For me it was a thing of back to the future 😂

E, me too

Me too A 11 year tech maniac that knows so many things about past, but doesnt know what is a firewire

@@vappyenjoyer24 wow, what a tech maniac you're

Until*

just because a person uses it dont make it not dead... i still got a tube TV that used in security systems does that make it current? i got an oldschool VHS LCD portable player does that make it current?

there's a big 2TB hard drive I know that runs on FireWire

Same

Me buying pc with firewire in 2021

My audio interface is FW too.

Operational Risk Management that was something they said was possible when USB was introduced but nobody ever did it.

Well, maybe you should... Go asses some risks or something orm related.

@@jmh1189 I bet that sounded better in your head eh?

@@thegreyspectre9838 nope, sounded exactly as is. Very plain. Typo on assess

Is there a way to daisychain USB-C?

yes indeed and they dont know the old firewire equipment, often build in Japan, is superior to their new USB China crap.

@@klaasj7808 not to mention the Made in Germany RME stuff I still use everyday; but Firewire cards are getting rare and very expensive;

@@SeventiesBerlin Digitus has a cheap pci express one.

@@klaasj7808 yes, but the problem is that most Firewire cards don't work with audio interfaces; only cards with Texas Instruments chip work; now I see on ebay Chinese cards with alleged TI chip, I'll give them a try, anyway I don't trust Chinese stuff on ebay, see the fake 512 GB memory cards;

Amy good names of equipment?

same here, im 24.

+Tin Tin I'm 16 and I have used it several times, especially for Target Disk mode and Audio Interfaces… So, it's not all the same

+muh1h1 It was mainly on high end PCs

***** maybe thats why

+muh1h1 I'm 23. I use it everyday. Most higher end Audio Interfaces for recording use Firewire. So it depends on what you use your computer. If you are a gamer or casual web surfer, you won't encounter it. But if you use your computer for commercial use, you'd expect to have a few devices laying around.

Thunderbolt does daisy-chaining. It was essentially designed to replace FireWire.

Try that with USB. A-Ha!

VCR vs Beta, blu ray vs hdDvd and countless others. It's just a matter of becoming the standard first, and that means market penetration. FW was superior, but that was because Apple was a peripheral heavy system because of their insistence on proprietary design. Extra HD storage mean external. PC world you added all the major data stuff internally, so external was printers, mice, kb and even CD drives could be low data via usb.

@@dragons_red Thats why you get it right the first time.

Trouble is, Apple held the patents, and they were demanding something like a $1 royalty for every FireWire port. That scared off the vendors, when USB was royalty-free.

@Ru Sa If you truly must know, I'm a mechanical engineer.

@Ru Sa Yes, part of the necessary requirements to be a mechanical engineer is to know how mechanical machinery works. In fact, as a mechanical engineer, my job is the design and engineering of machinery. Hence why I know a fair bit about machines.

RAID was there way before 2012.

@@Raison_d-etre I know

My mind went to Raid: Shadow Legends immediately after I saw the word "raid".

@@razi_man * pain *

ip over usb is a thing. Some external drives are just iscsi servers running ip over usb

@@ch4.hayabusa No, they're still just USB mass storage devices as anything else would add bottlenecks, unnecessary protocols and far more required configuration than just a simple USB storage

@@resneptacle I was going by what I saw of a Drobo...

And then you have IP over USB... WHY AT THE TIME OF WIFI6 DO YOU USE THAT

@@hugo94608 speed?

a n i m e n i m e

@@KokoroKatsura Touhou isn't anime

yeah i saw marine radio frequency lists!

in his UPS mod video he mentions his callsign

@d R touhou is a game

Chris Lackey they can’t connect to the other drives so they’re on a different server

Daily Dose of Memes : I have Macs and can connect to FireWire-800, USB-3, and Thunderbolt all at the same time or I can connect FireWire-400, FireWire800, and USB-2 on another Mac all at the same time. You can daisy chain both FireWires and Thunderbolt while also connecting separate USB devices and allow a computer or server to access all connected drives at once.

Chris Lackey yes but his drives or different and have no USB.

Because firewire and usb are totally two different things, one uses analog and digital signals, while the other just uses digital signals, which makes it imposible to connect them in parallel

Chris Lackey I know

It's more like FireWire and USB's child.

Video class was the only reason I bought a Firewire drive. I still had used it for a very long time but now 160GB isn't that much.

Firewire is still used in the audio industry, as it is more stable than USB.

FireWire 400 was able to maintain a constant 400Mbps throughput, whereas USB 2 was only able to attain 480 Mbps BURST rate. So FireWire 400 was still able to transfer larger quantities of data faster than USB 2. FireWire 800 then ruled the roost until the advent of USB 3. In the Mac world, Thunderbolt replaced FireWire as the fast medium of choice.

Well, the last MacBook made that supported FireWire was made in 2012, so I would consider that FireWire died then.

Yeah, but Apple refused to admit it.

@@rahb1 The thing with Thunderbolt and Firewire is that Thunderbolt is way more versitile in every way. And USB is going the same way unlike Firewire.

same. peer to peer would be very cool and I kinda want to try it.

Fire wire sounds like better tech to me lol

Now we have Thunderbolt 3 ;)

No we don't.

If it doesn't, then how does things like the Razer Core exist?

I'm from the year 2030 and we have USB 6.0 @ 1TB/s

Steven Tyler ooh yay!

Hassan Jalil I was looking for this comment. This channel and it’s backdrop is a thing of beauty.

@@StevieCooper Just don't be so TIGHT on wiring! Leave slack! My grandfather was an electrician and used to wire everything very tight, things move, houses, structures move, it's not elegant!

So... what's the name?

@@FudgeYeahLinusLAN FireWire

@@rdmoonie But what's the name?

@@Damian-cilr2 firewire

@@anormalyoutubechannel7807 what's the name of the LAN party? (someone please respond with FireWire to complete the daisy chaining lol)

It's intentional, this way it forces people to buy usb hubs which means more money for the industry.

That is correct. Paradigm shifted and now everything is designed by the marketing department for maximum profitability. Engineers' job is to implement their design specifications.

almost right but nooot quite. You were right to "follow the money" but the direction is wrong. The real money is in the devices and usb is almost all done on the processor with a few support components, FireWire on the other hand requires each device to have a chipset with a full network stack, in theory you could do things like sending a command to copy a file from one FireWire drive to another and have the two drives finish the transfer independent of the computer. However all that stuff required a big expensive specialized chipset where USB could get away with even a general purpose microcontroller of the day. FireWire lost because it was expensive and there was a "good enough" alternative. Apple eventually dumped FireWire from the iPod due to the physical size of the chipset and now the only real place you'll find FireWire is in old DV cameras other AV equipment. P.S. there were totally FireWire hubs, maybe 2, for when you needed to plug the 1 FireWire memory stick into your computer.

Sounds about right. There are cut down micro controller and micro development boards for USB that don't even have *real* usb support, they just use a tiny chip to bit bash the right usb 1.0 data, and you can pick them up for under $/£5. A firewire equivalent would be much, much more.

TechyBen The real shame is that IEEE1394c never got a chance, Firewire over Ethernet would have been great, imagine if that took off having a computer with 6 ethernet ports on the back.

Yeah, I get tons of recommendations for videos that I've either already watched, or I've previously marked as "Not Interested". It drives me nucking futs!

@@Luthiart did you seriously just swap 2 letters?

super*

*no but I don't have a choice*

only thing you use it if you not have apple lol

Yes! Before that you had to spew it in from a VCR all analog. It was quite a revelation when you could just plug up the camera, take control of it from the computer, and watch everything come over in lossless digital.

@@madmouseinjapan not lossless. DV is lossy. Think of it as some kind of MJPEG

@@nikitakipriyanov7260 You're right but ... well less lossy ... particularly between generations of tape. Analog tape just went off to grey tone with hints of color when you were about five generation in :D

@@madmouseinjapan in NTSC, two generations would be more accurately. Never The Same Color. PAL is better. DV also shows signs of tape wear, particularly horizontal stripes, in addition to its own compression artifacts, which aren't quite visible on "photorealistic" video, but quite visible on "CG".

What's Thunderbolt? Is it good?

+Isaac Adam thunderbolt was started by Intel it's like a second gen mini display port with a lot more capabilities such as data transfer and daisy chaining. It's rated up to 50gbps on thunderbolt 1.0

+Isaac Adam thunder bolt is a new standard developed by Apple and Intel. It has a whopping 40 gigabit speed look up more on it is awesome

Actually no. Thunderbolt and Firewire is totaly different types of interfaces. The connector looks kind of similar, but there the similarities end. Firewire is a network interface, and thunderbolt is a systemport. Thunderbolt is also the worst standard ever. They change everything for every new generation. And the interface is just a ripoff of DP, that is turn is a ripoff of HDMI. Using Thunderbolt to connect drives drives is horrible.. don´t even think about it. Also the system is very sensitive to system attack. The only thing you real can connect with any point to a Thunderbolt connector is a screen, and then it also totaly pointless because then a DP works just as good.. well actually better. (there is both daisy chain and hub capability of DP, but few screens support it, on the other hand, even fewer support TB). Worse is that if the screen is infected by a virus.. then you got it on your computer to. TB have total direct system access, there is nothing stoping a virus

+matsv201 Wow. Then I guess that Firewire and USB 3.0+ are more reliable than Thunderbolt.

"USB 2.0 hard drive to a USB 3.0 port and it'll be 50% faster." Please prove that in a video.

***** Just try it, it's not that hard to do.

thany3 I don't have any USB 2.0 drive anymore. So I can't.

I doubt this... USB 3.0 just adds a second channel for data if both the host and the client (and the cable, i suppose) support it. If they don't, it'll strictly adhere to the lowest common standard. So either the manufacturers got up to snuff with the 2.0 implementation in 3.0, or you'll get exactly the same speed as you got on a 2.0 port. I don't have a hard drive handy, but I'll check it out when I get back to my other computer. Edit: It's not that I don't wanna believe you. It's just that we're on the internet, where things like the waterproof iOS update happen.

***** It's just that USB 2.0 has always been prohibitively inefficient. And it was never meant for high-speed mass storage. At the time, that's what Firewire was for, even though it was not as widepread, to say the least. They fixed it with USB 3.0, that *does* deliver on promised bandwidth.

To one USB *bus*, maybe... Inside the PC, multiple USB ports are frequently part of the same bus. They could be root ports on the same USB controller, or they could be connected to hub that's built into the PC. My laptop has 9 USB devices built-in, on the bus, even when nothing else is connected to it. My keyboard has a hub in it, so it's actually two devices. Some of my USB hubs (with larger numbers of ports) are actually two devices as well (for instance a 7-port hub is frequently two 4-port hubs on the same board). The devices do add up, more quickly than you might think - though if someone actually does connect close to 127 devices on a USB 2 bus, it's probably not going to perform very well.

"To one USB bus, maybe..." "USB bus" Universal Serial Bus bus

bibasik7 - haha, old one :)

KZfaqrs uses it

Choke My Chicken me

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+AtariBorn Quite interesting how you commented to your self.

+cpcheats2003 OK

+cpcheats2003 Hey, it was either that or edit the comment. There's no getting around it.

+Angelo Velasco Yeah. Editing a comment via mobile is a joke.

You obviously have bad USB interfaces then. Try RME USB audio interfaces.

@@Mikebumpful you obviously are running only a stereo mix and not 85 tracks of vst's, im not talking about casual listening

You said, "moment" not "minute"!

@@js32096 There, changed it. (:

I laughed a lot harder than I should have it this

The problem with that is the fact that most enclosure's firmware only supports up to a certain size hard drive.

@@Kennephone Oh, I see. It sounds reasonable.

we shall put it in the "one day i might need it again" box.

+diego scar yeah that sucked much. Damaged Firewire chips on so many audio interfaces just because the were turned on while a pc was running. The hot plug issue was the biggest flaw in firewire audio interfaces.

+diego scar True, but most new interfaces are switching to thunderbolt since it shares the same benefits as firewire, with exponentially higher bandwith

+diego scar Let it go, man. I know, it's tough, but FW is dead and gone. I feel your pain, 'cause I have 32 channels of ADAT S-Mux interfaces with Firewire host connectivity. But, like many devices of that era, it has a horribly temperamental DICE chipset that promised a bazillion channels with zero-latency mixing and DSP, super stable internal clocks and bang-on PLL... While in reality, it mostly delivered endless driver headaches and host chipset compatibility issues.

lol@ dunstorm, you don't do real audio.

I love how these idiots, nick and Panos are clueless to what their problems actually were. I suggest learning how to use a computer, Windows drivers problems are not a part of the spec, and specific to windows. I still use a FW400. interface with better pre-s and a to D's than probably everyone in this thread. Holy shit why do people talk

Kristofer Smith I wish Linux had something like that :/ though booting from USB into a live environment solves most problems TDM would solve. Still, is awesomely cool!

***** Not on my 2009 MacBook Pro or any of my PowerBooks.

Kristofer Smith If you want to transfer data from your old MacBook or Powerbook to a newer Mac, use a thunderbolt to FireWire adapter.

Haikal Ghifari I'm never buying a new Mac. After my 09 17" dies or gets too old I'm going the Thinkpad route.

Kristofer Smith OK

probably because the Mac Mini he's using only has USB 2.0 ports anyway

@@GardevoirTrainer1 Still better off with a USB3 hub for future-proofing

you're just moving the bottleneck from the hub to the USB 2.0 port on the machine the hub is plugged into

because its obious, a HUB always be a bootleneck

@@GardevoirTrainer1 or install a designated server working as a SAN..... for a small thing its pretty darn usefull and cheaper do it yourself, or a NAS configuration its even more stable than a cascade of External Hardrives wired by a hub

Apple charged expensive royalties for it, (1$ per port on any given product without factoring the port and circutry itself is expensive) so no one but apple wanted to use it over royalty free USB if they didnt have to.

@@GibsonSwag ok?

@@GibsonSwag i have a 21.5 inch imac with 4 usb ports

lmao did he delete his comments

i think so

hehe

This is the third time I watch it.

@@Bark777 me2

thunderbolt already came out lol

Ikr

Well more like 2020

zekefleming1 He already made it, I think its called "tour of home network" or something like that.

AcrOfSpades no, that is his home network, not his radio.

Epic_Gamer_2000 The Best Gamer Ever Below his desk at the begging it shows it. If your a ham, you can spot one easily

***** no, it was usb because he was supporting firewire and not usb

Almost 400

No. Just people who noticed he got a usb 2.0 hub because usb 3.0 is faster than fire wire.

oOps, 418 USB ports

90000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 USB ports

I was thinking the same thing... I'm not even old enough to remember a computer with firewire support, although I saw miriad of devices with firewire ports (especially external sound-cards and AD-DA converters, but also some cameras).

+KohuGaly the HP elite book 2540p has a mini FireWire port if that counts which only came out in the early 2010s

wclifton 968 I know there are machines with firewire. I just never came across them. Perhaps it's a regional thing...

probably although I live in the UK

I've never seen a device or a cable with FireWire port. I only have PCI card with 5 of them laying somewhere.

+Nathaniel Beven Maybe he wants his network free for other bandwidth heavy tasks?

+Nathaniel Beven Not to mention they make multidisk raid enclosures that support firewire 800. Hell I found one on newegg in less than 5 minutes (ICY DOCK MB662USEB-2S-1 if "the 8 bit guy" is interested). Like scratch the those consumer external drives they sell at best buy and the apple store, and go build your own 6TB monster!

+Nathaniel Beven i have a naz drive

Your network doesn't get limited when you use your NAS device , unless utilizing very old 10MB ethernet or wi-fi b. Almost every network device is gigabit and/or wireless N (450Mbs) Hell, i run Photoshop and games off my NAS wirelessly without any problems and when doing so, my network is still response for everyone in my household. Again, i didnt spend "extra", those are the standards, if i did, id have wireless ac and have 1400 Mbs.

forget about the fastest interface to an external device available, listen to me, some fucking idiot, I'll tell you a NAS doesn't use network bandwidth (it does!) And just because your "workload" is so small you can't see how terrible you're setup is, it doesn't mean you should ever give advice.

yes, USB in general did work, but not generic USB mass storage devices. In '95 and '98 you still needed to install a vendor-supplied driver for each USB device that wanted to present itself as a storage volume (like, a camera acting as a SmartMedia card reader). From Win2000 onwards, *any* mass storage device would "just work" after plugging in.

@@widicamdotnet Indeed! In fact, Windows 95 Version "C" came with native USB support.

Official support for USB without requiring any OEM-related device drivers came in Windows 2000.

@@widicamdotnet no, in win 95 before osr2 you should install a generic driver for usb support. From win 95 osr2 until now, usb is natively supported.

8-Bit Guy was talking about mass-storage devices, not USB keyboards/mice.

Firewire had much more efficient use of bandwidth than USB.

Yeah, the only one time i saw a 1394 cable also with a camcorder about 10 years ago. There was no sight of USB 3 back then and i believe USB 2 would have been slow - 1394 was speedy for those times.

I captured all of my video 8 cassettes via FireWire with my old MacBook over the last weeks.

They are the devil's snakes... Banish the evil cables to the recycle bin and rejoice! Long Live USB! LOL

but still usb 3 has 5000mbps

can it daizy chain mr.SirTriubleSeeker?

and usb 3.1 have 10000mbps

he mentioned firewire can do 100 meters, so kinda like ethernet

Great, but when do you need 10.000mbps? That'a DVD movie in under 10s, why would we need that at home?

BL4CKF0X I have it in my i9 9900k setup, Texas Instruments chipset all the way

@waffeltek its quicker for audio buffing live music than usb or thunderbolt

Loooooser

@waffeltek Gay

Firewire was a proprietary apple connectr, so yeah, only a percentage of the percentage that is apple computer users actually used it.

No it wasn't, it was on a quite a few things. Also known as IEEE 1394.

years later I realized that weird IEEE 1394 thing was firewire, which I never bothered to connect from board to case

+Dale Robins Ah, didnt know that... Thanks for informing me :)

This is true but the fact is that it was only really used by Mac users. If you've never used a Mac in anger, the likelihood is that you will never have come across Firewire.

troo and with audio interfaces. if you want 8+ channels firewire is the way to go.

literally just had to pick up a 1394a pcie card to use my firepod with the new system i'm in the process of building. so harsh.

Yes, the way the data is sent on FireWire makes a big difference to the bandwidth.

I still use my MAudio ProFire 610 regularly. Hard to beat a good firewire audio interface.

Still with ProFire 2626, still works great. No official support for modern OSes, unfortunately.