Fighting games in a nutshell: "That is _bullshit,_ but I'll just play _one_ more match."

Now, I'm interested in seeing a "Rate the Bullshit" episode. I wanna hear about what bullshits a game has and how bad it is

My ultimate gripe with fighting games. Input reading AI. Every single fighting game has AI opponents, no matter what difficulty you're on, which input read your buttons to counter you immediately and force you to play in the lamest way possible to beat them, making you develop bad habits in the process that could cost you matches when fighting against real people.

I'm trying to listen to what Max is saying but all I can hear ringing in my head is "POWER STONE" "POWER STONE" "POWER STONE"

I like fighting games but they make me mad. So this is legit facts.

Other Fighting Games: Bullshit Guilty Gear Strive: 🔥BULLSHIT BLAZING!!!🔥

Take a shot every time he says “Bullshit” I can guarantee you’ll feel bullshit blazing afterwards 😅

When Max real talks about fighting games it is officially written down in the fighting game scriptures

Man, hearing Max talk positively about Skullgirls makes me wish he played it more...such a fantastic fighting game.

Max bringing that real Fatherhood talk. Mature Max is here

“Third strike is full of bullshit. My favorite fighting game of all time.” 😂😂😂

Glad to hear someone say "I picked this character because I think they look cool." It's easy to get caught up in tier lists and not even enjoy the game at all

HAPPY FATHERS DAY MAXIMILIAN!!! YOU THE BEST MAN

From the title I thought he was gonna say something like: "Guys... i actually don't like fighting games." That would be hilarious.

There's no type of game that makes me rage harder than fighting games.

It's interesting to me that Max brought up parries as an example of bullshit, as for me parries are anti-bullshit, as in whatever broken stuff your opponent tries to rely on if they use it too predictably then parries give you a way to even the playing field.

You know, you could have replace "fighting games" with "jobs" and have the same effect.

When a mechanic is named after the emotion you feel R A G E

Me:*loses one game against my friend* Me:

Combo breaking is what makes me love KI. I *hate* games with combos you can't answer, combo and counter breaks adds another layer while also alleviating not being able to play because you made a 1 frame mistake.

Tekken7's Bullshit: Just the realization that some characters are just built better. Characters who it's their job to jab, D/f+1, hopkick, and other low risk fundamental generic moves. When these characters do these moves however, they reach farther, they're more plus on hit, or they just have a built in benefit other characters don't really have. Meanwhile, gimmicky, mix up, characters with weaker fundamentals are the ones hated by the community. That's total bullshit.

Max: REAL TALK Me: REAL WATCH

As someone who is just happy to land a hadoken online, I am so lost on this lecture of fighting games but I watched the whole thing...thanks dood

Max on fighting games "this is bullshit crazy, still my heart is blazing"

That intro is and will always be fire 🔥

Max's talks like this are what help me continue playing fighting games. Stopped playing Fighterz to begin playing skullgirls and etc. and I feel a lot better even with all the bullshit

Dude this man just summarized my entire experience with dbzf in a 14 minute video

I suck at fighting games, so a lot of them for me are filled with BS, but I do thoroughly enjoy Dragon Ball FighterZ.

Ramlethal is the reason I started playing fighting games and the reason I bought a Fightstick to enjoy XRd2 even more. She is the only character I enjoy playing and I will practice her until I can do her combos blindfolded :D After that Imma play some Baiken as well...

I love these videos where Max just talks about fighting games with no game play to them! His passion and enthusiasm for the art of fighting games is so palpable that you feel energized just from listening to him talk! Keep up the great work

Max legit just explained how I feel about relationships.

i can totally agree on "pretty much just one character" thing. ive never been much of a Mortal Kombat fan, just kind of looked at what was going on once a new game came out. but when i saw Kollector's trailer for MK11, something in just went "i want to play this dude, i want to know!", it also helps that the over all gameplay seems even better than it was in MK10. i still need to grab a copy someday so i can give Kollector a go. (also its not like i dont like any other character, i do think Scorpion is cool, i guess i just dont find his moveset as interesting as i used to when i was a kid.)

everytime i hear someone say they want a balanced fighting game: so you dont want the game to be popular.

max is right, it really comes down to the IP at the end of the day. ive loved superhero comics and dbz all my life, so injustice, mvc, and fighterz are fighting games i have much more fun playing, whereas games like KI and granblue i dont have any attachment to so they dont really have the same lasting power for me. good fiction is a very powerful thing

Not having a character you vibe with in a fighting game can be friggin' rough. Like, "game ruined" rough. It was what made my early steps into BlazBlue incredibly difficult to overcome, to the point where I was just about ready to drop the whole series. My history with BlazBlue goes back as far as Continuum Shift Extend, but I never really got into it the same way I was vibing with Marvel Vs Capcom 2 and 3, my main games at the time. This only got worse when I picked up the game again about a half a year ago when I started playing fighting games again with a friend, because I just got into the worst kind of character-crisis imaginable. I just felt like there wasn't a solid "Fundamental" character, who didn't demand me to jump through 9 different hoops just to get what I wanted out of them. Everyone felt so gimmicky and that turned me off initially. Ironically enough, by the time I had finally reached the point when the game clicked, I was just back where I started. Early on, I adopted to Azrael and Hakumen as my top picks, but both felt uncomfortable due to that aformentioned need to play with esoteric mechanics just to use the characters. This spurred me onto a venture, where I ended up going through the entire cast almost and while I had fun with some characters, I didn't feel like there was a character I could say I got full milage out of, where I was frequently using their full kit. Then I just decided to pick up Azrael and Hakumen again and before I knew it, that was that. Whether I was just getting better at fighters period or cycling through the cast helped me understand BlazBlue's systems, I felt like I was finally playing with full intentionality and started having a blast with the game. Kinda makes me feel silly for going through a crisis to which an answer was sitting right in my face, but it's not like it was all bad, as I did find new characters to throw into the mix. Iron Tager and Platinum The Trinity are characters I'll pick when I wanna feel spicy and Izayoi is legit a solid tertiary to me, on the border of replacing Azrael as my secondary.

I would love it if Max would make a bullshit tier list of his most beloved and hated fighting games :)

Lol this actually gave me an idea for a fighting game with its own bs. Where every character has and offensive and defensive stance, and you’d have to switch back and forth. The switch would be like instant on a button push, no animation to get through or anything like that. I think if done right it could be really fun and have some crazy neutral.

Was playing injustice 1, hit my down 2 and lost to a scorpion teleport and the game counted his as a hit and mine chipped his health

The parry in Third Strike is the best mechanic is all fighting games IMO. Very few things in fight games says "I'm better than you" than well timed parries followed by attacks. It screams "I know what you're going to do and there's nothing you can do about it" and I love it. It's Neo one hand blocking Agent Smith's attacks in the hallway at the end of Matrix.

As much as I love fighting games since days of the arcade, I can put up with any BS mechanic or character but never... INFINITE COMBOS. Someone dare tell me that they love when they are on the receiving end

Do you know that this is my philosophy on relationship? Nobody perfect. You just got to find someone whose bullshit you can deal with.

God I needed this video. Perfectly timed sir! I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way when they playing fighting games.

Absolver had shit online in an online only game, a lack of content, and a pretty minimalist art style with a small color palette. But making my own fighting style and hearing the thunks with each hit connecting was enough for me to look past the garbage long enough to get some solid enjoyment

I play a lot of competitive games but I love fighting games the most and I'd say that bullshit is in every single game and as Max said, it's all about whether you find something you love enough to the point where you wanna continue playing the game anyway and find ways around it. Hell I would go further and this applies to a lot of single player too. There are a lot of games with repetitive side quests or too much grind or 1 strategy is obviously so much better than another but the question is if the stuff you like > stuff you don't like.

For me, it's Terry Bogard in Smash Ultimate.....I lose more than I win, but I'm loving the origin and gameplay of the character. Played lots of KoF 99 and 2000 back in the day.

Oh man where is Cinemassacre when you need em? haha

I’ve spent dozens if not 100 hours practicing my Yu Narukami in P4A only to get 0TD by Shadow Naoto in a second

PLEASE DO MORE Segments on “Bull**** “ this was a GREAT PIECE !!!!!!

Fighting games are like a fast-paced game of chess.

King of Fighters: Short Hops Samurai Shodown: Heavy Slash at the start of the round: [|||||||||||||] -> [|| ] Fatal Fury: ↙➡↘⬇↙⬅↘ + ⏺

I am one of the few people who likes to play SNK Heroines. I like the gameplay, it is like KOF 2003 but done well, also the use of items is unique BUT I think it could become even better. The BS is the small roster, seriously 80% of the roster is just KOF characters in a SNK fighting game.

This was a really great topic for Real Talk. However, with all your experience and knowledge of 3rd Strike I kinda wish you touched upon it more, though I do realize Ken has been your main and Ken is top 3 easily. - Man....if it wasn't for the parry mechanic....the fucking room of potential for ANY lower tier character in 3rd Strike to shine would be criminally low. It is already pretty low, but the parry mechanic really can allow for pure magic to happen at times. The power gap just between a Yun/Chun and ANY other character is fucking high. You have to really be 110% on point if you want to fight more seasoned players that are all about the high tiers. When you fight these veterans it's like you are FORCED to adapt to the playing field of top tier, or you're just screwed. It's so rare for even a mid tier character to survive in the trenches....because Yun's Genei Jin and Chun's buttons are just ridiculous. I don't find either character fun at all so I think it's sad that for over 20 years this has been the meta, and that there hasn't been some sort of effort on Capcom's end to create a 4th edition of SF3 that makes the game more "fair" and less bullshit. Apparently Iron Galaxy was planning on implementing a rebalance but scrapped it because of these 3rd Strike purists 🙄🙄🙄🙄 it would be so dope if we had a 4th version of SF3 by now that addresses all of the pure bullshit that is Yun and Chun.

I'm going to need an Alpha shirt now. That shirt is 🔥

After following Max for years, one thing I have learned. Max doesn't tap out on fighting games, fighting games tap out on him.

What is Blazblue Cross Tag BS: Tags and one hit combos!

This is how I am with fighterz. I’m someone who’s never played any other fighting games my whole life, and just by watching videos like yours combined with my natural dragon ball love, I taught myself that shit. Since I’ve never played a fighting game without super dash or vanish those things are normal to me, I can’t imagine fighting games without them low key lmao but I think if you love a series or game I agree you can definitely get past the frustrating parts. Thanks again for all the content and I hope everyone has a good day :)

Fighting games are fundamentally broken in the same way that sports games are. Developers know their fan bases and just milk em out like mobile platforms to take advantage of the cultures and make more money.

FGC on Super Dash: "LUL are you even 2H-ing? There's a built in counter to SD you scrub!" When Max says it: "You tell them Max! Super Dash is bullshit!"

For Honor is my favourite fighting game. Sure it’s not a head to head fighting game like most fighters but I love it. This video made me realise how much I actually do love the game, and how and why I put up with its bullshit.

Gigas mains when they got spat right in the face after the release of Leroy: Yeah, you guys still remain in the sewers. We didn't do anything about the gentle giant. Sorry about that. But check out this sick guy we just released. Just look at how easy he gets it. Switch to him maybe? Because we certainly aren't addressing your main anytime in the future.

To me, every time bullshit waives me off a game I end up wishing it hadn't, even if I'm right about what isn't great about it. I guess I'm saying playing games is more fun than not playing games. Crazy eh

This is all facts, every fighting game in general has bullshit. If you love the game enough you’ll adapt to it

How in the hell did Smash not get in on this video. That game is basically "Shenanigans The Fighting". I mean sheesh it would take me a seminar to discuss Smash's, complete with character flowcharts and jank analysis.

Everyone else: *Celebrating father's day* Max: I SHALL RELEASE MY RAGE UPON THY FIGHTETH GAMES

Is there an official song for his opening ? Its amazing

Fighting games are like the WWE franchise. It's entertainment but you still need to train and practice for those moments of glory.

I really appreciate the statement of "Bullshit you just don't like" I've been getting into Fighterz alot lately and my friend keeps telling me that SuperDash isn't that bad. And maybe he's right, but imo, I just don't enjoy dealing with that shit and that's ok

I love hearing Max talking about all these different kinds of fighters with the pros and cons

Happy Father's Day, dood! You're gonna be a great dad!

My Favorite type of fighting games Are the crazy hyper bs kind

As a game designer, these are the challenges we face as how likeable a character can become to you, this is key to develop engage in a person and how likely they will become your fan base. In a fighting game thats crucial also, the personality needs to get out of the screen. Like League of legends for example.

I feel like the bullshit meter and surpassing it can apply to almost every game. An example is something like Zelda BotW's weapon durability - You force yourself to adapt to inventory management because you don't want it to degrade from everything else the game has to offer that you enjoy, like it's exploration

The arcade versions of MK2 and Ultimate MK3....THE BULLSHITTIEST of them all.

Nail on the head 😂👍 everytime I play new game, especially when I jump online, I always end up shouting bullshit sooner rather than later 😂

A character clicking is such, SUCH a good feeling. I hate 1 hit confirm, hate counter only combo so I use universal combos. Then there's Tsubaki 6C route, makes me learn to confirm CH.

Smash bros Ultimate. Period. This whole video is exactly the phase I'm going through with it rn. I kinda see a lot of the community going through that as well cuz there is so much complaining about the game

08:40 exactly!!! This is exactly why I couldnt get into Soul Calibur/Blade/Edge for the longest. Literally none of the characters stood out to me. I just had to just up and buy 6 and find a character that I sort of think is cool. I just ended up playing Maxi due to his cool super but now that Haohmaru is in (I'm an SNK fan so it makes sense), I FINALLY have a character for this iteration at least.

Definitely the sound of a person about to be a father. I have to stay with my favorite game, its just not enough time to master gameplay of newer fighting games. Welcole to the being a dad club Max!

You mentioning about not finding that one character in Granblue reminds me of I how feel about Blazblue. I'm no pro by any means, but I love Bang for his character and play style; there's something that's so satisfying when you're low on health, activate FRKZ overdrive [which causes the in-game music to change into an awesome power-ranger-like theme. On top of that, when you have low health, Bang does a special longer activation animation to build up the hype/fail to follow], and perform a full FRKZ combo into super. For me it's always fun to watch, receiving or giving imo. His bumpers give him even more options on top of his options. I wuv options. At the same time, I really don't care much for a majority of the other characters; they just never really appealed to me and some of them just annoy me personality-wise. Bang has horrible defensive options cuz his parries are flawed and he doesn't have a quick, reliable anti-air that doesn't require meter. His pressure game can also be easily snuffed out if you know his strings. His limited supply of nail/projectiles is also a thing. Fighting Nu/Lambda/Arakune/Nine/Mai sucks. Some online matches are quite horrendous, lag-wise, for me. Even then though, I still find myself going back to the game to play casually, cuz all the character/general options you have make the match interesting. My god does it feel good to have 5 options for ground oki [back, quick, neutral, forward, delayed] and 4 options for air oki [back, neutral, forward, delayed]; keeps the opponent guessing, and if you're lucky enough, you can catch them off guard. I love neutral Astrals (though I rarely use em) cuz it throws in fear into the equation; since Bang's astral is unblockable, as soon as some people see the red astral flash, they lock up and block when all they need to do is crouch or jump to dodge. Depending on the character, you can do cross-unders as well for extra confusion. ...wtf did I write all this? I nunno. I'll send it anyway lol. Interesting insight as always Max. Love your channel!

Lmao the last few jump force players are going to use this to convince themselves to keep playing that terrible game

imagine this: you have the determination and you find a cool character to main but you dont have the patience to overcome the mechanics / gameplay BS :( thats what happens to me, i love fighting games, the thing is that i cant overcome the BS, sorry

For a while, about a year and half tbh, Juri is the sole reason I played SFV from launch all the way to Arcade Edition. I liked Mika and Karin a lot too. But Juri was so tough to play for so long, that it wasn't enough to put up with the game's bs. Similarly, I loved KI so much but online and people's over aggressive habits put me off playing it long term. Hell, for as much as I love Tekken, its netplay puts me off most of the time, but I love the game offline and with friends.

Man I feel like the amount of weed and cigs I smoke skyrockets when I play fighting games in general, whether I win or lose. Adrenaline man.

I’m a big fan of Baikens “character design” too 😏😏😏

new drinking game, one shot for everytime max says "boolsheet"

I agree here! Though to add complexity, I introduce the *Bulls#!t Barrier* : one's innate resistance toward seemingly unfair or crippling or bothersome aspects. The higher your Bulls#!t Barrier, the more persistent you are at wanting to learn, master and generally enjoy online matches, let alone games period~ 'Breaking' the barrier refers to reaching a ragequit or similar exclamation of ire, exhaustion and aggravation that makes you stop playong for an extended period of time.

I love being able to break combos in KI and when people break my combos and we are going back and forth that shit is hype! Lol hate when I just have to sit there until the combo is over in other games

Max: *talks about enjoying online even if its bad* *looks at smash bros ultimate online* If only....

I mentioned this video to my friends only by reading the title and they said "of course they are."

What i learned is that fighting games are like being married to someone. There is alot of bullshit but you get past it because you love the person

The gameplay in Soul Calibur VI would be perfect if they got rid of reversal edge, got rid of soul charge (or nerfed it heavily at least) nerf how quickly meter builds, and not map CE to 1 button. Press A+B+K simultaneously so it can't be used as a panic button.

Every game has that bs level.i know when i've hit it cos i turn it off.

"Even if I get good at this...do I wanna deal with this at high level play?" PREACHING TO THE CHOIR. Say it louder for people in the back, Max.

Tbh my biggest problem with fighting games is that you can't enjoy them casually, sometimes I just want to train my muscle memory without going having to go super sweaty against some tryhard. excluding smash, smash is a casual game.

The only game I play is Tekken and online makes me rage for some reason. In real life I never get angry at anything I'm very laid back and have a lot of patience. Then I play Tekken at night and things change. No idea why, it's not in my character but it happens.

Fun challenge: Each time he says bullshit you take a shot of water just to keep you hydrated

Here comes the spicy hot take from max. Let's see where this rabbit hole goes.

Honestly the thing what makes me hate fighting games the most nowadays is having to pay for each and every character in DLC what's worth a damn.

Holy shit that is too true. Even tho smash bros is my favorite game of all time, I’ve had to force myself off for weeks at a time because of how frustrating it is. Ever since covid, I’ve had to rely on online, and my family doesn’t let me use wired connection because they think it sucks up all the good internet. But I’m willing to sit through the piss poor connection for the occasional 0-death or hard ass read. Except I main the heavies, and there are lots of Sonics, Pikachus, and Palutenas more than ready to thoroughly whoop my ass

Gato from Garou is the only fighting game character I've ever loved. He is my perfect fighting game character. Everything I want. I can still SSS rank the SNK boss, and completely body any friend who plays me. ...poor Gato. Stuck with Roc Howard in a timeline SNK isn't interested in. =/