“It’s like bringing back Palpatine just to kill him off” Disney: *WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!!*

Season 1: Winter is coming. Season 2: Winter is coming. Season 3: Winter is coming. Season 4: Winter is coming. Season 5: Winter is coming. Season 6: Winter is coming. Season 7: Winter is coming. Season 8: Winter is over, you just missed it.

Not to mention building Jon Snow up as a hero, revealing he's the true heir to the iron throne, literally raising him from the dead, only to have him just go and be a night watchman again

Imagine telling you 10 years again and again, about a fantastic party i am going to throw, and when the time comes i will order some pizzas, have a couple of drinks and tell you to rush things because i have plans in a couple of hours....that is how i felt.

In the Game of Thrones, everyone gets betrayed. Even the audience.

Can you imagine if Avengers Endgame pulled a GOT season 8? Thanos would be killed by Scarlet Witch in the first couple of minutes and then the rest of the movie would be trying to fight Ebony Maw...which would make Iron Man so mad he'd nuke the city.

Also, why the hell does jamie just forget his whole character development over the last 7 seasons..... I really hated that

What annoyed me the most is that for almost 7 seasons, Dany has been collating armies, dragons, support and advisors....when in fact all she needed was 1 dragon to conquer Kings Landing....seriously....what was the point?

Winter is coming. Winter is coming. Winter is coming. Winter is here......no it's over, move on.

Two main reasons: -Characters lose intelligence. Some become clumsy and predictable, some lose meaning entirely. -The events rush inexplicably and very poorly.

Bran literally says he doesn't want the throne, then suddenly...

They hyped the main villain for 8 seasons only to kill them in the most anticlimactic way possible, and then it is never even mentioned again.

"take your time" The writers were actually given and encouraged to take more time to finish the series. Up to 11 seasons actually. They refused, because they wanted to be done and move onto the Star Wars series, which they were taken off anyway because of the backlash with GoT S8 XD

the biggest "fucc you" this show gave us was having Arya killed the night king simply bc the writers wanted someone we least expected instead of the person who truly deserved the killing blow, the person whose story revolved around the undead and had been building up to that moment through the entire series.

The final season was so bad that it has made me forget how good the show used to be. Absolutely no urge to ever watch any of it again.

I can't take credit for the following quote, but it summed things up perfectly: At the end of Game of Thrones: Arya went West Drogon went East Jon went North And the show went South The End

is no one talking about he literally predicted palpatine coming back

I DO FEEL BETRAYED BY DANY's ENDING - 1. We saw her sold to Dothraki 2. We saw her acquire her first dragons 3. We saw her acquire her first army 4. We saw her acquire her all the Dothraki 5. We saw her conquer 3 kingdoms 6. We saw her sail for Westeros with all her armies 7. We saw her SAVE Jon Snow and his suicide squad against the night walkers . . . 8. She kills innocents to conquer Kingslanding. See the problem? Throughout this we were shown her character which was merciful towards the innocents and the salves. MULTIPLE times they stressed that "SHE IS NOT HER FATHER". So what happened in the end? She goes MAD? Just like that? Unjust.

"I'm not talking about smaller nitpicky stuff like who becomes the king." Wait, you mean small, nitpicky stuff that literally kicked off the entire conflict of the show and has been the main driving force behind almost every character decision for eight years?

There is much more wrong with S8 than shown in the video. And the biggest culprit is not named - the total destruction of consistency in the world, the characters and in turn - immersiveness. Throughout the entire season the viewer does not understand why the characters act the way they do, why the world suddenly doesn't work according to the established rules and - the absolute worst - why what happens on the screen does not correlate at all to what happens immediately after. If whatever happens is inconsequential, then nothing you see really matters... so why care (or even watch) at all? We see all Dothraki die only to be resurrected in seemingly even greater numbers. Major characters are shown in certain death situations only for the scene to cut and them to be perfectly fine later. Scorpions are unbeatable weapons of mass destruction in one episode only to be completely ineffective in another. Dany flies miles above the sea and does not see the fleet which shoots at her (from two separate directions, to boot!). Cersei is free to kill all her enemies in one swoop, including easily shooting down the last dragon and she.. just doesn't. King's Landing is suddenly on the edge of a desert even though it was always a coastal town surrounded by cliffs and forests. People teleport themselves all around the place, without rhyme or reason, being anywhere the plot requires them to be. And this is just the obvious plot holes, ignoring the inexcusable character assassinations of pretty much the entire cast, complete ignorance of meticulously established world building etc. Basically the season systematically destructs all suspension of disbelief on all possible levels, leaving one completely unengaged and emotionally uninvested. To say that the season was "rushed" and that the ending was "underwhelming" is an understatement beyond belief - the entire show is actually eviscerated from within in a way which is frankly astounding. If someone was tasked with totally (and retroactively!) ruining the show on purpose while not being too open about it, I'm not sure he could find a better way to do it than what D&D managed to achieve.

I expected a Good Final Season. Expectations Subverted.

You could have made this video a lot shorter, by simply saying the show fell off once they ran out of Book materiel. Once the show passed the books, it got worse extremely fast

The laser sight on Tyrion and forced him to say good things was amazing 😂🤣

I like people who recommend Game of Thrones for me. "It's just five seasons" "But... HBO says eight?" "Five Seasons. If you really squint, maybe six... but mostly five"

Man, Peter Dinklage's eyes tell such lies in that interview. He's literally talking like someone who knows his words can be used against him in court.

The sad part is that GOT initially was good because it was so shocking. What D&D didn’t realize is that those shocking things were satisfying, and instead just tried to make things as shocking as possible.

The third episode was so dark only to hide bad editing. Earlier seasons also had night battles and they look great.

HBO: "What do we say to good writing?" D&D: "Not today" GOT fans hear news about the new star wars trilogy: "The north remembers..."

Personally, I simply don't agree with you on the battle scene being good in any way, but I have a much bigger problem with your stance on that episode: Your solution doesn't address the problem with the Night King. If they did exactly what you said, it would have ended on a higher note, but it still would have sucked overall. Aside from being anticlimactic in the worst possible way, putting the battle with the White Walkers so early was objectively a deflation of the tension, which is bad by your own rules. The Night King is basically the Satan of the GoT universe. His mere existence is an end-of-the-world level threat, whereas the struggle for the throne of Westeros has never even been the biggest political threat. A supernatural war for the fate of all life makes political strife seem rather insignificant by comparison. Furthermore, you're flat-out wrong about the story "not being about the Night King". The white walkers are the first things we see in the entire series. It's obvious from the get-go that the point of the series isn't who sits on the throne, but that the struggle for the throne is distracting us from a much bigger problem. Ending with any other conflict isn't just inherently deflating the tension, _it fundamentally invalidates the premise of the entire story._

Ramsay did warn us that there wasn't going to be a happy ending... he was right in the end. Honestly, I just couldn't believe how bad this ending was. It takes effort to mess up this bad. I wish NK won, that would better than whatever D&D gave us.

There are actually many more problems: Daenerys' second dragon died in an absurd way since from that distance in the air Daenerys should have been able to see the enemy fleet next to them, and therefore, have moved away and the dragon would not have died. If the dragon does not die she does not have any excuses to get crazy, so the whole final part is disassembled. And it should be added that the death of the night king is ridiculous since he was the real enemy of the series, his arrival should have been terrible and he had a lot of potential to make an epic ending, instead, they decided to kill him in an episode which is already ridiculous And you could keep counting mistakes infinitely at the end of this series.

"It would be like killling Snoke then killing Palpatine" JJ Abrams browsing through KZfaq furiously scribbling notes: "Brilliant!"

*Both book and show start with white walkers* D&D: "I guess they are not that important."

2:10 its exactly like how Sansa was forced to say i love my beloved Joffrey

Not to mention how they didn’t use the Golden Army, the Dorthraki magically reappearing, and how The Greyjoy fleet being a threat one episode and being a push over the next.

A reminder that the same writers have also said that "Dany wasn't like her father. She wasn't going insane" in another commentary track. I guess they forgot about that...

"Just take your time." HBO: You can do 10 seasons. D&D: Star Wars. GRRM: I think they can squeeze at least 12 seasons out of my books. D&D: STAR - WARS!

Well, tbh this Battle about the Iron throne was the first episode of GoT I ever saw, for some reason. And while watching it, I didn't know Daenerys had been built up as a person who wants to rather protect civilians, and still it felt absolutely weird that she killed them all. Even this Episode (?) was built all around whether or Not the city surrenders. It was said multiple times that no civilians will be harmed if the city surrenders. And then Boom, Bells are ringing, they give up. Reward? THEY ALL BURN!!! Even without the buildup over years, that Episode felt weird as heck. It made no sense at all.

Can't believe you completely skipped over Jaime's character development being destroyed for no narrative reason

We want justice. Lords begin to laugh. Brilliant cut sir, brilliant cut.

I feel so sorry for the actors who spent ten years of their lives devoted to this and having to not betray the directors as in a way they owe their fame to GOT. They still have to be interviewed and talk about it and find some sort of closure for themselves.

There's another piece: much like how not all the Wonder Woman 1984 scenes serve a purpose, you can edit out all the White Walker scenes and not change the plot. You could have had John Snow just protect the northern wall against just the wildlings, and not have to change a thing.

The thing that bothers me the most about the night king is that he just dies and is gone and you never even learn WTF he even is or why he exists.

the water bottle and Starbucks coffee cup made viewers mad because we had already thought D&D didn't put a lot of effort into writing it, then we see water bottles and Starbucks and think man, this really does how much lack of effort was put into it all

2:40 The water bottle and the starbucks cup are a symbol. A symbol of how little the creators cared.

Season 6 & 7 -"lets just take this super slow so another books comes out" Season 8 - "Let's just smush everything into this final season"

The reason the season was bad was because, they literarily threw out the character progression from every character and made them do things that betrayed all the progress they had been making.

What pisses me off the most is visually everything was AMAZING! But the visuals couldn't be backed by coherent writing.

1. Subvert 2. The 3. Expectations

Dani lawn mowering the citizens of kings landing with her dragon for no reason is sort of like mucking around in a video game and randomly trying to kill NPCs for no reason... Despite being "the hero" who saved them all

Denarius "just goes mad" at the end of the season was pretty weak writing. I think they were too focused on making her the final boss and ignoring previous events to achieve it! Like everything she does in the final season makes no sense

Arya: Has a Stealth segment where she barely escapes low level white walkers (with lots of hiding spots) Also Arya: Sneaks past all of the Night King's generals (in an open area) and walkers for a stealth takedown.

The water bottle and the starb's cup are interesting representations of the basically "we don't give a shit about this show anymore" attitude of the writers and directors.

Even in the quarantaine no one is rewatching GoT. Good Job Dan & Dave, you proved that George was the succes behind it, you killed it.

"I don't care about smaller nitpicky things like who becomes king" The show is called Game of Thrones.... The whole show is people fighting over the throne. Why is who becomes king a nitpick?

Chekov's rule of writing: if you want to use a gun in the third act, you must have that gun hanging over the fireplace in the first act. Chekov's Corrolary: if you have introduced guns, knives and poison in the first act and second act, and have all the characters and plot pointing at those guns, knives and bottles of poison, you'd damn well better use them and not let your characters all die of old age because you might think you're 'edgy' but in reality you're just a BAD STORYWRITER

GOT fans: Yo, guys the ending of GOT is gonna be lit. GOT: *pulls out uno reverse card*

It’s so sad for the actors and crew who worked together for years, built up a huge loyal fan base and believed they were part of something that they could look back on with pride. I just don’t understand the showrunners throwing all that good will and effort away with shortcuts and poor writing. I can only suppose they were keen to move on to new projects and new contracts and thought they were screen gods who could get away with anything.

I basically want to forget Season 8 exists, and I've made pretty good progress with forgetting many of the details. I don't think changing the pacing and where events happen would save the show, there are too many unsatisfying plot elements. We had a GOT death pool game at my office where we guessed who would die and who would survive. I won the pool with 90% accuracy based on who I thought the writers could safely kill without upsetting fans and who they wouldn't dare touch. I even got the dragons right. But at that point, they're basically writing a fanfic. Despite winning the money, the fact that it was so predictable was very upsetting. And the one thing that wasn't predictable was how bad it was.

The water bottles and coffee cup were indicative of how little effort the producers put into the program. If they can't be bothered to catch their mistakes in post-production

"Commentary tracks aren't part of the narrative." BEST. QUOTE. EVER. 😂😂😂 🤟

I remember watching one of "Talking Thrones" episodes, where he read out a supposed plot leak of the final season. I felt bad because I do believe some of the "leaks" he platformed were legit. The ending to that version went something like this (generalizing): -The army of the dead advance on Winterfell, they sack it. Most of the main characters flee a victories, unconquerable force. -The remnants of the north move south to warn the next victims, mix of no one listening, to eventual panic and mass flight to escape the dead. -Cerci must help to confront the NK, because there is no choice in the matter, Kings Landing will be sacked. -Things are looking grave by the end of the storyline, each force that confronts the dead are smaller than the previous and the dead obviously only grow larger. -Jon Snow and Bran are at the final scene against the NK. The NK even took a bunch of blows and stabs of valerian steel, did not harm him after all. -Bran had been stuck in a Worg state for some time. Bran told Jon he would try to do something to defeat the NK. -The show takes you to Bran's worg travel. Bran thought that perhaps he could stop the NK from ever existing in the first place. He worgs to a scene previously shown in the show, when the children of the forest stab the man who would become the NK. But Bran's intervention takes a turn for the worst, perhaps. He is assaulted by the children, and is taken to that very spot we saw the man who would be the NK. Bran now takes that place, the children drive the danger into Bran's gullet. -At the final moments of complete doom, Jon has by and large given up, but notices something about Bran's worging. His eyes are not clear white, they are ice blue.....Jon stabs Bran with Arya's dagger (she was killed by the NK). The blue worg eyes of Bran fades, and the NK shatters, the dead are defeated. A lot of the details are missing here, but man I was pretty excited to see how those plot points would unfold, and I thought it was somewhat clever. That fake plot leak was so much better of a progression than what was put out. I was extra disappointed when seeing the final season, thinking about the better version that was apparently fan fiction.

The problem with got isn't just the last season,the problem keeps growing from season 6,where every narrative get destroyed,and the rules that made the show different from others were forgotten.

As a fan of the books (and someone who hasn't watched much of the show) I would argue that saying that the White Walkers are a 'stepping stone villain' is missing the point entirely. There's a reason that their influence is the first thing that we see in the books (and I believe the show as well), it's because they're supposed to be the overwhelming threat which will make Westeros pull away from its own self-interest. It's supposed to be an ever-growing threat that builds and builds in the background of the story that influences people to make interesting choices. Killing off the leader of the White Walkers in a single move in a single episode in essence makes everything that came before it entirely meaningless and suddenly you're left wondering why the Wildlings couldn't have managed to pull it off themselves.

Another strong way of justifying Dany's destruction of King's Landing would have been to kill Rhegal after the bells began to toll. Rather than pointlessly in episode 4.

dany could've become the most badass, legendary, mad queen but then we got this. as a dany stan and somone who's rooting for her, this shit still hurtin

One of the main issues for me was Jon Snow. His character felt like playing MMORPG game building 100 Level immortal character and then when you are about to take down the biggest boss your character gets stolen and you have to sign in with Facebook again. They Ned Starked the whole series.

well, that Palpatine is Snoke and then dies line aged too damn well.

When you get paid anyway, no matter how lousy a job you do...

I don't really disagree, but... I guess you skimmed over the whole "Danny forgot about the fleet" bit? The season was full of little slaps in the face, with the ones you listed being the more notable ones. But, honestly, I don't think solving these 3 things alone would have made it a good season. A mediocre one, perhaps, but still not up to par.

"Maybe it's because Emilia Clarke actually wears clothes in this season." D I S A P P O I N T I N G

Arya Stark went to a new world, and became the ancestor of Tony Stark.

Half of the characters had a personality assassination in order to fulfill the shitty plot.

The biggest problem I had with the ending (among many) is that the revelation of Jon Snow actually being a Targaryen (one of the coolest moments of the series imo), ended up having ZERO impact whatsoever. What was the point of revealing that if it had no purpose in the ending?? That story line had the potential to create a badass ending to tie everything together, but it didn't. The show didn't tie ANYTHING together. It just came off as lazy and rushed. People get pissed when you end up wasting 8 years of their lives, building up to a climax that never happens, more than once.

So...you say Dany's change isn't that out of character.... But then you go on to say her actions and decisions aren't deserved or properly justified So... *out of character*

"Joking criticism about how the episode was too dark" Imma stop you there. I literally spent fifteen minutes wondering wtf was wrong with my screen, trying every combination of settings possible, including watching it with the duvet over my head in the bed-cave. It turns out I wasn't missing much, because it was nothing but fake-out deaths, followed by an ending with zero emotional resonance.

The Night King did nothing. Arya did nothing. Jon Snow did nothing. Bran did nothing. Cersi did nothing. The Golden Compass did nothing. Are you starting to see the problem here?

This guy would be an insane script doctor, I can't get enough of his videos

Her previous decisions have all been targeted at the ones in power however. The reason we all hated this was because she burned the wrong people. Torching the castle is fine, but to her army she torched a salve master, to take control of the city was ruling recently she killed the slave masters. To get her dragons back she torche a the wizards. Everytime she has killed people it has been those who deserved it. Here she can hear that the city surrenders, they are no longer fighting her. Yet she murders more than a million people anyway. That isn't like her. In the books its different because we hear her going more and more insane, but the show doesn't give us any build up to that eventuality.

George R. R. Martin: Okay, so Dany is going to become evil by the end of the series, so you might want to start building that up early in Season 7. D&D: Got it. _2 years later_ D&D: ...Aw shit, knew we forgot something.

She views her dragons as her own children. In season 4 episode 10, Daenerys chains her dragons becase a SINGLE child is killed. She had just freed people that was chained, calling herself the BREAKER OF CHAINS. She burns down an entire city filled with children, that is in conflict with her character.

The longest night, blink and you'll miss it Break the wheel and two more will take its place, Hail Bran

After watching this video I decided to go and binge the entire show for the first time and even thought I knew exactly what was coming... somehow it still managed to be a disappointment

It was the best show ever made to the worst ending ever made

"a few key narrative decisions" You must be the kindest soul ever to be able to put it that mildly.

i still havent seen the end of got. after s8e3 i just couldnt subject myself to watch more episodes.

"You can't just explain it to the audience, you have to build it up" I think this guideline could also work for Zack Snyder's recent movies. A lot of people mocked the Martha moment in BVS for sounding ridiculous and only later on, when reading the script and director's commentary, they got some explanations. But you can't just show something and trust your audience to immediately grasp why it matters and you certainly cannot wait for the director's commentary option to better explain it. You either build up the moment or you don't write it in. A lot of the backlash could have been avoided if he hadn't paid so much attention to symbolism...

You know what would REALLY subvert expectations these days? Not going for the plot twist

Common theme: the late comers thought the ending was fine, the people who've been here from the start thought it was terrible.

2:08 You can see Billie Lourd cringing after asking Peter Dinklage that question. It's as if she knew what horrors would come.

You missed all the legends and myths created by George that were gradually forgotten by the show, it felt like a huge betrayal too.

I don't want to die, Jaime. Jaime: OK, OK, just stand a few feet away from me and you'll be fine.

The whole issue with this season's plot is not what they did but HOW they did it. Execution was rushed and poor

It took all three dragons converging on one ship to burn it down when Danny left Merian. Drogon flamethrowered the Night King with no real effect to the surrounding area. Jon Snow hid behind a rock to no get incinerated by zombie dragon. Dragon fire is currently just a flamethrower. It shoots out alot of fire that quickly burns everything. Flash to final battle. Drogon can now breathe fire so hard it has explosive properties. By just blowing fire at something all these giant stone structures explode like its nothing. The ships at sea explode, the castle explodes, and the city gate explodes. It essentially turned super sayain.

Danny could have literally blown up the castle and let cersie burn.

HBO: "D&D, here's all my money, make as many seasons as you want !!" D&D: "Star Wars" HBO: "Then let's hire some new great show runners to work on the last seasons" D&D: "NO, this show is mine, MY PRECIOUS !!" Fans: "Where is my Frodo Baggins when I need him ?!?!"

The Ultimate GoT Plot Twist: Backstabbing the audience

Imagine Game of Thrones final seasons with the same quality as in first seasons- it would have been the most rewatched show during the pandemic. Instead it was completely forgotten 2 weeks after it ended (and all the memes dried out)

5:53 No. I disagree. The very first thing we see in the series are the Whitewalkers. They were the real, and eventually only threat to anyone. More than half the series is all about John Snow trying to convince everyone that they were the real threat. And in the end they die with a single dagger, from Arya of all people. Damn, Sam killing the Night King would've made more sense.

I agree it was the buildup for Dany...yes it was foreshadowed BUT she also put her dragons in chains to save people, freed slaves..the only way to justify that is madness BUT there was no explanation of that. I could not buy into it.