The worst thing that could happen to them..the beard..

@@LoreReloaded We are Gillette. You will be assimilated. Your toxic masculinity will be added to our own. Shaving is futile.

@@jameswasil I find it funny that in about a year or so, no one's going to understand this post.

@@jameswasil Borg will be Borg...

@@jameswasil or ".... Growing a beard is futile."

JA, VE ARE BEING THE BJORG! YO VILL BEING ASSIMILATION! RESISTANCE IS HJOOOOG!

This. Usually he's one to try and keep going, to see him so desperate and helpless against the Borg is terrifying and they should have played that aspect to make the Borg more fearsome, too much plot armor makes for boring tv when you know the outcome can't be that bad for the good guys.

When I first saw that scene it legitimately made me sit down and think for a second. Frakes really delivered on the absolute desperation, and it's so un-Riker.

Yeah, I wouldn't blame that Riker and his crew if they wanted to abandon their own universe.

Makes you wonder if the Borg eventually spread out beyond the Milky Way galaxy and began assimilating other galaxies until they took over that entire universe.

..Mother of God..

Sure but can we at least agree to find a way to set it after puberty, I really don't feel like repeating that for eternity.

L Plunk It only works if your partner with you at the same time or you would have to deal with an O'Brian situation each time.

Yeah and you can use it to literally resurrect the dead and make copies of people if you take the events of other episodes seriously. The transporter would change the nature of human existence if it was used to it's full potential. The fact that they use it just to get around shows a serious lack of imagination.

That episode was Rascals from Season 6, and the only reason that happened was because of interference from a previously unknown energy field that was extremely deadly, not exactly something you'd want to go flying through on purpose. Thomas Riker was created by accident by more weird energy fields interfering with the transporter beam on a planet that's virtually uninhabitable, so again, not something the average person is going to want to experience. Apparently it's illegal to bring the dead back to life using the transporter, and the recriminations are pretty severe, worse than those for genetic tampering, plus there's no telling what kinds of side effects that would result in, so it's probably best to not even try.

It would not be a good day or year, agreed.

It is vary risky for the borg to do so, Delta powers like Krenim, Devore and even Voth hold their ground against the Borg, not necessarily because the any single one of them present a threat to the Borg, but that the demise of one would prompt an alliance among the others.

It is vary risky for the borg to do so, Delta powers like Krenim, Devore and even Voth hold their ground against the Borg, not necessarily because the any single one of them present a threat to the Borg, but that the demise of one would prompt an alliance among the others.

I question that as during the dominion war the klingons and romulans were unreliable allies at best plus good guys only really won due to bajoran prophets. Plus borg are way more powerful than the dominion.

The Borg send a fleet of ships to the Federation, Klingon, Romulan, and Cardassian home worlds through transwarp conduits, overrunning the local defenses and assimilating their populations almost immediately. None of this sending just one cube, but sending 25 or 50. Then they move in mass against the assembled fleets, adapting quickly to to weapons, shields, and cloaks, smashing the allied fleets in mere hours at most. Game over.

... Hah, I never even though of that..good catch.

Ah, Problem solved... except, Murphy's Law. ;-)

T'airn'KA don't forget Obrians law: Murphy was an optimist.

An no way would the Section 31 chuck away weapons such as the Genesis device. They would have surely use it to destroy earth before assimilation was underway.

David Knowles don't be rediculous. Section 31 would never destroy earth. No earth, no federation.

That was unsettling.

Yea, That's one of the reasons I left out the books because the borg have an 'auto-win' .. If they sent 60 cubes..that's game. As I said in the video, this assumes that they would act 'like a computer' only sending enough that the 'computer would think would be required for the task'.. thus their down fall. Again, The borg are written so that there's no complete way to win this..

Also, there’s no guarantee that they wouldn’t be dealing with 8472 at that time. If would take a while to get everyone on board with the alliance and even longer for them to destroy enough borg that they would actually consider the alliance a threat, if they would in fact see it that way. Also, by that point, the borg had probably set up mega complexes and had at least 60 cubes. I don’t see why that wouldn’t be possible with all the resources assimilated from earth and its close colonies, and possibly Vulcan and/or Andoria and/or tellar. I think that without voyager, the galaxy is f*cked because 8472 is going to destroy everyone. Or at least everyone in the delta quadrant because if voyager could stop them I gotta imagine enough of Starfleet would be left to counter them. But anyway.

@@LoreReloaded The problem I see with that theory, even discounting the books, is that it assumes that contact between quadrants wouldn't exist. The borg would assimilate what they could, and during the "status quo" period they would move populations around as needed, like a computer, optimizing their strategy in preparation for the next step. This would most likely include ramping up to face perceived threats from the other surrounding empires. But even if it didn't once an offensive alliance was pushing the Borg back the logical, computer, move would be to sacrifice many of the current ships in a stalling maneuver to get more data, while reinforcements came from elsewhere. If they appeared to be losing they would retreat with the data, leaving behind just enough ships to gather even more information while they prepared for a bigger offensive.

@@LoreReloaded zombie comment I know, but I have been watching your Borg stuff lately (and loving it), but I don't get why you keep using this line "think like a computer" seeming to mean that the Borg would never send enough to properly pacify and control a region. We know they devote only try resources they feel a problem needs to solve it, but wouldn't that imply that if the problem requires more resources they would send more? The lore seems to imply the Borg have controlled a large amount of territory for a long time and taken said territory from other races, I would think they would know how to respond to counter attacks.

@@Frosty7575 The only explanation I ever had, atleast at the time, was that they only did it based on what a comptuer would think. It was just 1's and 0's. It may not be that way but that was my 'in universe' attempt at an explanation - atleast.

Welcome to the channel! I had a lot of fun with Certifiably Ingame, so glad you came over ;) Yea, when i said war of attrition - I didn't necessarily think trenches or anything of that measure. I more was looking at World War 2 fighter engagements and the dominion war. You couldn't really entrench in one area (with out a base) as much as have fluid places that go back and forth. The Borg have always had numerical and technological dominance. The only reason they always lost is because of their 'logical' assessments. They only sent what they needed and didn't try to do more then what they believed necessary. It's why I excluded the books. In the books they sent thousands of cubes.. Which is all they would have to do. However, I think that would have been their downfall to. Once the borg was defeated on this side (assuming the one cube and no more) - we would have had the other races advance like Janeway did. The borg would have lost their advantage I think.. I'm open to being wrong on that though! Thanks for commenting, glad you like the channel ;)

+54m0h7 it's likely they already had the cloaking technology.. Remember ..several romulan outposts went missing

@@LoreReloaded And Klingon vessels had been assimilated as well (Unimatrix 0 had Klingons in them)

Indeed, and they were also thinking of inviting the romulans.. the klingons never made it to wolf 359 (I did a battle break down)

Lore Reloaded oh yeah that's true, i forgot about that thanks 4 the heads up

hey any time, i enjoy discussing lore ;)

Lore Reloaded no problem, sir 👍

It is truly a pity that canon did not have the Klingons arrive in time to participate. It would have been very interesting to see that, as like Starfleet losing nearly 40 ships, the Klingons losing all of theirs as well and the fact that we know that as a society geared to and bred for war, the impact of that kind of slaughter on all the major powers. The alliance between the Klingons and the Federation certainly would have been much harder to fracture, the Romulans may have entered into tentative talks considering they too lost outposts along the Neutral Zone like the Feds did. Cardassians would have behaved better and entered into trade talks to peacefully acquire the necessary resources to stabilize their empire. Who knows. That missing element, the Klingons that arrived too late, was always one of my favorite "what if?" scenarios. I know that the Klingons would have stood no chance like Starfleet did, but it would have looked upon as a mirror reflection of the Enterprise C's valiant but failed actions at Narendra III that solidified the honor of Starfleet and the Federation in the eyes of Klingons. So too the Klingon assistance, useless as it was, a brotherhood-in-arms would have been fantastically reinforced by their bravery.

I don't think they could adapt to it - They've shown no propensity to adapt to weapons of mass destruction. They've found ways to resist it, and I suppose they may - but the problem is that the borg aren't innovative. Voyager shows us that they simply assimilate the technology they need - they don't invent it. There is no defense from that radiation in the alpha quadrant and thus no resistance to assimilate. The borg could ultimately curb stomp, but they never do in canon. That's the problem with god-like entities in your fiction X_x

You are partly right. Borg resistance to weapons show they are innovative. How many times in TNG and others did we see how quickly they adapted to phaser fire and photon torpedoes? Even the first episode made that very obvious. They did not simply assimilate tech to resist phaser fire, they had to adapt which means innovation. Can they adapt to WMD's? Since we have never seen one in ST canon, other than Nemesis, we have no idea and cannot say they can or can't. The closest we see to Borg NOT being able to resist attack is species 8472. Secondly and thirdly, who says that there is no defense from thalan radiation in the alpha quadrant? If we are going strictly by movie, there was no mention that no one ever had found a way to block it. After all, it is a form of radiation and could surely be blocked by something. Additionally, even if the alpha quadrant ha no tech against it - Borg are from the Delta quadrant. Who knows what they have access to. As far as en masse attack, one can draw from Voyager episodes Scorpion that the Borg can and does send multiple ships to confront an enemy when needed.

Lore Reloaded in their war against Species 8472, the Borg were devising a WMD against the species that had the consequence of destroying entire star systems , but Janeway and Tuvok shot it down out of principle . Since the Borg are already familiar with such concepts, I find it difficult for them not to adapt to it. Also, the Borg have shown resistant to certain extremely hazardous radiation. Seven of Nine, despite having most of her implants removed, was resistant to a nebula's radiation when Voyager was passing through it in the episode "One". The radiation was so deadly the crew was dying from it just a few seconds after entering the nebula. I think the Borg would find a way to adapt to thalaron weapon eventually.

But would the Alpha Quadrant alliance allow them the time. Let presume for a minute they aren't stupid, they know the Borg will adapt to any weapon use, thus if Thaleron weapon is perfected then it likely the powers at be would be decide that all major Borg colonies and cubes need to struck all at once. It likely all of their ship yards would be put to use building enough ships to carry out such strikes all at once.

IF they could strike at once, that would counter Borg adaptation but... could they build that many weapons in time or without Borg finding out? As when they captured Picard, all it would take is one person with knowledge to be assimilated. Good thing we don't have to worry about it. Then again - going to one short story I read, would the great and noble Q allow it? Or the Organians? The Metrons? I wonder what the so called "giants" of the Alpha quadrant would do.

Oh. My. God. Why does this gem of a comment have so few upvotes?!

Dargonhuman they’re too young, maybe, to notice the reference

No! We won’t go back! The federation is gone the borg is everywhere!

Well.. There are two points to that.. First, Kinetic Weapons didn't seem to have any prevelance at the time of the attack. Infact, we saw the regression in DS9 and it was explained that this was a new borg tactic. To put it this way: How many people would have a Civil War Carbine versus a regular hand gun.. But let's say that they did have bullets.. I still am not convinced that they would be able to resist. Their ships would be destroyed. The Borg would have Air superiority and Transporter Technology.. I mean its all hypothetical and we don't have enough information if we're all being honest.. But it's an interesting idea. Yea, Enterprise liked to rewrite stuff as well. I mean, why didn't they mention that in TNG.. 'Hey, these guys seems a lot like the Enterprise encounter' - even if they didn't know it off the top their head, you would think people would be scouring to look into it.

People as 'smart' and advanced as 24th centruy humans would easily be able to adapt. Heck, if Picard was able to come to grips with 2 borg by using a holographic gun, they could easily replicate a powerful pneumatic weapon that flings a projectile. Hurling projectiles is something that is ancient. and harking back to DS9 there was an air gun that used transporter tech to assassinate people, so they knew it could be done.

The borg had devestated the Federation at every avenue. 39 out of 40 ships destroyed. 11,000 killed or assimilated. Mars defenses (of which several sources say were the 'last line of defense') easily destroyed - an after thought. The federation was not, at this time, a war era entity. They were caught completely unprepared (this is obvious by the tactics used at wolf 359). I sincerely doubt they would have been able to handle such a situation and even if they had, it wouldn't have been enough. Again, you're talking ancient tech in comparison to modern design. Would some of it exist? Yea.. But I doubt they would have been organized enough or started with that as Plan A.

There are billions of people on earth. Billions of people to resist. I didn't say earth wouldn't fall.. but a week? that just isn't logistically possible.

Again, Transporter Technology, the mathematics of how assimilation would exponentially increase the time.. I actually research this stuff. I didn't just randomly come up with numbers. The estimates ran as quickly as about 48 hours (which I would agree with you seems unrealsitic) up to a month - the month giving worst case conditions for the borg and an assimilation of only one person per borg per day. Star Trek has, at times, been more about story then logic or science. This would be one of those times given the vagueness and power equivalancy of the borg.

#cuethesong

sure?

The episode was called Parallels Season 7 Episode 11

So there are a couple of things. First, the information I got was from original resources, I didn't just make that up. Also, It's hard to imagine but Starfleet was not what we would think of a military organization. Or even Pseudo-Military organization. TNG and Early DS9 went out of their way to point out how they were all about science and not a fighting force. They thrived because when they wanted to be the baddest on the group - they could. They could use those resources.. but they never did. So would they have thousands of ships in starfleet? Sure. Any that could actually fight something like the borg? Not so sure.. I'm open to being wrong on that point. If you're bored or want another discussion, I recently did a video on how Starfleet was militarized after the dominion war.. Would love your thoughts.

I am not saying you do just make stuff up. It is just a wild inconsistency, with what Star Trek is and what logically would and should be, that Star Trek is occasionally derided for. Concepts in Sci-Fi that if you have a few hundred stars to your civilizations name you are going to have more than enough resources to field several hundred ships. Another thing is Starfleet is in reality the NAVY of the UFP. The "UFP Navy" not unlike the "US Navy".. They may have an overarching mandate to exploration and science, which does not make much sense for the NAVY to do this for Research and discovery's sake, but they are the Unified Military of the UFP. Over time it has been obvious this is a very FORCED way of Star Trek to look at Starfleet. Instead of an idealized military force, Star Trek has literally lied to itself in order be a "formalized adventurers club". TOS treated Starfleet more along these lines, an imperfect idealized military but much better. Where the tools of Diplomacy are ranked at least as highly as firepower and staying power. Moving on to TNG, this should have been more on display, beyond the Enterprise having more and more powerful weapons, but a stronger sense of Starfleet being a stronger force, but not one of for bloody and glory, as most fear when talking about a more military Starfleet. As I said before, I would buy those 39 ships being the only starships that could get to Wolf 359 in time. But the Federation was big enough to field so many ships that it would easily swamp on Borg Cube, even eventually wreck or destroy it. That would not gut Starfleet. But it would be one of the darkest days in Starfleet, where they nearly lost it all. I saw the video you are talking about. I had simply commented her first. I was really commenting on how force strength and the representation of it is just way off in "The Best of Both Worlds, Part 2" . But then Star Trek has been way off this point for a long time.

So I think that Star Trek can, at times, move at the speed of plot. There are several inconsistencies that you see in TNG and DS9. And several more if you compare TNG to DS9 to VOY. They don't use money, unless they need it. Warp can get you there in the nick of time, unless it can't. This video was one of my earlier ones so I am honestly not to tied to it being the only forces they had. I do think that this defeat would signal the end of the federation as I put it - the rest of the forces would be scattered and would retreat/regroup in other forms. Star Trek is a great series, they do a lot right..but like anything, they can have issues.

@Lore Reloaded It may be that they had other forces, but it didn't matter because there was no way they could arrive in time. By time they got to Earth, the planet would already be assimilated and the Borg would have had a foothold. Then the remaining federation forces would have a lot more than just one cube to worry about. It would be a suicide mission. So they would retreat/regroup as you say. There would be no point in even going to Earth. It would just be a quick way for them to get their ships destroyed. Although I think Admiral Hansen was an idiot. They know their weapons are useless, so they decide to fight a conventional war against the Borg cube. What the hell was that supposed to do? Why not beam some photon torpedos aboard the Borg cube and detonate them? If the Borg block the transporters, use warp coils like those terrorists did. That messes up your DNA, but photon torpedoes don't have DNA. You can send hundreds of them to the Borg vessel all at once. Or you can evacuate a bunch of ships and set the computer to send the ships on a collision course with the Borg cube at maximum warp. Do it with 10 or 20 ships all at once. Let's see them adapt to that. But the important thing is hit them hard and don't give them a chance to adapt to whatever you throw at them.

I've been reading through a lot of these discussions about tactics and numbers and weapons, and what everyone keeps forgetting is the Borg already had Locutus, i.e. all of Picard's vast knowledge and experience of Starfleet ships, weapons, tactics, etc. by the time Hanson assembled his fleet. Starfleet could have had thousands of ships at Wolf 359 and still lost because the Borg had already used Picard's knowledge to adapt to anything the Fleet could throw at them at that time.

...not as scary.. I'll admit.

'Perhaps today IS a good day to die!...Prepare for RAMMING SPEED!'

@@stanleyjedrzejczyk2966 Actually it almost happened twice (assuming Worf was planning on taking the Defiant to warp and not high impulse). Remember this conversation from BOBW: Mr. Crusher, set course for the Borg cube. *Scene changes to Data trying to communicate with Picard and then goes back to the Bridge* Mr. Crusher, prepare to go to Warp power *everyone on the Bridge suddenly looks uneasy*

That's what happened in star wars...

That’s what happens when you watch Star Track

I think after the fight with the borg, they would be far to drained to - honestly. A prolonged fight with the Klingon and the remaining federation fleets would not be worth it..

It would be costly, but they'd never have a better opportunity to grab territory. I think the Cardassians and and Romulans would have an amicable split. The Klingons might be afraid of such an alliance between such like minded races and their combined might.

Except that the Federation fleets having all been annihilated in the fall of the Federation, are not a factor. There might be some survivors but like the French that fought in the Allied armies in WW2, they were more ornamental than an actual full fledged faction in the war.

@@TheProtronic Cardassians and Romulans are not like-minded.

*Borg Cude comes out of nowhere right outside your homeworld* "Oh shi-"

I know this is a little late but I think you're wrong. assimilation would take place at a geometric rate. You have one drone assimilated that drone then assimilates another and then those two drones assimilate two more now you have four each drone assimilates one more person now you have eight then 16 then 32 then 64 until eventually you have a million drones and now you have two million drones it'll be geometric. board drones may also put mantle probes into the food supply or the water.

I try, don't always succeed.

There are several sources that have stated that this was the bulk of the Federation Fleet. Starfleet didn't have 'thousands' of ships with in its ranks at this point and time. There is a difference between ships that are equipped for battle, and ships over all. For instance, the United States has far more ships that sail in and out of it, then it does warships.

Todd Ballard What does that have to do with the "weakness" of the books?

Thousands of vessels but whenever something goes wrong, the Enterprise is "the only ship in the quadrant."

Well what about the Breen? No Blood for them to infect. Imagine a Breen/Tholian alliance and how hard that would be for the borg to defeat. Worse yet, Imagine Assimilated Breen/Tholian technology and how scary that would be..

If the borg couldn't assimilate the Breen or the Tholians they would probably leave them alone unless they thought they were a treat. If they wanted a sample of their technology they could capture a ship, kill the crew and keep the ship.

I think the answer to that question is how the Borg assimilate technology. The materials used to build ships, colonies, etc. aren't biological and the Borg assimilate that just fine. We've seen Drones inject tubules into consoles and technology and it immediately begins to be assimilated. Given the vastness of The Collective, plus the innumerable amount of species already incorporated, it's unlikely assimilation is a "one-size-fits-all" process.

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!!

The problem i always had with the borg ( even they are by far the best villans ever created ) is that the writers give them invincibility with the adaptacion ability... i mean no matter what you throw at them they will simply adapt...wich makes me wonder why the hell didnt they conquer all the Delta quadrant to begin with.

+Doar Eu I guess they don’t adapt to plot armor.

Brian Gervais The bulk of their defensive fleet.

The Borg cube attacked without warning and traversed Federation space so fast that the 39 ships was all that could be assembled in time. The Federation has a big fleet, but it;s dispersed, and not on a war footing. During the Dominion War the Federation is "mobilised", it also pulls forces from elsewhere, plus, many of the ships are thrown together from the components available, hence you got some pretty weird non-standard classes, built out of standardises components Not only do the Borg have transwarp gates, all the evidenc eis that they are capable of much higher warp speeds, since the limit on speed is really power.

Didn't Adm Hanson say it was everything that could be called inside range? I've been a fan since TOS and TNG, and 39 military grade vessels to defend and police that much territory seems rather small.

they fielded much more than a thousand they had several battles with losses in the high hundreds the combined losses of the enemy was 30,000 according to memory alpha so I assume the Federation lost thousands while still being able to field thousands. The Borg in part is to blame, after this attack the Federation kicked into overdrive went from being inferior to the Romulans to about equal in weapons and shields in 7 years not to mention once the Federation got desperate the bulk of the fleet was old ships they took out of mothballs and ships they conjoined together with mass produced pieces take the Centaur class that parts from the Miranda and Excelsior just stuck together these were ships to literally be cannon fodder for the more powerful ships hence why in DS9 every other second there's a Miranda exploding, took fire away from the galaxy's and defiant

www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/174.htm www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/175.htm memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Wolf_359 @Will Winters I found the transcripts for the two episodes, Best of Both Worlds I and II, and have everything said by Admiral Hanson. Let's see what he actually said and try to make sense of it. I've located any text potentially related. HANSON: The truth is, hell, we are not ready. We've known they were coming for over a year. We've thrown every resource we have into this, but still HANSON: Commander Shelby took over Borg tactical analysis six months ago. I've learned to give her a wide latitude when I want to get things done. That's how I intend to operate here. HANSON: We expected much more lead time. Your encounter with the Borg was over seven thousand light years away. HANSON [on monitor]: At nineteen hundred hours yesterday, the USS Lalo departed Zeta Alpha Two on a freight run to Sentinel Minor Four. At twenty two hundred hours and twelve minutes, a distress signal was received at Starbase one five seven. The Lalo reported contact with an alien vessel described as cube shaped. The distress signal ended abruptly, and she's not been heard from since. HANSON [on monitor]: We're coming with every available starship to assist, Captain, but the closest help is six days away. HANSON [on monitor]: We're moving to intercept at Wolf three five nine. We'll make our stand there. How much longer can you maintain pursuit? HANSON [on monitor]: Your engagements have given us valuable time. We've mobilised a fleet of forty starships at Wolf three five nine, and that's just for starters. The Klingons are sending warships. Hell, we've even thought about opening communications with the Romulans. HANSON [on monitor]: In less than twenty four hours, this armada's going to hit that Borg vessel with everything we can muster. Either they survive or we do. As for Picard. A great man has been lost. Your Captain. My friend. Commander Riker, I hereby promote you to the field commission of Captain. The Enterprise is your ship now. Congratulations. I wish the circumstances were different. SHELBY: We'll have the fleet back up in less than a year. I imagine you'll get your choice of any Starfleet command, sir. So we have everything said by Hanson related to the ships or the battle plus a statement by Shelby. There isn't much to go on except that there are 40 ships and that they were the only ships available. In the episode, the drumhead, it's mentioned that 39 vessels were lost. Does that mean that 40 is a round number or that one survived? Can't say. But I don't think anything in the episode tells us how many ships starfleet has as a whole. We only know how many ships could be deployed at this particular time and place for reasons not specifically mentioned. And that it would take a year to replace them. But I agree with you that 40 ships sounds like a really small number. Especially in light of the numbers shown onscreen and mentioned during the Dominion war. They specifically mention 10 fleets of ships on DS9 and the seventh fleet had 112 ships. Then Sisko had a group of ships from three fleets that had 600 ships. That means about 200 each. And that may have only been a portion of the ships from each of those fleets. Perhaps the rest were performing other duties. Unfortunately, the show tends to be very vague on this subject. And we have no way of knowing how the numbers changed from TNG to the Dominion wars after a massive military buildup.

Just think about how much energy is imparted when an object of nearly any mass is propelled to many times the speed of light. Simply ramming crappy ships into things would create larger forces than any weapons in the ST universe. A ship going warp 9 would have many times the power needed to obliterate an entire planet let alone a borg cube. KE = 1/2MV^2

craigmak One major flaw of that is in a misunderstanding of how the warp drive actually works. The actual speed of the vessel is always sub-luminal even at warp 9, its just the warp bubble contracts and expands space. So if one were to successfully impact another vessel, they'd both be within the same warp bubble and hence impact with as much energy as their relative actual velocity would entail. I'd be more worried about the radiation and tidal forces from passing into the bubble, whose leading edge should be something akin to a black hole at any warp factor greater than or equal to 1.

Wrap drive is warping space time. So a starship at warp 8 can actually be stationary in flat space time.However it is true about antimatter weapons, an antimatter warhead would be massively powerful. However antimatter is very dangerous to store. And in combat situations is a dangerous liability. Many battleships in our wars were ultimately not destroyed by being pounded by enemy fire but by their own munition magazines exploding. A transporter based weapon is useless, as the transporters do not work on any ship with force shield.

In the begging the Borg are not that spupid, their ship is stated to have "Multiple redundant systems" and can regenerate rapidly and keep being fully operational at only 40% mass when introduced. Later on we see Cubes bklowing up and being disabled by literally nothing such as nebulas and etc... This was done to make them a "regular" enemy and not a super-powered hard to defeat one.

I don't agree with your analysis necessarily. I can't see why they would skip planets and go after ships. Their entire purpose is to assimilate civilizations - not destroy ships.

Maybe.. I agree its something I should have considered..the more the borg were present..the more ingenuity we saw with in the alpha powers.

I have no issues. However I'm not a Trekkie, though Klingon is on my list of languages to learn, along with Gaelic, Japanese, and Latin.

If you like this... You should check out my dominion war series and a militarized Starfleet. Many have pointed out that the Borg could nullify cloaking technology pretty quickly and I agree...any advantage would be short term only ag best with cloaks..

I'll try to remember that for next time.

Probably because those outcomes are boring and there wouldn’t be much of a video

That does seem like something the Romulans or cardassians would do..

Literally. :)

Imperium of Mankind: "Do you need to borrow some Exterminatus?"

The federation has technology to resist the borg, infact even defeat them. So I think that the conversation may be that they would want to assimilate them for that purpose. Sure the Borg can win, but not with out a fight. Also, The federation would be the choice of the alpha quadrant being the largest power with the most resources. I agree, that the borg attacking the federation at all may be dubious. You bring up good points.. However, I think you may be able to give the weakest of handwave why they might want to. Ultimately in TNG/DS9/ Movies they may have made the borg to powerful..where as in voyager..they made the borg to weak.

They wanted to assimilate humans for the way they adapted to things and a range of other reasons.

They have known this since the Hansen's how dangerous the Federation can be, if two exobiologists could design technology that could make ships invisible to the borg, what could the whole federation do. So it make even less sense that they sent only one vessel to do the job.

It's hinted that, prior to Q Who? there has been some unrest along the Romulan Neutral Zone with colonies on both sides of the Zone going quiet and/or disappearing, and that the scooped up colony in Best of Both Worlds 1 is reminiscent of those incidents. The unofficial conclusion is that there was a Borg scout ship cruising through the Neutral Zone and grabbing up the colonies for assimilation to learn about the Federation. Timeline-wise, the Borg likely only sent that scout so far from Borg space in the first place because of the Hansons (not the 90's pop group...), an event which Q would have been aware of by the time of Q Who?, which is why he tried to warn the Enterprise about the Borg in System J25. That event, though, piqued the Borg's interest in the Federation and Earth since it appeared to the Borg that Starfleet must have been testing some new propulsion drive in order to go 7,000 light years so fast. It's entirely likely that the alleged scout ship that was haunting the Neutral Zone is the same ship that was sent to Wolf 359 and Earth, given how fast it appeared in Federation space, there was only one ship and the colonies along the Zone stopped disappearing (or at least, the reports of them disappearing were no longer mentioned).

The Hansens also knew of the Borg existence in 2354 decades before Enterprise encounter. An Borg scout ships were operating pretty close into and around Romulan and Federation space. There more than enough evidence that the Federation/starfleet knew of the Borg existence long before Q introduce the Enterprise D. I suspect he did that because he knew the knowledge of the Borg should no longer be suppress within the Federation and that Picard would see to it that it wasn't. That was Q helping us out, he knew that Borg cube was on it way to invade the Federation and not simply passing through on the outskirts this time. An for what ever reason Q continuum ban Qs from directly interfering with the Borg, so this was Q skirting around the rules. My personal theory is that Lily Sloane created Section 31 in part to suppress the knowledge of the Borg. She knew there would have to people in the future willing to make decisions that people like Picard shouldn't and couldn't have to make. They also shouldn't have to live with the knowledge that their a species out there that they would have no way of fighting if they were to attack in force and the best way to avoid that is not to have people go looking for them. Cochran ever talked about the Borg was when he was drunk, so someone kept him quite, not the easiest thing to do. An you can't keep events like the Borg secret without some sort of organisation. It also explain why there wasn't any log of Captain Archer and NX Enterprise fight with the Borg. Well I think that is a better origin story than the one produce for Star trek Control. We also know that the Borg were operating on the out skirts of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants because Enterprise encountered that rogue drone "I, Borg" in the Argolis Cluster.

Yea, that was the problem with the Borg. They were, at this stage, far to powerful. That's one of the reasons I think they worked like a computer. One cube was all they needed and they let that run its course.. until they were defeated.. Now they didn't swarm after that, which is an.. interesting..decision

well really they didn't need to conquer and assimilate the alpha quadrant even with the cubes destroyed they still acquired a bunch of knowledge and tech from federation each time, the loss of the cubes was to the borg irrelevant

think of the borg like fishermen, they dont want to destroy all the fish or they not be able to get more next season, the borg were interested in tech not conquest, keep sending a cube every now and them to acquire new technology until the federation no longer produces anything of worth then and only then would they assimilate the federation only when the biological components are all that left to take

To the Borg, the federation are a psychological curiosity, not a technological priority.

exactly why they just keep sending one cube instead of a fleet not a priority

Six months seems very very slow to me, especially given how fast we see them assimilate in future episodes.

It's more about having a variety of weapons, since the Borg would adapt to kinetic weapons after losing a dozen or so drones. Those personal shields their drones carry could probably adapt to generate forcefields.

I would have thought the armor would protect against it. We know they developed conventional weapons to fight the borg in DS9 (Ezri used a sniper rifle that utilized ballistic technology). However, I would think the borg would adapt to this as well.

Nice little fallacy there. Thanks for the comment. :)

Lore Reloaded ah, shit. there goes my A+ in debate. but now I have two bad signs. is that still a fallacy?

Indeed. Multiple now.

Max Johnson Yes, but in LR's defense the word sounds like it should be spelled that way.

And Premeire doesn't have a spell check and I was working on putting multiple assets together including animating multiple maps. I'm not losing sleep if he doesn't like my content. To each their own ;)

Didn't Picard do exactly this though? Pretty sure he unloaded a whole barrel of ammo into two poor Borg in the movie

It would slow ... them down to sub-light speed . . . but they still would come. But you have a great point. The Omega Molecule is a great defensive and offensive weapon, just trap planets in flat space, or build a sphere shell, that would halt warp travel for say half a light year egg shell. It still could be passed through if needed, but would take time and slow down any large scale invasion.

It would be a weapon of last resort. Basically the only way to leave the area would be by wormhole making Bajor the most important place in the Galaxy. The Gamma Quadrent was free of the Borg but then you had to deal with the Dominion.

Yea, Four months seems way to long given how fast assimilation can have and because of exponential mathematics. I've seen estimates as low as 24 hours to one month. Based on fan theories I saw, I felt one week was pretty reasonable.

Remember as the borg assimilate, those assimilators assimmilate more people which then assimilate even more and so on.. Combined that with strategic placement and high technology, 8 billiion does not become a large number.

A minor setback for the Borg.

hopefully

Yea, as I stated in the video.. I wasn't going to entertain this specific theory in lieu of assuming everything is as it appeared. It's hard to justify this move by the borg with out the 'farming' theory. I think it makes more sense that the Borg use the borg to gain better technology and farm them every few decades. But for what I was attempting in this video.. was just 'Borg actually intended to assimilate earth'. I don't hate your justification though.. Maybe worth a video..