to be fair Michael Eddington BETRAYED THE UNIFORM

I know. Trust me I'm not against Sisko. In fact he's my favorite captain.

Sisko might be more common than we give him credit for. We tend to see hero ships with hero captains, but how many Star Fleet Captains have been on screen total? Definitely less than 100 right, I'm guessing less than 50? Among them, Sisko, Ransom, and Maxwell were all brutually effective, and they make up probably 6-10% of the Captains we've seen, and that's before I unilaterally make Axanar canon and dare you to stop me.

@@thomasconnors4338 sisko a great captain and it sad the defient class was not used for borg fighting like sisko intended but it got it golden hour with dominion war. i have no problem with Axanar but only seen trailer looks cool

FYI it’s Garak

1 senator, and his CREW... The latnum bribe to Quark, the clothes aswell... The holosmith, whatever Sisko paid for the holosmiths release, Biomed gel, the clothes Garak was working on when Sisko snaps... ect. So Yeah... Not so cheap but still worth it...

@@MLBeaton compared to the entire alpha quadrant? A steal

@@striker8961 quark was right, everyone has a price. What he couldn't fathom is how good of a businessman sisko was to get the best deal of it ...

@@Andrew12217 never spend more for an acquisition than you have to

I get the reference!

This reminds me of a scene in the movie "Fury," when Brad Pitts character forces that one military clerk to kill that enemy soldier that they captured.

Is that from Clear and Present Danger?

whats that from?

@Razgriz the Mandalorian But they felt clean. And do you why, Major? Because they were clean.

I agree, he just asked Sisko a simple question. Does Sisko want to save himself, his family, SF and perhaps Everyone enough that he'll do whatever must be done. And see it through to the end to turn things around when the opposite choice is slavery and or death for all of 2 Quadrants of space.. Then Sisko was left to make a choice. The likes of Spock, Tuvoc, Janeway... an perhaps under such desperation even Picard woulda logically concluded what went down in the episode was for the best. ESPECIALLY since the bad was overshadowed by good in the end and it all worked out.. an he NEVER needed do such a thing ever again

Thereby proving Quark right as well. Hoomans are all nice and cuddly....when they're happy and their bellies are full. Push 'em a bit...and they start taking trophies.

Absolutely agree. Even Quark mentions how humans are actually quite brutal behind the federation veneer in their time travel episode I think. His observation is quite apt. Having humans change that much for the better in only a few 100 years is improbable. Take away our creature comforts and we're still the same brutal race, a fact that Sisko embodies perfectly

@@ladythalia227 "A savage, child race" if I remember the quote accurately, neh? But we still have potential. Too bad we're not seeing much of that IRL, at least at the moment.

Romulan Senators disappear all the time it's typical in a society who prizes secrecy and deception, and the criminal was slated for death by Gowron. Nobody was going to miss them.

@@JRGProjects The best part is they established that the criminal totally deserved it too. He wasn't someone who ran afoul of some Klingon rule or scammed them, he's the kind of guy who tries to manhandle a woman in a bar and then stabs the bartender for intervening. The actor also did an outstanding job of being slimey AF, too. The guy only had like 5 scenes in one episode and I remember just about everything about the way he acted and talked. He just OOZED scumbag.

JRGProjects ironic since he’s the same actor who played Gowron.

Very true federation ideals were wildly out of sync with the galaxy they were in. Sisko needed the dose of reality.

By far my favorite Star Trek episode. Yes, a horrible ethical dilemma. But this episode perfectly lays bare the nastiness of war. You can’t be ethical with high ideals in a war. Well at least you can’t do it and survive. Especially when the enemy has absolutely no problem with violating your ethics or ideals.

TheRanblingjohnny, One of the best openings from that series. Aldo a hill of a good point.

And I bet most Jem'adar knew Odo was there, and would be very reluctant to fire at it and risking his life.

You forget the founders tried to wipe out the whole system when they had bashir abducted. So i doubt its good head cannon

Caleb Garrett yeah, and how does that make it “bad head canon” all that means is they reached the limit of thier patience. They also attacked the station directly, and captured it; while Odo was on board, and I’m pretty sure some Jem’hadar tried to kill him there too. Then one or 2 scenes later starfleet retreats and the dominion have taken the station.

@@juliankirby9880 i dont know about that since the founders tried to get the star to supernova before war ever happened, it marked the start of the kilmar accords and the klingon alliance. Before that the federation didnt attack the dominion just defended and the seige warfare was costing the federation the war.

@@juliankirby9880 and i cant think of any episode that the jim hadar tried to kill odo

Yeah, that bit of the Romulans siding with the Dominion like in the earlier part of the episode never made sense to me either. Sure it makes sense for them to stay out of the early stages to let all sides wear themselves down, but surely they must want either a stalemate or a total Dominion defeat.

You're right of course. The Founders have an unrelenting drive to subjugate every solid they meet because "what you can control can't hurt you" said that female changling commanding the Alpha Quadrant Dominion forces.

@ 0utc4st1985 I believe it to be Romulan arrogance. Most likely they believe they can just hammer out an agreement with the founders like they did with the federation. A bit irrational and illogical but not that much of an inconsistency of how Romulus is portrayed. Waiting in the shadows for the right moment to strike. It is true that Romulus would have to do something against the founders sooner or later, however, they didn't have to do anything right then at that moment. Romulans getting involved asap is in the interest of the federation and Sisko, not necessarily a necessity for the Romulans to survive. Maybe they planned to secretely arm themselves, wait the war of atrition between the federation/klingon alliance and the dominion out, to then conquer the whole quadrant for themselves.

Heroes often have to be Blackmailed into action. Those who Blackmail them? Also Heroes. Just SILENT ones.

The truth is both the Cardi's and Romulans. Were slated for extermination by the founders. The second they set out to bomb the Omarion nebula.

True. All that said, Sisko would rather not be dark. He'd rather being chilling on Bajor with Cassidy Yates. Reality just wouldn't let him be the kicked back type of guy he wanted to be.

Yup, like when he was going after Edington.

Its kind of surpising that section 31 hasn't tried to recurit him, think about it, he already got everything required to be a spy, he also an outcast among his own people, he a bit of a puppet master, if anything, he the most dangerous man on DS9, despite appearances.

@@superomegaprimemk2 he was still the protege of enabran tain

Garak tells Sisko that everyone he contacted was killed within 26 hours, and then literally the next sentence tells Sisko to lie to Vreenak about how they came into possession of the data, "tell him ten good men died bringing it across the lines." He's so masterful that he can tell you his methods and then use them on you without you realizing it. Garak had this planned for awhile and was waiting for a good time to put it into motion. That's why his first interaction after being recruited was to kibosh Sisko's plan and suggest a new one.

He is INDEED what the Alpha AND Beta Quadrants needed. Imagine the humongous mistake it would've been if the Romulans actually went from a non-agression treaty to a full blown alliance with the Dominion? How horribly that would backfire on them? Worse part of it all, Romulans are so assuredly arrogant and so short-sighted in their ambitions, they'd probably believe they can just scheme and manipulate the Founders when the war was over. *They had clearly grown delusional after years of dealing with the Federation.* In more ways than one, Garak saved their precious Romulan Star Empire. For even though no plans to invade Romulus had been made YET, who's to say they wouldn't be made in the future? *The Tal Shiar participated on the bombing of the Founders' homeworld. And the Dominion would never forget that.*

Damn you didn't have to come at him like that!

What an insult. That's just uncalled for.

I mean god damn that was intense.

Well there is a problem in each sides. Federation is more diplomatic but inexperience. Klingons are too gungho Romulans do not want to share information, and show they have certain weaknesses. The war was poorly conducted. They had separate fleets, rather than using their advantage to negate the disadvantage of their colleagues. If it was conducted properly, Klingons bird of prey should protect Romulan war birds. ROmulan war birds should be cloaked to protect Federation ships from the Breen. Heck they should draw out the Breen so ROmulans can get in position to destroy them.

Especially since I think he played Liberace in a made-for-TV biopic too

Ah Dirty Harry, that was one awesome movie.

@@sid2112 Shame Clint Eastwood never made a guest appearance on Star Trek, at least as far as I am personally aware. Would've been cool to see the two of them interact on screen together again.

They are restricted by a few things, including range and inability to read certain species. Since both the Jem'hadar and the Vorta are engineered species I wouldn't be surprised if being telepath proof was a priority, at least for the Vorta since they lead while the Jem'Hadar mostly just take orders.

Plus as a species they are rather soft and too kind for their own good. They never use their ability to gain much of an advantage and don't try to hurt anyone with it. Just imagine the Mirror Universe of a species with their latent ability. I think the TNG book went into that concept a bit with Troi.

Every Betazoid on the planet: "Captain, I'm sensing... Boss music???"

they sense feelings, not the future.

@@jenshep1720 Telepathic, not clairvoyant in other words.

Like what happened to the Terran empire

@@thomasalvarez6456 Kinda.

Cisco? Garek? lol.

so glad I'm not the only person who noticed this and cringed.

Irrespective would be the correct format

Just because it's horrible nonsense, doesn't mean it's not a word. Have you met the English language? 😬 Here let me unpeel that banana for you. Oh wait you already peeled it? 😂 Man I love hate this language.

I had to pause the video and recover after that assault on my ears.

Irregardless is actually a word in the English language. It means exactly the same thing as regardless.

It could be written now.

DS9 was my least favorite. It was the least Star Trek of the old star Trek. But in this , this one of the greatest of all star trek episode. Star Trek is about thinking. Something the new Star trek lacks. They are after Wow. They new star trek did an episode that used the work of the classic TOS. The introduction of the Romulans. YOunger fans would get interested to seeing why TOS was so good. Of all the Star Trek aliens, I like the Romulans better. As a villain, they are more complex. No matter how much culture they add, they are just about war. Romulans are more human like.

*The Borg would be on-sight with EVERYBODY.* The war might have to be halted!

Its a word, you only make yourself look silly :)

@@LoreReloaded Only according to some dictionaries, not all. And even then it's always labeled “nonstandard” or “disputed." *Regardless* , when people use 'irregardless' it just makes them appear like a) their preoccupied with coming across as intelligent but aren't actually that well read. or... b) Are just a contrarian nerd that wants to start spats in their comment section ;p But you were neevveerr do that would you lore? Nuh-uh. That's not your style one bbiitt. I see through your games you tricky bear~ What's my prize?

@@LoreReloaded It's*

@@LoreReloaded Please stop being so sensitive. It's not a word.

Most of war can be calculated. That is well proven by the fact that Japan’s superior warrior ethic could not stand up to American industry. Even the occasional Sgt York or Dan Daily can be mathed in if you accurately account for subtler factors and can find a way to get extra men and artillery in situations where one of them might make a difference.

Exactly. You can't predict a war by demographics

@@thomasconnors4338 yes in a protracted conflict yes but in the cases of nested war which these days war can easily evolve into such an invading force can find it hard to find measurable victory because your fighting for someone's home. Trust me dude I'm in the Military war is my life understanding what War is has been my job for all of my adult life. The more I understand the more i find i know little about war.

@@808INFantry11X You're in a modern military. Any of us could pacify the entire middle east faster than Genghis Kahn. Iraq is a quadmire? Block the Tigris and Euphrates in Kurdistan, kill every man woman and child in Baghdad, then take Turkish and Iranian Kurdistan for our collaborators and give them their enemy's gold.

PS thank you for your service. Marine Corps Infantry here.

but sisko didn't really embrace being the emissary (prophets are the wormhole aliens) until much later in the series. and even then, he only did so after getting to know bajor and its people. and sisko was always flawed. the first arc of the show showed that, first when he was pissed at picard for the death of his wife and then by the prophets showing him that he had been living in the past after his wife died.

@@maxacorn sisko was half prophet. His mother was inhabited by one at his conception. Emissary to the bejorans but a prophet nonetheless. I meant his starfleet ideals were changed after he recovered from his grief after worf 359. I agree with most of what you said.

Never realized the parallels to the WWs.

Garak had to have planted the bomb already, but wouldn't have needed to detonate it if Vreenak hadn't decided the data rod was fake.

For all we know, he might have anyway, and we just never found out

Your right Nitpicking Nerd. And for me at least, In The Pale Moonlight is my least favorite, and by far most depressing, episode of ANY Star Trek series. Star Trek advocating for and celebrating the exact amorality it was made partially as a reaction against really burned.

@@Andregrindle Yeah, it was depressing for me to see that episode. "For the Uniform" was a letdown too for me.

agreed

It is.. was added a while back

English is a language that has a crap load of borrowed words and coloquialisms, and yet you still have people going on and on about "proper English." Did you know that two spaces behind periods at the end of sentences isn't a universal rule anymore? I laugh when I see or hear people nitpicking about usage of proper English. That ship sailed a long time ago with the introduction of contractions and don't even get me started on all the inconsistent rules of English. If you get what's being said and/or typed, the language has served its purpose, i.e. to convey feelings, thoughts, ideas and concepts. Quibbling over anything other than a lack of understanding is the equivalent of bureaucrats being overly concerned with process rather than focusing on making sure the end goal of their organization is achieved (the substance). Tl;dr: Did you understand the material? Yes? Okay, we're good.

@@tachyontee3877 Huh... guess I struck a nerve. lol

@@LoreReloaded This is a teachable moment. Don't take it so personally.

"And all it cost was one romulan, one criminal, and the self respect of one star fleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain." "...what about all the people who got hurt? The bar girl, the contacts? Are they part of the co-... *Sisko blinks and looks at Garak, who snorts a smug grin* ...they-" "Well look on the bright side," "YOU!" "Turns out some of those on MY casualty lists were just a big misunderstan- *POW, Garak is assaulted once more, and Sisko slams him into a wall panel, cracking it, before tossing Garak onto the glass shards, towering over him and pointing at the exit* "OUT! GET OUT! GET OUT OF MY SIGHT, GET OUT OF MY STATION AND-" *Garak coughs and heaves himself up mid Sisko's rant, glaring at him like an adult glares at a raging child and barks back* "And with what? How? Wouldn't people ask? Wouldn't people wonder why 'plain and simple' Garak left so suddenly? No, Captain, you don't get to hide from this. I stay here, and so do you. Now go get a drink, get it out and think it through, and go back to being a good man again. We're done." "...I-" "-am glad to leave, goodbye. Yes, people would talk if the emissary's beating a shopkeep, get going. My father said to always watch your back, someone might..." *Sisko continues to hatefully stare at Garak, but his gaze falters as he asks* "Stab it?" *Garak smiles* "...ride it."