In this video I review a 7mm PRC in a Fierce CT Rival. I test factory 180 and 175 gr ammo and test some handloads. Will this 24 inch barrel get box and book advertised velocity? Come find out!
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@thomasdaniel64953 ай бұрын
I believe your channel and others that are showing that the 7PRC is not as advertised,and you're showing the 6.8 comparison,will help push the 6.8 more. I hope so,eventhough I don't own one yet,I do plan on getting one,and I'd love to see more component manufacturers get on board with it.I am a little disgusted with the way Hornady has acted here recently,and I think a lot of people are starting to see the light.
@jasonnull22483 ай бұрын
Thanks for including the 6.8.
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Underrated cartridge
@travissmith-wz5nc3 ай бұрын
These videos are making me want to put a 1 in 8 twist 26 inch barrel on a 270 win. I know browning is starting to produce 1 in heels canyon
@chipsterb49463 ай бұрын
@@travissmith-wz5nceither that or build a rifle chambered in 280 Ackley Improved. I love the .270 - my first real rifle. It cracked me up when I realized that .270 Winchester beats 6.5 Creedmoor by every measure (except recoil) out to at least 400 yards.
@travissmith-wz5nc3 ай бұрын
@@chipsterb4946 beats 6.5 prc also. Was thinking about 280 ai also.
@chipsterb49463 ай бұрын
@@travissmith-wz5nc I’ve been researching/day dreaming a rifle build on an ARC receiver and had pretty much settled on 7mm-08. However, a 1:8 twist .270 or a 280 AI build is very tempting.
@michaelnelson19113 ай бұрын
Help push the 6.8 along. Thanks for sharing.
@GGReloading3 ай бұрын
That 6.8 is a spicy one!
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Yep
@brandonjett163 ай бұрын
I love the 6.8 western
@kentuckywindage2223 ай бұрын
I keep reading good things about 6.8 Western. Just isn't getting the push behind it like the 7prc.
@brandonjett163 ай бұрын
That's because the 7prc is by hornady and they sponsor people to push it. The ones that don't get sponsored put out the hard facts honest reviews are only the way to go. The 6.8 western by winchester and browning are the same just different made guns y should they have to push it hard when they know they already made a great cartridge and hornady got mad and wanted the attention u have to remember 6.8 western has been out a good while during the ammo shortage they were hard to get which people didn't like and the rounds were the same cost then as they are now. I know I still have the first two boxes I haven't shot. I bought when the 6.8 western came out a long when the first two different rifles came out I got one of them. I'm not saying hornady is bad for ammo they just dropped the ball selling people shit ammo so they can keep there factory running on 7prc ammo and so consumers have something to shoot yes its not right to do that and not tell ur customers wat ur doing lying isn't that great hope it back fires on them. I called them out in a video they did when I chronographed calibers I had with same barrel length they used and were way off so I called them out then no reply someone makes a video on it and they fold faster
@user-yo6fz3zi3f3 ай бұрын
That was awsome adding the 6.8 at the end. Given that its actually doing what the prc claimed to do.
@markphillips94543 ай бұрын
Same story. To bad browning and winchester aren't supporting their 6.8 western better, and no one else is either. I'll pass on the 7 prc. And stick with my 7 mag. Thanks for the video 👍🏻
@TheCodyO3 ай бұрын
Thats not currently true. 6.8 Western is gaining a little traction. Has aftermarket brass support through ADG, rifles being made by Christensen arms & Seekins Precision. Its never going to be a .308 or 30-06 but I think it still has a shot as a short magnum.
@Tyanmax993 ай бұрын
Love the little 6.8 western add-in at the end!
@peterluttgens33643 ай бұрын
Have to love the 6.8 Western I love my Xbolt Browning Hells Canyon 6.8 Western I’ll never give her up 🇦🇺
@kjc92933 ай бұрын
Shot a 270 WSM for years, 140 Accubond.......would love to see a Western video with "light" for caliber bullets.....270 Win been piling up game for 100 years with "light" for caliber bullets!!
@brandonhudson30933 ай бұрын
Backfire just did a video on this. Hornady rep told him they ran out of powder that produced the box velocity and new powder is just as accurate but slower. Probably just another attempt to save face but if any early batch boxes are still out there could prove one way or the other.
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
I saw! Thanks for watching
@jiminator53 ай бұрын
I was Lucky to get an early batch and with my garmin chrono I was getting 2980 FPS average with 5 shot groups and 0.8 MOA with factory precision hunter 175 ELDX. With handloads out of a 24 in barrel, with H1000 66.8 grains I was getting an average of 2960 fps. But every other powder shot really slow. Not a fan that only 2 powders really work for the cartridge but it can be done.
@treckon31123 ай бұрын
I kinda think the powder change has alot to do with it. This video provides alot of load and really good accuracy data on the 7prc with the powder we all wish was available kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mNh4kpWg1OCUZas.htmlsi=0K947c-luLHqmJ--
@Andrew-jm4tp3 ай бұрын
My experience is the same as yours. I bought 100 rounds of factory 175 eldx last year because there was no other way to get brass at the time. Velocity averaged 2960 in my 22 inch Savage. Now I am loading 66.6 grains H1000 at 3.3 OAL and getting the same velocity.@@jiminator5
@ronws20073 ай бұрын
I watched Jim. I thought he said industry insider, not Hornady rep.
@WayStedYou3 ай бұрын
The 7 Please Re Consider.
@chadperry40213 ай бұрын
That’s funny
@dungeontales81173 ай бұрын
Oh thats just savage.
@beavismagnum3 ай бұрын
@@DeerLeverream it out to 28 Sherman!
@philrizzo3 ай бұрын
7 Public Relations Cartridge. Shot mine this afternoon!
@t3h8ar0n2 ай бұрын
The 7prc is a fine cartridge for what it is (modernized 7mm cartridge without the belt for handloaders like myself)... but Hornady basically lying about its performance to make it look significantly better than 6.8 Western is bs.
@ThemantleofElijah3 ай бұрын
Still love watching the videos
@wheelchairhillbilly3 ай бұрын
The 7prc and 6.8 western seem to have simular case capacity nearest I can tell, so given a choice, I'd choose the western every time. I could be wrong, but in regards to the 7prc's case capacity, I would think anything over 2900 with a 180gr would probably be overpreasure. That fierce seems like a nice rifle. Of course I'm partial to my new mark5 6.5rpm. That six lug action is awesome!
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
7mm PRC has more case capacity
@wheelchairhillbilly3 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby that's possible. I just know what Google says, and I think it was total water volume, but you know the internet. Do you know the difference? Nearest I can tell once again is a 270rpm would be very close. Again Google lol. Thanks for the reply.
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
Do you have anything setup so that we can toss you a few bucks to help cover ammo cost? If you're willing to do all this testing, least we can do is help cover some of the ammo.
@ChristianoMoe3 ай бұрын
Agree, I'd love to help out with a few $
@dungeontales81173 ай бұрын
I feel like he needs to build this channel into a platform that verifies and checks ammo companies claims. Someone needs to keep them honest.
@reopruunsk59183 ай бұрын
Greetings from Siberia =) My friend is waiting for the rifle to arrive, i think I'll laugh out loud at him . Our gunpowders is not as stable and accurate as yours or Finnish ones, but the speed is decent. It will be interesting to test them =)
@peterluttgens33643 ай бұрын
Mate With your comparisons on 7PRC - 7rem mag - 6.8 W Can we do a range & velocities comparison with all factory ammo of same weight & barrel lengths Should sort out the shit from the clay 🇦🇺😃
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
That sounds very expensive.
@chipsterb49463 ай бұрын
Throw 280 Ackley Improved into the mix.
@bradlowrance43673 ай бұрын
I just picked up a 6.8 western XPR and it is a beast. Getting 3028 FPS with MAGPRO and 2955 with H1000 with the 165g ABLR. 150g Nos Ballistic tips are screamers and both group very nice in this rifle. All conservative loads with no pressure signs.
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@cw2a3 ай бұрын
Good stuff Austin 🤘🏼❤️🩹🙏
@chipsterb49463 ай бұрын
RW thanks for continuing your experiments with 7 PRC. When it first came out I thought “Eureka that’s it!” But as someone else pointed out, you have to push right up to the margins to get the spiffy “advertised” velocities. Work up loads for a 7mm 08 or 280 Ackley Improved or 6.8 Western. Can you get close enough to not make much difference? Sure seems like you can.
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
I'm glad I went with the 28" barrel. Lol I'm really curious to see what I get out of it. After digging into that 6.8 a bit, I for sure get it.
@Outdawrzman5 күн бұрын
Once the propellent issues get sorted the 7 PRC will be shooting exactly where it’s supposed to be
@ReloadingWeatherby5 күн бұрын
It only get's 3000 FPS with RL-26...
@dog81762 ай бұрын
Hornady put out a letter saying the powder they are using now isn’t what they initially used and are seeing a little difference in velocity. The quality is still as good and accuracy is as good and quality control has never been better. My opinion the 7 prc shoots amazing
@ReloadingWeatherby2 ай бұрын
7mm PRC is a good shooting cartridge. But shame on Hornady for trying to get away with much lower velocities.
@shanerhodes9253 ай бұрын
My Mossberg 7 prc shot the exact same way. Like almost good but not really. Could hunt with it but just about. Factory federal eld x. Shit just a hair over one inch. But other than that two or so sometimes 1 1/4. But that best. I bought a Tikka in 7rem mag and am very happy that I did. Lol
@AlphaWolf0153 ай бұрын
I bought a Seekins Precision PH2 last July. Had the option on 7 PRC or 7 REM Mag. The dealer I bought it from convinced me to get it in 7 REM Mag. After seeing all the recent videos about the underwhelming performance of 7 PRC, I’m glad I made the choice that I did. I’m handloading 7 Rem Mag, and I’m getting velocity’s that smoke the factory loaded stuff. I’m sure handloading 7 PRC to max would be better than factory ammo, but case capacity doesn’t lie. I always thought it was fishy when Hornady claimed faster velocities with the same type and amount of powder in 7 PRC in their reloading manual. That literally doesn’t make sense. You can’t have the same bullet and same amount of powder and get drastically different velocity.
@oblivionpro693 ай бұрын
If you’re a hand loader, it actually does make sense to go with the PRC, as it’s only the factory loads currently having a problem. Also, the reason you think it “literally doesn’t make sense”, is because you don’t know about the pressure differences. 7mm rm is at 62k, 7PRC at 65k. That means with the same powder load it will have slightly more velocity all else equal, it’s just how it works.
@oblivionpro693 ай бұрын
And by “same powder load” I mean same grain weight but different powders. 7m RM can’t handle as much of the hotter powders.
@SpudOutdoors3 ай бұрын
@@oblivionpro69you realize you are completely wrong and have no idea what your talking about.
@oblivionpro693 ай бұрын
@SpudOutdoors No I don’t realize that. The numbers many have gotten don’t lie. Also, data and science doesn’t lie. 2+2 will always equal 4 and if it doesn’t…you did something wrong. 2 cartidges with the same capacity but different pressures will not have the same maximum velocity potential, and if they do….you did something wrong.
@tylervolentine12863 ай бұрын
I too went with the same rifle but in 7 PRC... thing shoots same hole with the ELDX factory and .85 MOA with ELDM. Can't wait to start handloading with 195's to see what I can get to work with that... either way, Seekins Precision PH2 is probably my favorite rifle
@kerryddepew6743 ай бұрын
Here on the gulf coast, I have 2 7prcs, 1 a ruger and the other a remarms long range, using rl 22,25 and h 1000 I have no problem with velocity reaching 3000 with 180 vlds or eldms, both rifles together cost less than that fierce, I have shot many groups .3 - .7", sold my 6.8 western that one was a tomato stake, but that is just my experience.
@Twitch25318Ай бұрын
Watching another video, Hornady is not using the powder from when the caliber launched where they achieved 2950. The new stuff is shooting in the 2800 range
@sick7six13 ай бұрын
Thanks for making informative content! I was able to achieve 2967fps with 180 eldm from 24in Fierce Rouge but the COAL will not be within saami spec; One could achieve 3000fps with better brass (Peterson or ADG). Factory ammo for this caliber is very hit or miss on performance and velocity.
@Tradmark4543 ай бұрын
Problem is whether you are reloading or buying factory ammo, the velocities hornady gives is max. You may be able to get that velocity with a powder or two at max you have no wiggle room. If you reload and your rifle doesnt like a powder or a bullet it cant produce the results people all jumped on the bandwagon for. Take a 300 win mag. You have up to 150+ fps to play with vs factory ammo. And you can get there with many many powders. 200 bullets that do well in the field or on target. Look at max loads with barnes lrx bullets or scirrocos. The prc is way down from the 300 win mag.
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
That's a really good point
@charlesmullins32383 ай бұрын
When you gonna try a warbird….i love that cartridge and Kevin Calhoun has some build vids on one
@claytonbruner180818 күн бұрын
Speed doesn't kill. Accuracy does. Develop dope on average velocities at your intended hunting distances and go hunting.That 180 ELDM is still carrying elk killing energy at 850yds with a velocity of 2850fps. AND if it is shooting slower than advertised they're giving you additional barrel life.
@NomadicHacker.3 ай бұрын
Lol had to throw in the 6.8 western jab at the end, the more I see it compared to the 7s the more I like it. Also can you load varget in the 7prc, that might get the steeds up to what hornady had in mind before the powder ran out, aldo interesting to see the old box confirming that statement put out although still not 3k. Great video and keep up the good work!!
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
Varget is way too fast
@NomadicHacker.3 ай бұрын
@@dankcincy bummer
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
@@NomadicHacker. Yup I shoot a 6 Arc as well and Varget is a touch to hot for it too. Guys are doing it, but it's flirting with disaster I think.
@NomadicHacker.3 ай бұрын
@@dankcincy I've seen load data for varget in 30-06 how is it to hot for 6arc?
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
@@NomadicHacker. I don't know enough about it all to give you exact details but if you look at the 2024 Relative Burn Chart, 1-176 1 being the fastest, 176 being the slowest. 7 Prc is up around mid 130s-mid 160s. 6 Arc is one side or the other of 120. Varget is 113. I'm no expert in smokeless powder, but I wouldn't stuff a 113 where a 165 belongs.
@aaronwilcox64173 ай бұрын
Makes me happy to stick with my Fudd rifles and cartridges. If i feel that i need soemthing it would be bullets components or optics.
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
There's a lot to be said for sticking with what you know works for you.
@ozark_trapper2 ай бұрын
What scope was on the fierce rifle? I am looking for a scope for my 280ai rifle. I want the elevation turret exposed. But the windage capped. What brand chronograph was ya using? I want to get one. But i won't use it much.
@ReloadingWeatherby2 ай бұрын
He had a Vortex Razor LHT. We were using a magneto speed chronograph
@ozark_trapper2 ай бұрын
@ReloadingWeatherby I was looking at the Vortex Viper 4x16x50 hs lr scope. Wanting an SFP scope for hunting. I was also looking at the magneto speed sporter model. Putting the scope on a new Browning. A Xbolt Hells Canyon Long Range rifle in 280AI. It has a 1@8 twist 26 inch barrel.
@ReloadingWeatherby2 ай бұрын
@@ozark_trapper I have a Vortex Viper HS. I like it.
@Muschka013 ай бұрын
Was there any pressure signs, do you think you can hit 70 grans of H1000 or higher? You should go over 3000 fps.
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Lots of pressure in the Fierce at 68 gr
@thomasdaum19273 ай бұрын
Let’s not forget about the 28 Nosler , 7 Ultra , 7 STW , all of which out preform the 7 PRC ! Btw I forgot the 7 WBY ! So many ( better ) cartridges , why are we waisting time on the 7 PRC ? ….. Oh that’s right they need to sell new rifles !……. Thanks for all your hard work for us !………
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching
@oblivionpro693 ай бұрын
Somebody doesn’t understand twist rate and why it matters
@beavismagnum3 ай бұрын
@@oblivionpro69you can get any chambering in a fast twist…
@jarodbrown17413 ай бұрын
@@oblivionpro69 what is the twist rate for the 7prc ? , browning and several others offer a 1:8 , 26" for the 7mm rem mag ,
@eddielombera58623 ай бұрын
@@oblivionpro69somebody doesn’t know that not everyone buys factory rifles and gets a custom barrel with any cartridge they want. Some 7rem mags come 1-8 twist and as we knew smokes 7prc, a 80yr old 7wby with a 1-8 twist obliterates the 7prc in velocity and efficiency
@mryang36443 ай бұрын
Still waiting on Hornady to chime jn and Defend their advertised Numbers.... where u at Hornady!!!
@justinrogers94273 ай бұрын
6.8 western for the win! What's not to like about it?
@jameswilson55623 ай бұрын
Good video i used 7828 in mine but u gotta push it
@brandonjett163 ай бұрын
Wat was the 6.8 western rifle in the end of this video?
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Fierce
@MrGoMario3 ай бұрын
Yeah.... I should have bought that instead 😢
@peterluttgens33643 ай бұрын
Have a look at the Browning Xbolt hells canyon in the 6.8 Western Mine is brilliant 🎉 Might be a bit cheaper than the Fierce 👍🇦🇺
@masone45893 ай бұрын
That’s some of the best velocities I’ve seen from the factory stuff. I’ve always heard Fierce has relatively fast barrels compared to most production rifles. My Firece has a 22” barrel and shoots tiny groups with the 175 and 180. I need someone to donate a chronograph to me.
@daveenriquez77903 ай бұрын
I'm considering the Fierce Rival. How well do you like yours? Any insight Pros/Cons are greatly appreciated
@masone45893 ай бұрын
I absolutely love mine. I’m considering another in a different chambering. I’m sure it will shoot for you because they all seem to drive tacks. I’ve had a small feeding problem (floor plate model) Looks like Fierce is going to handle it but I’d recommend getting the one with a detachable magazine. Should prevent that problem
@daveenriquez77903 ай бұрын
@masone4589 Thank you so very much for that insight. I was initially considering the floor plate model, but I'll take your advice on the detachable box magazine model.
@rosalindstewart70133 ай бұрын
Now that’s what it’s about good onya fellas, info like that helps everyone and it’s great to see people not arguing over ish
@austingriffith11182 ай бұрын
Have you ever tried finding accuracy nodes with incremental loads? It seems like you are chasing velocity exclusively.
@ReloadingWeatherby2 ай бұрын
I do it all the time... just don't show it on camera
@user-uq4bl6pm2r3 ай бұрын
Life is too short to try and shoot a Mossberg rifle for groups.
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
That's just cold. Lol
@JamesClark-lw6sw2 ай бұрын
BUT SO TRUE.
@NotBOB-812 ай бұрын
Look I love 7mm and this new prc is pretty cool for what it is, a 7 Remington mag with a little creed sprinkled on it. I'm definitely keeping mine but I just went today and put a Browning Xbolt in 6.8western on lay-a-way. The prc is not what Hornady claimed. That's ok, it looks like Winchester took a page out of Hornady play book and sprinkled some creed on the 270wsm. Goes without saying but I think Winchester beat Hornady at their own game. Wander if that has anything to do with all these other companies rejecting the 6.8western.
@ReloadingWeatherby2 ай бұрын
You will like that 6.8 Western
@NotBOB-812 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby as long as it goes bang it has a home here. I still love my 7s even my prc. Truth is I'm a caliber groupie. It truly is a powerful drug 😁
@8MM.PRC.HUNTER2 ай бұрын
You will also like the X Bolt in that caliber - feeds those short fat cartridges like butter and shoots great too. The X Bolt greatly benefits from a Timney trigger upgrade or an Mcarbo trigger spring in the factory trigger. Enjoy!
@darrylpacholko54953 ай бұрын
I dont own a 7mm PRC, so i have no skin in the game.My question would be around ,burn rate, cartridge capacity, pressure develpment related to powder type.Ive seen 7mm PRC get 2930 ft per sec. with a 197 grain Sierra hpbt. Thats very a heavy for calibre projectile for the 7mm. Jacob at handloader tv did a recent string of tests with custom built rifle from Yavapai gunsmith college. He got some amazing velocities and groups,especially with reloader 25 & 26. The caveat is the rifle has a 26 inch barrel. I was still impressed as he seemed to tap into the potential of the case. Hornaday must be using a poor powder as their velocities are definitley underwhelming.
@SpudOutdoors3 ай бұрын
The point of the cartridges was to get those velocities in a shorter barrel
@darrylpacholko54953 ай бұрын
@SpudOutdoors true, that's why I said there is a caveat, a 26 inch barrel. However even if he got 2850 with a 24 inch barrel with a 197 grain bullet that's still good 👍.
@SpudOutdoors3 ай бұрын
@@darrylpacholko5495 I get 3000 with a 195 in 7 mag with a 26”
@darrylpacholko54953 ай бұрын
@@SpudOutdoors 7 mag is what I own .I see no need for a 7mm PRC.
@sinistersilverado9653 ай бұрын
I've had Remington factory ammo, in 24" rifles miss published velocity by 400fps in 243win, and 270 win
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
That's crazy
@thomasdaum19273 ай бұрын
And this is why you must reload !……
@tylervolentine12863 ай бұрын
400 FPS miss..... HOLY...
@ronws20073 ай бұрын
Here is what I think of why the Fierce is performing a bit better than the Mossberg. It has to do with the stock. The Fierce Rival has carbon bedding and any sturdy bedding makes for a better shooter. The Mossberg Patriot Predator Strata that you have there is a stock similar to the Mossberg Patriot synthetic stock. The mag well is removable and it is used as a shim. The rear action screw guide has a gap so that it is not a complete circle. You can never torque down what you need. This is going to allow some motion, I think, in the rear of the action, using the front action screw like a fulcrum. Put the Mossberg in any bedded stock, most especially a chassis, and it does better. I know because I have some and I have mentioned this more than once to Mossberg and they are not interested in changing their ways.
@thebleeb16813 ай бұрын
If one looks at the published Hornady load data, they themselves list 4 powders - RL22, RL25, RL26 and N560 - which achieve 3000fps at max load with the 175gr ELD-X from a 24" barrel. That they claim the lack of one powder knocked them out of the "3000fps club" has to be a big fat lie. If I'm wrong, I can only stipulate that the powder they initially used was not on their load data list. I just can't think of what that powder could be. Norma MRP?
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
I don't think Hornady has access to any of the powders that get 3000 FPS
@bartb212 күн бұрын
The statement Hornady made was that they could not get the powder they originally used, I am 99.9% sure that is R26. They surely have access to some of the other powders, but they were not able to achieve the accuracy they wanted with the same velocities. The person from Hornady stated they preferred accuracy over velocity, I think they simply made a mistake by not changing the velocity on the box. I am still a believer in the 7 PRC and all of the PRC's for that matter, they are well designed and with Stabal HD, H1000 or Magpro, which are all readily available accuracy and velocity should be good enough for most people. If you are not happy after that go with a 7 LRM or 28 Nosler with a slow twist or your own wildcat
@TommyboyGTP3 ай бұрын
What type of rifling does the Mossberg have?
@eddielombera58623 ай бұрын
All 7prc rifles have Sammy spec of 1-8twist
@TommyboyGTP3 ай бұрын
@@eddielombera5862I wasn't asking about the twist rate
@OutsidetheEchochamber3 ай бұрын
If you use anything but Hornady factory ammo with their current powder. I live in your area and am offering you a box of Federal ammo for your test?
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Send me a message on Instagram. My handle is Reloading Weatherby
@OutsidetheEchochamber3 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby sent 👍
@mwoolsey53 ай бұрын
At least from the 7 PRC groups I’m in, it sounds like the federal has been 100 FPS or so faster. 2900-2950.
@Matt-en1kn3 ай бұрын
Thank u finally
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
@@OutsidetheEchochamber3Rballistics dropped a video yesterday getting 2930 I think it was out of the Federal. Had a real hot single shot from either the Federal or Weatherby that was just shy of 3k.
@wyattlavallee80782 ай бұрын
I’m sure your 7 prc videos are done but I just noticed on the Berger 180s 68.7 grains of magpro is 2950 on their load data
@ReloadingWeatherby2 ай бұрын
I'm not done, just taking a break
@derekmcmurry3 ай бұрын
what is the load for that 6.8 Western and 170 BVLD?
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
He is using N570
@GGReloading3 ай бұрын
N570, 65 grains. Start around 60 and work up. I went off od Retumbo data as a comparison for the load.
@derekmcmurry3 ай бұрын
@@GGReloading 8 pounds of that just arrived last week along with 8 pounds of N565. Hope to try them soon. Thank you
@Chris-liwymi3 ай бұрын
I’m gonna have to force myself to record my groups from my Mossberg seven PRC of course all rifles are different and conditions are different but I get near same hole groups or at least touching I’m shooting at 100 yards that’s the longest range I have near me but yeah
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Glad your gun shoots well
@Chris-liwymi3 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby same, I reload with H 4831SC as well it’s a solid powder for the PRC it seems. It is truly sad that Hornady had such a hard on for the 3000 ft./s claim it is a little disappointing lol
@sinistersilverado9653 ай бұрын
virtually all of the Alliant powders are not instock, what's up with that?
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Two wars... I assume
@GinoDistefano-jf7eh3 ай бұрын
I have 79 model 700 7 mag. Bought it new. It shoots .5 at 100 Yrds. 175 Grain Bullets. Nothing new under the Sun Here
@johnnorman77083 ай бұрын
If the worldwide gunpowder shortage is affecting Hornady's ability to source the powders that were keeping some of their cartridges smoking right along, then yeah we do have a crisis of supply beyond what we as hand loaders see on the shelf. I was hoping to at least try to find a pound of Alliant Reloder 26 for my .270, since I heard it was magic it that cartridge too.
@ChristianoMoe3 ай бұрын
BS. Hornady should state the velocity of the powder they are using on the box, not what it potentially could achieve with a different powder 😂
@user-eg8hb8xt3j3 ай бұрын
Haha gun powder shortage 😂😂😂 just stop
@JVR-gd7zw3 ай бұрын
Imr 4350 worked great In my 270.
@ReloadingQuest3 ай бұрын
Okay so for the 6.8 your not included the flyer? I understand it looks good with the 4 shots shown but that’s not the real group size, you can’t though a flyer out, that flyer is part of that group and it shows what the rifle could do on any of the 5 shots. But just my two cents, good video! I may have to show the 7prc getting over 2900 fps because I think I still got a box left of ammo. Also if I had to pick I still would take 280 and 280ai over both these two. 👍
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
The flyer is included. 1.2 inch 5 shot group. I wasn't trying to hide the flyer.
@ReloadingQuest3 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby cool 😎
@knotsknives18633 ай бұрын
You said half moa on the video, it didnt even shoot 1 moa 😂😂
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
@@knotsknives1863 I said if we didn't count the flyer. You can see the flyer with 1.290" right next to it.
@knotsknives18632 ай бұрын
@ReloadingWeatherby right, so if i only count 1 shot, then it's a really tight group right? Ha. When you go to shoot that gun, it could hit in any one of those spots, i guess i just dont see any value in saying what it could have been, cause it wasn't. But you do you....
@CastIeBravo3 ай бұрын
I would encourage everyone to be pragmatic about this. The PRC has the potential to be an excellent cartridge. It offers a more efficient cartridge design and can be loaded to tighter tolerances with heavy for caliber bullets. Even though we’re seeing velocities on par with 7RM out of factory offerings, handloading will quickly bridge that gap. We’re still getting 7RM velocities, and those are no joke. I’m pretty sure the animal won’t care. Right now I’m not inclined to plunk down a grand for a new rifle, as I’m not a PRC fanboi, but give it a year or two and I’m sure you’ll see the improvements you’re looking for. Hornady won’t be able to withstand the criticism and backlash, and continue to push the 7 PRC without fixing the powder/velocity issue.
@ericthered72263 ай бұрын
If you're hand loading for both, the PRC is still sucking hind tit compared to the Rem Mag.
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
And thats it isn't it. The cartridge can do it. Other ammos are doing it and handliaders are doing it and more.
@Win70ew3 ай бұрын
I’ve watched several videos on the 7PRC and I can honestly say that I have seen nothing that would make me get rid of my 7 rem mag to purchase one.
@eddielombera58623 ай бұрын
Other than making me see that getting a 7prc to replace a 7rem mag would be a downgrade. A real upgrade would be a 28 nosler with a 1-8 twist, which just I have! I did enjoy my 7rem mag though….
@Win70ew3 ай бұрын
@@eddielombera5862 I agree, I also think the the 6.8 Western out performs the 7PRC.
@westonbaird92613 ай бұрын
How’s the velocity?
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Better... but not great
@drdes96093 ай бұрын
Mossberg loaned you a rifle and they gave you one that shoots 2moa. That’s pretty terrible haha
@brandonjett163 ай бұрын
It was nice seeing ur comment on hornady about the 6.8 western like my comment lol 😆
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Had to troll them a little bit
@brandonjett163 ай бұрын
Agreed not getting wat we paid them for on the box feels like nosler at 6 percent lol 😆
@brandonjett163 ай бұрын
It's like mdt throwing a video up on 270 win vs 6.5 creedmoor not saying the 6.5 is bad I own one but says it's old news with browning releasing new twist rates on the 270 win with loading higher bc bullets that reloaders can do I left a fantastic comment on that one too saying basically stop trying to burn on old calibers that have been proven and stop trying to boost sales hornady 😂
@brandonjett163 ай бұрын
We need to bust on hornady with the 6.5 prc vs the 6.8 western because the western spanks the 6.5 prc in foot pounds too higher bc
@brandonjett163 ай бұрын
6.5 prc to think of comparison would probably be compared to the 6.5 x 284 norma is my guess have to do more research
@davhuf34963 ай бұрын
I have seen videos saying the velocity is 100-200 fps below what the factory is claiming.
@johnnorman77083 ай бұрын
Powder supply problems are to blame.
@Stewart75163 ай бұрын
@johnnorman7708 that's a pretty poor excuse, don't you feel like they should advertise what they are selling you not advertise what you want and sell you something else? It's like buying a car sight unseen and showing up to find an electric kids toy. Makes me mad honestly.
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
Hornady ammo is. For some reason nobody is posting videos of the other options being tested. It seems that we are only seeing videos that make the 7 Prc look bad. Doesn't make much sense to me.
@user-eg8hb8xt3j3 ай бұрын
@@johnnorman7708 haha no it’s not . They are putting the wrong velocities on boxes to sell ammo and rifles . The cartridge isn’t what it’s cracked up to be . That’s what’s going on . Weird that every other ammo company is very close to the advertised velocities but Hornady with the 7prc isn’t ? lol yeah ok it’s a powder shortage 😂
@user-eg8hb8xt3j3 ай бұрын
@@dankcincyexcept he’s hand loading it to max potential and it’s still behind a 7 mag
@cliffordschorr3 ай бұрын
Really kinda wishing i would have gotten my rifle rechambered in a fast twist 300 wsm or winmag instead of 7prc. Oh well
@RagnarWarteeth2 ай бұрын
Everyone talking about the 6.8 not taking off , go buy the 270 wsm. Done
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
3RBALLISTICS dropped a video a few hours ago shooting the Hornady, Federal, and Weatherby loadings
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
I saw it!
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby I haven't gotten a chance to watch it all yet, I got a phone call apart way through it
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby Didn't get 3k out of any of them did he? That Federal did alright though. Data point of one but yours, once you do it, will make two. 😁
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherbyI talked to the smith today. He said that he will hand it off to the paint/cerakote department by the end of the week. I'm hoping it will ship out next week!!!😁
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
@@dankcincy Congrats! Have fun with it!
@davhuf34963 ай бұрын
Rifles and compound bows...if they do not reach a certain velocity they are the goat! Lol
@Weatherby4063 ай бұрын
Want a 7rpm in a 6lug Weatherby.. sub 5lb backcountry
@user-eg8hb8xt3j3 ай бұрын
The time is near … brace yourself…the “ it’s because of the powder supply “ people are coming 😂
@oblivionpro693 ай бұрын
Do you have any evidence that that claim is incorrect? It’s coming straight from Horny’s mouth and powders actually are in low supply.
@BeaterJeep3 ай бұрын
He hit the book numbers with H1000 … 2900 fps with 180’s … Before published load data, folks were hitting 2950-3200 depending on the powder without pressure signs. HCR test their custom rifles with factory ammo and you’ll be shocked at the velocities with 20, 22 and 24 inch barrels. Go give their channel some views.
@HazardousRobАй бұрын
Well, when you have several other manufacturers including hornady complaining about having a hard time getting it... yea, I'd say there's some legitimacy behind it. Especially since I was getting 2970fps on average in my 22" custom build when 7prc first dropped, I'd say 3000fps wasn't a stretch. We get it, you have a room temperature IQ and don't realize there's a couple wars going on in the world that might affect supply of certain components. I'll get you a helmet.
@ronlowney47003 ай бұрын
🤭 How Long Before You Trade in This Rifle and Get Yourself a 280 AI or 30-06?
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Not my rifle to trade in. Mossberg loaned it to me
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherbyYou would think they would of made sure you got a good one.
@ronlowney47003 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby 😁 Well, That Will Make It Easier to Part With! 🥳
@ronlowney47003 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby 🕵♂ After You Get Your 340 WBY, What is the Next Cartridge That You Want to Try? 😯
@scottgreen65382 ай бұрын
Lol when you discount 25% of your shots as flyers every gun shoot great groups. 😂
@ReloadingWeatherby2 ай бұрын
Yeah... he has some more load development to do to get more consistency.
@williamhood50623 ай бұрын
What do you think of the 7 PRC?
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Good cartridge that has been extremely overhyped
@oblivionpro693 ай бұрын
The 7PRC haters (mostly 6.8 western guys) are going to get more and more sore the more they realize hand-loading can make the 7PRC exactly what it was advertised to be. Yes, Horny’s factory ammo is having issues, but that can’t change the velocities people have gotten with hand loads.
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
6.8 Western fans? It's actually the 7mm Rem mag fans laughing at the 7mm PRC performance
@oblivionpro693 ай бұрын
I’ve seen a cohort of 6.8 western guys taking shots at it
@peterluttgens33643 ай бұрын
Most hunter don’t hand load Just buy the ammo & go hunting Way too much mucking around reloading 👎🇦🇺
@eddielombera58623 ай бұрын
Wasn’t the argument that factory ammo gave you hand loaded performance in a 7prc? Of course hand loading gives you better results that factory but that’s true with any cartridge.
@oblivionpro693 ай бұрын
@peterluttgens3364 I agree, most hunters don’t hand load, but what the hand loads prove is that this factory ammo problem is fixable. Hopefully Horny comes through on that. Also, most hunters don’t buy custom barrels like 1-8 twist 7 rem mags but I’ve seen lots of people around here say the 7PRC is irrelevant because “you can get a 1-8twist 7 rem mag”
@jackbolen50013 ай бұрын
It will not. Hornady said the initial velocities on the box were with powders they cannot get so they changed powder and now it is ~175 fps slower. 7 REM Mag smokes it
@sinistersilverado9653 ай бұрын
I gave up on the 7mm Rem mag because it was so hard to find an accurate load, everything in 7mm PRC provides me with target accuracy
@ChristianoMoe3 ай бұрын
So Hornady is doing false advertising and tell people the numbers on the box is with a powder they are not loading it with? 😂 Do you have a source?
@ChristianoMoe3 ай бұрын
@@sinistersilverado965what rifle/barrel? You can't blame a caliber because you couldn't get it to shoot😂 the PRC's chamber is tighter than the rem mag, that's true
@dungeontales81173 ай бұрын
@@ChristianoMoego watch backfire. He did a video covering this topic. He pinned a comment detailing the powder shortage. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdh8eJBk17fLop8.htmlsi=KmKbVdeoLuveh1sj As it sits, the 7 prc is underperforming to the point where all the claims that Hornady makes are straight lies. They developed a cartridge to give buyers match grade performance, that would beat older cartridges. Now real world results are in. We were duped. 9:07 It's not faster than a RM, the PRC has smaller capacity. You can seat the same bullets in the RM brass, and with most barrels you can stabilize the heavier bullets especially at altitude. If you have a RM browning with an 8 twist, which is factory btw, your set for any 7mm bullet. As 7prc owner, I wish I had just gotten the 7RM. Factory ammo from federal is about half the price. The whole "advantage" was out of the box, off the shelf high level performance. Those things just aren't there for the 7PRC. And with more wars on the horizon, powder supply problem will probably not get better. I think Hornady should print the actual numbers which looks like 2800ish. Honest business is always better than marketing hype that comes back and bites you once the truth is out.
@jackbolen50013 ай бұрын
@@ChristianoMoe I’ll see if I can find it. It was posted on another page after BackStop did his test calling them out. Apparently the numbers in the box are with RL26 which they can’t get so they had to go with something slower
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
Had a look at the 6.8 Western load data. Unless I'm missing something, it looks more in line with the 6.5 Prc, not the 7. Even the Hodgdon load data stops at the 175s with a max load at 2,883fps. It doesn't even break 3k unless you're maxing out with a 150gr. Best I can tell, the 175s are the heaviest you can get in box ammo as well with Browning's 175s claiming 2835fps. Why is the 6.8 even coming up in a 7 Prc conversation?
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
If you stand on the 7mm PRC... it beats the 6.8 pretty easily. It's that 6.8 Western factory ammo outperforms the 7mm PRC factory ammo. One last thing... all the 6.8 Western reloaders I talk to get better velocity than the books without going over max.
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby The Hornady factory ammo. That's the same point someone else just made. The Hornady ammo being low like it is brings the 6.8 into the conversation but if you reload or use a different ammo the 6.8 stays out of the conversation. I was just looking at the Hodgdon 6.8 reloading data and at available box ammo. I have no doubt you can see different results real world. What I didn't see was anything over the 175s. Do the guys you know push 180s and 190s like the 7 does?
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
So little bullet options for 6.8 Western. Another benefit for 7mm PRC. The highest b.c. bullet is the 170 gr EOL.
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby Just looked at Midway and Midsouth and it seems that 175s are the heaviest you can get in .277?
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby .662? Is that the one you're talking about?
@ThemantleofElijah3 ай бұрын
To me the prc isn’t a gain at all over a regular 7 rem mag just another 7 mm caliber gun that almost duplicates a 7rem mag but with heavier bullets but not much heavier.
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Yep
@ThemantleofElijah3 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby I still love watching you guys shoot, I like the 6.8 western, haven’t bought one yet but what I see is awesome. Although I have a good 270 Winchester, I wanna try the 165 accubonds in it like you did, don’t know what kind of accuracy I’ll get mines a mossberg patriot
@ericthered72263 ай бұрын
If you had a fast twist Rem Mag and shot heavy bullets or of it, it would still out do the PRC.
@dankcincy3 ай бұрын
@@ericthered7226if, if, if...That's the point of the PRC isn't it? There is no if. Well...not "no if" thanks to Hornady nurfing their ammo, but the point still stands I think. Yeah, a custom a lot of things will out do a lot of things. If you're going full custom, there's better options than a Rem Mag.
@ericthered72263 ай бұрын
@@dankcincy , not custom. They're building fast twist 7 Rem Mags you can buy right over the counter. Just average Joe rifles. I know for a fact you buy a new 700 Remington with a 1:8. So, not if, if, if....
@awsomedude123456783 ай бұрын
Looks like the 270 win isn't as fudd as yall thought 😂 fast twist 270 looks like it could beat the 7prc
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Yep
@BeaterJeep3 ай бұрын
H1000 with a 180 books at 2900…… w/67.4 …… interesting you hit 2900 with 68. Conspiracy is dead 🤣
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
I've always said my rifle is slow
@dungeontales81173 ай бұрын
Say the line PRC fanboys! 😂
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
Hi Dungeon
@dungeontales81173 ай бұрын
@@ReloadingWeatherby 👋 As always really appreciate your vids. Hopefully the comments are gentler now that more evidence is surfacing!
@oblivionpro693 ай бұрын
@dungeontales8117 Don’t look at the reloading numbers 7 rem mag fanboy, it’ll twist those panties right up!
@ReloadingWeatherby3 ай бұрын
@@oblivionpro69 I'm no 7 mag fanboy... reality is often disappointing kzfaq.info5WHizUonx-Q?si=HGyrjgG0QBtRQiUk
@dungeontales81173 ай бұрын
@@oblivionpro69 lol 😆 Also I own a 7PRC. And so far, I'm very disappointed.
@MikeBrown-dq2ge2 ай бұрын
It's slow.as fxxxk😅😅
@user-ry7kj9hm3b2 ай бұрын
It’s not the caliber… it’s the rifle. They suck
@ReloadingWeatherby2 ай бұрын
The Fierce doesn't suck
@MikeBrown-dq2ge2 ай бұрын
It's junk....lol😅😅😅
@jamesgilcrease6863 ай бұрын
over priced 308
@user-ry7kj9hm3b2 ай бұрын
Fierce rifles suck. Carbon wrapp barrel are cheap and cracks . For the money buy something else.