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Okay but almost all of Shakespeare's work is just Greek mythology fanfiction

YOU SHOULD START A PODCAST!!!! Id listen to it whole heartedly because I love listening to your thoughts and opinions.

one of my professors at my university specializes in fanfiction and fan culture. I took a class on Sherlock Holmes and we talked at length how that fandom was, more or less, the birth of modern fan culture. It was fascinating! I really appreciate your nuanced take toward fanfiction and its accessibility, because yeah fanfiction is kind of ass but. maybe I'm an ass girl

"after, by anna todd, and wuthering heights are technically both books in the same way that i now pronounce you chuck and larry and shawshank redemption are also both movies" is what i'm taking away from this, and i'll be repeating this phrase endlessly

all i know is that harry needs to start suing this fanfic writers lmao

everyone knows the 500,000 word fanfic was all the young dudes and it was amazing. i cant and wont take criticism on this

Carley really said "In this essay I will explore the ethics of fanfiction and why published fanfiction sells" and I love that

I think fanfics tend to get a bad reputation that's not always deserved. Sure, a lot of it is cringe and poorly written. But a lot of it is pretty great. I literally just read a fanfic last night that made me sob because I felt myself represented in the MC's insecurities. It's unfortunate that a lot of people write off fanfiction because they could enjoy it if they searched and found one that speaks to them.

I think part of the reason why published fanfiction is often "bad" is the fact that it's taken out of context. A fanfiction author knows that their readers are fans of the original work, so they don't need to establish the characters at the beginning of their story, because their readers are already familiar with them. Its a totally different kind of media to published novels because of that, and taking it out of context (by changing the names for e.g.) often results in characters that feel boring or underdeveloped, because they don't get presented enough to a reader who doesn't know them yet.

what's the deal with mr harry styles being the muse of literally every fan fic?

But, concerning fanfiction: Yes, most of it is... not great (to put it nicely) BUT there are some very good ones out there. Like, there's a reason why we joke about not being able to finish a single book sometimes but can read 40.000+ words worth of ff in one evening. And yeah, usually you can tell if someone is a writer after reading, like, 10 sentences. I happened to find real talents on AO3, whose work I would gladly publish if I had any impact.

fanfiction gets such a bad rep. People are so set on making fun of it and calling it cringe they don't see why its so popular. why its so important. fanfiction IS art. It allows people of all ages, all backgrounds, to enjoy themselves with as much or as little effort as they want, with whatever tropes and cliches they want without the restrictions of publishing a real book or pleasing what the majority want. You get to share your work and get inspired by a huge community of people, readers and writers like yourself, and you get to improve and discover things about yourself and your interests. Fanfiction has always been and will always be art, because it is created without profit in mind and is a way to express yourself and who you are or want to be or don't want to be to the world. No matter if its the most beautifully written piece if literature or a one direction adoption oneshot. you write what you're passionate about, and that's the beauty of it. because it's *not* published literature. cringe is dead, fan culture lives

Also for real, when you're seeing some shady ass unhealthy toxic relationship on AO3 there's tags! There's a system in place to let you know what you're getting into. But when a fanfiction gets its numbers filed off and becomes a book that's marketed to the average young woman, the context is so different.

I'm haunted by the knowledge of the 'after' series by Anna Todd

That's it- that was the last straw. I'm gonna HAVE to study the fanfiction fan culture track of my sociology course in uni

"Not everything has to aim to be the height of artistic expression and say something new. Sometimes things can just be fun to consume." YES. I love analyzing and discussing literature and reading thought-provoking stories. However, sometimes I just want to read a light-hearted romance or an over-the-top fanfic. I think people sometimes forget that reading doesn't always have to be so serious. It's okay to read just for fun! The fact that people are reading at all is worth celebrating, in my opinion.

"Instead of being a fascist he's just grumpy, and instead of being cousins... They're not" the way I SNORTED

Have I read bad fan-fiction? Yes. But I’ve also found straight up artists. Wordsmiths. A few geniuses. And, honestly, most of the ff I read now is better written than most published books. (But I vet what I read through groups and recommendations, so I easily avoid the worst.) These days, I think ff is drawing from a more intelligent pool than it gets credit for.

I NEED a colleen hoover deep dive/ hot take. ive been thinking about the rise of anti-intellectualism disguised as accessibility and i wonder if you have any thoughts

The way After gets a movie but the literary masterpiece that is All the Young Dudes doesn't? Crazy

Dante's inferno was fanfiction. So was the After series. There's RANGE!!

let’s talk about how Olivie Blake, who wrote THE ATLAS SIX, is a prolific dramione fanfic writer

I had to go read the Chris Evans GQ article just now. What a cultural artifact that I had no idea existed.

Fanfiction actually got me into reading, and I think therapy

I think what people forget about fanfiction is that they are not going through the process of publishing. There are not professional editors (beta readers and editors do exist in the fanfic realm but I don't think it's to the same degree as traditionally published novels) and so it is even more impressive when you come across an incredible fanfiction because it mostly came from one individual.

as a lesbian most encounters i've had with fic are incredible, especially 10 years ago when there was hardly anything sapphic for teenagers to read. faberry and swan queen fic writers carried the sapphic community for years and some of those were extremely talented. i still read villaneve fic today because ao3 offers a pretty rare platform, even in 2022, where queer people write about queer people for other queer people. there's nothing weird or performative about it and it just feels much more real than a lot of the source material and general sapphic media. i think about that a lot, but what i just realized because of this video is that the majority of fanfic that gets published is overwhelmingly heterosexual, which just seems very typical to me. queer people are gonna have to keep tweaking the canon a bit longer i guess, because as much as we move forward, apparently straight people are just many steps ahead of us regardless lol,,, kinda sad but ok, i'll take the milf film any day

Not going to lie, I read Fanfictions who truly are masterpieces of literature…very few and they are never the ones that get adapted into publishing books ( because they expend and use distinct universes the are set in which makes it harder to adapt then a sloppy Twilight BDSM AU !)

oh god not to make this about me but im 11 weeks preggo and single as of last night and you posting a video right now just saved me from crying to sad house rain mixes all morning. thank you

i was one of the people that called anna todd out before her books were published and got blocked. when it was announced she’s be the first wattpad promoted author to be published, i’m pretty sure her feed was flooded with more people opposing it. she literally doesn’t care. matter of fact, she lied about her age and pretended to be an 18 year old, even posting fake update posts about essays she had due in school, etc etc. We only found out she was 25-27 with a husband deployed in iraq when she was finally being published. she’s an odd woman

I definitely didn't know The Love Hypothesis was a reylo fanfic when I picked it up, nor have I been in the reylo fandom, I picked it up because it was marketed as a romance and also in science

The way my mind instantly went to atyd after you said 500,00 word Harry Potter fanfiction😭

emily henry's writing gives me published fan fiction vibes. I think it's a whole genre now.

I wonder how many best sellers are secretly fanfics that no one has figured out

i’m glad we’re all finally coming clean about the fact that every singe one of us has read all the young dudes makes me feel less alone and also a lot less silly it’s great

I used to write self-insert fanfic in high school and then I made friends with a bunch of male nerds who made fun of me, and I couldn’t tell you if I stopped because it wasn’t fun anymore or because I wanted them to take me seriously

my problem with fanfiction isn’t that it’s bad or poorly written or cringe but i feel like it could be uncomfortable for the real people depicted in those fanfics especially when it’s smut, even when it’s about fictional characters they are often based on the real actors portraying those characters

Does anyone else remember the day Zayn Malik joined Wattpad and said "I love your writings about me!" and everyone lost their shit? Good times.

literally same, last january, depressive episode, all the young dudes. one of my favorite works of literature ever, i'm not even ashamed, it was soooo good

i was not expecting almost a half hour of deep analysis on fanfiction but it was a lovely surprise! more and more convinced i should quit everything and write some half bad story to live off the profits whilst travelling the world or something

Jane Eyre was also kind of a Fanfiction. The Author was intrested on a Character of a Jane Austen's novel and decided to write her own story about her and it is seen as a masterpiece.

i have read fanfiction that made me feel more emotions than classic lit in english class

I just had an epiphany… I always thought that since I didn’t read that many books in middle school/ high school I’m not a “rEAL rEADER who’s always lOVED rEADING”… meanwhile I was voraciously consuming sometimes hours of fanfiction a night. Hmmm

I would argue that ATYD is in fact well written literature 🙋🏼‍♀️ also this is yet another humble request from me that you make a review video about it🙏🏼

This was great. I also think it's important to note that the concept of fanfiction only starts to exist once you have copyright laws. If you look at something like the Arthurian canon, that was hundreds of writers making up their own stories to hang in the Camelot universe. Lancelot is basically a Mary Sue OC created by one guy and he eventually gets pulled in as a core character because other creators like him. Story creation was far more organic and there wasn't this ownership of "this is my world, you can't play with it". When someone says Dante's Inferno or Paradise Lost is Bible fanfic, they aren't technically wrong but it's not quite the same because nobody owns the bible and they were written at a time when it was normal to take stories and reshape them. Fanfic as a category for art only exists because we have a concept of ownership of a story. As a writer you draw inspiration from other media. The difference with fanfic is that the inspiration is stated and used as a selling point. But since the characters and world are owned you can't actually sell it so you put it online because writers want to be read.

As someone who has been writing a fanfiction for 2 years and taking it as seriously as I can, this whole thing is very good for me 😈

I’d argue that published fanfiction dates back much farther than The Mortal Instruments. I mean, Wicked is Wizard of Oz fanfic, Jane Eyre is Pride & Prejudice fanfic, and one could even argue that Paradise Lost and The Divine Comedy are Biblical fanfiction.

It’s embarrassing but fan fiction got me into reading. I liked videogames and It was cool to read stories that amplified the universe of the games world. It was funny when I was younger but as you said I read it because of the characters and the world. When I started reading published authors there was no coming back.

Fan fiction is a great place to learn how to write, especially if you want to write Scifi or fantasy and feel intimidated by world building. You can start with practicing the basics of plot structure without worrying about character development and world building because that’s already been done. That being said, practicing with fan fiction the moving on to original stories is completely different from rewriting a fan fiction into an original story and then publishing it

this is the fanfic video i didn't know i needed. that world is indeniably fascinating, whether people like it or not. thanks for such an awesome video bestie ✨

ok ive only read the title so far but fanfiction has always been art! dante’s inferno, wide sargasso sea, antony and cleopatra (and a lot of other shakespeare works) are literally fanfiction. there’s a long history of people being inspired by other works and writing their own spin on it :)

as a teenager who, is still kinda, a lover (and sigh… writer) of fanfics, i think that it’s a good start for young writers. now that being said THERE ARE AWFUL FANFICS. but the fanfics i write are ALL “i do not see this type of character in the fics i read so i’ll do it myself.” anyway!!

I love hearing your takes on things! I always find them super interesting, engaging, and makes myself think about the different views on things. also im going to need your full uncarley timeline video on published fan fiction lol

this was so so interesting!! i love listening to your thoughts carleyyy, please keep making video essays like this bc they are ✨immaculate✨

Ive read A Song of Ice and Fire fanfiction because who knows if the series will ever be finished. Some of those authors have continued from where George RR left off in Dances with Dragons, and they've done so well and kept true to the series.

I will never forget the first time I read a erotica fanfiction where the POV character was turned into a trans masc person. It was the first time I really understood why people like porn. To read about someone with a body like mine, using the language I use for my body, and them receiving pleasure without guilt really changed my perception of my self worth. I love fanfiction, I love how it is an art form that doesn't bow to capitalism, I love how you can find what you like through tags/trigger warnings, and I love how it encourages young people to get into creative writing. There are many issues with sexualizing gay men, writing inappropriate content about real people, and other dubious stuff, but if you find the right fandoms its great. (the best fandoms tend to be fandoms that have older audiences)

this is the kind of rambling i would listen to 24/7!!! everything u say is so interesting to me, carley! podcast soon please

I am a writer professionally, but my professional writing is technical writing. I have no desire to do creative writing professionally. But I love to write fanfiction for fun. It’s a way to keep some aspects of writing as a hobby. I’m not writing fanfic to have fun and share with friends. And I think a lot of the other fanfic writers I interact with feel they same. That said I’m not really a fan of fanfics turned published books. Not that I don’t know plenty of incredibly talented fanfic writers, but the ones I know personally who do write good fanfic, also write original stories and would rather publish those. Great video!!

I actually love this vid sm and the points you touch on I'm 16 and actively read fanfics and this needed to be said

the way you talked about dumbledor was so refreshing and amazing immediately obsessed with you

I really enjoy your videos! You have such a charismatic and entertaining way of getting your points across and it's just so watchable. Thank you for all you do!

have figured out that I just love listening to people talk and express their opinions so your videos are perfect 🫶🏼

Love the editing & detailed information in this video, thanks girly

Fantastic video!!! You had such great points about the responsibility of publishers to not publish harmful, ab*sive literature with no thought to the effects it's having on young audiences.

my queen pls i love u sm thank u i needed an uncarley video

all the young dudes is a piece of art and i WILL fight anyone who'll disagree at the back of a Denny's parking lot

i needed to listen to something while working and this popped up thank you carley

missed your videos i'm so glad you're back !

I completely agree with you! The trope of abusive, toxic boyfriends masked as "nice guys" needs to end, especially in mass media marketed to young women. It is extremely harmful and leads to young, impressionable women getting into toxic, abusive relationships that they deem healthy because that was how it was portrayed in a piece of media they consumed. It is perfectly fine to show flawed relationships (as long as they are addressing the full consequences of those flaws) but there is a certain point where flaws are no longer just flaws anymore, and a lot of this media crosses that point. The behavior that some of these characters are perpetuating is completely unacceptable and should be shown as such.

the mortal instruments is actually ginny and draco, but she took one plotline from a ginny ron fic

The Mortal Instruments isnt a fanfiction, it has scenes from Cassandra Claire's hp fic because she was lazy and didnt want to write new scenes so she just took scenes from her own fics

I can’t believe this is how i find it you’ve read all the young dudes. also can’t believe I recognised it just by your “a 500k word, a 188 chapter harry potter fanfiction” description

This thing probably goes back further than we think - Charlotte Bronte read Emma by Jane Austen and got interested in the character of Jane Fairfax, who would have become a governess if she hadn't happened to marry so well, which gives us Jane Eyre. People just have a lot of imagination (in the case of fifty shades perhaps too much but I digress)

I think we ALL read atyd in a severe depressive episode.

this entire video was something i didn't know i needed until now UFF

I NEEDED this content. Thank you, ma’am ❤️

The Mortal Instruments was not originally fanfic, but I understand why people think that. Cassie Cla(i)re did write a Ron/Ginny fanfiction called The Mortal Instruments, but if I remember correctly, it was a one shot that was just like, "Ron and Ginny are in love. Scandal." It was quite poorly received by the Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny shippers because Cassie Cla(i)re had been a Harry/Hermione shipper (she eventually gave up on it, I think) and famously hated the Weasleys. It was taken as trolling, like she was just writing about that relationship to piss them off. I've read the original TMI trilogy, and from what I remember, it had more in common with CC's The Draco Trilogy. TDT would be hard, if not impossible, to turn into a published book because 1) the characters are still wizards and still go to Hogwarts and 2) it's full of plagiarism. Just whole passages lifted from novels, from Pamela Dean to Gene Wolfe. Not great, mate. The main characters in TDT generally map onto CC's version of Harry Potter characters (very different from Rowling's), but it's not always a 1:1 and some are true OCs. Jace is Draco, Clary is Ginny, the werewolf guy is Lupin. The context of their relationships is changed though. Ginny and Draco are not Voldemort's kids, Lupin was not a Death Eater, and so on. The plots of TDT and TMI are different, but there is overlap. TMI is not TDT, but they were written by the same person at around the same time and you can tell. I believe some on a dreamwidth anon comm went through and catalogued all of the similarities, but I'm not sure if that's still available online. I would say it's more like she could have written TMI as an AU Harry Potter fic, but instead, she just changed the names before she started writing and made it a book. This is not alleged. I was there. I wasn't reading fanfic though. I only know Cassie Cla(i)re's business because she was always getting posted about on Fandom Wank.

i can now die in peace knowing you've read atyd

Agree. Especially the bit about people like Anna Todd owing it to her readers to at least put a trigger warning.

Carry On is a crazy example of published fanfic lol

I do find it wild that there is now a Harry Styles fanfic cinematic universe (After, The Idea of You) as well as a weird TV show fanfic attempt (Happy Together, random CBS sitcom from 2019 that was just about dead on arrival). Talk about being an influential literary figure of the 21st century.

bestie oml i love ur fit??? UGH SLAY

the after fanfics are actually horrendous but all the young dudes is actually canon and i will die on this hill

I LOVEee how you talk, i feel like Im in a cool teacher class but also like im just listening to my bestie hahah💗💗

Loved this discussion. I have been checking your channel for new uploads and finally saw this today and man you knocked it out of the park. ❤. Also cheers to seasonal depression! 🥂 I’m getting my first taste of it this year.

This is such a good video!! Hope you can continue to give yourself the opportunity of making different type of content!!❤

The fact that I know which fic u were talking about just by u saying 188chapters really through me for a loop

The way I screamed when she casually mentions the Warriors series! Brings me back

God I missed you, thank you for being my comedy relief for seasonal depression!

I just want to let you know that as soon as I saw you posted a new video I out loud said “oh thank god”

carley being a marauders stan made me love her even more

shoutout to all the one direction girlies who read Dark in like 2012. to me it is the quintessential harry styles fanfic

we missed you queen carley!

have you read any rainbow rowell? i PLOWED through Fangirl recently and she manages to both write fanfic into a story about a fanfic writer … and it then spun off into a series of books of the fic from the story.

4:16 you read all the young dudes right i feel you sis

tbh i think my views on relationships was ruined bc of after, i read it so young and i LOVED it. but now if my boyfriend isnt jealous ever im like mm he doesnt loves me. it took me a lot to change my mind

the comparison of after to wuthering heights is crazy especially bc in the books hardin and tessa compare themselves to catherine and heathcliff constantly

Hey uncarley, you look really beautiful in this video. Rooting for you!!

not to be emo eMo but like,, thank u for existing and uploading i just love u and ur videos sm

City of bones is a Draco/Ginny fic, but Cassandra Clare had written another fic about Ginny and Ron. I really liked this book in junior high and that's the only reason I'm defending it lol