I use Blender as my video editing software, it is much more low level and I prefer that.

You dont get it dude, it was just another misunderstanding!

I was going to look into this software, but then they f'd it up with the threat.

@TechCowboy For me it was the silent revocation of the lifetime license. Lifetime has a special legal meaning. They knew what they were doing and that how they were doing it looks sketchy and underhanded. I'd you need the recurring revenue sit down with your user base and be upfront about it. Compensate them in some way for ending "lifetime" upgrades. Reach an agreement with most of your users. There are about 1000 better ways to do this. The real cherry on the poop sundae was the copyright strike they issued to threaten his channel. That's not sketchy. IMHO that's straight up dirty. I'm feeling like I dodged a bullet because I had been hearing good things about them.

You know if you would have paid it would have nullified your lifetime and their lawyer probably told them people are dumb they dont read and when they do it they can eliminate those licenses I say let them go bankrupt they showed they have no love but for money and loyalty means nothing they literally tried to buy your silence what else they willing to do>???

If we stay strong, we win. That's my belief

i had to pay for filmora 11 without noticing that i need to pay more, they are a meme company. even filmora is not a good editing app infact its one of the worse, time to switch to adobe

@@itomar423 adobe is many times worse my friend.

@@borontv6400 so u don't know how to edit, i switched to primer pro year ago and its way better, u cant do so many things in filmira

​@@itomar423time to switch to Davinci Resolve 👍

Had this myself with their free version software carrot trick to buy full version.

Hey man, put Daniel in contact with Nick Rekieta, Uncivil Law and them fellas. They know their way around the YT DMCA crap and can hopefully help him out.

@@tuloko16 Nick Rekieta is such a horrible lawyer and person. He loses more then he wins.

Great Louis...enter the comments and loved your reaction video

Great to see your here Louis Rossmann! Thanks for making us aware they even do fishy things with their other software.

Things are changing rapidly. Stay tuned

It doesn't go to KZfaq for review, instead it goes back to Filmora who can just deny it. After that, any further action has to go to court.

Take your support of Daniel's channel to Twitter. Filmora (and companies like it) NEED us...we don't "need" them. We have options. Spread the word on Twitter

KZfaq gave company power to claim/takedown video , at the same time youtube will refuse to be mediator between these two. When that happen, you are facing the entity who f*ck you up with their all mighty power youtube gave them.

Unfortunately, KZfaq lets the person making the strike handle the appeal and decide whether it's really a strike or not. KZfaq does not handle appeals themselves. Unless they get embarrassed enough.

I agree, the deck is stacked in favor of the companies who ask to have the content removed and it's not worth fighting that. Better to just call them out publicly and shame them for what they are doing.

Wondershare does seem to be heading into a Streisand effect (or something like it) very quickly. They could have easily done nothing and this would probably blow over after awhile. But now they're not only ticking off long time users, but they are showing bad faith and will lose sales to new users as they may find this video.

Smells of "New boss has taken over and CLEARLY knows better than previous ones" and is making sweeping changes. Which in turn usually smells of things going badly behind the scenes.

Idk why algorithm brought me here but I agree, why the heck are companies scrambling all at once 💀

It's a combination of hubris and stupidity. The world is full of supposedly smart people who can't perform the basic of critical thought in order to understand what the 2nd, 3rd and successive order consequences of their actions. Consequently, they will be shocked when their business begins to tank.

@@demicus I disagree, I think this was the goal all along. This license agreement never felt right with the amount of pushing of subscription payments they were doing for special effects and fonts an other glitz. Every time I pushed the update button, I crossed my fingers and hoped this wouldn't be the time they demanded payment. Glad I saw these videos first.

The saga continues

Ay... This is not the conduct of a reliable company to trust with your business. I got to think they're pretty desperate for more sales at this point and possibly doomed to fail. Why else paint themselves as a company who's risky to do business with - shady in one way than probably shady in other ways. The "Lifetime licenses" sold so many years ago can't possibly be a significant percentage of the addressable market for their product; this decision which cannabilizes their entire user community who would otherwise be evangelizing their product clearly a costly move, And I'd suspect hardly any of those people will be happily springing for that Version 12... Why pay extra for the Lifetime if you were willing to buy a subscription? I imagine the Terms being a huge factor in those users' purchasing decision.

Well said! Daniel's a more patient man than I could be in this situation. I hope the company can see the light and takes care of the problem.

Sounds like it's time to lawyer up, they're going after Daniel personally - despite Filmora's own wrong doing and manipulative and predatory business practices. I think it's time for them to be served a class action lawsuit, at the very least to protect yourself and others legally from their own ill designs.

@@futuza Well I would suggest people start by filing complaint forms with the FTC if they dishonored your Lifetime license purchase. Class action would fail if some of the terms in the EULA were upheld, But the FTC is not beholden to the EULA and can pursue penalties under Unfair business practice statutes which the FTC can enforce.

Absolutely

This Daniel guy is the most professional and articulate person I have seen a million years. I am seriously impressed.

Same thing 100% with you, didn't know about him or anyone until now. But now I've subscribed, liked and will follow. Companies like this should not be allowed to do stuff like this. Especially if it is a SPONSORED video from them.

Same…

Same with me. I consider myself pretty nonconfrontational, sometimes to a fault so, but I honestly admire the sincere calm and positive stance Daniel (?) takes in this issue while taking a stand.

It reads like they've hired lawyers, but what they should hire is a better PR team.

They are a Chinese company.

We should create a movie out of it.

What they need to hire is a leader committed to living up to their promises. I was a short time user. Bought 11 about 4 days before the 90 day window. I understood what I was purchasing and for me, I have to pay if I want to upgrade. For prior users, the company needs to live by their word. Since they won’t, I’ve moved on to Davinci Resolve and will not be upgrading.

@@biblestudybyvideo Bible Study, Filmora is a Chinese company, so they act like the CCP.

So glad I watch your videos, was in the market for a video editing software and dodge a bullet with Filmora thanks to you, now I’m learning the ropes with DaVinci resolve. Thanks brother for having the balls to stand up for what’s right and expose what seems to be a BS move by this company. Stay strong!

Ohhh boy, so someone at filmora thought "Hey he's criticizing us, go and post a DMCA claim on one of his videos sponsored by us to scare him and put him in line." Right now, if the filmora guys are reading these comments, and one of them, who is not a complete imbecile, decides to ask a lawyer "Hey lawyer, are we in trouble?" The lawyer, if he is being gentle, will just tear them a new one and tell them to retract the DMCA claim and publicly apologize.😹 Any lawyer seeing this will have a field day with filmora.

Agree, I hope Daniel finds the right lawyer, Filmora messed up big time by requesting a strike on that specific video.

Yes. Sue them (or at least send them a letter through your lawyer)

Might be a good topic for Leonard French of Lawful Masses to pick up or if you want to go bold, Devin of Legal Eagle might be interested.

What a legend

Appreciated!!

Im very grateful and it wasn’t even donated to me. Lmao You’re an amazing human being, Paul!

@@TweekLudwig Thanks. The only way the world will be a good place is if we become the type of person we want others to be. So I try to give others the support I'd like when I need it.

I agree

Their current sponsorships are really horrible. I had an actual deal with them but now they just reach out to anyone, regardless of niche and offer them horribly low amounts of money to make Filmora videos.

It's just a matter of time until he gets a cease and desist for slander. Some companies roll this way. Nintendo is another great offender of intimidation.

Actually, this should get support from some bigger channels like LinusTechTips!

yeah everyone should help by clicking the thumbs up !!

Agreed

@@stysner4580 Nintendo currently holds the title of king of anti-consumerism.

It really is amazing how many companies don’t seem to grasp how the Streisand Effect works. They may well end up sinking the brand (and at this point m I’d say that is totally fair.). What’s sad is, I’m sure they still believe they are in the right. Now, legally speaking, they probably would win, just due to the state of consumer right’s law in the US. But from the “doing the right thing,” angle they really went full evil corporation. As a software developer I honestly understand the pain of having existing “lifetime licenses” on your books. I commented to the original video noting that it’s like a debt you can never pay down. However, that’s not any of the license holders fault. Issuing these kinds of licenses early on in a product’s life is incredibly common, well it used to be at least. It’s a calculated risk, taking every step possible to increase their market share in the space. Most companies tend to think, having too many lifetime users is a luxury problem. So they make an offer few could refuse, if they have the means to make the purchase. Virtually every company that does this knows that, apart from add ons, that’s then end of that revenue stream from that user. But when you’re just trying to get your foot in the door, it’s usually gamble worth taking. Then you have companies like the creators of Filmora. At some point someone high up the chain of command likely decided they needed to “fix” this “problem.” So they execute a plan, that at least legally speaking, would probably stand up in court. Of course having a legal right, and how enforcing it will be received are two different animals. Honestly, I wouldn’t give them a second chance. The main reason is this wasn’t some executive making a rash decision in the heat of the moment. They executed a plan over a number of years to create the legal groundwork to take this final step. It speaks volumes about how they see their user base. Some may try to say, “it’s just business.” But businesses are run by people and their actions reflect the views and beliefs of those people. There is a phrase that’s currently in vogue, that I think applies here. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

Thankfully it worked out well for the voices who came together

@@Daniel_Batal i just found that out lol. thats great. you did it

how is that any different from any other company?

Is Filmora ran by WOKE Democrats now?

@@doggonervn211 being woke is the new business model, no political affiliation required.

we all know they wont though

@@oooda231 Actually yes, they will... if you push hard enough and get lawyers involved.

@@christopherkidwell9817, but that costs money.

@Christopher Kidwell will if you legally force them, which is STILL not 100%, as a VERY expensive option isn't exactly the way it should be for obvious cases of abuse.

They need to be sued for facilitating false claims on fair use.

I won't be using it in my studio either.

It won't be used in my studio either

I abandoned the thought of using Filmora long ago. Give Camtasia a try. It's much easier to work with.

My goal has always been to help unite our voices so that we can hopefully be heard. Flying off the handle doesn't help that whatsoever. Our voices coming together in unison is what can affect change in corporate policy. Stay tuned!

Honestly how petty of a company profiting off of videos like Daniel’s

@@Daniel_Batal thanks for doing these videos sharing the information so that we consumers don't support companies like this

@@Daniel_Batal I wish I had your stoicism. Top man

@@Daniel_Batal That is a great disposition to have. I wish it were more commonplace these days.

Video found their way into my recommendations too! Like yourself, I am certainly no video editor. However, due to this guy’s calm and collected nature, honesty and decency, I’ve decided to sub! Definitely a decent bloke if you ask me.

Same here. I saw the first and then followed it to his channel and watched the second and then subbed.

Same.

I was brought to the channel through this saga too

same with me

The only contact I had with any wondershare product was through the occasional "Dr. Fone" "ad" that would pop up occasionally when searching for a specific fix for a phone. It was clear to me that their promises were over the top and they couldn't hold them, e.g. "recover any data from any phone" or something like that. The weird wording of the article would almost certainly make sure it is just in place to lure people into buying their useless software suite. I found a working solution with other software nearly every time, and after seeing this shitshow there is no way I would buy ANY software made by their, now clearly deep down shady, company

That's what Chinese companies do.

@@earlysda just checked it and Wondershare seems to be based in Shenzen. That explains a lot of their business tactics...

@@wishihadablog Yes. I feel for Daniel getting the short end of the stick, but perhaps thru this many peope will learn to steer clear of Chinese products as much as possible.

Wow, Thanks for the tip.... I have a 1 year VIP access on a Chinese app video editor. I will just have to take their Pro features and use it to my advantage instead.

Yeah that's the real shame in all this, isn't it? A bunch of users screwed over, a youtube content creator screwed over, and a bunch of employees that had no say in an incredibly poor decision who are now associated with a company that is dragging its own reputation through the gutter... and all for a quick money grab that all but ensures that their brand becomes radioactive. What makes it even worse is that the software is actually good, the people who worked on it should be proud of what they accomplished and instead they're gonna be ashamed of being associated with these actions that were likely directed by a few shortsighted execs.

Same. I don't even edit videos yet all 3 have shown up in my feed and I've watched every one of them.

Same here. I don't care about video editing at all, but I love legal "mumbo jumbo". I love it when a person is right, and feels he is right, and can properly explain why he is right, but is at the same time being wronged, and looking forward to the aftermath. KZfaq knew my taste well when they suggested the first video a couple of days ago. I hopz to see this conclude further without the need to subscribe to Daniel. Daniel deserves all support, but me as a subscriber is meaningless to his channel if I don't share the same interests.

Same here. I know nothing about these programs (Mostly a Linux user), but in the near future when I need to edit video in Windows (Upcoming work project), I will absolutely disregard anything with made by or associated with, Filmora. I don't pay money to companies with that kind of attitude.

@@stop_tryharding But on the bright side, the execs get bonuses from the short term additional income & go on to get hired as execs at the next job.

And then they get shut down because the only law broken was deceptive advertising. Not even something the FTC does anything about unless it hits millions of people.

Definitely file a report under consumer protection laws.

Yeah. They cannot give a clear definition of what the license purchase entails and then change it on the fly later. it is a legally binding agreement and under terms like these, no contract or agreement would have any meaning.

But they didn't nullify the contract? They just laid out a different set of schemes so that they release essentially a different product "upgrades" which is not under that contract. Like they added a new thing that isn't covered uner a stupid word technicality. They didn't alter the lifetime license right?

@@slashing_S As far as I listened. They just forced every user with "lifetime license" into a "perpetual license" right? Would that count?

Unfortunately they are hiding behind the "they can revolk at anytime".

What are you going to sue them for? Lost revenue on the video? That's going to be a LOT less than the cost of going to trial. It would be ridiculous to sue them, and they know it. They always win.

@@dmhendricks stuff like false marketing....

@Daniel M. Hendricks Filing a false DMCA complaint is perjury, which is against the law. It seems like it would be pretty easy for him to prove that this video was part of his negotiated brand ambassador deal, which would prove that the claim is false, and given the timing of the strike it would be apparent it was also in bad faith.

@@dmhendricks dude, there are so many things to sue them for right now. DMCA abuse as well as blatant false advertising. A good lawyer could pull a lot of money out of this.

If Daniel were giving upgrades instead of updates, you'd have to pay money.

@@TheEndKing Daniel has more integrity than that. The discussion isn't about Daniel and "what if." We're dealing with facts and reality here.

@@TheEndKing 😂😂😂😂

@@TheEndKing 😆😆🤣🤣

Seems like we need to take this battle to Twitter... for even MORE traction. 🔥

I just sent my tweet to the company. Daniel, iHope this helps! This is low, to come after Daniel's primary channel because THEY want to rob & scheme...and got caught ripping people off??? That's not okay.

Just found Dan's channel, earned my sub just based on the BS Filmora is putting him through. Seems like a chilled dude.

Count me in.. shields up!

Team Daniel sounds good to us!💪 we're in

I have hard copies of every video I’ve ever made. I advise every creator to do the same

It’s frustrating for sure. I’m hoping for resolution of these issues.

Such naivety. Lawyers aren't stupid. It's not "knowingly false" if they "believe" what they are doing is legal (that would be unknowingly false). What are you going to sue them for? Lost revenue on a video? That will be a LOT less than the cost of going to court, and they know it. They *always* win.

@@dmhendricks I see you commenting with no knowledge on DMCA on a few comment threads. Stop it. It was a sponsored video. They entered into contract with him to make that video. That constitutes a clear "knowingly false" claim. In addition, it doesn't matter what they (or you for that matter) THINK is legal. Making a false DMCA claim is perjury, and large companies have lost suits from youtubers over FAR less cut and dry situations than this one.

Also precedent for this in regards to KZfaq.

@@dmhendricks It was a sponsored video. They have a contract instructing him to use the asset they now claim was copyright infringement. There is no way they can argue that was in good faith. And yes, suing them is a pointless endeavour. Even if you are basically guaranteed a win, the damage is negligible, so there is no point. If they remove the strike, that is. You can still sue them for injunctive relief if they don't.

I learnt my lesson back in Adobe CS5. Adobe removed a great feature called self-made sliders. Despite huge backlash. Then they went very cloudy. To hell with Adobe, Filmora or any of them. Now I use Linux and FOSS.

It never goes well IN THOSE SITUATIONS YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT. Think about the millions of times this happens silently in the night, and then it does go 'well' for the company involved. In the cases you've heard about, there's a victim above a certain threshold of online reach.

When narcissists run a company this is what happens. They never learn because they can´t see anything wrong with it.

It happens because these companies are run by sociopaths. Those are the sort of people that always float to the top. It's not a bug, it's a feature.

@@liquidsnow1 It has nothing to do with the individuals involved, the profit motive is to blame. The people at the top are completely normal and empathetic, they do what they are required to do by their fiduciary duty to shareholders without feeling.

start learning davinci resolve

there are several apps people i know use for editing and tell people to go for over this, more so since this behavior started but before that due to some support issues they had that took a long time to fix, including activation issues with lifetime licences before this change... just a pita... hell... one gal i know went back to using vegas, Pinnicle, Avid, corel, power director, and other well known apps, including lightworks, the number of people i know using vegas has grown alot in the last couple years...

Agreed

They are acting exactly like any Chinese company should be expected to act. Go to China and you will see just how far the Chinese will go to censor and stop those they don't agree with.

Try Da Vinci Resolve instead! 🤩

X2 on Da Vinci Resolve which is FREE. Get your money back (& quote this BS they are pulling as to why while your at it). Da Vinci Resolve has a bigger learning curve but is a far more powerful editor & now Danial Batal and I'm sure others will be making some great how to videos to learn Da Vinci Resolve. Filmora can't be trusted anymore not to pull a fast one on you one of these days. For all you know they may lock you out of some features with an update one of these days.

In addition to Resolve, I would also recommend people take a look at KdenLive. Unlike Resolve, KdenLive is open source with a GPL 3 license. With a proprietary license, the free version of Resolve can always be retracted, with GPL, KdenLive will always be free in more ways than one.

@RECREVNT what does that 'BS licensing model' mean ?

Yep

Same here. Now I know to stay away from this program lol I sorta wanna learn video editing to make random videos (mostly gameplay stuff) but I've heard Davinci Resolve is a good free program for that.

Just don't upgrade until they force us.

Lost me. I was interested in buying the software and checked KZfaq to see it in action. Found Daniel's first video and now I'm sure, that I won't buy anything from that shady company.

Don't back down.

This is a Chinese company.

Thanks. I’m hoping things work out. Situation is evolving rapidly. Stay tuned

I don't follow him either, what I can suppose though is that it came up because I follow LawTube.

Same here, I have no interest in video editing, but youtube recommended this video to me, sounds like you got a powerhouse supporting you 😉

Exactly! And that is what I expected them to do. Instead they are throwing a tantrum like a hurt toddler.

Will do. I've got an entire Shorts series on my channel homepage covering daily Resolve tips.

I'll say this, they already crossed a legal line. Those who bought lifetime licenses are under the original EULA, not any updated ones, because their licenses are from that time, so they can't be held to the terms of any updated license. That includes the original definition they gave of "updates," which was pretty clear and would cover Filmora 12 as well as future versions. It would be a shame if no one sues Wondershare over this.

There's no repercussions for using the DMCA as a weapon. Sure it's illegal but the law has no teeth.

@@cabin98 yes, maybe as a China based company Filmora isn't aware of this, but they've opened themselves up to lawsuits by not honoring the licenses that were bought.

@@cabin98 If so, it should be a class action lawsuit. I'd be in, even if I no longer wish to use Filmora after this crap.

What production company do you run? Definitely a path I wish I would have taken.

@@michaelmeredith5908 Icon Industries, we're a small marketing and video company in San Diego. We do primarily branded social media content and social media management for businesses, but there are always side projects (films, music videos, etc) going on as well

I need the head of power in that company to step down and apologize and never be in power again. Or they should burn to the ground and I feel no sympathy for every bit of money they have to spend as they crumble under lawsuits and public disapproval

I had never heard of Daniel until a few minutes ago when I saw his first video about this. I’d never heard of Filmora, either, but I do create and edit videos and have been looking for a new software to use. I can definitely say that I will never buy anything from this company under any circumstance, because they’ve proven their word means absolutely nothing, and they will just twist their TOC to suit their purposes no matter what they say.

@@tarabooartarmy3654 same here I’m sticking to open source software. Sick of these corporate shenanigans If it were me, and it wasn’t just a money grab, which it is, yiu would fork the product into two. One that keeps the legacy functionality with no new features, and newer product that has the new features, and significant functionality that would make upgrading to a value proposition. But nope, they’re clearly a bunch of narcissistic abusive douchebags, that gaslight and lie, and, when you don’t go along with them, punish you and blame your actions for their bad behaviour

@@MidlifeRenaissanceMan Agreed. Open source is the way to go whenever possible. My biggest issue with most open source software is a lack of UX/UI and since I’m a UX/UI designer myself, I may contact some developers and work to improve them because more people need to use open source.