Figure 8 Fishing Knots: In Depth Analysis for Loop, Dropper and Stopper Knots

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Fishing Discoveries

Fishing Discoveries

Күн бұрын

If you're using a water knot or surgeon's knot for loops and droppers prepare to have your line strength increased significantly!!!
The figure 8 knot is one of the strongest replacements for the water and surgeon's knots and takes almost no time to learn (the first step of tying is the same as the water/surgeon's knot).
For more information on the "Ladder Leader" check out this article: fishingdiscoveries.com/ladder...
Intro: 00:00
Figure 8 for loops: 04:03
Figure 8 for droppers: 08:11

Пікірлер: 49
@gino1031
@gino1031 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video Sir, thank you! My favorite knot to join two lines is a double uni knot. I've had hooks bend with a double uni knot; very, very strong. You should try it one day.
@peterheath8024
@peterheath8024 3 жыл бұрын
Nicely explained John. That is something I will be using in the future.
@johnpearson138
@johnpearson138 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter. If you’re using it at the end of your braid for lure fishing (like we did) with a trace the double turn version is best on the braid.
@lathkiller
@lathkiller 3 жыл бұрын
Nice one JP thanks.
@user-eb6sb9xi7h
@user-eb6sb9xi7h 5 ай бұрын
Well explained, great knot. My favourite knot for joining two lines is a back-to-back nail knot or back-to-back uni knot, but figure eight works well. Tight lines and fair winds.
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@leewaggers4733
@leewaggers4733 Жыл бұрын
Superb video, thanks John 👍
@kerryjordan7746
@kerryjordan7746 9 ай бұрын
You can also form a dropper by looping the tippet back on itself and tying the figure 8. You then cut the loop so that you have one short end for the dropper and a longer length for the point fly.
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 9 ай бұрын
Great for when it's windy (so you don't lose/drop the separate, cut pieces of line when you try to join two together for droppers).
@SensitivityIsland
@SensitivityIsland 10 ай бұрын
Cheers bud. Twists with your fingers was v useful!
@gulamhoosendocrat7091
@gulamhoosendocrat7091 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation , pal !! Your a star !!!!
@app48
@app48 7 сағат бұрын
I must give those knots a try! What loop knots would you recommend on very strong salmon leaders, say up to 40lb bs?
@donb3557
@donb3557 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent teaching skills and very well covered. Liked and subscribed👍
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Don
@craigwheaton2506
@craigwheaton2506 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant, going to be my new go to .. old eyes
@raymondtucker312
@raymondtucker312 3 жыл бұрын
Very useful and clear explanation. Thank you!
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Raymond, glad you found it useful :) Paul
@DBCooper2
@DBCooper2 2 жыл бұрын
Very clear and in depth explanation - thanks
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome D B and many thanks for your generous comment. Paul.
@plakatdragon
@plakatdragon 3 жыл бұрын
That's a good piece of advice! I'll definitely use it... Next year, most probably...
@johnpearson138
@johnpearson138 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Thomas 😁
@neilmcghee1016
@neilmcghee1016 3 жыл бұрын
This is really useful! I will definitely be using it! Tx
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks Neil 😁
@bobbaker6495
@bobbaker6495 3 жыл бұрын
You're amazing! You got yourself a sub today! You are incredibly detailed and I love that!!! Thank you so much, hope you're doing well!
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Bob - we're really glad you found the level of detail valuable (it doesn't always play well on Social Media haha).
@techmick1399
@techmick1399 6 ай бұрын
Hi, Super video, well done! I agree that the figure of eight and the double figure of eight are by far the strongest loop knots. I use them quite often. But the three turn water knot is still a good fishing knot which has around 70 to 80% of the tensile strength of the monofil it is tied in. Are you sure that it only has 50%? Then - of course - it makes sense to use the FO8 instead, because this knot is as easy to tie and has the advantage of much more strength.
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 5 ай бұрын
It may well vary somewhat between tippet material but even when using the correct leg of the knot for the dropper (the one pointing towards the point fly, not the leg pointing towards the rod) we saw reductions to around 50 to 60% of the un-knotted breaking strain for the three turn water knot.
@jorvikangler
@jorvikangler 3 жыл бұрын
As I've never used the double figure 8 knot I had a go comparing the single and double figure 8 knot on various mono. I was surprised that the double is stronger in diameters below 0.28-0.32mm depending on the make. You're right about it being stronger than the water knot, which I've always used, for joining lines. Thanks for the info. I also tried in on thinner braids, but came to no conclusion as the braid snapped anywhere but the knot.
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 3 жыл бұрын
That's what we like to see! Some proper, independent testing! :) Paul
@jorvikangler
@jorvikangler 3 жыл бұрын
@@FishingDiscoveries You see so many claims that this knot is he strongest that I like to test it myself.
@noneofyoudamnbuisness2608
@noneofyoudamnbuisness2608 2 жыл бұрын
Ff here. We use the double 8 with spylar rope. Use the that knot fishing. My go to knot. Usually with a bite
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 2 жыл бұрын
Nice.
@stuartmarriott8056
@stuartmarriott8056 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant information. I just need the one one the rabbit ears for the droppers on a ladder!
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 3 жыл бұрын
Stuart, the full demo will be in the new nymphing book (and comes with a free step by step video), but the short answer is that I treat the dropper loop like the eye of a hook and tie a Pitzen knot at the apex of that loop. If I can I use the trimmed tag of tippet material from my fig 8 knot to tie the Pitzen. Trimming it down leaves nice "v" shaped stubs. Paul.
@betachannelfishing
@betachannelfishing Жыл бұрын
Very good.
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Paul
@tkhong1940
@tkhong1940 Жыл бұрын
A time well spent. now i stick to f8
@pakde8002
@pakde8002 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the best explanation of the figure of eight loop knot. I've always used the double or triple surgeon's knot when making dropper rigs for surf fishing and while my knot didn't look quite the same as the knots used with ready made rigs, it worked well enough so I didn't look any further. I will definitely try this knot and test it against my other loop knots. One question, I see a lot of people online, especially from Australia and South Africa, tying hooks with what they call a figure of eight but they are able to cinch their knots up tight to the hook or swivel. Surely it's a different knot? Your figure of eight is clearly a loop knot, not a cinching knot so you are correct, there are many ways to form a figure of eight type knot online aside from the climbing knots so no wonder a lot of anglers are confused.
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the cool feedback, I'll have to look into the Australian and South African examples... Paul
@obliqueangler
@obliqueangler 3 жыл бұрын
Thank You for the video article! I could do some testing myself but perhaps you already have. How does the double figure 8 compare to a Perfection Loop with 3X or smaller tippet? How does the single or double figure 8 compare to Blood Knots for building tapered leaders and long fluorocarbon Tenkara lines?
@johnpearson138
@johnpearson138 3 жыл бұрын
For building tapered lines the blood knot is best I find - so much smaller and neater when tied right - plus you don’t need to worry about compromised breaking strain until you get right to the join with the tippet. I’ve often used a perfection loop at the end of a tapered leader of around 6lb and used a fig.8 loop on the tippet when joining them loop to loop. It’s the tippet where you’re usually looking to preserve the most breaking strain as that’s usually the thinnest/weakest part of the whole setup.
@47flyfisher
@47flyfisher 3 жыл бұрын
I've always used a perfection loop on pre-tied droppers, but don't know how that compares to a figure 8 loop. What's your opinion on the perfection loop?
@johnpearson138
@johnpearson138 3 жыл бұрын
It really depends on the thickness and material. For example, on a factory tapered leader I don’t mind a perfection loop at the thick end (which could be something like 20lb to 25lb). In that scenario (with very thick line) the perfection loop is a little “neater” than a fig.8 and strength isn’t really an issue as the taper will be way weaker at the thinner end so whatever knot you use on the thick end is fine. For a loop to loop join at the thinner end of a tapered leader or any other loop in thinner (let’s say, sub 12lb) lines, I’d always go for a fig.8 knot. The only way to be sure though is to do the test I mention in the video... tie a perfection loop in one end of a length of line then tie the fig.8 at the other end and pull for a break to see which wins. Don’t forget to try both versions of the fig.8 and definitely don’t forget to moisten those knots before pulling tight!
@47flyfisher
@47flyfisher 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnpearson138 Thank you.
@geoffoconnell5423
@geoffoconnell5423 2 ай бұрын
Can I use this knot for joining lengths of leader rather than a blood knot
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries 2 ай бұрын
Yes, I would recommend the version shown for creating droppers and trimming the ends short. As long as there isn’t a huge difference in diameter between the pieces you are joining it should be stronger than a blood knot.
@adventureswithfrodo2721
@adventureswithfrodo2721 Жыл бұрын
I tied the single and double turn knot in 4lb line and it broke VERY EASILY.
@FishingDiscoveries
@FishingDiscoveries Жыл бұрын
Interesting - how does that compare to your regular knots in that line?
@adventureswithfrodo2721
@adventureswithfrodo2721 2 жыл бұрын
You haven't done a very good search.
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