I completely agree the 458 is way better experientially. The 488 GTB is a faster car but honestly, I will do 458 before I do a 488.
@Gibbo2052 жыл бұрын
I've driven the 458, 488 and F8, it is the 458 I purchased with my cash and I could afford the others but the 458 is simply more fun to drive on the road, it feels alive even within the speed limits, whereas the 488/F8 feel boring at legal speeds, you have to drive very fast to get fun factor with 488 or F8 whereas 458 is always fun and always singing. 458 is the modern classic and will become more desirable.
@machdaddy6451 Жыл бұрын
Naturally aspirated vs turbocharged? The story I heard was that Chevy used the 458 as a benchmark for their C8 ZO6. They started with the 488, but then switched to the naturally aspirated 458.
@taaronjones3 жыл бұрын
Mad respect on high quality breakdown
@2f2f453 жыл бұрын
Simply awesome! And what makes it so scientifically outstanding is the way how you critically look at your own data. Pointing out potentially inaccurate data eg due to not enough cars in a segment is top notch. My personal favorite: the wrap-up in the end. It helps to sort the mind after an abundance of cool analysis and almost overflow. You just increased your margin in your field of work AGAIN.
@fourwheeltrader3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear that you liked the video.
@davidaoregan3 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this one. Thanks for all the great research
@MS-19943 жыл бұрын
Brilliant analysis that completely vets what I've thought was going on.
@zonemotorschicago78563 жыл бұрын
I know 458 is been going up in price I just got lucky with one it's a keeper. very good analysis good work Thanks
@71ala3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant analysis. I'm so happy I got mine before prices started surging. It's a keeper!
@machdaddy6451 Жыл бұрын
The story I heard was that Chevy used the 458 as a benchmark for their C8 ZO6. They started with the 488, but then switched to the naturally aspirated 458.
@fourwheeltrader3 жыл бұрын
*Which car would you like to see analysed next?*
@stockmarketman3 жыл бұрын
the BMW M3 e92 especially competition package or the Aston Martin DBS 2008-2012.
@goberges3 жыл бұрын
Mercedes Benz E500/500E; interesting collaboration regarding Porsche and Mercedes Benz.
@sh0ckerturb03 жыл бұрын
2004 challenge stradale
@Tiametmarduk3 жыл бұрын
Huracan?
@moritzdietel6203 жыл бұрын
Porsche 993
@sethhamilton79552 жыл бұрын
First time watching your videos. Great analytical approach (nerd out) to the stats. Nice to see someone put all this data together.
@fourwheeltrader2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Over here you can find the latest mid-engine ferrari market update: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e8ecpZaavsqqmHU.html
@meshalalmeshal37273 жыл бұрын
458 is the best and the winner always. Thank you for the perfect video
@gavinbushell26523 жыл бұрын
Can you please do the analysis on EU market for these cars? Also what is the control for advertised price versus paid price?
@moviebod3 жыл бұрын
I loved your video thanks. I would like to see an analysis for the Porsche 986 please, the original Boxster, as prices seem to currently have reached rock bottom and will rise for similar reasons to the 458. I think it is a great car (I have a 2.7 2003 model). I have subscribed.
@FCMaartens4 ай бұрын
Would you be able to do an update to this video ?
@gregmccandless38723 жыл бұрын
Great analysis as always. Is it worth revisiting the market for manual vs F1 360s and 430s? Both gated cars have been on a tear..
@josephjoestar9952 жыл бұрын
Yes please
@tarek3072 жыл бұрын
I sold my 2010 w 37k miles 458 italia begining of march for $143..big darn mistake...now i want another one and realize i'll have to pay $200K + for one
@eswilliamson12 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you
@eduardosguitarclub7543 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@wetlookfashion48833 жыл бұрын
Do you think the 458 will ever come down again?
@tbuck71042 жыл бұрын
In my (worthless lol) opinion, it would have to he a pretty severe macroeconomic situation. As mfgr's continue to head towards batteries, the collectible performance cars will just continue to be more sought after. A bonus is that the 458 is more desirable than the 360, 430, and 488 - so it's going to be even harder for it to come down. Just like Porshe 997 will prove the more desirable gen than the 996 or 991 imo, so it's a safe bet (say a 997 Turbo or GT3). The other thing is that the 458 is the "last ever" at something. This is the last naturally aspirated Ferarri sports car, like the 993 was the last air cooled Porsche, the 997 was the last "sports car" 911 (steering etc.), and various car models were the last of their kind to have a manual transmission, etc. So I like cars that have multiple things going for them long term (internal combustion, marquee brands, are good cars - got rave reviews when new, and are more desirable than models just before and/or after, and various other bonuses) - the 458 has almost every box checked. Well, at least that's how I see it 😁.
@911Xav2 жыл бұрын
Hi, it will be interessant to see now in the EUROPE market 2022 how 458 and 488 increased :-)
@davidshin082 жыл бұрын
488 GTB is so underrated. Own one and you'll understand. All Ferraris will appreciate after electrification take over.
@abdulfargool41123 жыл бұрын
Very nice vid
@selfnote20753 жыл бұрын
Can u do 812? Is it worth buying over the f12?
@4J_7773 жыл бұрын
Personally 812 GTS will be valuable as Ferrari hardly ever release an open top V12 for the public. However I personally think if you are talking about worth purchasing then yes 812SF is value for money since it is still a V12 NA and most probably will be the last NA V12 produced by Ferrari which makes it a lot special. :)
@chrisquinn41812 жыл бұрын
Have you seen value differences in the last six months now that the F8 has been in the market a little longer? LOVE your channel and of course am a subscriber
@fourwheeltrader2 жыл бұрын
This is the latest video on the mid-engine Ferrari market: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gduAmLinpt3DnWg.html
@chrisquinn41812 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
@johnfl11523 жыл бұрын
Cuestión about it 2014 ferrari 458 spider with 22600 miles is to much ? They asked price is $215k
@docmarc362 жыл бұрын
I suppose considering inflation, we could lower the "increase" that much more. Surprised the Speciales didnt rise with the same enthusiasm as the base. oh well... buy cars to drive... not for investments...
@actionarslan2 жыл бұрын
99 Chevy prism. 237k. I want to know if I should have held on or I made the right decision in junking it
@458Aperta2 жыл бұрын
to go for 458 my final criteria was the “engine sound/ last aspirated “ I think the 488 is technically the better car even the higher performance could not convince me I am also owner of a 355GTS F1 ( only 529 was build )low millage ( Fiorano Package / Carbon seats ) very rar combination Shame you did NOT mention the 355 , any chance you can make a 348 to 430 analysis .. actually curios about 355 Situation in regards to your analysis charts
@alanwoo58512 жыл бұрын
How about ferrari 456 GT future? Will it be an appreciating classic?
@arvindsingh46853 жыл бұрын
2020 Mclaren 720s Spider
@fourwheeltrader3 жыл бұрын
Check out this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mLunlKaEnL_XonU.html
@bodilx63 жыл бұрын
Come on; Ferrari V12 values 🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾
@Santoshlv4263 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered - so I'm asking. Are Ferrari prices subject to normal "market forces" or is it set either in Marenello or the USA. I find here in South Africa the local prices is pretty much the dollar x the Exchange rate. And I've calculated that the price of a Ferrari always keeps up with our inflation. Is this the same in the US/UK market ?
@josephjoestar9952 жыл бұрын
Would you still say the 360 and F430 are good investments? Can I expect to gain value
@Gibbo2052 жыл бұрын
Porsche 987.2 Boxster Spyder and Cayman R, these seem to be shooting up crazy fast, particular with manual transmission, have you done research on these special models?
@fourwheeltrader2 жыл бұрын
I don't have anything yet for those models but they are in the pipeline.
@dtreenjr2 жыл бұрын
I currently own a 458 Spider, and am considering the optimum time to sell. With your insight, is it possible to predict when the market will level off or begin declining again, based on previous models and their resale historical values over time.
@fourwheeltrader2 жыл бұрын
A more recent video on the 458 market shows that the price increase is decreasing slightly: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e8ecpZaavsqqmHU.html It's tricky to predict what will happen.
@godofdestructiondiecast67562 жыл бұрын
The 488 is a evolved version of the 458 to me there's no comparison
@jphabib31173 жыл бұрын
McLaren 765LT pls :-)
@mobteknik3 жыл бұрын
I have a 458 Spider which is pretty basic spec. I have the Diamond forged Speciale Aperta rims slapped on, but other than that pretty basic. I really don’t t need the money at this time, but I hardly drive the car. I drove 500 miles last year. Total milage is 11000. Would I be better off selling it? I don’t mind keeping it if the value stays the same or increases. Whats your take on my situation?
@adamellistutorials3 жыл бұрын
Don’t let it be a garage queen. Sell while the market is favoured for you.
@mobteknik3 жыл бұрын
@@adamellistutorials Thanks for the feedback buddy. Much appreciated. What's a garage queen? I'm a dude. Does that make me a garage king? Like I said. Happy to keep it unless it drops noticably. If it drops I'd rather buy something else. Hopefully I'll be in town and able to drive more frequently now with the vaccine being in place. Is your prediction a drop in value?
@abdulfargool41123 жыл бұрын
@@mobteknik what year is the car? How much would you want for it?
@mobteknik3 жыл бұрын
@@abdulfargool4112 hi Buddy. It's a 2012. I'm actually wanting to keep it. My only issue is that I don't want to have it depreciate too much over, let's say, 3 years.
@Cavallino692 жыл бұрын
@@mobteknik I have a 2015 and have been watching this market closely for the past few years. You have a car that should depreciate less (or possibly not at all) than just about any other standard production car (not counting limited production cars like the Speciale or Pista.) If you're enjoying it, keep it. Just about anything else you might replace it with will likely depreciate more.
@lhracinglegende38452 жыл бұрын
La 488 est une bien meilleure voiture que la 458 bourré de défauts
@massimilianobonifacio59382 жыл бұрын
In the last year both have lost value.. 488 even more.
@fourwheeltrader2 жыл бұрын
Over here you can find a market update: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e8ecpZaavsqqmHU.html
@massimilianobonifacio12232 жыл бұрын
@@fourwheeltrader THX, i see that prices in the US are higher than here in Europe.