How To Kill An Iconic Character

How To Kill An Iconic Character - Chris Gore

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@filmcourage 3 жыл бұрын

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@fellowcitizen 3 жыл бұрын

An off-topic lead: I'm just watching a really interesting interview from Steve Paikin CBC about 'Beans': 'Tracey Deer: Telling Indigenous Narratives Through Film'

@UrMomsChauffer 3 жыл бұрын

I'm curious if Mr. Gore believes that the current audience is partially to blame for the way movies are handled by studios. I watched the video on 99% of movies being garbage, and wholeheartedly agreed.

@richardcall7447 3 жыл бұрын

You seem to have missed one of the PRIMARY reasons why 99% of movies today are garbage. CULTURAL MARXISM!

@StardustX24 3 жыл бұрын

Chris nailed this 100%

@HankMeyer 3 жыл бұрын

Kind of like Newt's and Hicks's uncerimonious deaths in between Aliens & Alien 3. Lame.

@GOBIAS.INDUSTRIES. 3 жыл бұрын

After Han died, I literally felt the slap in my face when Leia hugged Rey before even acknowledging Chewy...

@Sol5Tice5921 3 жыл бұрын

lol

@gix2lee 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly how I felt. I couldn’t believe it! So many unbelievable things where happening that not a lot of people noticed but I did and it was heartbreaking.

@melodysdanceoff 3 жыл бұрын

Some dip shit at the Star Wars story group wrote the explanation for Leia going to Rey and not Chewie and its because Rey represents the orphans of Alderaan... I kid you not.

@greenmonsterprod 3 жыл бұрын

Even more, I understand they actually filmed a scene for TLJ of Luke mourning Han's death, but they cut the scene out.

@melodysdanceoff 3 жыл бұрын

@@greenmonsterprod they cut it out to make room for a your momma joke and a drunk goblin using BB8 as a slot machine.

@andrewstout5400 3 жыл бұрын

"This Franchise is in the wrong hands" - could be the shortest best condensed review of Disney's work Ive heard yet.

@LV-1969 3 жыл бұрын

Sad part is I had hope because of the marvel movies

@Youllpayforthat 3 жыл бұрын

ive heard that from children 5 years ago, who is this and why does this even mean anything special?

@RogueWolfArtist 3 жыл бұрын

Ironically, the most well-handled death in my mind is Tony Stark.

@Maxisamo1 3 жыл бұрын

You'd think they'd have a plan or something, but instead they just threw shit at a wall hoping it would just work out

@RogueWolfArtist 3 жыл бұрын

@@Maxisamo1 - I get the approach, and plenty of long form stories of turned out great with little in the creator’s foresight; but it’s exponentially better to lay out the story’s skeleton. Rain Johnson in a way did this with Last Jedi as he took his time developing what would realistically happen with in the context of all that was canon up to that point.

@THEODSTKING117 Жыл бұрын

I just think it’s insane that Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie never shared one frame together in the entirety of the sequel trilogy. That’s what stings the most to me. They had one opportunity to have those characters be together again and they didn’t even try

@souperstar7050 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. I've said the same thing. What a waste.

@deanmartinassociation Жыл бұрын

Jurassic World Dominion got some bad criticism, but they treated Jurassic Park's legacy characters with respect and actually had them together side by side, true to themselves and each other.

@KevyNova Жыл бұрын

They didn’t even bring Lando in until Luke, Leia and Han were all dead.

@seanelstob5922 Жыл бұрын

They kept the OT characters apart so thoroughly, I had a theory that in the sale of SW to Disney, Lucas stipulated contractually that in any sequels, the 3 main characters could never be onscreen together. As I say, it’s just a theory but I could never rationalise why they wouldn’t take the opportunity to reunite everyone on screen while still alive.

@KevyNova Жыл бұрын

@@seanelstob5922they didn’t even have the new main three characters together until the third movie. I think Rey and Poe didn’t even meet until the end of the second one. The makers of these films just don’t understand that we can’t bond with the characters if they’re not bonding with each other.

@radboy707 Жыл бұрын

Most shocking to me was how Disney killed off Admiral Ackbar. He was a veteran commander, he led the defense of his home world, Mon Cala during the Clone Wars, and then masterminded the rebel attack on the second Death Star at the Battle of Endo. The guy (fish) was a damn HERO and he is dismissed and killed off screen so they can introduce an unknown Vice-Admiral Holdo. I believe the mission was to eliminate(without fanfare) the established beloved characters and replace them with new, more shallow ones. Doesn't seem to have gone over too well.

@EpicJoshua314 Жыл бұрын

It wasn’t Disney, it was Rian Johnson who killed off Ackbar

@user-ed4fv9nd3b Жыл бұрын

Even worse was how they put the actor. Tim Rose in tears after being unceremoniously given his pink slip along with a bad pun and a cheap cardboard Millennium Falcon.

@notreallymyname3736 Жыл бұрын

You're absolutely right. Holdo was an insultingly unnecessary character. Akbar was an established, trusted admiral, and if any naval officer had to sacrifice themselves in a huge way, it should've been him. He deserved to have the acknowledgement that he honorably went down with his ship instead of a 4 second cut scene and an explosion.

@Serrifin Жыл бұрын

@@notreallymyname3736 I didn’t hate the character of Holdo, because even if it felt bad they were moving characters to the background, or just killing them off, at least the new characters were going to matter for more than one movie, right?!

@faultyinterface Жыл бұрын

@@user-ed4fv9nd3b I didn't hear about this, could you explain?

@malbowz1257 3 жыл бұрын

Not only did they botch up Han Solo's death, they assassinated his character by making him a deadbeat dad with a failed marriage and regression from general back to smuggler.

@AndreNitroX 3 жыл бұрын

Yes. In the EU Han was still a mess but he never went back on his character growth

@jayce9206 3 жыл бұрын

I mean he became those things after trauma then came back and reverted every one before his death which I think plays well into the type of flawed but triumphant character he was

@garym6315 3 жыл бұрын

They were determined to make that film a soft reboot, and reset everything back to A New Hope. Any and all progression was lost. In addition to the characters, the whole political state of the universe was reset. I feel sorry for folk like Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau who now need to try to come up with logical reasons and explanations for that.

@sackofpeas2470 3 жыл бұрын

@@jayce9206 The trauma that came from his son wiping out the Jedi because his uncle tried to murder him in his sleep because he felt he was "beyond saving". The same man who believed space hitler still had an ounce of good left in him, contemplates murdering his nephew because he senses darkness in him. At the same time Han showed in the oridge tridge that he wouldn't abandon his friends and those counting on him, yet he abandons his post and all those that looked to him for guidance in their hour of need against the rising First Order. Leia remains staunchly at her post, but she never had to prove herself as she was committed to the cause from the moment we were introduced to her, while Han has his entire character growth erased only to end up with him having a stupid death.

@real_Nadventures 3 жыл бұрын

another example they play for us of toxic masculinity. GO WOKE - GO BROKE.

@harryhoffer9804 3 жыл бұрын

"The way Han Solo was treated is offensive to me" amen, brother.

@mauroalves317 3 жыл бұрын

ileft the cinema after solo died of how bad it was !!most offensive was they add rey that just meet han to cry for him? too bad!!!

@GrAYvTrAnE 3 жыл бұрын

same same

@Zavitor 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if they didn't spend much effort on his death because of how eager Harrison Ford was to leave that role behind once and for all, since he despised playing the character.

@Muck006 3 жыл бұрын

Luke was killed before he was dead ... and his murderesses are called Kathleen Kennedy and "rampant feminism".

@PAGrunt 3 жыл бұрын

@@Zavitor He couldn't have hated it that bad. Granted they probably backed a Brinks truck up to his house...but he came back in ROS

@Glitch969 Жыл бұрын

Han being put into Carbon Freeze in ESB was treated with MUCH more respect than his actual death.

@wacokid30 Жыл бұрын

The fact that we never get to see Luke Skywalker react to the death of his lifelong friend Han Solo is unforgivable.

@liamphibia Жыл бұрын

Actually Luke did have a reaction to his best friend's death... In a deleted scene!

@gippy101 3 жыл бұрын

It’s a disgrace Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie didn’t even have a single scene together in the sequels

@BPond7 3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps THE most egregious sin in cinema history.

@JetEngine787 3 жыл бұрын

Criminal

@redicanprime1181 3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah... they made sure they didn't meet up. No one could compare to them.

@DeathBringer769 3 жыл бұрын

There's a quote from Kennedy or another higher-up saying something similar to "We can't have these old characters stealing the scenes from the newer characters." They literally had a pre-established agenda from high up that they wanted to kill off the characters (both literally and figuratively) to "make room" for the newer characters. That's how insecure they were about the quality of the writing and portrayal of their newer characters. They wanted to assassinate the character of the older characters (like how they ruined Luke's character,) and/or flat-out kill them off, to ensure the newer characters would shine more. And it ended up just making the whole thing stink rather than improving the newer characters anyway. Very counter-productive. This is likely why they intentionally *never* had all the main powerhouse characters from the old trilogy all have a scene together. They were too worried it would take away attention from their newer characters or make people just care more about the old (we already cared more about the old anyway though, regardless, so they failed there too.)

@andyjcurtis 3 жыл бұрын

The Bch betrayed us all. Fmism at its best

@leftyfourguns 3 жыл бұрын

"How to kill an iconic character" Sell it to a billion dollar corporation

@TekkLuthor 3 жыл бұрын

Put this on t-shirt

@christopherdrohan8245 3 жыл бұрын

*don't*

@thelaughingfoxx 3 жыл бұрын

Put it on a t-shirt with Disney font

@lewstone5430 3 жыл бұрын

Too late, I stole the idea and am selling t-shirts now.

@Jakommo 3 жыл бұрын

and put a clueless woman into general director position

@_Amilio_ 2 жыл бұрын

Han Solo's death was a metaphor for how Disney killed the Star Wars franchise

@AS-fu1kd Жыл бұрын

And everything else they get their greasy paws on

@TBass050 Жыл бұрын

Kylo in that moment was like the franchise… okay, they’re teetering on good, where does this go? And then completely overtaken by the dark side. New blood destroyed what we liked about the originals.

@yankoelgueta1116 Жыл бұрын

@@AS-fu1kd their disgusting filthy fat greedy paws

@Oblithian Жыл бұрын

I would be ashamed to bear the name Disney, and Disney's heirs should be pissed off about the tarnishing of their literal name.

@toxic_revenant3 Жыл бұрын

Which they’ve been actively doing with Marvel now ever since Endgame.

@mattclassics 2 жыл бұрын

Spock's death is also great because it ties in so much of the Spock story in those simple words, "I have been, and always shall be, your friend," which brings to the audience not just all the adventures, but also the whole story of Spock and his relationship with emotion and the very idea of friendship. It's perfect.

@ankaris5129 Жыл бұрын

Message Spock? None that I am aware of except, Happy Birthday, surely the best of times.

@thecluuchannel4705 Жыл бұрын

Emotionally compromised

@greenflagracing7067 Жыл бұрын

I don't remember anyone thinking he would be brought back to life in the next movie.

@seriousmaran9414 11 ай бұрын

After the original series movies they should have moved on. Recasting has not worked well. Mostly because the scripts/directing have been disappointing.

@cleekmaker00 7 ай бұрын

@@ankaris5129 "Were I to infer Logic, Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the Many outweighs the needs of the Few." "Or the One." "You are my Superior Officer. You are also my Friend. I have been, and always shall be, Yours."

@Bezzell_Rocket 3 жыл бұрын

Han's meaningless death was completely intentional. They turned him into a loser bad husband and Dad. Into a swindler and a cheat, not a smuggler who was late on one payment because he got boarded and was busy saving the galaxy. Then they chucked him down a hole like garbage so Rey could steal his ship and his best friend. Horrible.

@19megamustaine85 3 жыл бұрын

well blame Harrison Ford, he had the power to say no, but he wanted to die so blame him too !

@IndyDefense 3 жыл бұрын

@@19megamustaine85 No, blame the writers. They didn't have to give him the death they did. And they could've had him reunite with Luke and Leia for at least one scene before he died.

@19megamustaine85 3 жыл бұрын

@@IndyDefense like i said Ford could say no but hi didn't .

@MrKodachii 3 жыл бұрын

@@19megamustaine85 He wanted to die off yes agreed, but HOW it was done is what the problem is.

@DemoDick1 3 жыл бұрын

They literally hit the reset button on Han in TFA. When we first meet him in Ep1 he’s a shady, shallow, self-interested smuggler with only one actual friend who initially abandons those who need him and only changes at the last minute. By ROTJ he’s become an admirable, selfless leader who gets in the fight and risks his own ass for what is right. He had become someone else. Someone better. Someone noble and admirable. Then we get to TFA and he’s right back to being a selfish, self-interested smuggler again (also an absentee father/husband) and is dispatched in a meaningless way that’s only designed to make the audience feel shocked and saddened. Well, we were indeed shocked and saddened. Not that Han died, but that the filmmakers did it with ZERO respect and understanding for a character that millions grew up loving. If the Disney sequels had any balls at all we would have seen elements of the EU in the movies. Leia becomes a beloved political figure who eventually becomes hated when her parentage is discovered, for example. So much wasted potential.

@diegoreynoso8730 3 жыл бұрын

Send this video to the guys that killed John Connor in the last Terminator movie. Couldn't believe they killed one of the most important characters in the saga.

@DarrenJSeeley 3 жыл бұрын

I always thought if they wanted to 'kill' John Connor from the franchise, then they should do it, but not in the cheap way they did. It would have more meaning and gravitas if the character died to save the life of the "new hero" of the resistance. In a way, it's also passing the torch.

@diegoreynoso8730 3 жыл бұрын

@@DarrenJSeeley A last movie as a protagonist to say goodbye.

@IdiotinGlans 3 жыл бұрын

It was what, third time at that point? Terminator is a mess

@jandeenphoto 3 жыл бұрын

The worst treatment of a franchise ever.

@diegoreynoso8730 3 жыл бұрын

@@jandeenphoto Indeed

@princesse0920 2 жыл бұрын

My dad was both a Star Trek fan and a Star Wars fan. When Spock died, I remember it always gave him chills and made him tear up a bit. When Han died, I think he was so pissed off he just sat there in silence and disbelief.

@constancemiller3753 Жыл бұрын

My son said "he KILLED HAN SOLO. Turn it off" and walked out of the room. He only came back for Mandalorian.

@Thornbloom Жыл бұрын

About as much as NJO dropping a moon on Chewie.

@ghekor Жыл бұрын

@@Thornbloom Say what you will but Chewie went out like a boss in that book, saved a whole bunch of people and died a true hero...

@bryanstillman2125 2 жыл бұрын

Rogue One's two lead characters were not iconic by any stretch, but I felt like Rogue One was the best-written of all of the Disney Star Wars movies, and I really appreciated the emotional effect the deaths of those two characters had on me. It felt necessary for the story to resonate with the audience.

@BethelAbba 2 жыл бұрын

And yet now comes the news that they're going to do a Rogue One "Prequel" ..... to milk that one-shot movie. To me, Rogue One was one of the finest post-Lucas Star Wars moments. It told an insular story that had a complete beginning, middle and end. It was masterfully done, well acted.... and we knew the stakes were high the moment things took off. The fact that noone survived only added to the brilliance and beauty of it. Now Disney wants to take a complete dump on it and milk that one as well.... just to see what kind of $$$$$ they can pick from our pockets. Not only am I outraged and saddened by this.... I've come to see that it completely cheapens what was actually beautiful about it in the first place: A non-modern hollywood movie that held merit on it's own. Imagine if Hollywood had tried to do a "Prequel" to The Maltese Falcon.... or worse.... Casablanca????? How horrid that would be.

@MooKyTig 2 жыл бұрын

I doubt most people could name a single character in Rogue One, except for Vader. I can't.

@BethelAbba 2 жыл бұрын

@@MooKyTig You forgot the CGI Leia that shows up at the end.... Suffice, I could probably name all of them, but K2S0 stands out because I am a HUGE Alan Tudyk fan and follow him everywhere he goes. (You'd be surprised at where this man has turned up!!!) That said, you're right... most people forget the characters because they all died... and simply remember that it's a pretty good movie.

@peterw8835 2 жыл бұрын

@@BethelAbba I love that droid but I never remember his name, he is just the murder droid voiced by what’s his name, right him! I cannot remember the names of the two Chinese actors and Jiang Wen is one of my favorite actors. He is just Guy with the big gun.

@julietvalcouer Жыл бұрын

I was just relieved the a-holes were dead. I would have been fine with just killing Jyn and Cassian, actually, the others felt cheap just for the shake of shock. The movie could have won back my respect if they'd left Cassian dead in his fakeout and then just had Krennic shoot Jyn in the back without her pointless "I am the child of that annoying bitch who couldn't follow directions and your ex-chief engineer whom my new friends kind of killed sorta-intentionally sorta-by-accident" speech. Krennic's the only character in the movie I have any sympathy for.

@earlofdoncaster5018 3 жыл бұрын

Disney also degraded Han before they killed him en-passant. They turned him into a worthless deadbeat dad.

@MALICEM12 3 жыл бұрын

Happened to alot of Harrison Ford's characters unfortunately

@map3384 3 жыл бұрын

It’s the feminist narrative in all areas of society to destroy the strong moral character. Make him look like a fool who doesn’t take his responsibilities serious.

@elzoog 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, didn't they learn from Vietnam that it's supposed to be death BEFORE dishonor, not the other way around?

@danmccann8813 3 жыл бұрын

Additionally, in Solo, they devalued his character for being a great pilot and the Kessel Run honor he held by making it more about the virtue signaling robot's data core being integrated into the Falcon's Nava computer. It was subtle but it's there.

@misterpinkandyellow74 3 жыл бұрын

How is he a deadbeat dad you moron?

@marychocolatefairy 3 жыл бұрын

That was a great point about Han dying like a villain. I remember Mark Hamill complaining that he didn't get a reaction, and he said something like, "I get that there might not have been enough time to show it... but they somehow had enough time to show me drinking green milk???"

@trevorgardiner-hardy8211 2 жыл бұрын

That’s what got me, Chewy kicks his door in and Luke asks him ‘Where’s Han’ and they cut away to a different scene. I almost walked out of the cinema right then!

@ebaugh7320 2 жыл бұрын

@@trevorgardiner-hardy8211 Did you now?

@ebaugh7320 2 жыл бұрын

Ooh, sounds like an excuse

@82dorrin 2 жыл бұрын

Compare Luke's death with Iron Man's When Iron Man died in Endgame, it was powerful and emotional. You felt a genuine sense of loss. There were literally tears in peoples' eyes during the funeral. This was a character we'd gotten to know over ten-plus years of films. We were invested in him. Tony Stark died like a true hero, saving the whole damn universe! That's how Luke's death should have made us feel. Instead, people just felt confused. "Huh. Okay. That happened, I guess..."

@rouninpanda6318 2 жыл бұрын

@@82dorrin I didn't even understand Luke's death. Like he died from overusing the Force or something? It was as meaningless as Han's death. They turned both characters into parodies of their former selves, while Leia was stiff as a board.

@MrApostolis78 2 жыл бұрын

The man literally needs a form of therapy after watching disney star wars. Literally how we all feel. I feel you man.

@Oblithian Жыл бұрын

Go play KOTOR, it helps (probably skip the remake)

@rynehall9990 Жыл бұрын

In the 70s a few scary movie s advertised having a doctor in the theater in case the terror was too much for a viewer..maybe movies nowadays should have grief counselors in theater lobbies to help heal the pain caused by the current wave of mass ineptness running Hollywood off a cliff one vandalized version of a proven winner at a time.

@Myrdden71 2 жыл бұрын

I think part of what proves Mr. Gore's ideas is that, decades later, fans can still tear up when watching Spock's death and funeral, knowing that he's going to come back. It is just so well done, it still gives chills. Han Solo's death, on the other hand, didn't even affect me in the theatre while watching it, and I grew up with him and Star Wars since I was a small child. Huge difference in how their deaths were handled.

@AS-fu1kd Жыл бұрын

Same, it was sort of a flat "okay, that happened" moment I enjoyed some flashy lights but all I all was just lamed out by that movie

@robertreid2931 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I can queue up Spock's death scene and only that scene to this day, and still feel the emotional impact after many viewings. I *want* to watch it again. Solo's death scene had no impact and I have no desire to see it ever again.

@Seluecus1 Жыл бұрын

It kind of felt like their was a radiating aura of annoyance, in theater, at how Han's death was handled... Like, it was upsetting but not in a sad way.

@charmawow 3 жыл бұрын

Any director who calls himself a `fan` of Star Wars who doesnt have a scene showing Chewie and Leia, mourning Hans death is NO fan of Star Wars.......on top of that he`s also a useless storyteller and director.

@francoisregis2155 3 жыл бұрын

But but but the mystery box is the answer 😂😂😂 im kidding but you are damn right

@oldmanwinter3597 3 жыл бұрын

Leia went to REY when they arrived after Han's death. The had known each other what? 2 or 3 days????

@tsrav5 3 жыл бұрын

@@oldmanwinter3597 They didn't know each other. That was the first time they ever met.

@Taojas 3 жыл бұрын

Spot on. They absolutely botched SW in every way.

@Grimloxz 3 жыл бұрын

But when I and others made THE SAME ARGUMENTS we were called “silly fanboys”, “nerds with fan theories they couldn’t let go”, or just “didn’t understand the ‘high art’ of ‘subverted expectations’”… 🙄 Those sequel movies were PATENTLY BAD and it’s clear the writer/directors had no understanding of the characters, source material, and little actual creativity: “First Order”, “nu-Death Star”, “the Resistance”? Oy vey…

@maxheadroom4659 3 жыл бұрын

The whole sequel "trilogy" should be trashed and made non canon. All three films are terrible.

@gokux75 3 жыл бұрын

I already consider the sequel trilogy fan fiction.

@xo4812 3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@FP194 3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately with Darth Kennedy in charge it will not happen

@xo4812 3 жыл бұрын

F P I want someone to show her the video of her saying she would "protect the characters" and then ask her why she killed all three!

@alexandermckay9521 3 жыл бұрын

They’re not canon, they’re fan fiction. The original universe still remains. They can throw money around and call it “Legends” all they want. That doesn’t erase decades of brilliant pre established content that I grew up studying like actual history.

@Dav_Inver Жыл бұрын

Imagine the scene of Han Solo flying for the last time the Millenium Falcon, which is being teared appart by enemy ships. He is holding the line and keeping the enemy busy in a desperate effort to give his allies a chance of surviving. Bu the enemy force is so overwehlming that eventually he goes down with his ship or self-destructs it, after saying a last goodbye words to his friends. That would have been epic

@jaeylo Жыл бұрын

Perfect end to his arc too. Selfish to selfless

@richardbell7678 2 жыл бұрын

I saw a very good death scene in, of all places, a children's cartoon show-- "Roughnecks: Starships Troopers Chronicles". The character Higgins has stepped on an antipersonnel mine that will detonate and kill him when he steps off of it. CHAS, a combat humanoid artificial sentience, places its foot on the mine and is about to throw Higgins clear when Higgins says to CHAS "But you'll die.". CHAS replies "I was never alive.". Higgins is thrown clear and runs off to the waiting Roughnecks. CHAS stays on the mine, until it is surrounded by 'bugs', when it steps off and takes a horde of 'bugs' with it. Higgin's closing voice over for the episode was "It was decided that the CHAS was not cost effective. It's a good thing us roughnecks are cheap.".

@RavengerX1 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for reminding me of that scene, it was such a damn good one. That series doesn't get the love it deserves, it was great for what it was.

@BillosUK Жыл бұрын

I still remember that scene from a kids show I watched 20 years ago.

@heyyourlenscapson2588 Жыл бұрын

This was such a great series.

@JimmyTownmouse 3 жыл бұрын

They not only killed Han without any respect, they undid all the character growth from the previous trilogy first.

@PAGrunt 3 жыл бұрын

As I said, Dead beat dad? Check. Becoming a low level/failed smuggler? Check. Lost the Falcon for years unexplainably? Check. This was purposeful

@ProjectRedfoot 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, that bothered me the most

@PAGrunt 3 жыл бұрын

@@GawainSSB While I am angry over what they did to my favorite Character Han, and later to Luke, you are correct. Finn could have been a really interesting character with a great story (former storm trooper). Instead, Lucasfilm made him the sequel trilogies Jar Jar Binks, and completely wasted the potential. Poe basically the same, but not as bad as Finn. No wonder Boyega is pissed.

@SamvedIyer 2 жыл бұрын

@@PAGrunt Jar Jar Binks is not half as bad the character as many would purport. He is vital to the forging of an alliance between the humans and the Gungans of Naboo, that eventually helps them prevail over the Trade Federation. Lucas knew what he was doing when he conceived of Binks as a clumsy character; he wanted him to be a character children could feel amused by. There is this wonderful channel named "So Uncivilized", and the gent there explains the various themes from Star Wars in a pleasantly concise way. It was rather bold of him to devote his very first video to appreciating Jar Jar Binks.

@rileyernst9086 3 жыл бұрын

Another great death: Boromir: sacrifices himself to protect the ring bearer and to stop the ring getting into orc hands.

@brickmissing8295 2 жыл бұрын

Yes but it was to protect Merry and Pippin. Great death scene though - with the awesome Aragorn - Lurtz fight coming in the middle of it too. Jackson really outdid himself with that whole sequence (except for making Boromir’s Horn-of-Gondor sound like a kazoo).

@rileyernst9086 2 жыл бұрын

@@brickmissing8295 yeah you're totally right, in any case he dies like a the captain of the west and knight of Gondor that he is. And got to be the first Gondorian to fight in the service of his king for like centuries. I also love how Lurtz beats the crap out of Aragon, think of how much it would have cheapened Boromirs death if Aragon just walked all over Lurtz, and that is something you see a lot in movies.

@BillyTheBigKid82 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Boromir redeemed himself after trying to take the ring from Frodo, that added greatly to the effect of his death.

@rileyernst9086 2 жыл бұрын

@@markv785 You know atheists have no concept of hell, and nothing to fear after death. I'd argue that firstly the men of Gondor worship the gods of all that is good and noble, so I'd imagine their morals would be in line with that, what's more they literally have Mordor on their doorstep, which is essentially hell on earth, to point to as an example of what happens when you do not followthe right teachings and morals. Secondly they are a stable and strong nation and presumably have effective law and order, so if you do break the law its likely you're going to get caught and punished. So I'd argue that your point is flawed.

@scottf5791 2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@Suger5zero 2 жыл бұрын

Is anyone noticed how movies nowadays also stay away from physical closeness. He never seemed to see characters dying in each other's arms anymore. It's always looking at them from across the room

@AS-fu1kd Жыл бұрын

There seems to be no genuine affection in movies between characters at all anymore. No chemistry anywhere

@blacklake13 Жыл бұрын

To add to the value of the Spock death, it was 100% *in character*. It was selfless from a human perspective, but from a purely analytical Vulcan perspective it was the only logical option - everyone dies, or one who will die anyway saves the others by dying in a prescribed manner. (In case this was missed by anyone, he of course states as much explicitly.) It worked possibly uniquely well for Spock.

@cleekmaker00 Жыл бұрын

"I never took the Kobayashi Maru test until now; what do you think of my solution?" He was fulfilling the mandate of a Starfleet Captain; solely and totally responsible for the lives and safety of his Crew, including the sacrifice of his life, to carry out said mandate.

@farharbor3178 3 жыл бұрын

Regarding his comments on Han Solo ... it's insane to me, that with doubtless thousands and thousands of people working on these films .... they failed to put Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford in just one shot together (let alone a scene). Now, in terms of plot and real life circumstance -- that can never happen again. That chance has been missed for all time.

@rkitchen69 3 жыл бұрын

I think it speaks to the level of incompetence and lack of planning on Disney's part. The whole sequel trilogy is a train wreck.

@baronvg 3 жыл бұрын

You say insane, I say unfathomable. And yet here we are, years later and it’s not only happened but history. Absolutely disgraceful the big 3 never even shared the screen one last time. Even more maddening when it was obvious the producers never even had a story planned out ahead of time.

@dominantprime 3 жыл бұрын

It was because JJ Abrams admitted in interviews, they did think of versions of the Force Awakens story where Luke for example had a bigger role, but he always ended up stealing the show from Rey because he would be too bad-ass. So because they needed to force these new characters on the audience, and make Rey especially the new hero, they needed to sideline the old characters (especially Luke) and basically neuter them and make them suck as much as possible. A reunion of Luke, Han and Leia would've been the obvious highlight of the film, and stolen all the spotlight from the new characters. I suspect that also goes for Han having a more meaningful death, he is basically just a side character at that point, that is thrown off a bridge, not a main character anymore. The big thing about it is supposed to be the New Main Characters reacting to it and shouting "No!", but they barely know the guy, so it's completely pointless. If it was Luke, Leia and Chewie reacting to Han's death, and Han actually dying to save everyone, it would, again, steal the focus from these New Characters we are supposed to care about. Well, we know the end result: no one cares about these new characters because they all suck, the writing sucks. And the fate of Luke, Han and Leia sucks because that is by design. You can't force the audience to care about the new characters, you actually have to make them a character we care about first.

@standarddef8769 3 жыл бұрын

We'll always have the original trilogy, and those are the only three films that really matter

@theblackestvoid 3 жыл бұрын

It's truly bizarre Disney didn't pull a Disney and make it happen. I hate Hollywood play it safe shit but I find it unbelievable that not even an exec said "Why aren't they even in a scene together". Incredible the amount of power Abrams wielded for such a dogshit director.

@jardelelias5625 3 жыл бұрын

"Falling down an endless chasm is a villain's death." Damn, that's so true.

@bcs2em625 3 жыл бұрын

Right away I was thinking about Kirk kicking Klingon Captain Kruge in the face and him falling into the lava on the Genesis planet in ST III or Darth Maul falling down a shaft while split in half in SW episode One.

@madscientist2621 3 жыл бұрын

Well unless you're Gandalf, but that technically worked out in the end.

@TheNevar18 3 жыл бұрын

@@madscientist2621 not to mention Gandalf threw HIMSELF into the chasm to keep the balrog at bay

@bcs2em625 3 жыл бұрын

In DS9 Captain Ben Sisko also threw himself and Gul Dukat down into the fire pit to imprison him there forever, but the Prophets rescued Sisko out of it later.

@Instarius 3 жыл бұрын

What about Mufasa lol

@countcoupblessings979 2 жыл бұрын

My hard as nails , staunch (never showed fragility) Grandma , wept at the dying & funeral of Spock . This a woman who disliked make believe / fantasy stories. Was captivated by this movie on TV . Well done story teller .

@presidentrogue5668 Жыл бұрын

This holds true even in video games. In “The Last of Us 2”, the way they treated Joel’s death was basically criminal.

@Asher8328 Жыл бұрын

Yup, Joel may have been a flawed character, but that doesn't mean he didn't deserve a hero's death, if not for him than for the fans.

@liamphibia Жыл бұрын

Agreed, and I don't care what people have to say. Killing Joel Miller, one of the most popular and beloved video game characters of all time, was so disrespectful. And that's just the first two hours!

@brettb8033 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoy listening to this guy talk Star Wars lol. He is spot on!

@lampad4549 3 жыл бұрын

He must also hate the way Obi wan kenobi was killed off.

@jameszbierski391 3 жыл бұрын

@@lampad4549 the self sacrifice so he could help Luke throughout the three movies?.

@Ryan_Winter 3 жыл бұрын

@@lampad4549 Obiwan's death was the opposite, it had meaning, he did it on purpose to teach both of this students a lesson.

@djandjb1 3 жыл бұрын

@@lampad4549 - Disney trilogy fan was offended

@theheavymetalhillbilly7152 3 жыл бұрын

Well with Han...I kind of feel like they did that for Harrison Ford...he wanted him to die in Return of the Jedi...did they handle it well...ehhhh....but I knew one of the old guard was going to die in the Force Awakens...that was going to happen.

@cameronc1509 3 жыл бұрын

Bill Whittle said it best “princes Leia found out about Han’s death and looked like she just got a letter saying she’d maxed out her credit card “

@BedlamAndBones 3 жыл бұрын

Do you not recall her reaction to seeing Alderaan destroyed? She looked, at best, inconvenienced because all her stuff was gone.

@dr.boring7022 2 жыл бұрын

@@BedlamAndBones I cant argue with you there. That was her home for 19 years.

@anthonycameronnajera8471 2 жыл бұрын

Soooo... Carrie Fisher's acting was bad?

@davidvidya9657 2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonycameronnajera8471 The death star didnt make enough explosions to make leia's soul break

@thelegolistme3250 2 жыл бұрын

@@BedlamAndBones thats Leia being stubborn and not showing weakness in front of her most hated enemies

@nameofthegame9664 Жыл бұрын

The absolute best movie death ever made in my opinion was when Artax sunk in the swamp of sadness in The Neverending Story. That scene emotionally destroyed me as a kid.

@TheFleahost Жыл бұрын

Still too soon!

@sheldoncooper8199 Жыл бұрын

@nameofthegame9664 Me to that was the saddest Death i had to see as a Kid Years later i understood why it was called the Swamp of Sadness.

@yankoelgueta1116 Жыл бұрын

Oh that shit was intense

@radmomthoughts3507 Жыл бұрын

Same

@irorosun6990 2 жыл бұрын

You've expressed how telling a story that goes deep into our hearts is a true art. Han Solo example, a 3-second death, left us speechless - it was so hollow. That's a strong and striking example of what not to do, how to destroy years of an iconic saga.

@marklechman2225 3 жыл бұрын

I have no idea what you’re talking about, the Star Wars Saga ended with part six.

@FunSizeSpamberguesa 3 жыл бұрын

The Star Wars Saga ended with part three. I know a lot of people look at the prequel trilogy with nostalgia goggles, especially after the most recent trilogy, but they're still bad movies full of wooden acting and CGI that really wasn't that great even at the time. They're better than parts 7-9, but that's a really, really low bar to jump.

@kingnothing8570 3 жыл бұрын

@@FunSizeSpamberguesa i don't entirely disagree they were fine movies expecting them to be 4-6 level good is delusional but the recent trilogy was garbage maybe that's insulting to garbage (canonically, they tell an okay story as a standalone i guess tho i tend to have a trash taste i media).

@DenderFriend 3 жыл бұрын

Just plug your ears and close your eyes and pretend they don't exist...

@gotchewz 3 жыл бұрын

@@FunSizeSpamberguesa I agree fully. Right now it feels like Hollywood encased a great trilogy in a shell made out of shit. You just can’t watch all nine movies without ruining your enjoyment of the original movies. The only sensible thing to do, if they really want to attach the Star Wars name to other movies because of money: Make reboots or tell stories so far in the future or the past of the fictional SW galaxy, so it could not ruin the existing story. I just don’t see how they could dig themselves out of this sh*thole. Star Wars is 40 years old, why not leave it alone and start something fresh that is just a remake. They successfully did it with other old franchises, like Battlestar Galactica. Be meta about it, SW in the 2020s can’t be the same SW made for people from the 1980s.

@thatHARVguy 3 жыл бұрын

@Mark Sheymus Lucas had a cool big picture, but he needed better writers and director to make the small pictures he couldn't. Lucas' ego was the major flaw.

@stingray4567 3 жыл бұрын

Im really torn on if Han or Luke had the worst death - they were both treated disgustingly.

@christopherdaffron8115 3 жыл бұрын

At least Luke had knowingly accomplished something before he died.

@emberfist8347 3 жыл бұрын

@@christopherdaffron8115 Except it makes no sense he died.

@kevinerose 3 жыл бұрын

@@christopherdaffron8115 Do you mean the part where he sucked the milk out of a teat of an alien seacow?

@yamatoking 3 жыл бұрын

I think there's a change in their Agenda on how to portrait such themes by the new comer directors or whatever.

@stingray4567 3 жыл бұрын

@@christopherdaffron8115 Looking for positives in how those characters were treated in the disney trilogy feels like a desperate search for scraps.

@timothypryor7952 Жыл бұрын

How to kill an iconic character is best shown in the death of Optimus Prime in the original transformers cartoon. This was the first death many children ever faced in their life and everyone who was a fan of the series remembers exactly where they were when they saw that episode.

@datboi42 Жыл бұрын

I actually want to know more about that. Can you explain further? I was born the year 2000, so I might not have grown up with the show. I remember me and my brother watching a Transformers cartoon, but he was more into it than me at the time. I’m wondering if that’s the same show I’m thinking about

@ProfSplendorFaction Жыл бұрын

Not even to mention one of the first if not best was the death of Colonel William Blake in M.A.S.H. No one saw him die but the announcement was all that was needed and the fact that only one actor, Radar, was the only one who was told about this decision so the entire cast was actually distraught and the slow pan over the operating room as everyone took a moment of stunned silence before having to continue surgery.

@GraceandWisdom 3 жыл бұрын

Interestingly enough, like Spock, Tony Stark had a similar death scene in "Endgame" as described by Mr. Gore. He sacrificed himself for the greater good, he had his closest allies and loved ones nearby, He even had a funeral scene. So it's true that beloved characters need all of things to have a sense of closure.

@depressedasfook2893 2 жыл бұрын

@BK Beatty omg the joke thing killllsss me the only jokes after a death should be bitter sweet ones like happy talking to starks daughter when she says she wants a burger and he says ill get you all the burgers you want cause it's a joke a callback to iron man 1 and is also painful cause she is like her dad whose dead its a painful reminder

@F34RDSoldier805 2 жыл бұрын

@BK Beatty it shows how the new people in charge of making the mcu films want to get rid of the past and make their own thing. They would even go out of their way to disrespect a character and the audience in an attempt to get a cheap laugh. They just have these huge egos and it really shows when they talk about the fans and how they treat the source material.

@joebove4 2 жыл бұрын

That was my immediate first thought. As a huge Marvel fanboy, I was sad to see Iron Man die, but damn did they do it right. He died for a good reason, he had a final big hero moment, his friends and allies all had an opportunity to react to it, and it even directly called back to Tony and Steve’s iconic argument in The Avengers. They NAILED it for Tony. And going back a bit earlier, Yondu’s death in GotG2 was perfect too.

@shinobi-no-bueno 2 жыл бұрын

@@F34RDSoldier805 MCU? We were talking star wars

@JOECANDELA22 2 жыл бұрын

Very good example Ian.

@eggchin9721 2 жыл бұрын

"how the character of Han Solo was treated in his death in The Force Awakens was offensive to me." I felt that...

@david2727 2 жыл бұрын

I bet Harrison Ford could give a shit..he hated that character so much I bet he came up with an idea to make sure they can't bring him back! And that's why I loved it!

@Larsholden702 2 жыл бұрын

@@david2727 Man! I felt that! Stop being so offended, It was a fine death scene. It was different. How? Well, i think this video explains that pretty well.

@iamawatcher9201 2 жыл бұрын

@@david2727 Except they did bring him back in Rise Of Skywalker.....

@chriskelly6574 Жыл бұрын

I felt that.

@Chibason Жыл бұрын

So f***ing spot on with the Han Solo commentary and the comparison to Spock's meaningful death

@chapman2001 3 жыл бұрын

They destroyed luke skywalker’s character before they killed him lol

@leonvalentine3748 3 жыл бұрын

I suppose Ben Kenobi would be like: "You see, he was already dead...in a since."

@TREVORVADER 3 жыл бұрын

@@leonvalentine3748 from a certain point of view

@hullbreach33 3 жыл бұрын

They destroyed Han's character before they killed him too. Completely undid his character arc from the original trilogy.

@hideousruin 3 жыл бұрын

@@hullbreach33 Well yeah, but you don't expect them to give more than 5 minutes thought to one of the biggest characters in one of the biggest franchises in movie history, do you?

@logicmanX 3 жыл бұрын

This, but without the lol.

@Elohist2009 3 жыл бұрын

If any characters deserved a ride off into the sunset, it was Han and Chewie.

@smokeyverton7981 2 жыл бұрын

At least Chewie got a respectable death in the Timothy Zahn novels

@MatsThyWit 2 жыл бұрын

If you wanted Han as played by Harrison Ford to ever be seen on film again you had to accept Han was going to die. That was the only way Ford was going to agree to return and basically everybody knew that.

@desslaven7935 2 жыл бұрын

And that's why I'd rather they never brought back the beloved legacy characters at all. I'd rather have them totally absent than be treated with such utter dismissive contempt.

@soundbombin23 2 жыл бұрын

@@MatsThyWit Still shat the bed with his death..ah well.

@Blaaz91 2 жыл бұрын

@@smokeyverton7981 Chewie was killed in Vector Prime, by R. A. Salvatore, but he still got a respectful death.

@JJ-nh8lv 2 жыл бұрын

I would just love it if Disney announced that the last 3 movies were all just Luke force walking into the future. Seeing a possible future as a result of an action he was getting ready to make. Like right before he went into Bens room to kill him.

@mattiejam Жыл бұрын

Spock's sacrifice was truly so moving, even if he didn't stay dead it was a really well written scene that completed the action, rather than being tacked on, and gave an emotional climax through Kirk, so the audience could see their feelings reflected. It still hits today. ...While the fact that they brought Han to a lower point than he was at the start of the OT, having lost everything he gained and everything he started with except Chewy, and then killed him before he had any chance to reclaim an ounce of his former glory.... just, really?

@davyboy9397 3 жыл бұрын

When Spock died I cried. When Han died I got angry at the movie writers and was completely taken out of the movie ....

@deadlyrobot5179 3 жыл бұрын

Joel's death from TLOU 2 was terrible too.

@davyboy9397 3 жыл бұрын

@@deadlyrobot5179 I couldn't watch it. It was so horrible.... I hope the same fate that happened to him happens to the game creators ......

@saltydunmer3453 3 жыл бұрын

@@davyboy9397 Amen, brother

@jhonathantejada3345 3 жыл бұрын

Something in common their deaths have they are empty of purpose, they died for nothing, their deaths meant nothing, they left nothing, not to any character and specially not to the audience

@davyboy9397 3 жыл бұрын

@@jhonathantejada3345 Nihilism... Something many of the Hollyweird crowd believe in (or don't believe in I should say 😅)

@f.r8580 3 жыл бұрын

This guy is such a gem, actually being honest in this day and age is rare. Intelligent, well-read AND honest? Chris Gore.

@hillarybm92 2 жыл бұрын

For sure, A big part of the problem are sites like Rotten Tomatos and "woke" social justice reviewers like Chris Stuckman who give a false sense of which movies most people actually enjoy watching. Most people don't want to be lectured about female empowerment or see contrived race switching- it feels factory made.

@williamrayburn5314 2 жыл бұрын

And may I add...a pure and honest, fan. You can tell. Cheers 👍🏆

@williamrayburn5314 2 жыл бұрын

@@hillarybm92 I enjoyed at some point watching Chris Stuckman, yet I never considered him to be a woke or to be a sjw....maybe I truly don't know what one of "those" are, really. I personally feel he is a bit too smug and whiney for my taste. KZfaq, and well life in this day and age affords luxuries of choice... I drifted elsewhere. Honesty and intelligent criticism, as well as fandom are popularly underrated. Just one man's opinion...😉

@AkuraTheAwesome 2 жыл бұрын

@@williamrayburn5314 I understand what you mean. I think Chris Stuckman is a valuable critic with excellent observations of the art, but he is sometimes quite pretentious and can often seem "fussy" or out of touch with modern audiences. I always take his reviews with a grain of salt.

@BoleDaPole 2 жыл бұрын

One thing Al and Tip Gore did well was raise him.

@lifeisasimulation1671 2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly the problem. I was never a huge Star Wars fan, I certainly watched all the movies and definitely enjoyed them, I just prefer medieval fantasy as apposed to future-based science fiction. However, upon watching the latest trilogy, when Han died, it just felt so completely and utterly wrong to me; three things flashed through my head: 1) Wait!? He didn't even reunite with Luke at any point?? 2) Why the hell are we witnessing Ray and Finn's reaction when they barely know the guy!? 3) Why in the absolute-smegging-hell did Leah hug Ray first and not Chewie!?!?! I can appreciate a good movie and I can appreciate when a movie tries to be good (as strange as that sounds), but the latest star wars trilogy just felt so incredibly wrong and it unsettled me as an audience member.

@AS-fu1kd Жыл бұрын

I haven't been to a movie in theaters since, now that I think about it. Been years since I went and saw a movie

@juliekring7574 Жыл бұрын

It's not just his death. Han had a beautiful character arch where he grew from nihilistic and self centered to courageous and willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. Then it's revealed that he's regressed through his failed marriage and deeply damaged son. But what's more - it's not shown, it's told. We're just supposed to take the script and dialogue at face value, and that's why the depiction of how people can regress has no emotional value to the audience. I honestly think that the producers are just envious of a character that represents personal growth and virtue. They are themselves so trapped and morally bereft that they don't think it's believable and possibly even think it's corny for a character to uphold moral virtue.

@davidshoemaker4437 3 жыл бұрын

I agree, Han's death did it for me and that franchise as well. Consider Yondu from Guardians of Galaxy, in just two movies, they give his character a better death, with more meaning and respect. Most people never even heard of Yondu before the first movie, and the theater was filled with red eyes and tears during the funeral.

@mikestorms4752 3 жыл бұрын

and that after even stallone's character told him he would never recieve the glory and respect a scavenger gets after he dies

@kalesmart1 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that got me teared up man, it was honest, vulnerable and heroic

@shaunom8363 3 жыл бұрын

I remember using this as an arguement as to why DCEU movies' characterization needed work bad. Both Yondu and Superman (dceu) had 2 movies before they got killed off. Why were people more emotional over Yondu's death compared to Supermans.

@davidshoemaker4437 3 жыл бұрын

@@shaunom8363 I have used this as well when talking about the lack of character development, as well as storytelling with most of the DCEU movies, there are a lot of great visual moments but no real connection to the individuals.

@dragonstryk7280 3 жыл бұрын

@@mikestorms4752 It also gave weight to his sacrifice. He had no illusions, when he gave his life, as far as he was concerned, he was going to hell, and that was that.

@MIKELIN8 2 жыл бұрын

Spock's last words to Kirk make me well up every time: "I have been...and forever shall be...your friend". Also, the change in Kirk's demeanor from elation when the warp drive kicks in and he congratulates Scotty, to concern when Scotty says "Captain, you'd better get down here". He turns, sees Spock's chair empty, and he knows...

@randywest1185 2 жыл бұрын

And in his funeral oration, when his voice cracks as he speaks of how "human" Spock was. I remember it well.

@gregsmith7949 2 жыл бұрын

Such a powerful scene. Film making at it's best.

@godzilla0083 2 жыл бұрын

Spock's death to me is the greatest movie death. He died heroically.

@joeross6523 2 жыл бұрын

Top 10 movies ever made.

@datacipher 2 жыл бұрын

Not “forever shall be” - “always shall be”. “Forever” would be awful! lol. Would turn it into some medieval cheesy line. It was a tour de force of acting by shatner and Nimoy. It’s always been fashionable to bash shatner but when all he can do is mumble a plaintive “no” and slumps motionless in shock, it conveys how the dynamic and assertive Kirk has no idea what to do now - absolutely perfectly and realistically. the depth of both his anguish and the fact that he’s never faced a loss and failure like this before. The main themes for him in the movie, facing mortality and failure.

@michaeldavidnvitales 2 жыл бұрын

Look up a man named Jonathan Pageau. I learned a great deal of his analysis about the difference between a story and a propaganda. A story has elements of the pattern of reality embedded in it. It resonates with us because, unknowingly, we experience this pattern in our daily lives. It makes sense to us. And seeing the pattern in a grand scale, as portrayed in movies, allows us to experience the pattern scale up to mythical levels - and we can’t help but be moved by it. Because it’s real. The twist makes sense. The solutions make sense. The characters make sense. Because it’s a real story. But a propaganda is not a real story. A propaganda has a pre-set agenda to tell, and uses story-like elements to convey their message - but it’s not an actual story. Things don’t make sense in a propaganda; it’s always one-sided. The only thing that matters is shoving their message to the audience. Propagandas are predictable and boring. There’s no true element of mystery or the enchantment of life. Only stories possess those qualities.

@trojan403 Жыл бұрын

Amen to that’s Jonathan is awesome.

@kellyevans3254 Жыл бұрын

Learned how to recognize archetypes in litterateur from Dr Jordan Peterson, and they got everything wrong in this movie, they didn’t want to make a compelling story, they were too busy pushing an agenda.

@radmomthoughts3507 Жыл бұрын

Great point, thanks for sharing.

@greengrugach1984 Жыл бұрын

Chewy knows Han a lifetime, MaRaysue knows Han three days, Leia hugs MaReysue and Chewbacca doesn't get a look in.....great writing.

@keeptexasfree7361 3 жыл бұрын

Kathleen Kennedy didn’t care about the characters or the Audience. She had an agenda to push.

@MrFrostien 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe just the female characters

@mblair5327 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrFrostien She doesn't want to even put in an effort with her "strong females".

@Butiguessilovememore 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrFrostien tHeRe'S nO aGeNdA

@LittleMopeHead 3 жыл бұрын

The force is female = The force is no more

@Saieras 3 жыл бұрын

Care to elaborate?

@Hustada 3 жыл бұрын

I think some film studios actively despise their core audience right now.

@asparapee4213 3 жыл бұрын

Without question. Their egos are such that any disagreement with how they choose to run things is met with contempt. They also don't care about the legacies of the properties they own. They only care about leveraging the name of the franchise to tell the stories they want to tell because they know no one will see their drivel if it's not Trojan Horsed inside something that people love.

@Hustada 3 жыл бұрын

@@asparapee4213 couldn’t have said it better.

@josephmcbride1239 3 жыл бұрын

That is why they have their media buddies write hit piece after hit piece about the fans.

@Zac_Frost 3 жыл бұрын

That'd likely be why so many of them are failing lol.

@nathanmorgan3647 3 жыл бұрын

That's what happens when communists get hired and remake movies from eras of anticommunists

@christopherbreen7364 2 жыл бұрын

After the sad, tragic death of Paul Walker R.I.P, I felt the way the fast & furious franchise exited his character was nice. Also I agree 100% with you on how Hans death was done.

@ianallardyce4222 2 жыл бұрын

Contrast Chewy watching Han die from 200m away, with Frodo watching Gandalf die from a similar distance. That's the difference between a shyster filmmaker and a proper filmmaker.

@lathspell87 3 жыл бұрын

I think the death of Borimir is still one of the greatest death scenes put to film. Heroic, redeeming, and heartbreaking as well as expertly performed by the greatest actor at dying on screen.

@drica76 3 жыл бұрын

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@davidfarrer4332 Жыл бұрын

Sean Bean gets plenty of practice! 😀👍

@DavidRLentz Жыл бұрын

Boromir

@krissuyx 3 жыл бұрын

"They're just movies of space wizards for children." ...in which heroes turn into depressed failures in their old age and die horrific deaths, with pretty much nobody left to mourn their passing.

@mikavirtanen7029 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, i must say that i was not very thrilled how Kirk met his end in Generations movie at the time, but compared how it would be done today that can be considered as an epic death scene...Oh My.

@krissuyx 3 жыл бұрын

@@mikavirtanen7029 At least Kirk got to say his last words and had a nice little burial(even if he did get buried under a pile of rocks lol).

@FP194 3 жыл бұрын

@@mikavirtanen7029 Kirk died helping save a solar system and the crew of the Enterprise D so his death was meaningful

@mikavirtanen7029 3 жыл бұрын

@@FP194 Nothing to do with meaningfulness, i just wanted Kirk's swan song to have more panache...because that's what the character always projected.,..at least to me.

@slygoose7740 3 жыл бұрын

@@krissuyx I actually hated that, I personally believe any Starfleet officer worth a shit would've brought his body back to earth at any means, not to rot in some nexus world.

@buildamillionbridges6153 Жыл бұрын

Love this channel. Outstanding Spock’s death still makes me cry and I’m in my 50’s. Today’s movies are devoid of that weight.

@HisDivineShado 2 жыл бұрын

Movies don’t cause me to cry. The death of Spock and Kirk’s eulogy gets me crying every time.

@arthurgodwin6571 3 жыл бұрын

Han Solo's death felt so cold and ugly. I was wondering why everyone was saying the movie was so great. Mr. Gore's observation that he was killed in the way a villain would be was quite astute.

@ironcladnomad5639 3 жыл бұрын

Disney/Lucasfilm didn't care how you felt during or after the movie, only how you felt leading up to your ticket purchase.

@nifftbatuff676 3 жыл бұрын

I was also wondering the same thing. I was scared by the positive reactions to that movie.

@tiergeist2639 3 жыл бұрын

This abomination even calling a movie, is an infinite insult to all movies itself. It's just perversion of wt culture and destroying it

@mikavirtanen7029 3 жыл бұрын

Well, just wait and see how Ford will get Indiana Jones killed next. It's bizarre how anyone has that kind of hatred of the very characters that propelled them to stardom. It's not just directors and producers, actors have always the choice to say no.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p 3 жыл бұрын

@@mikavirtanen7029 Ford hated Han so they killed him off. But he loves Indiana so they keep making movies even when he is 80...

@KamilDevonish 2 жыл бұрын

"if there was a child and we had just finished watching Return of the Jedi, I don't know that I'd want to skip to the next movie to see what happens." This line right here is why no one will be watching any of these movies 100 years from now. They don't have any overarching sense of connection. There's no throughline. One movie ago, Han was a triumphant hero giving up his selfish ways to be part of something greater. The next he's a washed up hasbin knifed through the heart by own son and tossed down a chasm. That's not storytelling. That's just story beats put on screen for shock value.

@snoopysnacks 2 жыл бұрын

Not true. They'll be watching these films a hundred years from now - in film schools, on how NOT to ruin some of the most iconic characters in cinema history.

@stoneyd63 2 жыл бұрын

My kids and I loved the IV-VI and even the prequals to some extent that we watched them annually. Since TFA, we ended our tradition. The story arch was so broken.

@Giloudu27 2 жыл бұрын

@@stoneyd63 You stopped watching Star Wars annually as a whole or just did not add to the roster the one Disney made ?

@lisetteeliseparis7070 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@FZJanimated 2 жыл бұрын

thats what alot of writers do now a days. kill the popular character and replace it by a new character that is a one dimensional mary sue or gary stu.

@daybertimagni4841 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant, so well articulated. Pity so many screenwriters haven’t heeded this… too busy ‘subverting expectations’ at the expense of the fans

@frankferrero5827 2 жыл бұрын

Chris Gore is a guy i would like to have a beer with and just talk about movies. Back in the 90's i worked night shift at a video rental place,it was the graveyard shift (12 to 8 am) on the weekends,and oh man i loved it. That is where i fell in love with movies,Chris Gore would be that guy you can just get together with and talk for hours about movies. Kudos my man for speaking the truth,wish we could clone you and put one of you in each of the big companies that are ruining movies for me.

@Vpaid 3 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you addressed this. In Phantom Menance, Qui-Gon Jinn was mourned much more than Han Solo did in Force Awakens. Admiral Ackbar was killed off screen without ceremony in The Last Jedi. It's jarring how poorly the writers understood how to handle the legacy of these characters that had been with the fans for decades.

@aredjayc2858 3 жыл бұрын

Ackbar should've been the one to replace Leia, Holdo was a piss poor OC

@TheNiemand 3 жыл бұрын

I strongly suspect that the writers are actually non fans of the franchies. Otherwhise I cant explain why some characters (or shows) get so poorly written the longer they run

@undeaddave9671 3 жыл бұрын

They did it like that on purpose. To destroy the original characters so they could pump up their own lazy low IQ trash.

@samr8603 3 жыл бұрын

Someone had daddy issues and wanted revenge.

@MrValarMorgoth 3 жыл бұрын

it almost looks like they are doing this on purpouse

@Brian_B505 2 жыл бұрын

Han's meaningless death (and Luke's) was both literally and figuratively a character assassination; as someone else commented, they were unceremoniously thrown out like trash.

@geoffreyharris5931 2 жыл бұрын

Well it sure got rid of a lot of customers, middle-aged white guys who had been buying their stuff for themselves and their families for decades.

@ShaneJoshua1980 2 жыл бұрын

They need to retcon the sequels as the more I think about it from a storytelling perspective the more I think it was just a complete waste of time.

@Rabijeel 2 жыл бұрын

Friend asked me after the Movies what I think. My Answer: *"Hello, I am the "meaningful Storyline". I was laid off for cutting unnessesary expenses by Disney after taking over."* Another friend laughed and we had a short discussion with them disagreeing that the Movie was bad. Then I asked: "Well, had you more fun discussing this now or watching the Movie?" That was when they realized how bad the Movie really was. The second one? Half a year later, Friend told me he had not seen it yet - and we were in the Cinema together on release. He just entirely forgot about this. Fun Fact: This happened half a Year later again.

@brivington2011 2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with your comment. Shame on you Disney, shame on you.

@hulkhatepunybanner 2 жыл бұрын

*Luke dies? Gawd. Will Abrams and Disney ruin everything?*

@SpinningSandwich Жыл бұрын

Certainly the immediate impact of Han Solo's death was underwhelming, but the bigger failing was that Last Jedi didn't do anything with the emotional development that could have followed. That went for almost all the characters, since Rian Johnson just yeeted story conventions out the window without a plan (& fortunately figured out how to do it for a reason in Knives Out), but it's especially true for Han's son, who very well could have had an entire emotional arc as the murder of his own father began to haunt him. Such a shame that it went to waste.

@SpinningSandwich Жыл бұрын

Also, best death on screen: The Red Viper of Dorne gets a striking visual death, which immediately impacts the surrounding characters in wholly different ways. His lover shrieks in pain, Tyrian groans his realization of a death sentence, Cersei has a look of smug satisfaction, and Tywin has the detached satisfaction of a boss who's just sacked a troublesome employee.

@michaeljago4869 2 жыл бұрын

Han Solo's death was the biggest slap in the face, but the actual making of the sequel Star Wars Movies was the biggest kick in the balls to fans.

@censortube3778 3 жыл бұрын

They shit all over all the original characters, I was so done when Rey was fixing the falcon and showing up Han Solo. I knew at the moment that Star Wars was dead

@Criner05 3 жыл бұрын

The minute "The Force Awakens" ended, I thought "that was the worst Star Wars movie."

@missourimongoose7643 3 жыл бұрын

At this point I just wanna see Hollywood burn

@nochpo4230 3 жыл бұрын

I have never met a woman who could successfully change a car tyre on her own, much less care to learn how, yet in the movies these women always seem to be technological/engineering geniuses. They just don't reflect human nature anymore and so they feel abstract and tasteless.

@fingersmcoy 3 жыл бұрын

@@nochpo4230 yes. majority of women today, what do they gravitate toward? nursing. not engineering. our brains work differently. but saying that is sexist lol

@fandude7 3 жыл бұрын

Chris 100% nailed it. Those in charge did not care about their audience nor fans.

@citycrusher9308 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, he did not nail it 100%. If he did he would be hounded on social media. The new flicks blow because they have been damaged by feminist infiltrators. He can't say that

@fandude7 3 жыл бұрын

@@citycrusher9308 Ok. 95% nailed. You're right.

@citycrusher9308 3 жыл бұрын

@@fandude7 It's painful!

@kieroncampion120 3 жыл бұрын

@@citycrusher9308 Feminism is precisely why the sequel trilogy are the only Star Wars films worth watching. The original trilogy is racist sexist garbage.

@davidjacobs8558 3 жыл бұрын

@@kieroncampion120 If Feminism is so great, make your own Franchise. Maker your own stories and characters. Don't f**k with existing Franchise that people love. If Star Wars was racist sexist garbage, why use it as your propaganda platform?

@erikpaterson1404 Жыл бұрын

I've been under a rock all my life - have just come a cross this writer and he makes so much sense, like he is speaking directly to me. I love him already, hollywood big shots should pay him more attention

@Persev444 Жыл бұрын

This is among the greatest dissection of how iconic franchise fan favorite main characters should be given a proper, respectful send off into the sunset. He clearly expresses his view which resonates across many levels. He explained to me why I have not watched a star wars movie in 8 years whereas my entire life before I had been diligent and passionately watching the entire trilogies from start to finish virtually almost yearly . I had never given any conscious thought as to why I have not returned to my beloved childhood franchise. Thank you very much.

@Slaphappy1975 2 жыл бұрын

To imagine Han bleeding out in Chewies arms as he sacrifices himself for one last heroic deed, then Chewie letting out the most agonising howl... goosebumps.

@Zaloomination 2 жыл бұрын

Wow dude. You arent kidding

@robwalsh9843 2 жыл бұрын

In one comic series, Chewie died and Han was left broken.

@irregularassassin6380 2 жыл бұрын

If they wanted Rey to use the Falcon (which they clearly did, they wanted it to be her ship), they could have used that scene to have Han hand the Falcon over to Chewie, and tell him he needs a new co-pilot. "I know she's young, and inexperienced. Kinda a lot like that farm boy we picked up once, remember? Like us in the beginning. You need her Chewie, you need these kids. Don't be alone." This lets Harrison Ford step out like he wanted, gives Chewie the respect he deserves, sets up audience interest for Solo (which they had to have already been planning), and brings the new cast onto the Falcon as its crew. If they had the original cast together, you now have Chewie, Luke, Rey, and Finn at a minimum on the ship in the next film. Let's say Finn learns how to fly as Chewie's co-pilot, while Luke takes on Old Ben's role teaching Rey how to use the force (and avoid the dark side). Or, have Rey do both things and have Finn do something else. You can split its story line with that crew going to do something, while Po learns how to be a leader from Leia since they both stayed with the Resistance.

@synnical77 2 жыл бұрын

Cliché.

@carbon-based-lifeform9172 2 жыл бұрын

@@synnical77 would have still been way better than all 3 of the new sequels put together. Instead we got this woke dumpster fire.

@Cattle_Snacks 2 жыл бұрын

The film “Logan” handled the death of an iconic main character REALLY well. Perfectly to me.

@costaricashitposting7140 2 жыл бұрын

yeah you right

@aaronhumphrey2009 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed..Excellent performances ..pretty good scripts & characters..introduces X-13..the mutants kids..the torch being passed , the heroic sacrifice/ end of several X- men..

@jamesmaybrick2001 2 жыл бұрын

@Alpha Shepherd ...im not crying....just been peeling onions....

@ReclusiveMaple 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, Logan = GOOD and Han Solo = BAD.

@eggsbenedict2251 2 жыл бұрын

....you will die with your heart in your hand.❤😓

@musclesmouse 2 жыл бұрын

This man articulates very well why I hate or love the same movies.

@gwencrawford737 2 жыл бұрын

In the television series "Airwolf" from the 80s... there were 4 seasons. Three of which were produced in the US, aired on CBS, and were under Bellisarius Productions. A fourth season was produced under Atlantis productions in Canada. The characters of Stringfellow Hawke, Dominic Santini, Caitlin O'Shaunessy, and Michael "Archangel" Briggs, were iconic in the series. When the 4th season kicked off... Stringfellow Hawke played a small role... An uncredited actor portrayed Dominic Santini at a distance, entering a helicopter to take off... String said, "I need to talk to him..." and ran to do so before Dom lifted off... and the helicopter suddenly exploded, killing Dominic off, and landing Stringfellow in the hospital, as Joanna Santini, Dominic's niece, looked on. We never find out why the bird suddenly blew up... but it's pretty obvious it was a bomb that went off. The way the iconic characters were just replaced and/or phased out... did NOT sit well with audiences of the series, and to this very day, the way that was handled, switching from the old crew, to a new crew... is more than just a little controversial among Airwolf fans. Chris Gore raises a HUGE point about "respecting your characters", and by extension, your audience. You can get away with damn near ANYTHING in the creative world. You can kill off any character, or have them go bad... or have a bad one go good or any shade or construct you can imagine... as long as YOU DO IT RIGHT, and respect the characters and how important they are to the story, to the other characters, and to audiences Look at how MASH killed off Henry Blake... the death had real meaning for all the characters and the audience. On HUNTER, season 7, they killed off Off. Joanne Molenski in the line of duty (Hunter's young partner who replaced DeeDee McCall after Dee got married and left the force), and you can see Hunter coming to terms with that, and how it affected her co-workers. It's more than doable... but producers and writers and directors need to really THINK about what they're doing, or the same event that could PROPEL great storytelling for an audience, can end up blowing up the whole project in the eyes of the audience... and audiences do NOT react well to that kind of slap in the face.

@tzeege 3 жыл бұрын

Leia should've been there, crying next to mortally wounded Han. Leaning over him and whispering: "I love you." And Han replies: "I love you too."

@josephmcbride1239 3 жыл бұрын

Don't want another "I know" lol?

@jaythejayzer 3 жыл бұрын

or han saying "I love you" and leia saying "I know"

@tzeege 3 жыл бұрын

@@jaythejayzer You're right, modern Star Wars is all about "role reversals". Women are absolute Chads.

@mistaboogeyba3358 3 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is, this should be the bare minimum

@MSPplusmore 3 жыл бұрын

@@tzeege someone hasn't seen Jedi

@TheKulu42 2 жыл бұрын

I remember seeing a video of a little girl watching that climatic moment in "The Empire Strikes Back." Luke's beaten and wounded. Vader addressed him as "Luke." The great reveal comes. And the little girl is hugging herself, almost in tears. 'Oh, he's going to turn to the dark side ... don't do it!" Yes, NOW I understand why Lucas had that moment.

@Dowlphin 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent storytelling can push the boundaries of what material is acceptable to children. Also consider "Avatar - The Last Airbender" - an animated kids show involving plenty of themes of political scheming, war, struggle, all the deep stuff. And kids love it. Feeding our children a cheap diet is folly not just in the physical sense. It is a patronizing attitude of adults who feel insecure in the face of children's often less corrupted state. Fear that they might actually start understanding politics better than adults do.

@HolyMith 2 жыл бұрын

@@Dowlphin The trick is to show them it through the lens of characters they can empathise with. Then they are more likely to understand (at least subconsciously) the larger themes at play. Avatar did that incredibly well. I can tell even though I sadly only watched it as an adult.

@Rabijeel 2 жыл бұрын

Yep. And what Disney made wrong in all the Ways possible. In the Cinema one Guy shouted "goddammit, kill him already" short before Ren stabbed Han. Noone protested or minded it. Noone mindaed anything. Second Movie, some People had talks midpart of the Movie on.

@WizArtChelo 2 жыл бұрын

@@Rabijeel So sad that Han's death was so poorly done. I usually cry a lot when my favourite characters die, but I felt nothing at all with his death scene.

@jeremypnet 2 жыл бұрын

And that’s why you need to watch the films in the order in which they were made and not the in Universe chronological order. The prequels are are a massive spoiler for the best film in the whole series.

@Chibason Жыл бұрын

This is the 5th Chris Gore Film Courage clip I've watched today. My favorite film critic by far

@BlayneWeaver-hg8nb Ай бұрын

"It needs to be done with some level of respect"... Absolutely. Chris put into words what I couldn't quite put my finger on.

@glenmcl 3 жыл бұрын

They missed a huge opportunity to reuse "I Love you" "I know" In a scene with Leia holding Han right before he dies.

@Dooger414 3 жыл бұрын

Holy crap...

@mattneal5257 3 жыл бұрын

Jesus - not everything can be dragged out and loaded with fan service. He died. He died trying to save his son from a terrible future and fate. He died a hero - the same way he lived. They can’t make people happy all the time. Han was my favorite character and I thought his death was handled well. This nitpicking by Star Wars fans gets really old. He fell down an endless chasm that was filled with white light - signifying that he was at peace

@hcaz5818 3 жыл бұрын

That would be just as awful as what we got

@danielh377 3 жыл бұрын

What you just wrote gave me a greater emotional reaction than the scene itself did.

@BogusLion 3 жыл бұрын

Forget about that, they missed a great opportunity to have all OT characters together one last time on screen for at least 30 minutes, then you could kill them all, I just wanted that, all together one last time, but no, the idiots with their propaganda and agenda had to kill them one by one and have them all separated through all the movies...

@notmyrealname3167 3 жыл бұрын

Casually stabbing Han and tossing him into oblivion like trash was a metaphor for how modern Hollywood views their customers, the legacy star wars fandom, and American culture in general.

@torgervedeler6949 Жыл бұрын

Another element of Spock’s death that is overlooked here is how he grants a gift to his dear friend McCoy before he makes his sacrifice. If they hadn’t done that, Spock dying would have been a dramatic disaster.

@brianbarber5401 2 жыл бұрын

I think you might be a bit upset about this, but tell us how you REALLY feel. I love how solidly he makes the point that when you’re taking over a significant story, he have a responsibility to it and to the fans, a responsibility to not be an idiot about it.

@ShinAkuma204 3 жыл бұрын

When Leia hugged Rey instead of Chewie I cashed out.

@Jimnuts 3 жыл бұрын

They did Han, Luke, Leia, and Ackbar wrong.

@leesmapman4764 3 жыл бұрын

Ackbar's death was the point of no return for thinking this movie could actually be good after all. It showed how the writer/director doesn't care and know about Star Wars.

@jscottupton 3 жыл бұрын

Ackbar is still alive. She's the Mayor of Chicago.

@Reggie2000 3 жыл бұрын

And Boba Fett

@jscottupton 3 жыл бұрын

@@vjbd2757 Except that the writers were hacks who had almost NO good ideas.

@RayOfTruth 3 жыл бұрын

Loved how Ackbar died. It just happens with no warning because that's war. Plus he was always a fairly minor character.

@Kattlarv Жыл бұрын

Most characters in movies do have the "survive at 1 hit point" plot armor. But as you said: Even WHEN they don't have plot armor, there's characters there to react to it. It's not just over in 0,1 seconds, then ignored. It's over in 0,1 seconds, and then you're shown the aftermath.

@Avalon_1991 2 жыл бұрын

The worst for me was John Connor being shot in Terminator Dark Fate. It felt like someone had punched me in the stomach as Terminator 2 is one of my favourite films. All so they could replace him with a small Mexican woman who would never be a leader. All of these companies follow the same path: buy a beloved franchise that they don't understand, insert a woke ideology, get rid of the beloved classic characters or ruin them completely, the fans rightfully hate it and complain, the companies can't understand what they've done so they attack the fans and call them word ending in "ists" and "isms" or get the media to do pieces on entitled fans. It's so many franchises that I liked as well: Terminator, Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Amazon's Lord Of The Rings etc.

@moroc333 2 жыл бұрын

At least Ghostbusters afterlife was decent, I mean it was a masterpiece compared to Ghostbusters 2016. They related the story to the original Ghostbusters, they reunited the original cast for a big heroic scene, they created an interesting protagonist with a relatable past and a good reason to be interested in the story of the OG Ghostbusters and they didn't treated proton packs as comedic gag firefighter hoses. Granted, CGI Harold Remis was risky but I feel they treated him with respect (it wasn't princess Leia floating in the vacuum of space at least).

@UrMomsChauffer 3 жыл бұрын

Learn the lesson of Optimus Prime. Though it was only a cartoon, the amount of backlash received over his death, caused Hasbro to not only cancel future theatre releases, but completely rewrite the ending of the G.I.JOE movie, and they had to bring back Optimus Prime from the dead.

@art4truth 3 жыл бұрын

Ah, someone else who brought that up. :)

@UrMomsChauffer 3 жыл бұрын

@@art4truth great minds...

@tigerbread78 3 жыл бұрын

Thing is, Prime's death helped make that movie so iconic, we all know the reason for Hasbro killing off so many characters, but to me it showed that this war was real, with real consequences, as a result Optimus was elevated to become a true pop culture icon. Obviously I'm pleased they brought him back though

@art4truth 3 жыл бұрын

@@tigerbread78 The deaths fit well with the story the movie wants to tell. Compartmentalized as a stand alone movie it all works. It's when you take into account the treating important returning characters from the series as death scene extras (not a satisfying character arc or send off), and the lasting effect on the series of Prime's death that there are problems. Keep in mind they intended to replace Prime with Rodimus for the rest of the series, and only brought back Prime after backlash. Though he does come back near the season 3 end the damage to the series was already done as it only got about 4 episodes for season 4 and then was canceled. I wonder why Megatron sort of survives as Galvatron when Prime actually dies? Assuming Prime was replaceable, but Megatron wasn't seems odd as they're the basic building blocks of the good evil struggle in The Transformers.

@danieldb631 3 жыл бұрын

I figured a character like Han Solo would have gone out in a "Last stand" kind of scene.

@rifz42 3 жыл бұрын

ya it was so stupid, if they had to kill him it should have been him instead of hodo jumping into the enemy ships.

@anastasiosgkotzamanis5277 3 жыл бұрын

he should have gone out in a "against all odds-but never tell me what they are" space battle, first being afraid of dying, then accepting it, then going all in, throwing Solo-like quips and one liners.

@JStryker47 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that would've been way better than just having him straight up murdered - and by his own son, no less.

@charlesborden8111 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly the main problem, in my opinion, is Harrison Ford was whiny enough about his character (which he is about a lot of the people he played) for so long that the only way to get him to sign on was to promise to off him unceremoniously. When he doesn't like a project he become a lazy actor.

@BishopWalters12 3 жыл бұрын

I could forgive it if A Force Awakens focused mostly on the big 3, It should've had Luke, Leia and Han sharing the majority of the screen time. I think episodes 8 and 9 could've been more passing of the torch and focus on the younger characters.

@SINCHIROCA07 2 жыл бұрын

I have never heard it said better. Thank you. This was like therapy.

@lesbianlollipop Жыл бұрын

This channel is killin it, gives hope that good storytelling might be a thing again someday.

@Oblithian Жыл бұрын

Oh it will, as more and more start producing films on KZfaq and skipping Hollywood.

@danielmartin8913 3 жыл бұрын

The fact that we didn't get to see Luke's reaction to learning of Han's death in TLJ is inexcusable! Been saying this for years: the audience needs to see the other characters' reactions to an onscreen death! Thank you Chris Gore!

@philipmakupa5662 2 жыл бұрын

Ahsante

@rugr82day 2 жыл бұрын

Have to say a female fan looking forward to a new female lead in Star Wars I was so disappointed in The Force Awakens that I haven't seen the other 2 movies. In the mid 90's I read a lot of the books that followed Return of the Jedi. So I got to see adventures with Luke in his prime being a badass Jedi. I got to see Han and Princess Leia as a married power couple, even their kids had adventures. Also got to experienced Leia hiding out on Chewbacca's homeworld. Not all of the books were great but it was great to see the adventure continue. I did finally get a tiny taste of Luke in his prime in the Mandalorian series. Wish they would do like the Ghostbusters franchise did with the reboot and pretend the last 3 movies never happened.

@chrisstory563 2 жыл бұрын

Luke reaction was cut in TLJ. yep it ending it being a deleted scene. how disgusting,

@jimjam51075 2 жыл бұрын

This is why nobody's looking for JJ to write or direct since he started on Star Wars.

@chrisstory563 2 жыл бұрын

@@jimjam51075 It's that chick that Lucas past the torch to. Kathlyn Kennedy. she been screwing star wars more then JJ. btw, there been dozen of rumors that Harrison Ford been lobbying to get Solo killed off since return of the jedi.