That first one I came to basically the same conclusions. The game is not built to handle multiple counters, so it prioritizes Vengeance. Game wasn't built for a lot of things really.

I remember unsynching Dzemael solo many times back in the day to get some of the, at the time, unique armor sets. Learned real quick that there was a difference in terminal countdown time.

"Remember everyone, don't *actually* put SpS on your tank gear." I have a friend with a DRK SpS gearset. We did an all-tank run of EW EX1 with her just spamming Unmend. It was incredibly stupid and a very fond memory of mine. (We did clear, btw.)

Thank you very much for testing the Dzemael Darkhold terminals! I'd been meaning to get around to it but was putting it off, since I'd felt like the terminals didn't all behave the same, and I wasn't looking forward to the tedium of testing them all, and *especially* dragging some friends through it!

I didn't know the Arm's Length Vengeance interaction at all!! That could explain why I wasn't seeing slow in the past when I expected it. Very good to know :)

Something of note on doomspike prime-up is that you can prime it before the aoe spam starts while the tank is still pulling! Since you’re unlikely to hit every mob with doom spike while everything is moving since line aoes are dumb, that 10% is a bit more free.

On the topic of DoTs at the end, there's a fake boss "DoT" in T7S, Allagan Venom, that ticks every 1.8s or so. Basically it does a raidwide for each player that still has the debuff

5: Doom spike Bless you for educating players under guise of "mythbusting". This isn't something terribly complex, but so many people just. Don't think about it.

Loved this. Love your voice. Appreciate you're so thorough in your verifications.

Wow, I never would have thought that Arm's length + Vengeance work like that. I just never combined them because i didnt wanna have the mobs attack less often into my vengeance because that would be a dps loss xD

Great episode of Mythbusters and great video as always!

Did actually not know that the timer in Dzemael Darkhold stopped stacking at 2. It was very easy to understand that multiple people made it go faster, as I've tried going solo and with more many times and it's easy to see. However that the countdown stops going faster after 2 people? Very interesting.

I noticed that arm's length didn't apply when l still actively do roulette but never thought about it further. That's interesting information

Maybe because Vengeance is a Warrior/Marauder ability, it is prioritized before Arm's Length, which is just a role ability. In this case, it could be similar to how shield pop in a specific order based on who placed them, as an example, DRK that used TBN on themselves and a SGE that placed Eukrasian Diagnosis and Haima on that DRK, the TBN will always break first. That's another good thing to test: Shield priority. I know that self-TBN is prioritized and Galvanize/Eukrasian Diagnosis breaks before Catalyst/Differential Diagnosis, but what about after or if TBN and other shields on another target? Since there can be as many as 10 shields with 5 party members in a normal party (TBN, Shake It Off, Nascent Flash, Eukrasian Diagnosis, Differential Diagnosis, Haima, Panhaima, Neutral Sect, Celestial Intersection, and Radiant Aegis/Arcane Crest [both are self only]. Can also add Divine Veil and Brutal Shell with the other tanks and Seraphic Veil from SCH's big fairy and Divine Benison from WHM added for 8 party members for 13 different shields that can stack). I would assume it would be TBN > Eukrasian Diagnosis 1 > ???. The reason for this is that TBN and Eukrasian Diagnosis both have secondary effects if they break and TBN has the shortest duration, so the game prioritizes it first since it would end sooner. The best way to test this is to get the weird party into synced content, have the RPR get aggro, then apply all the shields and see the order they break. I'd test RPR since Radiant Aegis could be considered an ally buff since Carby is the one that places it, though that could be another test at the same time. If the Arcane Crest pops first, then self shields would always pop first. The crit Eukrasian Diagnosis is the only part that is a variable, since Sage doesn't have a Recitation equivalent. Also, the Differential Diagnosis shield would probably function the same as SCH's Catalyst shield from crit Adlo, so that would be 2 birds with one stone. I'd also test with either SCH's Galvanize from Adlo or Succor or Sage's Eukrasian Prognosis to see how they'd order in the stack of shields since they're mutually exclusive to each other. This would also make testing Catalyst/Differential Diagnosis in the shield pop order since you can guarantee crits on the Adlo with Recitation. Haima and Panhaima are also weird in that they are a stacked buff that applies a shield by reducing the stack. Unfortunately, this is a very annoying thing to test myself since I don't have friends. For a personal guess, after whether the shield itself has an effect on break, it goes by either initial duration, shield size, or role, so shorter duration, smaller shield, or tank/healer/dps first.

Here’s a dumb question related to pets and targeted buffs: how do AST cards interact with chocobos? I used to bring my chocobo with me while leveling my healer out in the open world, and to maximize astrodyne I’d give a card or two to my chocobo in case I got the right star sign but didn’t want to override the card I gave to myself. I never really paid attention to if the card actually boosted my chocobo’s damage, though. Do chocobos even have a role, and thus would benefit from +6% damage? Or would they only get the lower +3%? Or neither?

I don't recall if you've ever done this one before and a bit curious about it, but if a mit applies after a snapshot but before the damage, does the mit still apply to that damage, or does the mit need to be applied before the snapshot itself?

Esteem's attributes are based on the Dark Knight stats upon summoning. As it counts as another actor, darkside buff doesn't affect him even if kept before his activation, BUT the effects of potions actually buff him if used before his summoning.

ohh, please do a myth on Earthy Star, i swear sometimes it only applies buffs when it's popped for it's effect, not when it's placed, like it should. if it wants to be placed and popped while buffs are up, it's doable, but only if coordinated a little, because it takes 10 seconds to get max potency, and most party buffs are 15, if it only cares about popping during party buffs, that's fine, and if only during placement, that's excellent.

Keep in mind that ping plays in hitting positionals. If you have high ping you need to move to the correct positional earlier. Same way you do when getting out of damage zones.

Can you mythbust...if you apply intervention and THEN pop rampart or sentinal does it still apply the extra 10 percent mit or does rampart or sentinal already need to be up when you apply the intervention? Lol hope that question makes sense. I thoight as Iong as its up when the dmg goes out it would work, regardless if intervention was used befor or after rampart/sentinal

18:00 Are you commenting on which are magical DoTs or physical DoTs? Because I can list all the healer DoTs as well as BLM’s Thunder spells as being magical…

One thing I'm curious about with the positionals snapshotting, is latency. I play on NA server while in EU, so I have some noticable latency, and I can frequently stand to the side or behind the enemy attacking me when I'm #1 aggro. I'm curious if the snapshotting works client-side or server-side. Could I technically move behind an enemy and use a rear-positional to full effect, despite the enemy attacking me and thus constantly looking at me?

The Dzemael one was something i thought many knew but not sprouts, so i made it my job to always tell sprouts or first timers that more players cut down the timer

The Vengeance/Arm's Length thing - I wonder if that's why old ACN's Eye for an Eye ability was removed? Weird counter-attack proc not stacking combined with E4aE only having a 20% chance to activate could have caused some issues. I love these videos!

I once heard somewhere that pneuma works more like a hot, because it doesnt propagate, is its healing also affected by spell speed?

hmm good to know the Arms Length Vengeance thing. although i never really am in a situation where the 2 would overlap.

According to the balance discord, single target buffs generally do apply to pets. It's just dragon sight that acts weirdly. Ast cards will apply to bahamut

My friend recently picked AST back up and posed me the question "When does the damage/healing for Earthly Star snapshot" and I realised I've been playing AST all expansions and have no idea. Is it when it's first placed? Does it get re-snapshot when it switches to Giant Dominance? Or does it calculate as it's going off? Anyone know?

The worst myth I ever heard was that, "Tanks crit chance effect how often the healer will crit on them with healing." I had to immediately ask a much more knowledgeable friend if it does or if it did before. They laughed before saying no to both.

regarding summoner i actually also recommend for lower lvls to be meele range that way your pet doesnt run to the boss to do the skill rather it just does it immediately, try it, its useful sometimes, plus, if ur a caster of any job auto attacking in msq roulette does alot of longterm dmg too, may seem low dmg but it adds up longterm ;D (and healer thanks u for it and later raids) XD

Wow, I totally used Vengeance with Arms Length during megapulls between Raw Intuitions. Had no idea the slow wasn't working. Nobody ever told me :(

what i learned is never give dragoon tether to a smn (unless dawntrail completely changes how tether works)

Maybe you covered this already, but I’ve been hearing this claim recently that auto attacks turn you towards the target you’re attacking? Like when a gaze attack is about to happen, I’ve heard multiple people advise to both turn away AND click off of the enemy. Then sometimes when they fail the gaze mechanic, they’ll claim that it was the auto attack that caused them to turn towards the target. But I’m like 95% sure that’s not how auto attacks work.

Not me a WAR main putting spell speed just to flex on the healer just a little bit more

Paladins magic combo scales with spell speed. At least they used to, I haven’t tested it in a while, but I am pretty sure it still is that way. During shadow bringers with a high enough sks requiescat was only worth using for confittior or if you weren’t going to be in melee with the boss. The additional spells added in shadowbringers made sks almost entirely terrible on pld and sps feel almost worth it(but not actually worth it) to help with fitting everything into burst, the caveat being it only effects burst and Holy Spirit in your combo.

Hmm. I'm not sure if this is entirely relevant to the myth busting going on, but I don't personally find it worth it to calculate single target potency in AoE pulls. The reality is that when you use moves that do single target damage to one target out of 6, with the exception of mob packs that have one clearly high-HP mob to target with these damage fall-off or single target abilities, you will just end up killing one out of the 6 earlier and still have to make up for the lost time AoEing the other 5 targets. So a lot of the time it's a situation of "Did you do more *damage?* Yes. But did you also still slow down the run? Also yes." And I find that's particularly important to remember with the dragoon AoE calculations you did in this video. You can technically do more damage and still be slower at clearing mob fights. (Because you effectively "overkill" one mob by doing single target damage and following up with AoE on the remaining targets)

If Excog and HoC are HoTs, does that mean every button in the game that restores HP or grants shield at a time other than when the button was pressed is a HoT? Was old Paladin Divine Veil, the one that needed to be procced, a HoT?

"Don't actually put spell speed materia on your tank gear" My clemency paladin would like to have a word with you

The way you compare how vengeance and arms length work to those blue mage abilities work or rather don't work with each other makes me wonder if vengeance does or doesn't work off of the old damage model like blue mage does, though I assume that isn't the case.

VENGEANCE DOES DAMAGE?!?!?! How in the hell did I tank savage throughout Endwalker on my warrior and not know this?

Firstly, I didn't know that about Esteem at all! Its nice to know that i actually don't need Darkside before spawning him. I would always get upset when i spawned him without darkside active because i was under the impression that he would deal less damage for the entire duration. Second, just a minor tidbit. Not complaining as this is just more of a personal preference: A better GCD to use to test for #4 is demolish on monk since he has the fastest GCD and demolish has a long ass wind up animation. Spam form shift and use demolish on both angles. Nevertheless, its good to know that about positional snapshots because ive had many instances where the boss would turn as im trying to land my positionals and i end up unsure if i got the damage off or not.

Bahamut used to not do anything if you hit Akh Morn, they fixed that in i think 6.4 because it was a regular issue in dungeons.

Feels a bit surreal to be mentioned in a video. I will note that I go by Emma these days. My old name doesn't bother me much, so I don't mind it being in the video, in fact I found it kind of endearing to hear you use the Danish pronounciation. I hadn't thought to test if Living Shadow was effected by darkside, and simply didn't use it in my origial testing to not skew reults. Also hadn't thought to aks the question: "since Living Shadow appears to deal a fair bit more damage than you, if we assume it does't suffer the 4/5 damage multiplier you do, what base pet potency would it need to have to match our results" which I think is a pretty interesting question. I stated my test results gave me an estimated 6/5 multiplier on Living Shadow's damage. Dividing by the assumed 5/4 multiplier gives 24/25, and with the added assumption of having a built in darkside buff we get the even uglier 48/55, which indeed is pretty close to 7/8, as matches your estimates. Taking my average dammage dividend by Living Shadow's and multiplying by 7/8, the presumed darkside, and the presumed lack of tank debuff, I get about 0,9977, which is close enough to 1 that the difference can probably be attributed to random noise.

I have absolutely put SpS on my RPR before because, as a BLM main, I am committed to the bit. I may or may not have also put it on PLD for the same reasons. (I will note, I was not stupid enough to take it into any activity where the materia stat gains would actually matter)

Do you gain more EXP from dungeon bosses per the amount of enemies killed before them?

I'm surprised you didn't use sps food to show a more noticeable increase. Weird how it works on aurora (didn't bother with corundum).

Regarding dots and hots. Where does Pyretic lie? Pyretic ticks extremely quickly under the condition that you are moving or performing another action, though it cannot interrupt spell casts. Its a debuff that does deal damage over time, but tgen...what is it actually? Is it a DoT?

If you need something to do. 1) Samurai's higanbana DoT. Does shifu weaponskill buff affect DoT? 2) Do you go eureka? The haste ring and earring doesn't have and secondary stat other than haste +3. Is it really better than other sync gear or il300 gear? Some people overmeld crafted il290 accessories. Blitzring price? surprise. Too lazy to test myself. lol.

A potential thing to test in the next episode: Do gaze mechanics need to propagate their snapshot timings? By propagate, I mean get processed in succession for one player each tick. Like how player AoEs, like a tank's AoE damage or a healer's shields/regens don't all occur at once. I used to think that gaze snapshots its check at the same time for all players, like how the enemy's AoEs would. But after seeing the "dodge" flytext appear for me very late in WoD, where there's tons of players to propagate through, and after spending half a year in T7S watching the FX for gaze propagate, I think it does propagate.

Random thought on the 5 sec DOT from PvP Sage: what if it's not real 5 sec, but 5.9 sec. Since the game does acknowledge decimal seconds and tends to round down decimals in the interface to whole numbers (a 1.75 hour buff from an MGP up script for example would display in the buff timer as 1 hour, for 45 minutes), that would guarantee 2 ticks of three seconds without hitting 3 ticks? On that same note (haven't tested yet) would the mob checking for DoTs, mean that you wouldn't have the tick reapply slide (loss of DPS due to restarting of the DoT timer)? IE - If you reapply before the drop falls off, you do not loose the overall DoT damage (like some other games), because the game is not counting the amount of ticks per DoT cast starting when it's applied, but only if it has the buff up when the mob checks?

The Bahamut rumor probably dates from ShB, before the EW SMN rework. I think he tried to follow you EVERYWHERE. Now he will kind of stand in place, and his spells seem to be faster/instant cast? Anyway, I think there's some weirdness still in EW, but I believe this rumor probably dates from ShB, since it was more prevalent then.

While not about a Mechanic, maybe someone here can answer a question I got. Can FCs be Auto Disbanded? I heard that if a Master isn't online for 35 days straight it moves the Master Rank or disband the FC if there is no one else that qualifies for it. Does the later actually happen? Since we've been told for the better part of 2 years now to take frequent and maybe extended breaks, this should've wrecked quite a few small FCs but I cannot find anyone reporting that and the rules do seem quite harsh so I wonder if they actually apply

okay i've actually timed the dzaemel countdowns what even

When it comes to 7th: is it known how is chocobo classified? I know you can partner with it but i wonder if it does anything. Is companion classified as pet?

I never even considered using vengeance and arms length together, because if you slow the mobs down, they don hit you as often and therefore you don't apply as many counters as you'd do normally, unless i misunderstand how they would work together, if they did

Time to meld spell speed on my dancer for the improvisation healing I guess...

why is your wedding ring on your right hand? ive seen this a lot. Is it a thing in different regions?

I kinda wish they'd just merge skill and spell speed. The distinction only matters for, what, 3 jobs? But then again, they definitely designed the kits around that. When I go into Bozja with my haste gear on PLD, fight or flight timing gets super awkward and out of place. So I guess it's fine the way it is

When testing Spell/Skill Speed...why didn't you test Bow Shock on GNB? It has a DoT, right?

To 1. You should never use Arm's Length and Vengeance at the same time anyway, if they attack slower, you deal less dmg with Vengeance 😜

Be right back, remeldng all my materia on GNB into Spell Speed to get that little bit of extra heals on myself cause I can.

I do believe that Wildfire is essentially a dot, at least the way its coded, in that it snapshots on application and cannot dhit/crit. I suppose that could be the 1 exception to ticking every 3 seconds 😂

BRB melding spell speed onto my single target doton ninja build

Thank you for the math on Doom Spike, but can we just address the elephant in the room and agree that Endwalker's version of DRG is, ironically, the single worst dps in Heavensward content. That's both in single target and aoe. In fact, I'm sure SCH, SGE, and WHM all out-dps DRG in aoe.

I DON'T KNOW MAN, REAPER DOES LITERALLY HAVE A SPELL. Harpe. Maybe I should?

Reaper has a spell. Reaper gets spellspeed. QED.

Honestly this has become less of a mythbusting series for me and more of just a “teaching weird mechanics that are useful” series instead. Never realized or even read that skill/spell speed increased the damage of dots. Always thought it was just gcd’s

So WAR is the only tank that can't pair the same defensive cooldowns together? Wtf lmao they need to fix that. I'm sure I'll forget that since I don't play WAR often

or people don't check also because its a lot harder to check into things without mods or plugins so people just take their word for it.

Alright... who said Gunbreaker relies on Spell Speed of all things? 🤔