person. All victims will have to be permanently reminded that this trauma happened and that the perpetrator got what they want. Females will have to deal knowing their body will never be the same and its because they were forced to give birth to a baby that was forced onto them, and males will have to deal knowing their hard earned money is going to the awful person who forced this trauma onto them, and the law only wants the victim to hurt more.

A woman teacher groomed her student and they got married and the fact nothing was ever done disgusts me

Anime doesn't help. So many instances of older women creeping on teenage boys and it's framed like it's "hot". There are teenage boys who would say "But I'd want that to happen to me." No you don't. You're a child. You can't consent to an adult.

🫂

True, all those scenes were pretty creepy to me and I wanted an explanation why those scenes were even in those episodes but then realized they were only for laughs which is... 😐

@@notbeanbag8764 To make it worst is that the club they were in was called "consent". They did that on purpose and it irritates me so much.

Yeah, and it fucking sickens me of the double standards that fans have with that scene. When it's angel dust I see people feeling sorry for him and wanting to help him, but when it's sir pentious I've seen people say shit like "he was asking for it" or "it's his own fault for yelling it out"

@@cyanity1017 It's the fact that Cherri ended up sleeping with the guy who basically assaulted her love interest. Everyone at the club including the main group stood there and didn't help but we're supposed to believe they're kind? Yeah right.

That’s the thing- I think a lot of the people who liked episode 4 are taking that scene at face value, rather than in context of the whole show. The show up to that point had played Angel Dust’s occupation for laughs, even in the same episode, and then did a complete tonal 180 which made it feel jarring. And then, afterwards they went on like nothing happened. The scene is poorly set up, and that’s what ultimately makes it land flat for many. If Hazbin didn’t have such an over the top cartoony/juvenile comedy style, I think it would’ve been received far better. This is why shows like Bojack Horseman and Tuca and Bertie are far better equipped to cover serious topics: because they keep a consistent tonal balance and their humor isn’t so bombastic and in your face.

Alright continuing on from there, because this is a more specific opinion. On the Angel dust situation I think they actually depicted this really well. It's a very specific type of situation that most will go "Well duh I know what that is" but I feel like we don't talk about to much. The difference in types of sex work and the dangers in the difference along with the different forms of SA that accompany them. As far as I remember Vizi speaks up for sex work, supports it and wants ppl to have that freedom, there's plenty of men and women I've seen that genuinely enjoy it. But we can't forget there's a MASSIVE difference between someone managing or paying someone to manage their OWN onlyfans etcetera and someone who was contracted or even sought out to DO sex work. Remember VAL is a PIMP the situation and representation is going to be very different, that's a whole other type of world. And ai think they depicted it pretty well. Angel Dust clearly enjoys sexual activities or being slutty to some degree, we see that in loser baby, however the autonomy of that has been taken from him by Val, turned into the dangerous sides of some sex industries or even for say Instagram models who have fallen victim to pimps driving them out to another country for a "show". Treating them similar usally with physical intimidation to violence like Val to Angel Dust. It's one of the reasons I don't think his SA is romanticized, because Pimps often are known to revert to violence when they feel control of a victim might be threatened. It's a scary horrible thing, that deserves to be depicted as disturbing, violent, and evil as it is. Plus they never really show Val in good light, he's shot tempered like a child, constantly being bithced by Vox, easily paranoid, and lacks self control, they make you hate him and see he's got no good qualities. This is good its not making light of the abuse while making you hate the abuser and giving a complex relationship of the victim. He's a sex worker, it's not all Angel is, but it's a part of him, there's danger to specific sex work and things to look out for. The SA some can face there is serious and can be extreme, none of that is the fault of the Victim either, even if they enjoy Sex work. But coming to terms with that and where you stand is part of recovery, being aware reality to work on fixing it, that's the loser baby part, the dangers was poison obviously. But those are ma thoughts, judge them as you please P.S I wrote to much and started going a lil scramble brain.

It’s also good to tune in on survivors voices and how they feel about the show or movie it’s in. And to bring people in on the project who have gone through such (if they are comfortable).

And free hot chocolate

And some cookies

they deserve so much better

And a nice warm blanket

And respect

Thank you 💚

@@Fionapollothey really are, good job

Ditto on that!❤️

@@FionapolloI like the artstyles a lot of artists have lately. I love HazbinHotel so it’s sad a lot people don’t like the show or HELLVABOSS

Yeah, and also Viv herself liked some of this person's art; she also drew some r*pe art before and honestly, the whole situation looks messy af...

i cant tell if you're talking about the fnaf purple man or somebody else

What purple man are you talking about here because the one from Fnaf was Defnitely not that

are you talking about some other purple guy and not the fnaf one/William afton? cause his whole deal was with about kidnappings and child murder not SA? Genuinely asking are you referring to a different character

If we are talking about Fnaf, then no, he is more of a psychopath with the goal to gain immortality, still a horrible person, of course, but not an sexual abuser (the creator said he doesn't want to put children, real or fictional, in that kind of narrative). But I can think on some abusers in animation. Judge Frollo can be considered a sexual molester, and he is shown to be a literal piece of shi t no one likes. Then we have Pastry Pete, again a piece of shi t no one likes. But then we can count Bojack Horseman, most people emphasize with him to some degree, but condemn his actions fully, and some just admire him. So yeah, you got a point.

They’re talking about the marvel supervillain guys

I think the thing that pissed me off was the amount of times I saw a tweet (often from a younger person) claiming that Angel Dust’s abuse is romanticized while at the same time showing clips and images of the abuse without actually putting a trigger warning on their posts. Which could be traumatic for someone who’s gone through that kind of abuse! Hell before the episode had even aired people were posting leaks of the POISON sequence. The show is 16+ and this episode was rated 18+ but I’ve seen users 14 years old or possibly younger post these clips-without warning to get people to see what a horrible depiction of SA this was. All the while complaining that they didn’t have a trigger warning when it first dropped.

I do not remember that in Scooby Doo, do you remember which episodes or where you heard about it?

@@Asta_RoseI’m pretty sure it’s in the scooby doo franchise but not I What’s New Scooby Doo

@@Asta_Rose I think that it's Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc. A wonderful show, but I don't remember the episode with Daphne. But I remember that she worked as a singer for music band there. Anyway, I highly recommend this show to you even if you're not acquainted with Scooby-Doo franchise.

i’m pretty sure raphielle wrote the episode who has admitted to not being a survivor of SA and also has a f*tish for r*pe

I hope you are doing ok

Exactly. I feel like people felt so uncomfortable that they took it the wrong way, but that scene was SUPPOSED to feel awful, and I dare to say even show people who aren't victims of SA how terrible it can be, not just the act itself, but dealing with it after.

I’m so sorry that happened to you

@@aizichi thank you! It was years ago when this happened, so thankfully I have done much better since then. I actually have someone special in my life, so that makes it a lot easier to not think about what happened back then

Man knowing that it makes the people complaining about the episode, masquerade, and the song poison made them look like a holes no matter how much people try to twist the narrative

I apologize if this doesn’t make sense, I’m not that great at English

I’m so sorry. Pls tell me the pedophile got arrested or charged.

Everyone online was overreacting badly, in my opinion just blowing something out of proportion to try to tear the show down. Once I watched it too I had no idea why everyone was throwing a fit about it, since it was done so well and made me feel sympathy for the character.

@@marg0gh yeah completely agree. It's like...are people so quick to hate on Vivzie's shows that they abandon any media literacy skills/understanding. They handled the storyline so well imo. Shame that the vocal minority made it into such an issue.

It looked so Fetishy I’m sorry, they put angel getting SAd over the beat of a pop song. Knowing Viv’s own… “interests” I’m not even surprised

@@VincentTFarmer Firstly, no-one knows anyone's true interests much less those only known over the internet. It sounds so parasocial to claim that anyone outside of Viv's friends/family know what she's interested in. Secondly, I don't think depicting important real world problems that people face like SA in an adult show makes it look like a fetish. There are age ratings for a reason, and many adults unfortunately experience these things and groups of people feel represented by Angel and his situation. I didn't see the leaks if that's what you're referring to (i.e. someone put a random song over the footage) or if it's the episode itself (Poison section). If it's the latter - Hazbin is a musical, of course there will be music for important sections of the show like a musical would. Poison is in the same type of music genre that matches Angel. Like how Addict is a pop/club song that matches his vibe. Angel is a star in the field and is featured when performing live, adult films, and music videos so this style of music also makes sense for that too. Plus the song dives into AD's character - the 'Angel' side that he uses to mask his self with and the 'Anthony' side which is more honest and true to his feelings and thoughts. It's all handled very well for the show, the character and was positive representation for people to feel seen by, whilst also leaving room for moments like later in the season where AD stands up to Val. With much more potential for things to develop in season 2. Angel's songs could form into a triology of sorts - Addict, Poison, & a season 2 song that could show how things developed with his situation and character.

@@starace4031 The lead storyboard artist openly admitted to being into rape. There. That’s literally all you need, an open confession that while making the series, the guy working on it is a freak. And about “not knowing her true interests” SHE HAS A PLAYLIST. ON HER SECOND CHANNEL. OF RAPE SCENES. ON HER FAVOURITES. DUDE. LIKE SERIOUSLY WHAT MORE EVIDENCE?!?!

I hope you are doing ok

@@TKR-ox9ff i am thank you, i hope you're doing well too

But I'll say one thing, it's fine if SA victims like these shows and characters, or\and people have their own interpretations. Like harassment, doxxing etc. is never an answer. And outside of twitter drama and stuff\creators' dramas, episode 4 is fine ig (athough still depends on a person who watches it And there's flaws in pacing etc.). And if you like villains for being villains, without liking or approving bad things they do, is totally fine. Just I've seen plenty of fans who like only rape part in Valentino

I hope you are doing ok

Yeah. I didn't like the joke (I do like the suggestion someone made here of having Angel stepping in and going, "you don't need to do that", because it would both fix the joke and help the episode in a narrative sense), but also, there was no way Pentious had time to have sex with *everyone* in the club AND had his clothes intact, which was basically the one saving grace in that nothing happened.

I hope you are doing ok

The "joke" is a rule of 3. The joke is "becasue I'm blank with everyone." An exaggeration of a trying to cover up being anxious and doing something senseless to avoid embarassment. With Pentious, yeah we could have done without the "Consequences" but like many have said given the name of the club and the previous portrail the joke might actually be that nothing happened. With Moxxie, if I recall, we get Blitzø visibly distressed. It's more a subversion of the joke in that we expect him to react different and he is both horrified and attempting to give Moxxie advice. I almost feel like most people expect those situations to be jokes and so they don't react with horror instead. (Note that in both instances it's a man and such jokes are often seen as "appropriate" esp in adult media. So when situations like that happen people jump on them being "jokes". IDK maybe I'm way off base. I haven't seen either scene recently enough to know exactly how they read. I didn't really read Pentious as a joke though.

Finally people with comprehension skills, a rarity these days

The Sir Pentious one was funny asf, nobody will take that away from me and I'm pretty sure nothing happened in there. I mean come on, the club is literally called "Consent", what are people so mad about?

I hope you are doing ok

And so many people walked back on their original complaints when they got the full context. Social media has made people way too reactionary.

it is pretty upsetting how people jump to conclusions without thinking whatsoever, especially nowadays-

This show us not that good for u to get angry over it The writing is nothing special or new, and the jokes are unfunny as hell find something else this show isn't even that good for u to waste ur time

@@No1shigeokageyamafan oh look! It’s the end all be all critic who wholly determines what’s good and what isn’t! Forget all the people who genuinely like the show, feel passionate about it, and find a genuine sense of comfort in it’s characters! This random individual says it’s bad so that automatically makes it bad because their opinion is apparently the only one that matters! /s Man GTFO with that sh*t.

@Randomyoutuber-4831 whatever man, idc if u like it its but the people running crucles for this need to realise its not that good to be stressing out about it I can feel ur anger in ur typing u need to chill tf out...