Final Broadhead RESULTS

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Final Broadhead RESULTS - 2022

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Tim and Dan are recapping the season, every animal, every shot and the results from the broadhead and arrow combination. #elkshape #ABT
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@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

Dealers choice! Comment on this comment a video idea you’d love to see.. vote on the ideas you like. Most votes we’ll make that video. YOU choose the video ✊🤙 stay on your grind friends

@jrod4717 Жыл бұрын

How about, if you have a multipin sight and have it moved down, do the other pins hold true? Like bottom pin is normally 40, gets moved to 80, do the other pins hold true at 70 and 60?

@jlef2020 Жыл бұрын

Was watching your video while warming up on the boxer bike at the gym yesterday. I'm a true beginner currently saving for my first hunting compound bow. Doing all my research in the meantime gorging myself on as many hunting/info/skills/product review vids I can in a day. The amount of shared hunting knowledge available is powerful! Back to the gym... Throughout entire workout I was wondering what are best exercises, lifts, stretches, etc...I can start doing now to start becoming bowman fit for 2024. Which exercises will help with certain aspects of my hunts (physical & mental)? If y'all have already posted this content then I'd love a link. Thnx again for sharing your hunts, knowledge and power 🤘

@jlef2020 Жыл бұрын

Sooo, yea... Kinda feel like a dum-dum. Lol Just scrolled thru your ELKSHAPE CAMPS playlist and answered my questions. But, maybe then like crucial top 5 or top 10 fitness/diet musts for hunting season prep? Thnx again✌️

@ThumbsMcThumb Жыл бұрын

Small Game Heads don’t get enough reviews. Sooo “Squirrel Shape”?

@ericlester6497 Жыл бұрын

Tinker with DCA Super Sabers. Similar profile to max hunters but not as loud.

@klundin2000 Жыл бұрын

This is the kind of video that interests me the most. I''m a ABT guy, so to get Dan's review of last years terminal results, observations and analysis was perfect. I look forward to another video next year of the same type of content. Maybe next year my fellow yooper Tim will also have some kills so he can add to Dan's content. Great job guys!!!

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

Thanks for hanging out 🤙

@jons7e Жыл бұрын

A broadhead you guys should consider testing is the Magnus Black Hornet serrated. Lifetime warranty and they fly well, made in USA, and reasonable price

@nathanwade8143 Жыл бұрын

Shooting 27in, 74lbs, and 447g; Dan’s input on his setup breaks my wallet and give me lots of great information to take to my builds and setup. Love the content.

@christianherrington1456 Жыл бұрын

Great information. I killed my first bow Buck in Kansas with a vap tko with a grim reaper micro hades Total weight 485. Quartering to Broke a rib, going in and going out complete pass through. Very big body deer too. Watching y’all have helped some much thank y’all

@BassBucksOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Tac driver 2.75” vanes!! Quietest vane there is in my experience and a 5° offset helical will steer that iron will out past 100 yards. I also shoot 440 TAW!

@FireStartersYG Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review on the broad heads and even more so the advice given through your experience.

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching 🤙

@vancejohnson1778 Жыл бұрын

Hell of a season Dan!! Definitely had some good performance outta your set up! Good luck this year look forward to seeing how it goes 👌

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏

@GBBLGBL Жыл бұрын

Dan...you should take a look at the new RIP SS....exact same gpi of 10.7g as the Axis 300 spine. That arrow is going to be indestructible. I used to shoot the VAP SS before switching to the RIP TKO and those arrows are phenomenal. Only reason I switched is because I like the .204 components much better.

@royhoglund1322 Жыл бұрын

Great season Dan! I think gear recaps of what works and what didn't are great. It reinforces the ABT mentality!

@christiantorres6118 Жыл бұрын

Great content as always! Big thank you for the Elk Shape camp in Arizona. It is an invaluable learning experience that I'll take with me for the rest of my life.

@ApexPredatorOutdoors Жыл бұрын

I agree 100% the Broadhead has more impact than the weight of the arrow. The weight doesn't matter if it can't cut!

@kevinm6161 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Interesting to hear about results from different broadhead use. I used a grim reaper pro series mechanical to kill a AZ muley this month. 79 lb, 28" draw Mathews v3 31, 460 grain RIP TKO. 85 yard shot I broke his right shoulder and arrow ended up poking through the opposite scapula. Buck went less than 100 yards and I heard him crash in less than 10 seconds. Awesome blood trail.

@islandpainter3964 10 ай бұрын

Good job and great observations.. Lets just say, fixed blades insure you are confident the job will get done. Breaking scapula on an elk is and passing through is going to be a short track and a guaranteed kill.

@billyreed2746 Жыл бұрын

Have you ever thought about testing the Sevr Broadlands. I think you'll be very impressed. I plan on using them this year for all my hunts. Fill point accurate out to 80 yards with my setup.

@dylanmusgrave3231 Жыл бұрын

I’ve Been binge watching elk shape videos lately and can’t get enough. love the ABT mindset because I can relate except the wife always wants to kill me 😂

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

Lol ABT

@leroyjones769 Жыл бұрын

I’m with you on the Easton Axis 5mm…can’t wait to watch.

@bencreach7839 Жыл бұрын

Used grim reaper fixed 3 blade hunting this year. Shot my buck about 10 yards away out of a tree stand went straight through and stuck in the ground. Buck went 20 yards and tipped over.

@PrestonV3X Жыл бұрын

ABT! I'd toss my vote in for comparing penetration and flight differences of this years run of arrows (Rip TKO @435 grains) VS the (Match Grade Easton Axis) set up that was mentioned. Same broadhead line ups that was used to for the kill shots on this years successful haul.

@beavercbearing4237 Жыл бұрын

Grim Reapers did very well for me this past season! 🤙🏽

@rorynelson7548 Жыл бұрын

Oh awesome, thanks for talking about the fletchings! I've been really trying to decide between those 2 exact vanes but I noticed the Max Hunters are pretty loud. I bought the Stealth vanes recently, will have to re fletch a few arrows and try them out. Thanks again

@johnkrieg9933 Жыл бұрын

The question to ask is, have you ever shot anything with an iron will that the other broadheads would have done a better job and vice-versa. I'll stick with single bevel cut on contact.

@terrywolford7880 Жыл бұрын

I know I’m late to the party but I very much appreciate the information you share here! Also congratulations on such a awesome hunting season! I’m 73 and still trying to kill my first elk. Though success may not be something we share your arrow and broadhead choices we do share. Several years ago I chose to go with 204/5MM arrows and this year with Iron Will broadheads though I had gone with a cheaper but less durable double bevel broadhead a few years ago. I would have preferred the Iron Will even then if not for the price. I had selected the Victory Xtorsion SS arrow but I learned just this season they are no longer made. They are a bit in the heavy side anyway so more difficult to get a high FOC. I live in NC but hold a Montana general season Elk tag is a major reason for buying the Iron Will DB blades. I only pull about 60 lbs at 27” so I want a high performance blade and arrow combo. I also have the (I think Podium) Titanium 50 gn halfcerts. Anyway, doing my MT hunt DIY, training and dieting. Not a steady shot so keeping shots to 40 yds or less. The best to you and your hunts this year and I encourage everyone to become a Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation member!

@noaht215 Жыл бұрын

Always look forward these vids! Would like to see some tinkering with DCA Custom Vanes!

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

Noted

@fishingwithphil2582 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the honesty and information! Love this channel!

@XXXston3wallXXX Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@h-minus2212 Жыл бұрын

Congratulations on a great season and thank you for wrapping it up and telling us how your equipment performed. This is a great way for people making equipment choices can get some insights and don't have to reinvent the wheel, so to speak.

@jedperalta5280 Жыл бұрын

ive been hunting pronghorn for at least 10 years and a year and a half ago i finally shot my first buck pronghorn at 80yrds spot and stalk with a muzzy shank and pronghorn are one of the most weary, tough to hunt animals in my opinion. they do jump the string like a white tail and they have eyesight like a pair of 20x binoculars they have excellent long distance vision which is why they are on alert and prefer open space to bed and graze

@herdbull365 Жыл бұрын

Great info man!! Great season, congrats on the success 👊🏻

@michaelhoffman1360 Жыл бұрын

Love the Ironwill SB125's.

@stevet3818 Жыл бұрын

Great summary guys! Awesome hunts!

@TrashCanKidZ2024 Жыл бұрын

Dan, if you like the Thorn mechanical. Try out their fixed blade. It’s called the crown. Tuned great out to 80 yards. Took two whitetail with them this year using vap tko at 456 taw. First one quartering away. She went 12 yards. Second one quartering to. He went 30. Massive blood trails. Complete pass through! Keep up the good work fellas! #abt

@douglasvaughn9530 Жыл бұрын

Great job this past year Dan! I think the arrow setup is perfect except for the 6° max helical. With those smaller cut fixed blades I believe 3° helical is perfect. It's not as loud as the 6° and it is more forgivig than the 2.5° offset. I believe the Arizona EZ Fletch jig has a 3° helical option. The Bohning Cauldren is another great option for 3° helical and so is the Bohning Multi Fletch. It's worth a try imo. I'm an ABT guy to the core. Tried just about every fletching, arrow and broadhead combo there is. My setup for the last 3 years has been RIP TKO 350s, 75 grain Ethics Halfout and Iron Will Wide 100s. I'm only hunting Whitetail at 60#, 28" DL though. Anyway, congrats on a great season and I look forward to more great content!

@brettwelch8368 Жыл бұрын

just switched to rip TKO's this year and are absolutely loving them! I also am trying out the super saber 2.0's, instead of the tac vanes I've shot for the last couple of years. I will say they are super quite, and seem like they steer my QAD exodus heads pretty well out to 60 (which is as far as I shoot with broadheads at my skill level.)

@pikdiesel Жыл бұрын

Great season Dan! Love seeing fellow outdoorsman succeed 🤘🏻

@carlv7227 Жыл бұрын

Way to go Dan. Awesome camp this weekend in AZ. This is gonna be the first season I solo elk hunt so thanks for the motivation.

@hllwd101 Жыл бұрын

Awesome vid! Went to podium archery to find some iron wills and they don't got em . Come on MFJJ ! JK Love the recap keep up the hard work so us viewers can keep living vicariously through you .

@jamelledavis4398 Жыл бұрын

Was changing broadheads for next season this video helps alot thanks

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped

@liverpool6380 Жыл бұрын

Love y’all’s contact. I just started getting into archery and love it.

@rudyhuhta9237 Жыл бұрын

This is the content I crave the most! I shot a deer this year with a sevr 2.0 in the worst spot to shoot a deer with that style head and he survived. I don’t have 100% confidence in them anymore and thinking of iron wills this year. Thanks guys and let’s get to 100k!

@RKeaton Жыл бұрын

this is a cool video format when y'all are talking to each other - nice work!

@Thedudeabides803 Жыл бұрын

I just shot my first elk Idaho with a buddy of mine who’s a landowner with a cull tag. Never had eaten elk before and it is so good especially a cow like I got. Going out there next year for an archery bow hunt cannot wait

@brianlattimer9903 Жыл бұрын

Product review on Redline Torch bow site. Might be a real winner. If you guys reviewed it that would be great.

@AndrewPorter10 Жыл бұрын

I started using the Grim reaper broadheads last year. I really like them so far.

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it

@-lovefromnh Жыл бұрын

I like the 125gr Micro Hades. Through and through, two steps and down.

@AndrewPorter10 Жыл бұрын

@-lovefromnh6770 I am using the 100 grain fatal steel expandable.

@Christian-yo3nv Жыл бұрын

Try the G5 dead meat 100 grain. Elk, mule deer, and javelina. Great blood, all animals down in under 10 seconds, and fly great. I’m sold.

@jebstuart1323 Жыл бұрын

You can find a broadhead that you can literally use for life and never switch. Mine has been Muzzy 100 gr. Caribou, black bear, white and muleys, elk,moose and a few brown bear (125 gr.) I have tried many types and a ton of expandables ever since the POS Pucketts blood trailer come out. My buddy gave me some Grim Reaper Hades to try. They fly exactly like my Muzzy's do and will accompany me this spring for brown bear.

@-lovefromnh Жыл бұрын

My Uncle is a fanatic when it comes to the 100gr Muzzy 3 blade as well. I really like the Grim Reaper Micro Hades myself. Good luck this year! Keep us posted on the spring hunt.

@coleschiefer752 Жыл бұрын

Agree with everything your running 100%, this is my buddy and I's favorite channel to watch, I don't know how not more people know about y'all. wanted to ask your opinion on the 125 grain magnus stinger broadheads (with bleeders). agree that iron wills are the way to go if they fit into your budget but would appreciate your input on them, have put down a few pigs with them and had good penetration. keep up the awesome content!

@rorynelson7548 Жыл бұрын

I've had great success with them grim reaper whitetail specials until last year. Bow Is tuned perfect, can't comprehend what the problem was but this year I didn't have good penetration at all. But that led me to completely overhauling my arrows as well. I one lunged 2 deer last year that I never found

@gmow99 Жыл бұрын

Why not just keep the tko and add 25 grains up front? Video idea you and Tim try shortening and lengthening draw length and seeing if you shoot better and compare feel.

@grappler84 Жыл бұрын

Great recap!! Great season! Congrats!

@mikemitchell9157 Жыл бұрын

Still a fan of the rage 3 blade chisel tip

@beforethehunt Жыл бұрын

I’d like to see a single bevel pros and cons video

@rescueridgeadventures7776 Жыл бұрын

Will the crew do a video on the strings being installed and initial impressions of each brand?

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

Yeah or a segment we’ll talk about it

@michaelbushey2787 Жыл бұрын

I use iron will single bevel as well. I haven't harvested with it yet. This past year in Kansas i didn't get shot at a mature buck. But looking forward to next year with them.

@vfonte218 Жыл бұрын

I shot a pope and young antelope with a rocket broadhead at 25 yards and he went 15 yards and got a pass thru....I had total confidence in that head!

@MrAPCProductions Жыл бұрын

Recommendations for testing. Cutthroat broadheads and aae WAV vanes, ALSO as an aside, it would be great content for each of you to buy a really cheap set of aluminum xx75 camo hunters or some easton gamegetters, I think each of them are $32-39 a dozen.

@jasonbourgeois8363 Жыл бұрын

Awesome season Dan! Question on the setup. What was the total system you used up front /plus grains? As in what Grain Ironwill? What insert? collar? Thx so much for all the content! Obsessed. #ABT

@jayv7933 Жыл бұрын

Great work dann!

@ep3389 Жыл бұрын

Iron will also has lifetime guarantee if they break, obviously if you lose them there lost but if they bend or break they will replace them

@WesternWild509 Жыл бұрын

I'm starting to dive into tinkering, largely because of you and MFJJ videos, so thanks for the inspiration. I'd like to throw in another fixed, single bevel broadhead that I have loved: KUDUPOINTS! I'd love to see you guys give them a shot and review them. Made in USA and tough as nails.

@TheWVgoodguy22 Жыл бұрын

Excellent after season review video of your season last year and the different broadhead combinations you used depending on what hunt you went on. The breakdown of the terminal performance on real live game and meat 🍖 and bone 🦴 is important to experience. You can drop dimes on foam all day in the 10 and 12 ring, but if the arrow doesn’t perform and kill game and they fall down in a reasonable distance it doesn’t matter. I switched to the Victory ✌🏻 RIP TKOs in 300 spine with the DCA Custom Arrow Super Sabre vanes mostly because of your recommendation and they fly great at around 475 grain with lighted nock and 100 grain G5 Montec M3s. Sadly I didn’t get to try them on any whitetail 🦌 no matter how hard I tried. I dare you to have a bow setup for using those Ranch Fairy 600 grain arrows Troy sent you and actually go hunting with them and test them on either a bear 🐻, elk or at least a mountain 🏔️ buck whitetail. 🦌 Congratulations on that by the way along with the rest of the great tasty 😋 animals.

@nicolasmora5395 Жыл бұрын

I am planning on switching to the rip tko this year instead of the axis. Might be the only real change I make this year.

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

ABT

@nicolasmora5395 Жыл бұрын

@@ElkShape ABT is expensive. That’s why we watch you guys!! Haha

@ladouxcrew Жыл бұрын

Would you say that the grim reapers are loud in your experience? I have noticed that with my setups they seem much louder then a full fixed blade. Am I doing something wrong perhaps?

@brpnw4r94 Жыл бұрын

ABT! My bank account proves it.

@randythomasadventures 2 ай бұрын

It’s a shame that Dan and Tim couldn’t work it out and stay together. Dan, Tim, Josh, and Jake was the best. Dan is the spark plug that knows how to market and talk, Tim is a cinematic genius, Josh is just a cool dude that happens to be an archery wizard. The thing is IMO Josh needed Dan to really elevate his business and put him on the map, Dan needed Josh to boost his channel, Tim needed Dan to get his work out to the world, Dan needed Tim to balance and create. Bottom line is you all need each other and in a town the size of Spokane you all will be hard pressed to find better.

@richardcook7437 Жыл бұрын

How do I tell which way my broadheads are tracking out of my bow? You said you'll shoot either a right or left helical depending on which way your arrows track. I love the hunting videos, but I think I like these and the ABT videos most. Thanks for great content!!

@allenr6687 Жыл бұрын

Put mark on bareshaft by nock stand 4 feet from target shoot. If mark is to the right it clocks right if it’s to the left it clocks left….

@SoloCamXTOutdoors Жыл бұрын

One of your better videos. Sucked me right in with this one. Very intersting..

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

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@longdrawarcher4857 Жыл бұрын

Would really love to see you guys get into the trad archery.

@aarongoeppner413 Жыл бұрын

What’s yalls thoughts on the grim reaper pro series mechanicals? Pro shop I go to all the talk about is them!! They almost put me down for shooting a fixed head. They say throw them in the trash and get the grim reapers!!!

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

Whatever broadhead makes the most sense for the game you’re pursuing

@-lovefromnh Жыл бұрын

Those Micro Hades are sharp killers. I used the 125gr. Through and through, two steps and down.

@robertfazekas4607 Жыл бұрын

Super content as always!! When ABT and Elkshape t-shirt, stickers ect will be available for overseas buyers? Kind regards Robert

@timberg7377 Жыл бұрын

I've used flex fletch vain, for years. Quite vane. I see you going left, what are the benefits to that? Sorry for the stupid question. Lol

@dirtjunkie2749 Жыл бұрын

Have you guys shot the qad exodus swept broadheads in your testing? I've been really impressed with them, have taken 3 whitetail with them in the past year and 40 yards was the furthest one ran. Thank you for the content.

@klundin2000 Жыл бұрын

The Exodus full blade 125 grain is the broad head I used last fall. On a doe management hunt I shot 7 does with this broad head. Fantastic results. Like you, all the deer were down within 40 yards and 3 of them down around 15 to 20 yds. Tough broad head too!!!

@hunterdolanch8725 Жыл бұрын

I used the Exodus 100 full blade this year on a mature buck he went maybe 70 yards. Shot him at 12 yards right above the heart complete pass through didn't know he was shot. Ended up shooting him again when he ran out to 30 yards hit a limb and drilled him upper back knocking him to the ground he then got up and ran. I think the second shot got his adrenaline pumping, probably would of been better with only the first shot and he probably would of died at 30. Awesome broadhead flies great.

@wraystyle7116 Жыл бұрын

Awesome content guys great year Dan !! Don’t forget Tim you did awesome Too!!! If only u guys where closer I’d love to do a shoot with u guys ! Dan have u thought about travelling to hunt ? I.e different countries etc just a question that’s all , I’m sure 2023 will be epic guys good luck 🤞👌👍🏹

@EthanPageHunter Жыл бұрын

Heck of a year. 2 blade fixed is up matched on penetration without a doubt. I had full pass through on all but one deer this season BUT blood is not real impressive on two blade. I’m switching to Cutthroat 3 blade this season. I’ll sacrifice a little penetration for better blood. Great video.

@naturalstatehunter5591 Жыл бұрын

Have you all tried the Easton bully vanes? Basically a blazer vane but stiffer, they are supposed to be quieter than a blazer. I am going to try the TAC vanes max helical and see if they’ll stick. Trying to find a lighter weight option than the max stealths

@chengsterboi07 Жыл бұрын

What are your guys thoughts about the daysix evo broadhead? It is similar to the ironwills but have a concave blade. I am interested on the day6 evo because it is a little more affordable

@haroldbleemel8537 Жыл бұрын

How does the draw length affect arrow energy/speed? Is the longer your draw length (everything else being the same) increase/decrease/or no affect on the energy/speed?

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

More draw length = more speed.. draw length is a life hack for archery

@-lovefromnh Жыл бұрын

Tim, you forgot the turkey during the recap. Dan, did you eat the turkey for Thanksgiving? Have you guys looked into Tooth of the Arrow broadheads? I have had really good luck with the 125gr XLs.

@North_to_south_outdoors Жыл бұрын

I highly recommend at least testing the Victory RIP SS. I ‘d even give you a set to try. You’ll be impressed.

@seanlincicome7328 Жыл бұрын

Great video, really dig this format. One question what thorn broadhead was used on the turkey? I have seen some of their stuff on the inter-web and thought it looked kind of gimmicky. What is your overall impression of their stuff quality and durability wise?

@justintorres08 Жыл бұрын

Can you comment on your component used. We’re all arrows built with Iron will hit inserts and impact collars and swapped broad heads or were the grim reapers used with different inserts and components?

@stick__shooter Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be blaming the broadhead for that antelope shot. You said yourself you shot too far forward. One lung with the Iron Will wouldn't have done as much damage as that Fatal Steel did with the same shot placement. Maybe you'd get an exit, but I don't see the end result being different. Shooting further back on the hard quartered away shot would be devastating with the Reaper. I shot a whitetail doe with a TOTA 1" solid, 9 yard shot from my saddle, double lung pass through, no blood at all until where she crashed 35 yards away. I shot a spike with a Grim Reaper Pro 1-3/8 mech, quartered away, 46 yard shot from the ground, double lung stopped by offside shoulder, but looked like a slasher film blood trail even with just one hole. He made it 125 yards. When I butchered him the wound channel was unreal.

@zebNwest Жыл бұрын

Great video! Been waiting for something like this from you. Are you counting out the vector arrows? Very curious on your thoughts of the zmr

@jonnyb4322 Жыл бұрын

Elk fit….white tail fit….and now turkey fit….I’m definitely turkey fit 😂

@colbykinney5633 Жыл бұрын

Magnus makes a awesome broadhead with a lifetime guarantee 100% American made also .

@groundrootsoutdoors627 Жыл бұрын

Hey Victory came out with the RIP SS if you want a heavier setup

@pwprochazka Жыл бұрын

that is a LOT of meat. I don't know if I could get through all of that.

@Pstratis541 Жыл бұрын

Great video Guys! Dan what’s your thoughts of the axis 4mm match grades with 125 Qad exodus (OG not slanted) with the max stealth’s?

@drakdds Жыл бұрын

@elkshape I was curious if you shot your elk hunting set up through the chronograph?

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

Couple vids last year we shot through chronos.. high 280s from memory

@Gibbs-Bijan-moon Жыл бұрын

Please check out the canyon pounder by option archery , it is awesome and right up your alley

@spirofourniotis237 Жыл бұрын

aae hybrid hp. similar broad-head steer as max hunters, but lighter and way quieter.

@bidenyouabitch7425 Жыл бұрын

Have you looked at Sirius Archery arrow's at all. Also have you ever heard of APA bows ?

@jeffreylagrua9962 Жыл бұрын

Great year Dan!

@kylebailey8498 Жыл бұрын

I use dans experience to make choices about my setups all the time I wanna be just like Him when I grow up

@MrBanolicious Жыл бұрын

What did your arrow weigh for the pronghorn? I bought a dozen xv’s thinking about using them for this season.

@coleasinas2570 Жыл бұрын

Is there any animal in North America you wouldn’t trust a grim reaper micro hadess 125 to kill??? Thinking that will be my new bear and whitetail Broadhead !

@ElkShape Жыл бұрын

It’s a great one

@phatkawsadventures7975 Жыл бұрын

Good stuff guys! I liked 'the breakdown' of the shots and the performance of Dan's broadhead/arrow combinations. I went through a handful of years shooting expandable broadheads and I can really only remember ONE freaking doe that I had a pass through with them. I'm a short draw length too (26") and I believe they rob waayyy too much energy from an arrow for midgets like him and I to use on big game animals... 🤫