What's even better is that garchomp's shiny looks so much nicer being based off its beta design in that fixed mod

BDSP is a game where you can set your battle style to “set,” meaning you can skip one yes/no question in battle, but cannot change your exp share

This is something a streamer said when playing BD recently. "Of course pokemon now have tons of passive buffs you can't control because according to Nintendo kids will get bored or frustrated if they lose, BUT having to slather trees with honey, waiting 6 real time hours and see if a tree got that rare pokemon they are looking for is so much fun for them!"

There’s also a fun little thing with the “other RPGs have forced exp” argument and it’s that most of them usually have 3 to 4 party members out in battle at ONCE vs Pokémon where 90% of all battles are 1v1s. This is actually an important distinction for why it’s okey in other RPGs as in their cases, there are more instances where the individual party members are active at once and in many instances most obstacles in those other RPGs tend to have certain mechanics where a single universal brute force strategy is not enough to beat the entire game which makes party wide experience more acceptable. With Pokémon, most obstacles can be brute forced effortlessly with a high powered super effective attack so theirs basically no incentive to ever consider switching to use other Pokémon most of the time when you can one shot the opponent outright.

Gotta love the doublespeak from Game Freak: "We considered adding a way to turn off the Exp. Share, but then we remembered there is already a much more complicated and time consuming way to solo train, so we just left it. That would be more intuitive. Trust us." It would be less insulting if they just told fans to piss off and stop nagging them because they simply can't be assed.

Gamefreak: Doesn't implement a toggle because fans will do it anyway. 2030: Doesn't make a game because fans will make it anyway

How to get rid of exp share without modding: 1. Put your copy of BDSP in your switch 2. Turn off your Switch 3. Open your DS or Emulator. 4. Play Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum. :D

Best case scenario is being able to toggle which Pokemon are affected by the exp share. So you can turn it off for all or make it so only low level mons you want to train up like what the exp share used to be like

Honestly with how EXP Share was balanced, having it toggable would’ve been the best ending.

Let's face it: Fan made content like Rom Hacks and mods like this are better than Official Pokémon Switch Games. Edit: Legends Arceus doesn't count.

In gen 8 the true challenge is to actually lose a fight.

Did he really suggest limiting your party to 1 mon would be more intuitive than being able to disable xp share? good lord

"It would be better to [force a player to box their entire party to achieve the same effect of turning the exp. Share off]" ??? SIR. If I'm boxing my entire party, I'm essentially 1v(up to 6)ing EVERYTHING. NO, it's not the same effect??!?

I don’t understand how they messed this up, X and Y made you wait to get it and you could turn it off.

I will never understand why in newer Pokémon games they want to limit a player’s options to this extent, like why is an already easy game serious need to be dumbed down even more? I played bdsp and the fact I had to make a second team to be on par with the elite four just from the exp system is absurd. Oh and don’t get me started on the friendship and happiness mechanic in this game😅

There's also the more obvious issue with the "other JRPGs share exp!" argument: In most singleplayer Pokemon battles you only have one Pokemon out at a time. In most JRPGs you have a party of 3 or 4 battling at the same time. It makes sense to have a shared experience system when you are expected to use multiple people to win.

I just... I don't understand why there's such a discourse surrounding the Exp.Share's implementation. The Exp.Share we now know was optional when it was first introduced in X/Y, I don't understand why restoring that option is a bad thing? Not to mention it's not even a difficult thing to program, have it on by default and it'll function the same as it does now but people can toggle it on/off as they please. Level scaling isn't an issue, if someone is turning the Exp. Share off then they're either wanting a challenge or they're over levelled. It's silly not to include the option but this is the same company who think putting accessibility options behind random NPC's is totally fine.

I actually liked the grinding. It made the term "Pokemon trainer" make more sense. It may be frustrating at times but of course even in real life a journey is never all happy and easy and when I win battles it usually pays off.

I dream of a day when the exp share has the options to COMPLETELY customize the exp distribution. For example: -off: only the fighting pokemon get exp -equal: every pokemon get the same amount of exp -personalised: can choose what percentage of exp each pokemon get

As a game developer bdsp is a stark reason why I don’t like this industry anymore it’s littered with laziness and just general ignorance mostly on behalf of the higher ups that make shtty decisions like this and it hurts even more bc platinum is one of the many games that inspired me to get into game development

The hardest part of brilliant diamond was avoiding trainers so my Pokémon don’t become over levelled as a result of the exp share. I failed doing this so the game was piss easy and boring.! Words can’t describe how tedious and unrealistic it is to have to put the Pokémon you don’t want getting the exp into your pc which is the advice the creators gave for this exp share problem.

Most people will not believe me once again, but I don't really care. On my first playthrough my Pokemon were low lvl 60 after I defeated Cyrus on Mt. Coronet, I didn't really do much besides fighting every trainer along, and grinding team members up to the same lvl as the rest of my team, and yet I got overleveled. Then I started a new playthrough due to my overleveled team, and this time I strictly fought every single trainer along, and nothing else. The second time I was at mid to high lvl 50. How can it be that no matter what I do, I get completely overleveled because of this stupid exp. share, and I don't even get the option to turn it off?

“Faithful” remakes my ass, why can’t we go back to when exp share was an item and you have to find it from a random npc

Back before EXP share was an option I enjoyed having it on most of the time because I always had multiple low leveled Pokemon that I wanted to train at once. But not giving me the option especially when doing another play through just takes all the fun out of it. It just takes all the attachment you get to your Pokemon away from you, they get leveled up by doing nothing and you never get to have any meaningful battles with them. They just feel like lines of code instead of real companions you made on your journey. Pokemon really did lose their Heart and Soul a long time ago.

I'm definitely in support for optional exp share on/off toggle

I will never understand being against the ability to have choice in a game. Is it really that worth it just to defend gamefreak guys?

Platinum is and will always be the superior game- short of literally turning the games into platinum, thats not really gonna change. I mean they didnt even put in the Distortion World for fucks sake. Of all the things, that would have be the coolest experience and greatest place for them to stretch out and do something beautiful and different, just like how the distortion world was back then

Bdsp could have been my favourite 3D Pokemon games, but there’s so many small things that add up and mark it down, mainly forced exp share that made me avoid battles to not over level or keep switching my team out, the forced affection bonuses that you have to force feed Karen’s herbs to stop it, and following Pokemon not only being bad the second game in a row, but increasing the before mentioned affection rate. The best part, they’re all things past games have done better. I still really like these games, but I don’t love them, which is a shame because I really wanted to. I appreciate the harder boss fights, but it’s kinda ruined by a misplay I do going unpunished by my Pokemon hanging on or curing a status condition. It rewards sloppy play and doesn’t encourage you to learn how to get better.

Fixing BD/SP should be far easier than Sword & Shield thanks to the game being made with Unity.

I like that the grinding argument is used for the game that returned to making TMs one-time-use again.

I wish we were able to go back to the pre-gen6 exp share. I really liked how you were able to passively train one specific Pokemon so that it didn't have to fight but leave the rest of the team untouched. This was really handy for when you caught a new mon that was way weaker than everything else.

Really wished the Gible line's shiny is based off the Beta Gible line.

Bruh, Shiny Garchomp with the Beta colors is genius.

I feel like some people just think everything negetive about a subject they like/love is a personal atack.

not to mention, many RPG's that boost the entire party lets the entire party participate in battle. Not all the Pokemon participate in battle thus its not the same thing when they all get the EXP Boost.

Some of those people also never EV trained a Pokémon in THEIR LIFE... With the new Exp. share EVERY pokémon gains the EV from the battle, so if you wanted your Ferroseed with zero in speed but fought a Rattata with it on the 6th slot, well... you have now a Ferroseed with 1 EV on speed that could have gone to other stat. Granted, the new PC system is also a EASY-turner for this new games but wasting time moving pokémon from and through the PC is the same amount of cumbersome than togling something ON and OFF but with extra steps.

I cannot begin to understand why a person would argue against having options for people who like different things to them. It just doesn't make any sort of sense why having the option to do something would make someone upset.

Is funny how 2 mechanics that were perfectly fine on X & Y, the exp share was toggable, and the affection was separate from happiness and optional, are now the worst parts of each game just because they remove the option to say no. They took the worst parts of X Y for future games which is baffling.

The fact this is even a controversy shows everything wrong with Twitter, the Pokémon fandom and some of the things wrong with the entertainment industry as a whole. Why would anyone defend taking away a player's options? How brainwashed do you have to be?

I’m still glad that I didn’t get these “remakes,” on how half assed and rushed they are along with the dexcut, and especially the permanent exp share.

Way I see it, the Exp Share should be mandatory so that I have a never ending stream of videos complaining about it.

I just miss the old exp share, why can't we have 1 option for the whole team, one option as a held item, and 1 option to not use it at all?

This is the exact same situation as the removal of the dislikes! Why remove dislikes when there was already an option to do it!!!

I've also never heard this in any arguments in favor of Exp Share toggle, but it really should be brought up. The Exp Share mechanic is actually sharing EVs (as well as experience) across the player's party. For those who are trying to raise a diverse team (and especially for those trying to raise a COMPETITIVE, diverse team), this can be HIGHLY problematic. I've had pokemon in modern games that never see the light of day (never entered in a battle from the moment they're hatched) end up FULLY EV TRAINED because of the Exp Share. Nevermind the fact that the EVs are in places I never wanted them to be so I have to use friendship berries or the sand spellcaster in IoA to fix this. (Thank god for paying more irl money along with additional in-game currency to fix a problem, amirite?) In terms of the "other JRPG" argument, other JRPGs don't have an EV system that influences growth. So there is that, in addition to other points I've noticed being brought up.

...why did Exp Share stop being a held item anyway? I thought the whole point was to train up a specific Pokemon in your party that was lower-level and needed to catch up to the rest of the party. Distributing the experience among the entire party defeats the purpose when a single member of your team temporarily needs proportionally more than everyone else does. And the comment about other JRPGs sharing experience seems...flawed. Other JRPGs I played *do* have mechanics such as spells or items that either allow a character to take all the exp from a fight or take none of it and allow others to take his share. When these options are absent, players have to do really inconvenient and silly things just maximize training of character. For example, it's pretty common in Breath of Fire 3 to keep the main character Ryu dead in literally every fight for the first couple hours so he later can train as many levels as possible under the Master Bunyan. There is no option for keeping Ryu from gaining experience. However, by the time you get the Lv 1 character Peco when everyone else is lvl 20, it's common to give Peco the skill Monopolize so he will take *all* the exp from a fight and catch up to the party in 10 minutes. Obviously, JRPG players would like control over how they train their characters. Everyone would. So why would they pretend otherwise?

I'm one that wishes they went back to the held item version. The old games were balanced around that option existing if you went out of your way to get them and helped get weaker members up to speed without compromising the stronger ones in the process. If they really wanted to, they could have just named the toggle for everyone to gain experience the Exp. All after the Gen 1 item while the held item version would stay as Exp. Share for players like me.

Really appreciate your work in pushing back against the Pokemon fandom who cheers the removal of optional features from 15 years ago. How far the games have fallen.

Can you post a modding tutorial some day? I would like to know how to mod and I think others would as well

This is the best part of the game being made on unity You can easily improve some things you don’t like

0:20-That musical timing on the sparkle tho...

I will never understand why any game developer EVER would want to force their entire fanbase to play their game in a specific way. Isn't the point of Pokémon all about choice anyways? Isn't that why they've created over 800 of them??

Man, after completing sacred gold/storm silver pokedex, i can still remember the pain of grinding exp in victory road, training my 6 pokémons to reach level 60 because they were under 50 because i thought lance would use 3 Dragonites lv 60 lmao, i had to use lucky egg instead of exp share to finish the training. I once forgot to save the game, i had to grind again...

also jrpgs have exp share because most jrpgs you fight with multiple characters instead of one

Sinnoh really needed an updated look and not a (nearly)faithful copy and paste.

"It takes 1 byte to turn xpshare on/off" Actuelly it takes 1 bit, the other 7 are wasted 🤓

Even Fire Emblem had the common sense to make casual mode optional, as well as providing multiple dificulty options, some of which are very hard, like Lunatic mode.

Anohter thing about Exp Share in Pokemon and most ohters JRPG´s is that, most Partys in ohter JRPG´s also need ohter ways and managment to gain strengh, like Skill Tree´s, Gear/Weapons, Stats increase training and more. Your typical JRPG requires more than just leveling your characters, there is more depth in those. A normal Pokemon Playthrough doesnt rely on things like EV´s or Held Items. You can simply ignore those and still beat the game with no problem.

Pokemon fans: "I hate level grinding, it is so tedious and boring!" Also Pokemon fans: "Cannot wait to spend several days resetting for this slightly different coloured Pokemon! HELL YEAH!!"

Im sure that 95% of Pokemon players, even hardcore ones like me, really mind the exp share

One counter argument that I was strange that I didn't see you bring up in regards to people saying other games have shared EXP is that those games are balanced around that fact. Pokemon is not.

You didn’t have to ever grind. Exp share is baby mode, no exp share is good mode.

Imo, the only place the current exp share has besides an easy mode toggle is something you’d get post game when grinding to get certain moves for certain Pokémon, or training Pokémon you’ve bred to be up to snuff

the only time i’ve ever enjoyed the EXP share hitting my whole team is when i intentionally wanna EV train multiple pokemon.

It's sad how, despite following the exact same formula since its origins, Pokémon used to try and add something new to the base to change the experience. Now all they're doing is removing as much things as they can under the excuse of making the game more friendly towards casual players, ignoring that what makes Pokémon fun is the option to play it the way you want to play. It's also unsettling how a boolean in the source code cannot be toggled at all and was intentionally left there.

I found it really weird how the balancing for the whole game was too much a breeze until the elite 4 and champ that they decide to put up a challenge like I was always accidentally overleveled for gym leaders because of the experience share and how busted it was. Until the elite 4 actually had competent move sets and items that actually made the game more interesting and I was surprised I was having to actually do some competitive plays or cheese some wins for them.

it's funny that most people hate the thought of us getting a exp share toggle lmao 🤣

Its like the inverse of the should all games have an easy mode argument, but way fucking worse because it requires literal seconds of effort for them to implement

I was one of the people who was really hype when the exp-all came out in X/Y. I love the idea! But I also hated that they removed the option to toggle it off.

Another issue I have with the EXP Share is that it used to be an equipable item meant to be used on one pokemon at a time, though I think in some games it may have been possible to get more transferred in from other games. Not only would it help to restore the ability to toggle it off but also to toggle which pokemon in your party it does and doesn't apply to now that it's a feature that applies to the whole party rather than a held item. It's a shame to see a once well liked training tool turned into such a persistent inconvenience that can no longer properly serve its original function.

Honestly I genuinely like the experience share as it works these days, I think it was a change that made the games more fun for me. But I really do wish it had been something you can toggle, even if I believe my playstyle to be the most common one it takes almost no effort to appeal to certain other playstyles too.

Casual players want the game to be: if (pokemon type beats theirs) { one shot for free; } Individually training pokemon is fun and actually challenging. Every pokemon growing for free without ever using them is lame and makes 0 sense. Immersion breaker. They get to the levels of their strong moves that oneshot and you never had to actually earn victories against wild pkmn/ trainers. old XP share was super useful when you get an egg/super underleveled pokemon. it can catch them up to the pokemon at your stage of the game without having to fly back to earlier routes to train them and halt your progress. Also training pokemon earns them EV's and giving them to the whole party can kinda screw with that, giving all your pokemon similar ev distributions. I know the average player definitely wont play with Ev's in mind, thats sort of a minor nitpick. Theres just no reason for it to not be optional.

Again...you can set many other options in the games, giving you autonomy and an optimal experience...but you can't set the thing that *used to have a toggle* as well because...Game Freak logic and their tone deaf and out of touch "KiDs ArE tOo BuSy, LaZy, AnD sTuPiD." philosophy. Oh and...that's just Twitter for you, man. They had to REALLY dig deep for their unironically self-entitled and obtuse excuses to defend something so indefensible...when they are confused at what is being argued about it in the first place! I bet the smooth brains making those "arguments" in defense of the dreaded execution of this thing have a Sword and Shield in their bio. There's a reason I call them "tweetards".

I do kind of miss having to do it the old fashioned way, on one hand training up a new member of your team as the player helps with growing fond of that new member, but on a more practical side, it helps in seeing how well that pokemon would perform seeing the ends and outs of it through multiple battles to see if it's worth keeping or if you're new it could help you get more familar with their advantages and disadvantages. And while that can still be done even with the presence of the EXP share, honestly at that point you could probaly get by with not having to really ever use nothing but your 'favorite' main Pokemon and the others just coast on by like boxed mons that can gain exp. And while that's fine if people wana play like that, there are people who don't and it wouldn't hurt to have the option for those who don't.

"Grinding", aka "playing the game".

Also, it's not like you HAVE TO mantain disabled the experience chare forever, you can easily shorten grind sesions with that object but use it when not. Not to mention exp. share is very suboptimal for specialized training, which would not be an issue if the football minigame was still a thing.

I used to complain about this xp share for years, non-stop! LOL But working my job and being so busy, I actually have to appreciate it! I stand by the fact an on and off switch should've been added but.. I find it so damn convenient! XD

Basic Reading comprehension is hard to come by in General (well more so at twitter but still :P ). I never NEVER will understand why people are AGAINST options when it comes to entertainment.

And one of the things that makes the Exp Share so different nowadays is that experience isn't split evenly across all who gain it anymore. Even before it became forced from LGPE onwards, X and Y's revamps made it so that any Pokemon who directly participates in the battle gets 100% of the yield while anyone getting it through the Exp Share earns 50%. Even Gen I's Exp All system split the load amongst everyone in the party. And on the subject of grinding, I miss being able to earn EVs through Exp Share. It made things a lot easier if you've got multiple Pokemon that need a boost in the same stat.

Let's Go was lame, Sw/Sh was annoying. Bd/Sp are insulting. This is the THIRD time. But hey, maybe the 30$ Platinum Dlc (two separate Dlcs for both games of course) will allow you to just toggle a byte on and off.

Okay honestly, the perfect XP share to me is three toggle modes: On: Front mon gets 100%, back gets 50% (I also think this is in BDSP already) Lite: Front mon gets 100%, back gets 25% Off: Front gets 100% I like the XP share, I just feel it is too strong and the game isn't balanced around it, but this feels like the perfect lazy design work-around. Which like, lacking and easy fixes should be in character and should be present.

I don't think the people against a simple toggle option are the most bright out there.

It is a shame that they made TM's limited again too

My man coming back with FACTS and LOGIC

Fun fact the dev didn't pick most of shiny colors only til 3d models did they did Was just base on code so can't say they can't do shiny

Why can't they allow players to modify exp gain in settings, again? I feel like all of this discussion around exp share is ignoring that exp share is a roundabout method of fixing a core game design issue.

My main issue with modern exp share is ev training Sure i like the modern exp share when grinding for levels however when trying to ev train its horrible since evs getting passed along with exp in modern exp share i might as well not have any more pokemon until ik i can find pokemon to ev train off of Which as you state we shouldnt have to box our pokemon when it can be a option and was a option til they removed it and only give stupid reasons why

It would be also cool a option to still have the exp share on, but the exp is divided to the party with 50% exp Reduction compared to the pokemon that got the kill

I like the underground areas but apparently all monsters here are scaled up to your level, so they give shit ton of XP to entire party, and in order to not overlevel i need to ignore it until i beat elite four :(

I like the "better shiny" skins you uded

Looking forward to the first impressions video, personally I really love the game although I do wish they improved a couple things. Some E4/Gym Leaders like Flint and Volkner should've had their Platinum teams. Especially Flint because having him abuse Driftblim harder than Verlisify wasn't very fun. I would've also liked changes to the Safari zone, particularly the frustrating binoculars "minigame". Maybe making it a bit more like the HGSS Safari Zone. Oh and Traps missing in the Grand Underground sucked.

I want to go back to how it was in the old days, the experience share was an item

the perfect solution: gen 6 era experience share available plus pre gen 6 experience share available and the option to turn it off completely

Thanks for this video. In addition its worth remembering that EXP Share is more like an EXP Booster because unlike the old EXP share item that actually shared the same pool of EXP it just makes bonus EXP for every party member. Forced EXP share made this game a no buy for me.

Ive never had to grind in a pokemon game, ever, I dont understand what these people are trying to say. EXP share just makes my entire team obscenely overleveled

I really don't understand why they took away the optional side of it, I like the XP share because I'm more interested in playing to see the story than playing to beat everyone so the XP share makes the battles go by faster to get to the duologue, but I know some people don't like that so there should be the option to switch it off, you literally make no one mad by having more OPTIONS, that's what the game should be allowing you to make it fun but you start angering people when you restrict it

why did i get really excited to see the ranger in the battle???? i still miss them in swsh fghj

Darkrai with Ghetsis theme is something I never knew I needed in my life up until now! That gave me chills! :-D

What's up with games made on Unity these days? They are lazy to create their own game engine? Why would Pokémon gain Exp by doing nothing? It doesn't make any sense! You can't be strong by watching others battle! I hate games where you are supposed to play like the developer intended. Where is the fun?

Yooooo the platinum UI looks amazing

Then there’s also people who say “just box them” which ya that works but it’s just a bandaid for a problem that shouldn’t be there in the first place when it hasn’t been one in previous gens